ZOS I will pay you $30+ to change my RACE

akray21

I will pay a good amount to change my race in ESO.

Arguments against race change:

1. "It would be lore breaking" - Who cares, don't do it yourself. You will never know that I changed my race because you don't play with me. It will only affect you if someone you play with changes race, and most of the time people that care that much about lore play with like minded people so no harm...
2. "...but you can just re-roll a new character". - Not wasting my 400 hours that I have put into this game to get another character of the same class to max level. My time is worth way more than my money.
3. "People would just change race every time ZOS makes an update for the FotM build" - Not if they charge $30+...
4. "Racial passives are not that important" - End game content would disagree. My wood elf NB healer gets no bonus from his racials. Why does he have to suffer because I thought I would be a DPS, but my group decided that they didn't want to have a healer so I had to step in?

ZOS... $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Bc1151

akray21 wrote: »

I will pay a good amount to change my race in ESO.

Arguments against race change:

1. "It would be lore breaking" - Who cares, don't do it yourself. You will never know that I changed my race because you don't play with me. It will only affect you if someone you play with changes race, and most of the time people that care that much about lore play with like minded people so no harm...
2. "...but you can just re-roll a new character". - Not wasting my 400 hours that I have put into this game to get another character of the same class to max level. My time is worth way more than my money.
3. "People would just change race every time ZOS makes an update for the FotM build" - Not if they charge $30+...
4. "Racial passives are not that important" - End game content would disagree. My wood elf NB healer gets no bonus from his racials. Why does he have to suffer because I thought I would be a DPS, but my group decided that they didn't want to have a healer so I had to step in?

ZOS... $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

You should just re-roll. There is no way ZOS will even consider this.
Analyzing your points:
1. Yes, it would be lore breaking. And one of the main reasons I love ESO is because of their amazing deep lore, that has not been broken in the way you describe for decades.
2. Every one else has to! Plus ES is about the journey, not the end game.
3. 30$ plus is not that much. Most people have jobs, and can easily cash out 30 bucks. You are just limiting the age range.
4. Yeah, they are important. But they are the only reason to change your race in my opinion. the passives are helpful, but in all sincerity for a while as a joke i was a stam build dps tank high elf sorc. Yeah it was a joke but I did fine without them.

Basically, I can understand your anguish. But there is no way it will happen for money, if you're lucky it might be a in game one time quest. Either way, don't get your hopes up.

StaticWax

I bid $32.50.

Yuuuuuuup!

Sylvyr

Here this will get them to do it:

@ZOS if you implement race change for money I will get very upset because I already recreated toons with a different race.

(Now they will do it just to tick me off )

JoseDelgadoCub17_ESO

lol how is getting a race change lore breaking... i swear ESO has attracted a ton of dinosaurs that haven't played an MMO in a decade.

people that think xp pots are pay to win.
people that are hardcore against dueling
people that are hardcore against chat bubbles

and etc... ZOS options that have become staple in the genre shouldn't hold you back, ignore the complaints from people that have only played one MMO and literally know nothing about the MMO market.

Exstazik

v14 ~108 hours.30$ way too cheap for race change

akray21

StaticWax wrote: »

I bid $32.50.

Yuuuuuuup!

I bid $40!

Spangla

It should be a free race change.

You can't remove Skills and change racial passives without offering this.

Massive bs bs bs bs bs

Also, Races should be vaguely balanced - they are not even close to balanced.

Obscure

It's a replay driver that I don't think ZOS will want to remove from the game.

It's a matter of "if we charge $30 to change the race on any character to include a Max level character, how much revenue does that gain us in the short term and how does it effect revenue on the long term?"

Short term they'd see a revenue spike, but long term they'd see less replay, higher player attrition, and perhaps even enough to offset the short term revenue spike resulting in a 0 net gain. Who is likely to keep flowing capital into the business? Someone who is Maxed out and just changes his race for a flat fee, or someone who rerolls a new race and replays to get a Max character again? Tough question to field, but I have no doubts it's the kind of conversation these ZOS employees sit down in long meetings to discuss.

Leave it in the hands of the pros. I wouldn't tell a surgeon how to do his job, and I wouldn't expect him to tell me how to do my job, and I apply the same reasoning to any career professional that has done what they do for years and become proficient enough in the practice to get paid to do it.

samiz1

Is there someone from ZOS who can inform as about RACE CHANGE please

IcyDeadPeople

@akray21 curious to know which race you want to change from/to

Sallington

JoseDelgadoCub17_ESO wrote: »

lol how is getting a race change lore breaking... i swear ESO has attracted a ton of dinosaurs that haven't played an MMO in a decade.

people that think xp pots are pay to win.
people that are hardcore against dueling
people that are hardcore against chat bubbles

and etc... ZOS options that have become staple in the genre shouldn't hold you back, ignore the complaints from people that have only played one MMO and literally know nothing about the MMO market.

These post is so infuriating, I don't even know where to start to respond.

"It's what companies are selling us now, so it's good" is the most ignorant thing I've read in a while.

And to say it in such a smug way...

Robbmrp

ZOS is looking to make money. That's the whole point in the Crown Store. Why would selling Race changes be bad for the game? If someone isn't happy with their current race they shouldn't have to reroll if they don't want to. Some people have invested a lot of time into their characters and do not like to play multiple ones. ZOS has changed things on the passives for a lot of races which was why some people even chose them. Nothing wrong with being able to change ones race if people are willing to pay to do so. This should be in the Crown store to give people an option for it. It's a lot more marketable IMO than a pet, mount skin or costume.....

patrykplawskib16_ESO

id like a race change im stuck with a *** nord race and nords are one of the most garbage races next to argonian of course. Also enough with this RP bullcrap and lore breaking stuff the real players play end game content and wanna be competitive not sit in a diner and talk like freaks. also @Obscure they wont lose out on revenue cause the games free to play anyways even if a person re-rolled zos is still not making revenue cause they can choose to play for free. If they implement a race change with a fee they would become rich with each update things need to change including races so they would make allot. Also I do a magika dps build so i get *** with nord.

AngryNord

FINALLY a thread about race change. I can't believe that we haven't had one single thread about this for the almost full year this game's been out...

Gidorick

I hope they add it just so I never have to see one of these threads again.

AngryNord

Robbmrp wrote: »

ZOS is looking to make money. That's the whole point in the Crown Store. Why would selling Race changes be bad for the game?

Because a week (at most) after free race change was introduced, we'd start to see "Tank wanted for Xxxxxxxx, Imperial DK only!" or "Healer wanted for Xxxxxxxxxxxxxx, Breton Templar only!" in zone and guild chat, and God only knows elitism is ruining this game enough as it is already.

IcyDeadPeople

patrykplawskib16_ESO wrote: »

id like a race change im stuck with a *** nord race and nords are one of the most garbage races next to argonian of course.

Nords can be quite deadly

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0wwQ8XWuVo

wrlifeboil

$25-$30 or 2,500-3,000 crowns equivalent should be for gender changes.

ZOS should charge 5,000 crowns for race changes. 7,500-10,000 crowns for class changes. It would deter players from making too frequent flavor of the week changes. Otherwise, you can always just level another VR14 in the race/class you want.

While we are on game services, 1,000 crowns for name changes, 1,000-1,500 crowns for every additional character slot over the eight given by default.

AngryNord

patrykplawskib16_ESO wrote: »

nords are one of the most garbage races

*starts sharpening axe*

AltusVenifus

I'm not sure why any cares if he changes his race. It has zero effect on your character.

Obscure

patrykplawskib16_ESO wrote: »

...also @Obscure they wont lose out on revenue cause the games free to play anyways even if a person re-rolled zos is still not making revenue cause they can choose to play for free. If they implement a race change with a fee they would become rich with each update things need to change including races so they would make allot. Also I do a magika dps build so i get *** with nord.

First, ESO is not free to play. It's a game just like any other game that sells at retail. Call of Duty is not a free to play game, Shadow of Mordor is not a free to play game, and Elder Scrolls Online is not a free to play game.

Second, the issue is vastly more complex than you're giving it credit. There are factually consequential effects on revenue with a variety of variables involved you are ignoring to support your subjective opinion. Every player will do the exact same thing: apply bias in their decision to purchase something. To ignore the fact that this bias is not universal is, and this is not targeted at you nor intended to offend, delusional; a false belief despite strong evidence against it. Evidence is present simply in our discourse as you and I clearly use significantly different logic to motivate our subjective bias.

Third, unless you are a seasoned professional in the industry, I'm not inclined to give credence to your claim that they "won't lose out on revenue". Nothing personal, but unless you were a doctor I also wouldn't give credence to any medical claims you'd make, or unless you were an electrician would I give any credence to your electrical claims. There's people who have, will, and continue to analyse these questions to make choices in regard to the financial ramifications of given actions.

I'm comfortable with " I don't know " for an answer, but as I said, based on my subjective bias, I doubt they'd do so. Opinions don't set precedents, facts do, and neither of us have anything but opinions.

wrlifeboil

AltusVenifus wrote: »

I'm not sure why any cares if he changes his race. It has zero effect on your character.

In mmos, people are willing to pay for cosmetic, non-combat items. Mounts, pets, costumes. Sound familiar?

Also, the racial passives might actually affect gameplay.

Joy_Division

A lot of this would go away if they just made the races reasonably balanced.

Obscure

Joy_Division wrote: »

A lot of this would go away if they just made the races reasonably balanced.

Once upon a time, races had racial ultimates exclusive to them. To be fair, they've certainly made an effort to make them balanced. Developers have no control over how the meta game forms, and thus can't balance classes in line with a non-static ever changing meta game over which they have no control. Nerf or Buff one thing and the entire meta game can shift to something completely unpredicted.

"Balance" is fundamentally unachievable. What's considered the best today, may be considered garbage after the next patch.

Rune_Relic

Whats wrong is its the thin end of a wedge.
1st Race
2nd Class
3rd Skill trees

All that will happen is people will pay to become FOTM and once you open the door you wont hold back the flood of Pay2Win people using IWIN builds.
I for one have no intention of facing 99% clones in cyrodiil nor having content nerfed because everyone is rocking the latest OP build loaded with bugs and exploits that flies through content.

You know people found Templars jesus beam could be exploited to full potential in PTS..so everyone suddenlt started rocking Templars. Balanced much ? of course....that's why they changed build right ?

So YES it does impact me and affect me and everyone else.

Iduyenn

That is p2w !!!!!!!!

akray21

IcyDeadPeople wrote: »

@akray21 curious to know which race you want to change from/to

I'm a Bsomer and would like to be Breton or Altmer for the 10% Magicka (that bonus is OP BTW).

JoseDelgadoCub17_ESO

Obscure wrote: »

It's a replay driver that I don't think ZOS will want to remove from the game.

It's a matter of "if we charge $30 to change the race on any character to include a Max level character, how much revenue does that gain us in the short term and how does it effect revenue on the long term?"

Short term they'd see a revenue spike, but long term they'd see less replay, higher player attrition, and perhaps even enough to offset the short term revenue spike resulting in a 0 net gain. Who is likely to keep flowing capital into the business? Someone who is Maxed out and just changes his race for a flat fee, or someone who rerolls a new race and replays to get a Max character again? Tough question to field, but I have no doubts it's the kind of conversation these ZOS employees sit down in long meetings to discuss.

Leave it in the hands of the pros. I wouldn't tell a surgeon how to do his job, and I wouldn't expect him to tell me how to do my job, and I apply the same reasoning to any career professional that has done what they do for years and become proficient enough in the practice to get paid to do it.

most of WoW shop sales are from services not mounts/pets
which is funny because they even sale near level cap toons.

Robbmrp

AngryNord wrote: »

Robbmrp wrote: »

ZOS is looking to make money. That's the whole point in the Crown Store. Why would selling Race changes be bad for the game?

Because a week (at most) after free race change was introduced, we'd start to see "Tank wanted for Xxxxxxxx, Imperial DK only!" or "Healer wanted for Xxxxxxxxxxxxxx, Breton Templar only!" in zone and guild chat, and God only knows elitism is ruining this game enough as it is already.

Sorry but allowing someone a change of race isn't going to change the fact that people already look for specific Tanks, Healers or DPS in the game. You have to be a V14 or have X amount of DPS or a Templar Healer or blah blah blah. They need to just get a group with a tank, 2 dps and a healer and go try a dungoen. Yet for trials, they only believe they will succeed if they have those exact requirements.

akray21

Obscure wrote: »

It's a replay driver that I don't think ZOS will want to remove from the game.

It's a matter of "if we charge $30 to change the race on any character to include a Max level character, how much revenue does that gain us in the short term and how does it effect revenue on the long term?"

Short term they'd see a revenue spike, but long term they'd see less replay, higher player attrition, and perhaps even enough to offset the short term revenue spike resulting in a 0 net gain. Who is likely to keep flowing capital into the business? Someone who is Maxed out and just changes his race for a flat fee, or someone who rerolls a new race and replays to get a Max character again? Tough question to field, but I have no doubts it's the kind of conversation these ZOS employees sit down in long meetings to discuss.

Leave it in the hands of the pros. I wouldn't tell a surgeon how to do his job, and I wouldn't expect him to tell me how to do my job, and I apply the same reasoning to any career professional that has done what they do for years and become proficient enough in the practice to get paid to do it.

I am playing the game less because I can't be the race I want to be. I'm not about to grind 250+ hours to get VR14 for the 10% more magicka. I would rather "grind" and hour an hour and a half at work and pay for it. Work is a grind 5 days per week, I don't want to add hundreds of hours to my normal weekly grind.