Siege Damage Intended to hit for 24k?

daktary2001 · March 2015

It's about time siege damage is scaled up. You really expect to take a big flaming stone in dah face and brush it off ??? Huhuhu you funny. Bye bye vampire. You had your time.

Lhorion · March 2015

At least it is realistc! Yeeeeeea!

nothing2591 · March 2015

Just becasue death recap shows you 24k fire balista does not mean it hit you for 24000, it hit you for 12k and then the dot ticks from 12k aswell, same with radiant destruction and all other dots

TequilaFire · March 2015

If realistic how come the guy I am concentrating fighting on 2 feet from me doesn't get killed then?
Not a blood sucker for the record.

I am all for increased siege damage but as usual ZOS goes overboard.

ThyIronFist · March 2015

More tears!

Soulac · March 2015

Cry zergs, cry! Muhahahaha

Rune_Relic · March 2015

You deal with these the same way you dealt with forward camps.....find them burn them.
30+ people coming out of a camp do a lot more damage than a siege weapon.
L2P

root spam is a bug that has to be fixed though.

Weberda · March 2015

nothing2591 wrote: »

Just becasue death recap shows you 24k fire balista does not mean it hit you for 24000, it hit you for 12k and then the dot ticks from 12k aswell, same with radiant destruction and all other dots

A lot of people don't understand this and you're going to see countless posts with death recaps showing big siege damage. There are many ways to avoid it as listed way above this post. Last night we used zone chat to help people cope with it and most had a great time. We lost a lot of keeps but mainly that was due to being considerably outnumbered (as usual). At the end it was the lag that finally caused many to rage and quit, not the siege. And of course an AD group spamming healing springs etc. on the flags at Chal showing off what great skills they have..

Samadhi · March 2015

morf87 wrote: »

Took a nice 22k fire balista 1 shot( not a vamp) earlier, mayb it was my fault for not noticing the red circle while in the middle of a reasonable sized fight, also 1 shot many ppl with fire treb's. While an increase in siege damage was needed being able to 1 shot ppl seems a bit much, mayb seige should be changed to do a % of health ? to avoid the possibilities of being able to 1 shot ppl.

Got instant killed on my 19k hp build.

Went to Wayrest, respecced all my points into health, haven't gotten killed by siege again since.

Rune_Relic · March 2015

Weberda wrote: »

nothing2591 wrote: »

Just becasue death recap shows you 24k fire balista does not mean it hit you for 24000, it hit you for 12k and then the dot ticks from 12k aswell, same with radiant destruction and all other dots

A lot of people don't understand this and you're going to see countless posts with death recaps showing big siege damage. There are many ways to avoid it as listed way above this post. Last night we used zone chat to help people cope with it and most had a great time. We lost a lot of keeps but mainly that was due to being considerably outnumbered (as usual). At the end it was the lag that finally caused many to rage and quit, not the siege. And of course an AD group spamming healing springs etc. on the flags at Chal showing off what great skills they have..

Yep annoying....but its a strategy...it worked. Get some venom arrow interrupts going or drop fear on the flag ?

Olysja · March 2015

atm it seems you working on ''random changes'' only. dunno 1shot siege weapons? what about the pvp? we shoud rename it do siege vs siege svs. really, you need to play that game before make this kind of changes ruining totally the eso endgame.

ps: I've 24khp totally endgame full gold equip all maxed. so 1shotted is so sad by u.

Weberda · March 2015

Rune_Relic wrote: »

Weberda wrote: »

nothing2591 wrote: »

Just becasue death recap shows you 24k fire balista does not mean it hit you for 24000, it hit you for 12k and then the dot ticks from 12k aswell, same with radiant destruction and all other dots

A lot of people don't understand this and you're going to see countless posts with death recaps showing big siege damage. There are many ways to avoid it as listed way above this post. Last night we used zone chat to help people cope with it and most had a great time. We lost a lot of keeps but mainly that was due to being considerably outnumbered (as usual). At the end it was the lag that finally caused many to rage and quit, not the siege. And of course an AD group spamming healing springs etc. on the flags at Chal showing off what great skills they have..

Yep annoying....but its a strategy...it worked. Get some venom arrow interrupts going or drop fear on the flag ?

We tried but there just weren't enough of us left in the inner. My experience with the strategy is that it is best countered by having a great number of players in the area so when the server finally catches up the number of hits are in your favor. It's a pretty lousy way to determine the outcome.

However something else needs to be done about it. It went on for a good 5 minutes, I took almost no damage even though I was surrounded by AD, and I dropped two standards but don't know if they did any damage. The flags flipped and I walked out through the breach past a bunch of AD and jumped the wall. Of course I was finally killed by two DC gankers on my way to Arrius. Go figure.

Gravord · March 2015

And ofc it skipped PTS so was no option to see how they will break game. Finally game get some good patch with champ system and just after such bs.

Weberda · March 2015

Gravord wrote: »

And ofc it skipped PTS so was no option to see how they will break game. Finally game get some good patch with champ system and just after such bs.

It doesn't break the game. You may not like the changes and it may may make things difficult for you until you figure out how to adapt but it does not break the game. It makes it better.

Samadhi · March 2015

Yuke wrote: »

Might help:

First skill in the support line.

Actually slotted this skill again for the first time since Beta.
Feels pretty good to have it be actually worth considering again.
Hope my allies catch on faster than the enemy.

Hutuldur · March 2015

Siege weapons seemed ok after quick testing. Had to be a bit careful, but no real danger of instant kills.

I think ZOS got the numbers correct now.

kitsinni · March 2015

My biggest hit last night was 35k. I was one shot multiple times. Many people in my group were one shot. I don't think being a vampire is viable at all anymore.

What I noticed is anytime a fight started siege weapons popped out .. in the middle of a field .. siege weapon .. on a wall siege weapons .. see three guys in the distance pop out a ballista. They basically made one of the cheapest, least skilled weapons anyone can get the highest damage in the game. It does so much damage that it is worth pulling one out if you can get one shot off even if you leave it to decay .. i mean they cost what 450g and take no skill to use.

People love to yell stay out of the red but unless your a solo roamer or just want to sit back at a keep siege so far you can't do anything it isn't always possible. When every section of a keep is maxed with siege the entire battle fields becomes red circles.

glak · March 2015

nothing2591 wrote: »

Just becasue death recap shows you 24k fire balista does not mean it hit you for 24000, it hit you for 12k and then the dot ticks from 12k aswell, same with radiant destruction and all other dots

The death recap is summarizing each player activity but gets confusing beyond burst.

Death Recap could be changed to show dots vs burst vs channel and label as such. Show RD as a channel. Show half of fire ballista as a dot. Death Recap is supposed to be a learning tool.

Gravord · March 2015

Weberda wrote: »

Gravord wrote: »

And ofc it skipped PTS so was no option to see how they will break game. Finally game get some good patch with champ system and just after such bs.

It doesn't break the game. You may not like the changes and it may may make things difficult for you until you figure out how to adapt but it does not break the game. It makes it better.

Yes it does. Only baddie sitting his whole time in pvp on siege could disagree with that. Play with your fkin character skills, theres plenty of them.
And argument that it help less skilled or not so good geared players is silly. If they get cheap tool to 1 shot ppl, they wont try even improve their gaming skills thanks to that but sit on siege whole day long feeling proud.

kitsinni · March 2015

Right now the best way to fight is to anticipate where a battle will happen stay in stealth at the best siege spot and get your siege down first.

McDoogs · March 2015

I have burst stamina build, did 4 hours of constant pvp on thorn yesterday, I was only hit by siege once and that was because I wanted to see how hard it hit. It hit hard but it didnt come close to killing me, because I know how to purge.

L2P crybaby zergball noobs.

McDoogs · March 2015

Gravord wrote: »

Weberda wrote: »

Gravord wrote: »

And ofc it skipped PTS so was no option to see how they will break game. Finally game get some good patch with champ system and just after such bs.

It doesn't break the game. You may not like the changes and it may may make things difficult for you until you figure out how to adapt but it does not break the game. It makes it better.

Yes it does. Only baddie sitting his whole time in pvp on siege could disagree with that. Play with your fkin character skills, theres plenty of them.
And argument that it help less skilled or not so good geared players is silly. If they get cheap tool to 1 shot ppl, they wont try even improve their gaming skills thanks to that but sit on siege whole day long feeling proud.

Good, it's incredibly easy to flank siege equipment. Only a crown-train-zergball baddie could disagree with that.

kitsinni · March 2015

L2P is 10 years ago come up with some new forum warrior talk already.

Gravord · March 2015

McDoogs wrote: »

Gravord wrote: »

Weberda wrote: »

Gravord wrote: »

And ofc it skipped PTS so was no option to see how they will break game. Finally game get some good patch with champ system and just after such bs.

It doesn't break the game. You may not like the changes and it may may make things difficult for you until you figure out how to adapt but it does not break the game. It makes it better.

Yes it does. Only baddie sitting his whole time in pvp on siege could disagree with that. Play with your fkin character skills, theres plenty of them.
And argument that it help less skilled or not so good geared players is silly. If they get cheap tool to 1 shot ppl, they wont try even improve their gaming skills thanks to that but sit on siege whole day long feeling proud.

Good, it's incredibly easy to flank siege equipment. Only a crown-train-zergball baddie could disagree with that.

Yeah, super easy to flank if you are engaged in combat and single aproaching person can pull balista out of his ass in 1 second and shot 20k+ while you are fighting root spam.

Olysja · March 2015

well many of us, like gravord or me playing solo pvp 16h/day and it's a totally *** that while i'm killing some1 i recive a 30k instadeath. i repeat, i've atm the best ingamequip not missing anything. now i removed vampirism but still too much dmg.

Soulac · March 2015

Olysja wrote: »

well many of us, like gravord or me playing solo pvp 16h/day and it's a totally *** that while i'm killing some1 i recive a 30k instadeath. i repeat, i've atm the best ingamequip not missing anything. now i removed vampirism but still too much dmg.

PvP is not always about equip..
You can block or dodge the siege dmg, this shouldn't be a problem for you, since you run a Stamina Build.

I think many here need some "don't stand in red circle" - training.

Gravord · March 2015

Soulac wrote: »

Olysja wrote: »

well many of us, like gravord or me playing solo pvp 16h/day and it's a totally *** that while i'm killing some1 i recive a 30k instadeath. i repeat, i've atm the best ingamequip not missing anything. now i removed vampirism but still too much dmg.

PvP is not always about equip..
You can block or dodge the siege dmg, this shouldn't be a problem for you, since you run a Stamina Build.

I think many here need some "don't stand in red circle" - training.

You really dont get it...
Again, like for dummy: You are already fighting with somebody, can be good fight can be nothing special but its in progress. Baddie aproaching, seeing you fighting. He pulls out balista out of his ass in 1 second. Aim, fire. While you are absorbed in combat you receive 20k+ hit. Pure bs.
Either rollback this dmg or increase deployment times so it wont be spammed in every combat.

Soulac · March 2015

Gravord wrote: »

Soulac wrote: »

Olysja wrote: »

well many of us, like gravord or me playing solo pvp 16h/day and it's a totally *** that while i'm killing some1 i recive a 30k instadeath. i repeat, i've atm the best ingamequip not missing anything. now i removed vampirism but still too much dmg.

PvP is not always about equip..
You can block or dodge the siege dmg, this shouldn't be a problem for you, since you run a Stamina Build.

I think many here need some "don't stand in red circle" - training.

You really dont get it...
Again, like for dummy: You are already fighting with somebody, can be good fight can be nothing special but its in progress. Baddie aproaching, seeing you fighting. He pulls out balista out of his ass in 1 second. Aim, fire. While you are absorbed in combat you receive 20k+ hit. Pure bs.
Either rollback this dmg or increase deployment times so it wont be spammed in every combat.

You still see a circle or you hear the sound of it.
Block or dodge and you don't receive a 20k+ hit.
Maybe you don't get it.

If he watch your fight and place a siege he could also just join the fight.
I think it's easier to fight a player and a scrub with his siege than two players.

Deal with it.

kitsinni · March 2015

If siege is going to be this damaging you really shouldn't be able to buy a backpack full with half an hour of farming gold and run around with 50 that you can deploy in seconds. Some people were arguing that the damage is more "realistic" of siege equipment .. because having 50 trebuchet in one persons backpack running full speed on a horse is even in the realm of realistic.

IMO they should make siege damage a lot less, make it so both sides are hit with siege damage .. again really realistic that you drop a boulder on fire on my head and I die instantly yet your buddy standing two inches from me takes no damage. Maybe the old school DAOC style would work where it took multiple people to bring out pieces and assemble it on the battlefield and it cost and arm and a leg. 450g for a one shot machine that you can roll with 100+ of seems a little absurd.

Gravord · March 2015

Soulac wrote: »

Gravord wrote: »

Soulac wrote: »

Olysja wrote: »

well many of us, like gravord or me playing solo pvp 16h/day and it's a totally *** that while i'm killing some1 i recive a 30k instadeath. i repeat, i've atm the best ingamequip not missing anything. now i removed vampirism but still too much dmg.

PvP is not always about equip..
You can block or dodge the siege dmg, this shouldn't be a problem for you, since you run a Stamina Build.

I think many here need some "don't stand in red circle" - training.

You really dont get it...
Again, like for dummy: You are already fighting with somebody, can be good fight can be nothing special but its in progress. Baddie aproaching, seeing you fighting. He pulls out balista out of his ass in 1 second. Aim, fire. While you are absorbed in combat you receive 20k+ hit. Pure bs.
Either rollback this dmg or increase deployment times so it wont be spammed in every combat.

You still see a circle or you hear the sound of it.
Block or dodge and you don't receive a 20k+ hit.
Maybe you don't get it.

Ever heard of running out of resources? Guess not, spamming balista from wall doesnt cost any. But other mere mortals actually playing with their char skills have that sometimes.