Nestor wrote: »

Erock25 wrote: »

It makes way more sense to me to put a small amount of time into making a post for something that you care about compared to you putting time researching my previous posts to post something that you are against.

I spent 10 seconds looking up your other threads. I did this while waiting for a bandwidth graph to populate for a report I am doing at work.

This is not an insult to me. Your the one who has only played this game for 40 hours because you did not like your character choice. When you have 7 other slots open. You say you have waited for a year for this change? To preserve a character that you have only spent 40 hours on?

Your post isn't making much sense. Who said I stopped playing only because I didn't like my race choice? My 8 week old child, previously pregnant wife, and new home might have something to say to you. Also if you notice i said 40 hours SINCE july. It is probably more like 40 hours since September since that is when I stopped playing, but my Khajit Sorc has well over 30 days /played.

Also, news flash to you but I also made all of my posts from work while background tasks are running. Unfortunately my work computer can not run ESO or maybe I would have re-rolled.

The difference between you and I is that I don't give a crap about what someone else wants and won't go out of my way to call them out on something that has literally ZERO effect on me. It appears that you are that type of person though. How did you get that way?

Erock25 wrote: »

The difference between you and I is that I don't give a crap about what someone else wants and won't go out of my way to call them out on something that has literally ZERO effect on me. It appears that you are that type of person though. How did you get that way?

I don't know, maybe its watching someone whine for a year about something to be fixed for them when they could have just fixed it themselves.

Nestor wrote: »

Erock25 wrote: »

The difference between you and I is that I don't give a crap about what someone else wants and won't go out of my way to call them out on something that has literally ZERO effect on me. It appears that you are that type of person though. How did you get that way?

I don't know, maybe its watching someone whine for a year about something to be fixed for them when they could have just fixed it themselves.

I'm honored that my posts have been affecting your psyche for a year now.

Obscure wrote: »

JoseDelgadoCub17_ESO wrote: »

Obscure wrote: »

JoseDelgadoCub17_ESO wrote: »

Obscure wrote: »

It's a replay driver that I don't think ZOS will want to remove from the game.

It's a matter of "if we charge $30 to change the race on any character to include a Max level character, how much revenue does that gain us in the short term and how does it effect revenue on the long term?"

Short term they'd see a revenue spike, but long term they'd see less replay, higher player attrition, and perhaps even enough to offset the short term revenue spike resulting in a 0 net gain. Who is likely to keep flowing capital into the business? Someone who is Maxed out and just changes his race for a flat fee, or someone who rerolls a new race and replays to get a Max character again? Tough question to field, but I have no doubts it's the kind of conversation these ZOS employees sit down in long meetings to discuss.

Leave it in the hands of the pros. I wouldn't tell a surgeon how to do his job, and I wouldn't expect him to tell me how to do my job, and I apply the same reasoning to any career professional that has done what they do for years and become proficient enough in the practice to get paid to do it.

most of WoW shop sales are from services not mounts/pets
which is funny because they even sale near level cap toons.

...and you have the earnings reports to support that claim? Perhaps a statement from Blizzard stating this is the case?

akray21 wrote: »

Obscure wrote: »

It's a replay driver that I don't think ZOS will want to remove from the game.

It's a matter of "if we charge $30 to change the race on any character to include a Max level character, how much revenue does that gain us in the short term and how does it effect revenue on the long term?"

Short term they'd see a revenue spike, but long term they'd see less replay, higher player attrition, and perhaps even enough to offset the short term revenue spike resulting in a 0 net gain. Who is likely to keep flowing capital into the business? Someone who is Maxed out and just changes his race for a flat fee, or someone who rerolls a new race and replays to get a Max character again? Tough question to field, but I have no doubts it's the kind of conversation these ZOS employees sit down in long meetings to discuss.

Leave it in the hands of the pros. I wouldn't tell a surgeon how to do his job, and I wouldn't expect him to tell me how to do my job, and I apply the same reasoning to any career professional that has done what they do for years and become proficient enough in the practice to get paid to do it.

I am playing the game less because I can't be the race I want to be. I'm not about to grind 250+ hours to get VR14 for the 10% more magicka. I would rather "grind" and hour an hour and a half at work and pay for it. Work is a grind 5 days per week, I don't want to add hundreds of hours to my normal weekly grind.

Subjective. I work in excess of 60 hours a week, and I refuse to grind in any game, ESO included. If it's not fun, I literally don't have time for that bull***. Market is flooded with awesome games and I'll be damned if I'm going to burn my free time doing anything less than having fun gaming. This is subjective. Many would fundamentally disagree with me, but they're likely to busy grinding right now to comment.

you can look up the numbers but it's pretty obvious.

back in thunderlord a lot of top guilds race changed to troll.

for WoD a lot of PvP players faction changed to alliance ( no horde player on top 5 pages)

They make tons of money off it and it's expensive

I have looked up the numbers, and it's not itemised in their earnings reports. It's certainly anything but obvious.

What is obvious is the ocean of failed games that attempted to clone WoW's model. Many try, and they ALL fail. WoW is a freak of nature, a one of a kind, lightening in a bottle, flash in the pan game. To copy WoW should be a red flag for any studio that isn't Activision/Blizzard.

what do you mean fail?? how many MMO's have shut down there servers in the post

Thymos wrote: »

JoseDelgadoCub17_ESO wrote: »

also all of complaining saying classes will be next are just proving my point how y'all literally know nothing about MMO's

Lots of MMO offer race/sex changes.

literally none of them offer class changes.

Since you are offering it as a point, could you name "lots" of these MMOs. Hopefully they are quality MMOs, and that their races aren't just purely cosmetic.

GW2
WoW
Terra
Swtor
Neverwinter
Rift
FFXIV

the list goes on its a pretty staple feature to the genre like name changes.


Also 3 of those games are in the top 3 MMO list atm (WoW FFXIV abdand GW2) just saying for the guy that thinks copying WoW leads to "failure".
It's not copying WoW it's adding a basic feature that is pretty much staple to the MMO market currently.

If they did add this, I'd be laughing a month later when they rebalanced the passives and people are freaking out and demanding a refund.


Also, lol at the people saying it wouldn't be lore breaking. The wabbajack proves nothing. Sure, you can zap someone with the wabbajack and they become a chicken, but at that point they're just a chicken, not a chicken with the skills and abilities of their previous form. Alternatively we get turned into other people during some quests, but we're still ourselves, it's a mere magical disguise, not a complete transformation.

If you want to prove your point, show me some examples of beings in the Elder Scrolls world who have specifically turned into other races permanently, even better if you can find an example where they kept the skill and ability of their previous form. But, who knows, maybe I do have a brain tumor. LOL

badmojo wrote: »

If they did add this, I'd be laughing a month later when they rebalanced the passives and people are freaking out and demanding a refund.

Not only would THIS happen but ZOS could be tempted to regularly mess with the racial passives to "encourage" people to change race.

Iluvrien wrote: »

deepseamk20b14_ESO wrote: »

If you people want "lore friendly" all ZoS would have to do is let you buy a race change scroll in the crown store. Once you claim the item in game you start a quest on behalf of one of the deadric gods. At the completion of the quest you are rewarded with the ability to change your race. They are gods and have it easily in their power to do so. If you think differently you should go to a doctor and get an MRI to look for the tumor growing in your brain.

I think my irony meter just exploded. Are you suggesting that there are no lore effects to the process because it can be carried out by daedric gods because they are gods?

Um, the Daedric Princes aren't gods. That is one of the defining features of their nature. It is one of the reasons they aren't referred to as Aedra or members of the Divines.

Yes, they are powerful. Yes, they might even e able to bring about the race change that people are still calling for but apart from the Reachmen (who can't really be considered an authority on anything except from senseless slaughter) they are not considered gods. They are, in fact, contrasted with the gods.

lol Aedra are gods and Daedra are not? I can't stand this blashphemy.

The Daedra are more powerful the then Aedra. The Aedra lost their power when they used their power to create Mundus and Aedra have no active ability to influence the world anymore. All of their power is pre-stored and have to be activated by a third party, such as in the Amulet of Kings.

Before the removal of soft caps, race choices made little to no difference, if you were smart about stat allocation and gear. Because of this, some people just picked whatever race looked coolest to them, and then spent hundreds of hours developing that character. Now ZOS go and decide to change a mechanic of the game, in a way that makes that players earlier racial choice seem like a bad one. They can either shrug it off, roll a new character and spend hundreds of hours developing it in hopes that its racial abilities don't' some day change, or ask for ZOS to add the option to change your race to the game and wait in hopes that they some day do.

Lore breaking? In Tamriel weirder things have happened, than someone, somehow changing their race. If lore breaking is the big concern here, I'm sure they will find a way to explain it. Also, if we're going to be nit picky about this, aren't the changes to racial abilities kind of lore breaking? How did an entire race lose one ability and gain another over night, in place of it?

FotM, why is this anyone's concern? Who care if some players change their race once a month how will it affect you? If you don't want to use it, don't; I won't. Is someone changing their race according to the newest trend going to be detrimental to their success?

For those of you worried that race change will eventually lead to... well this...

Rune_Relic wrote: »

Whats wrong is its the thin end of a wedge.
1st Race
2nd Class
3rd Skill trees

All that will happen is people will pay to become FOTM and once you open the door you wont hold back the flood of Pay2Win people using IWIN builds.
I for one have no intention of facing 99% clones in cyrodiil nor having content nerfed because everyone is rocking the latest OP build loaded with bugs and exploits that flies through content.

You know people found Templars jesus beam could be exploited to full potential in PTS..so everyone suddenlt started rocking Templars. Balanced much ? of course....that's why they changed build right ?

So YES it does impact me and affect me and everyone else.

Think maybe you're over reacting a little bit?
Reminds me of my 5th grade teacher (back in the 90's) who saw me scribbling on the desk and basically told me that scribbling on the desk lead to hard drugs and murder.


TL;DR:

AltusVenifus wrote: »

I'm not sure why any cares if he changes his race. It has zero effect on your character.

Ley wrote: »

FotM, why is this anyone's concern? Who care if some players change their race once a month how will it affect you? If you don't want to use it, don't; I won't. Is someone changing their race according to the newest trend going to be detrimental to their success?

For the same reason that has been given several times before. Sometimes even by me...

...because of grouping. As the selection of a character race is, at the moment, immutable there has to be a certain level of pragmatism with regards to putting together a group (especially in PUGs) and what the races/roles for the characters in that group need to be. As such the approach to grouping has to have a degree of inclusivity built into it.

As soon as race change becomes an option this required pragmatism disappears. Why? Because a group leader can expect people to have already changed their race to fit their class/role. A group leader can (and will) be exclusive because, of course, anyone saying "well this is the race I like" will get hit with the "you're just butthurt because people are criticising your build" or "I don't have time for you to waste by being sub-optimal". We have already seen responses such as this on the forums, why would they suddenly disappear from the game?

I wouldn't pay more than 2000 crowns for a race change.

Racials are not the game changer. It's how you play your character.

I have a v14 Orc Sorcerer (Yeah i know). Whatever, I get NOTHING magicka based, but I can still kick some major ass in pvp and pve. And i made him as jacked up as possible with sleeve tattoos to fool the hell out of you.....

Ok maybe it doesnt.....yea id pay for a race/appearance change.

I'll pay them $30 to balance the racial abilities. I chose Argonian for the potion/nb synergy. That one little niche the Argonians had got completely obliterated. The balance is just not there at all. I wish I knew what they were thinking. There's a certain amount of racist favoritism going on.

At the very least, I wish they'd let us pick one racial passive, call it their birth sign. It's stupid that they kind of pigeonhole the races.

KontrolledKhaos wrote: »

I love how people like the OP keep giving ZOS more ideas on how to nickle and dime us.

Yes, paid race change is such a revolutionary concept, isn't it?

Except that people have been asking for a paid race change for several months now.

...and yet even with all these hints to ZOS as to how whey can make more money off of certain users, ZOS still has not got a clue.

Abbon wrote: »

I would pay around $15 to change my race also. Dude some *** races such as imperial has +12 % HP and +12 STAMINA HOL$hit WTF man

That's so people pay the extra money for the Imperial edition. ESO is a business venture first and a game second.

Junkogen wrote: »

They don't care about lore. A dev once told me in an AMA on reddit that the games determine the lore, not the other way around.

I really really hope that this isn't the case, at least in not any direct-retcon type fashion.

Junkogen wrote: »

Also, if you're citing past games, birth signs were in previous games. It's not a new concept.

I wasn't citing past games to suggest that there weren't birthsigns, but citing them to show that the pigeonholing was already present too... especially with regards to abilities and resistances.

Iluvrien wrote: »

Junkogen wrote: »

They don't care about lore. A dev once told me in an AMA on reddit that the games determine the lore, not the other way around.

I really really hope that this isn't the case, at least in not any direct-retcon type fashion.

Junkogen wrote: »

Also, if you're citing past games, birth signs were in previous games. It's not a new concept.

I wasn't citing past games to suggest that there weren't birthsigns, but citing them to show that the pigeonholing was already present too... especially with regards to abilities and resistances.

Yeah, you're right. However, this game takes some big departures with certain races. For instance, Orcs had berserker in Skyrim and none of their racial abilities in ESO reflect that. Argonians are supposed to be masters of guerrilla warfare and none of their racials reflect that. In any event, they're not all that balanced given the class and overall game design. For example, Dunmers synch up incredibly well with dragonknights. Other races don't have that. It's just a little annoying.