Rise of the planet of the Sorcs

Pancake-Tragedy · March 2015

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

k2blader wrote: »

You are so one of my favorite posters. :-)

Not directed at you but just a general contemplation: that sorc with the 30k shield stack-- I wonder what else he was doing at the time, besides being proud of his beefy shield-stack, and maybe lol'ing at people saying "WTH that guy has a huuuuge shield-stack, so O-peeee."

Running around with a giant shield stack is the ESO equivalent of sticking a cucumber down your pants. It may look impressive from the outside but when its time for action you are going to be disappointed.

That annulment/dampen that really fills out your stack doesn't do jack against all the snipes flying around. But it looks impressive.

Exactly this. I've ditched the other shields and only stick to hardened ward now just so I can tell if I can take a snipe/wrecking blow or not.

Galalin · March 2015

Nerf sorcs.... nerf shield stacking.... kk ty. Ahh it feels good to cry for nerfs... now i see why everyone loved crying nerf for dk's

DK SCRUB OUT

bloodenragedb14_ESO · March 2015

please stop crying nerf when its obviously skill. any skilled player can make the most of his class, in that respect any skilled player can absolutely destroy a unskilled player. Truth is if you were a skilled player you would be analyzing the fight and your own skills, and coming up with a way to counter while still being viable to every other circumstance. Even then, each class is better at something than the other. Its really a game of rock paper scissors, cept you have the option of teaming up with paper and scissors.

Cinnamon_Spider · March 2015

Galalin wrote: »

Nerf sorcs.... nerf shield stacking.... kk ty. Ahh it feels good to cry for nerfs... now i see why everyone loved crying nerf for dk's

DK SCRUB OUT

Galalin, why don't you tell these guys how well my hardened ward protected me from lethal arrow and wrecking blows tonight.

TheBull · March 2015

Joy_Division · March 2015

martinhpb16_ESO wrote: »

Teargrants wrote: »

So, 3 of you not only couldn't kill one person, but you all got killed by that one person. I dunno bruh, sounds like a L2P issue to me. Regardless of class make up, any 3 equally skilled players will kill 1 player in a 3v1. Coming to the forums and complaining that you couldn't 3v1 someone doesn't help your case.

Potatoes gonna potate.

Oh get lost with your l2p crud. I been playin pvp b4 u were born. Read the post, read between the lines, not just the one line, b4 you retort with your cliche non-answer.

I planted this post to get some insight, not noob-sight.

What insight were you expected to get by making a ridiculous OP? It's hard to take your post seriously when you talk about invincible sorcs pwning everything in sight and Santa on acid. You just sound like someone who got beat and is frustrated.

Every class has a screw sorc option and if you slot it and use it, most sorcs will run away looking for an easier target. Templar: eclipse. DK: scales. NB: fear.

Xsorus · March 2015

Remember folks, only sorcs are effected by reflects and cc, this will never be overpowered, also if you get enough agrees in a thread from other sorcs you also can't be overpowered

So say we all(and by all I mean sorcs)

pronkg · March 2015

Balance is close to perfect, it pretty much comes down to how you play.

Sorcs are easy to counter, but yeah if you don't know how you will die...

Oh yeh and there are actually players out there who will beat you any day any time with any class simply cause they outplay you, this has nothing to do with balance.

SafiyerAmitora · March 2015

As I've said in another thread:

SafiyerAmitora wrote: »

My mains may be a NB and DK, but I still agree that Sorcs should have their hardened ward. It's bad enough that they're getting nerfed quite a lot (Streak, Negate, etc.), but taking away one of their only good defensive abilities? No. Just no. It's much more fun to fight those Sorcs who can actually have the chance to hit back because they had their ward to help protect themselves, rather than rip them apart in a couple blows when they stood little to no chance because their best line of defense was taken from them. Yes, it's not as powerful as you're making it out to be, but it's still pretty dang good. As if my opinion matters, but the nerfs Sorcs are getting needs to stop. They deserve an op ability or two, just like any other class. Let them have their ward. They're being nerfed enough as it is.

And as Joy_Division said, every class has an anti-Sorc skill. Because of those and the way Sorcs are set up, they could be torn to shreds if they couldn't have their hardened ward, or at least shield stack. I don't know about anyone else, but I don't find being able to one-shot Sorcs (or any other class, for that matter) fun OR a demonstration of good skill. Skill shows more prominently in the lengthier battles involving several skills, not 3s skirmishes starting and ending with the click of just a couple buttons. It's time Sorcs get more love without constantly being called out against because one of their skills is too op. Every other class has one or two, so the same should go for Sorcs.

Teargrants · March 2015

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

Remember folks, only sorcs are effected by reflects and cc, this will never be overpowered, also if you get enough agrees in a thread from other sorcs you also can't be overpowered

So say we all(and by all I mean sorcs)

Would you like some more hay for your straw-man?

Xsorus · March 2015

SafiyerAmitora wrote: »

As I've said in another thread:

SafiyerAmitora wrote: »

My mains may be a NB and DK, but I still agree that Sorcs should have their hardened ward. It's bad enough that they're getting nerfed quite a lot (Streak, Negate, etc.), but taking away one of their only good defensive abilities? No. Just no. It's much more fun to fight those Sorcs who can actually have the chance to hit back because they had their ward to help protect themselves, rather than rip them apart in a couple blows when they stood little to no chance because their best line of defense was taken from them. Yes, it's not as powerful as you're making it out to be, but it's still pretty dang good. As if my opinion matters, but the nerfs Sorcs are getting needs to stop. They deserve an op ability or two, just like any other class. Let them have their ward. They're being nerfed enough as it is.

And as Joy_Division said, every class has an anti-Sorc skill. Because of those and the way Sorcs are set up, they could be torn to shreds if they couldn't have their hardened ward, or at least shield stack. I don't know about anyone else, but I don't find being able to one-shot Sorcs (or any other class, for that matter) fun OR a demonstration of good skill. Skill shows more prominently in the lengthier battles involving several skills, not 3s skirmishes ending and starting with the click of just a couple buttons. It's time Sorcs get more love without constantly being called out against because one of their skills is too op. Every other class has one or two, so the same should go for Sorcs.

And joy is wrong, saying fear is an anti sorc skill is about one of the siliest things I imagine, same as reflect, the sorc is the one class that has multiple ranged abilities that goes through reflect, hell if you were going to call reflect anti sorc you'd be more right to call it anti nightblade as its more likely to effect them then sorcs (funnel health and cripple for magicka based and all of bow line for stamina base)

Saying any of those skills are designed around countering sorcs is hilariously wrong and shows the length sorcs will go with the poor me attitude

Rylana · March 2015

martinhpb16_ESO wrote: »

Teargrants wrote: »

So, 3 of you not only couldn't kill one person, but you all got killed by that one person. I dunno bruh, sounds like a L2P issue to me. Regardless of class make up, any 3 equally skilled players will kill 1 player in a 3v1. Coming to the forums and complaining that you couldn't 3v1 someone doesn't help your case.

Potatoes gonna potate.

Oh get lost with your l2p crud. I been playin pvp b4 u were born. Read the post, read between the lines, not just the one line, b4 you retort with your cliche non-answer.

I planted this post to get some insight, not noob-sight.

So what youre saying is, you disagree with his factual assessment with expletives and accusations of his own player insight and skill.

TG is actually correct, any three good players should always beat any one good player. If you cannot, then thats you, not him.

SirEwan · March 2015

Sorc

pronkg · March 2015

Rylana wrote: »

martinhpb16_ESO wrote: »

Teargrants wrote: »

So, 3 of you not only couldn't kill one person, but you all got killed by that one person. I dunno bruh, sounds like a L2P issue to me. Regardless of class make up, any 3 equally skilled players will kill 1 player in a 3v1. Coming to the forums and complaining that you couldn't 3v1 someone doesn't help your case.

Potatoes gonna potate.

Oh get lost with your l2p crud. I been playin pvp b4 u were born. Read the post, read between the lines, not just the one line, b4 you retort with your cliche non-answer.

I planted this post to get some insight, not noob-sight.

So what youre saying is, you disagree with his factual assessment with expletives and accusations of his own player insight and skill.

TG is actually correct, any three good players should always beat any one good player. If you cannot, then thats you, not him.

This,

If OP gets enough selfesteem to admit he's clueless in pvp and needs our help, this thread wouldn't have to be so long

thelordoffelines · March 2015

Hmmm... Idk about you guys but if I lost a 3v1 and I was in the three id be embarrassed.

SafiyerAmitora · March 2015

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

Saying any of those skills are designed around countering sorcs is hilariously wrong and shows the length sorcs will go with the poor me attitude

I'm not even a Sorc (at least, none of my mains are), yet I still defend the class. I wouldn't consider that a "poor me" attitude. Of course those skills aren't designed around taking out Sorcs, but they're quite effective for doing so if the Sorc in question doesn't have a way to get around them (fear spam) or isn't careful with what skills they use (Crystal frags, crushing shock, or bow abilities against reflect or eclipse). Sorcs do have ways to counter these, yes, but so does any other class have a way to counter Sorcs.

Tankqull · March 2015

olsborg wrote: »

Those sorcs that shieldstack can be a pain to kill, yes, just remove the shieldstacking, diminishing returns or whatever, only 1 shield active at any one time...something like that. (this is true for every class with a class shield + harness/dampen magicka btw.)

sure bring medium armor down to dmg mitigation values LA provides while HA dmg gets reduced to resemble the dmg a LA user can do to them while blocking, then you can take a way all the shields you like.

Xsorus · March 2015

SafiyerAmitora wrote: »

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

Saying any of those skills are designed around countering sorcs is hilariously wrong and shows the length sorcs will go with the poor me attitude

I'm not even a Sorc (at least, none of my mains are), yet I still defend the class. I wouldn't consider that a "poor me" attitude. Of course those skills aren't designed around taking out Sorcs, but they're quite effective for doing so if the Sorc in question doesn't have a way to get around them (fear spam) or isn't careful with what skills they use (Crystal frags, crushing shock, or bow abilities against reflect or eclipse). Sorcs do have ways to counter these, yes, but so does any other class have a way to counter Sorcs.

Sorcs have the same means of dealing with fear spam as any other class does, and all classes deal with reflect the same way, either you equip a 1hd shield or in dks case you reflect back with your own.

I mean if you want to say abilities like those counter classes I could say daedric mine is a counter to dks along with bolt escape and hardened ward because all of those counter melee dks somehow.

martinhpb16_ESO · March 2015

Teargrants wrote: »

martinhpb16_ESO wrote: »

Teargrants wrote: »

So, 3 of you not only couldn't kill one person, but you all got killed by that one person. I dunno bruh, sounds like a L2P issue to me. Regardless of class make up, any 3 equally skilled players will kill 1 player in a 3v1. Coming to the forums and complaining that you couldn't 3v1 someone doesn't help your case.

Potatoes gonna potate.

Oh get lost with your l2p crud. I been playin pvp b4 u were born. Read the post, read between the lines, not just the one line, b4 you retort with your cliche non-answer.

I planted this post to get some insight, not noob-sight.

LOL, butt hurt name calling doesn't lend you credibility either dude. Claiming PvP is "infested with invincible sorcs zapping through the air and pwning everything in sight" is just ridiculous hyperbole.

Because "ridiculous hyperbole" is the spark that fires a conversation, "dude".

martinhpb16_ESO · March 2015

Joy_Division wrote: »

martinhpb16_ESO wrote: »

Teargrants wrote: »

So, 3 of you not only couldn't kill one person, but you all got killed by that one person. I dunno bruh, sounds like a L2P issue to me. Regardless of class make up, any 3 equally skilled players will kill 1 player in a 3v1. Coming to the forums and complaining that you couldn't 3v1 someone doesn't help your case.

Potatoes gonna potate.

Oh get lost with your l2p crud. I been playin pvp b4 u were born. Read the post, read between the lines, not just the one line, b4 you retort with your cliche non-answer.

I planted this post to get some insight, not noob-sight.

What insight were you expected to get by making a ridiculous OP? It's hard to take your post seriously when you talk about invincible sorcs pwning everything in sight and Santa on acid. You just sound like someone who got beat and is frustrated.

Every class has a screw sorc option and if you slot it and use it, most sorcs will run away looking for an easier target. Templar: eclipse. DK: scales. NB: fear.

Just read the thread, there is a conversation, people are posting credible answers. Why focus on my post if you find it so ridiculous, surely it doesn't matter. I'm getting some useful stuff from this thread. Enjoy your day.

danno8 · March 2015

I think in 3 v 1 vs a Sorcerer, the Sorcerer will always have the option to get away, so I don't think in this case it is a foregone conclusion that the 3 will win. Against a good sorcerer the best the 3 can hope for is a stalemate.

Sorcerer can break free the cc, and by the time you catch them they will have enough stamina back to cc break again. They will hope to catch one of you by surprise with a 12k instant CS followed by a few Mages fury to finish you off.

Like Teargrants himself has said in his videos, "Don't chase the Sorcerer!"

Joy_Division · March 2015

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

SafiyerAmitora wrote: »

As I've said in another thread:

SafiyerAmitora wrote: »

My mains may be a NB and DK, but I still agree that Sorcs should have their hardened ward. It's bad enough that they're getting nerfed quite a lot (Streak, Negate, etc.), but taking away one of their only good defensive abilities? No. Just no. It's much more fun to fight those Sorcs who can actually have the chance to hit back because they had their ward to help protect themselves, rather than rip them apart in a couple blows when they stood little to no chance because their best line of defense was taken from them. Yes, it's not as powerful as you're making it out to be, but it's still pretty dang good. As if my opinion matters, but the nerfs Sorcs are getting needs to stop. They deserve an op ability or two, just like any other class. Let them have their ward. They're being nerfed enough as it is.

And as Joy_Division said, every class has an anti-Sorc skill. Because of those and the way Sorcs are set up, they could be torn to shreds if they couldn't have their hardened ward, or at least shield stack. I don't know about anyone else, but I don't find being able to one-shot Sorcs (or any other class, for that matter) fun OR a demonstration of good skill. Skill shows more prominently in the lengthier battles involving several skills, not 3s skirmishes ending and starting with the click of just a couple buttons. It's time Sorcs get more love without constantly being called out against because one of their skills is too op. Every other class has one or two, so the same should go for Sorcs.

And joy is wrong, saying fear is an anti sorc skill is about one of the siliest things I imagine, same as reflect, the sorc is the one class that has multiple ranged abilities that goes through reflect, hell if you were going to call reflect anti sorc you'd be more right to call it anti nightblade as its more likely to effect them then sorcs (funnel health and cripple for magicka based and all of bow line for stamina base)

Saying any of those skills are designed around countering sorcs is hilariously wrong and shows the length sorcs will go with the poor me attitude

Joy is not wrong. Fear just happens to be a great anti-everything spell. If you spent less time whining on the forums about sorcs and more times attacking their low stamina pool (which fear does a very good job at), you would not find sorcs such formidable opponents.

Mumyo · March 2015

martinhpb16_ESO wrote: »

So been a lot of QQ on here recently from sorcs.

Funny how every campaign I tried tonight was infested with invincible sorcs zapping through the air and pwning everything in sight.

Had a lame 3v1 and it was like fighting a Jedi until we were dead and he zapped his merry way like Santa on acid.

Could I have the same nerf on my NB plz that the sorcs have been whining about, its seems to have done them wonders.

You found the best words there to find.
Want that nerf too xD

Mumyo · March 2015

ratgoddess495 wrote: »

These guys just won't be happy until our only skill line is AP Piñata.

The best proof is that suddenly there are 100% more sorcs in pvp now, even the persons that played other classes for very long time.
Ôh i forgot, they only play it because they want to play hardmode and they accidently gained so much skill now with that broken class that they oneshit people. Dayum, imagine those player on another class.

Pancake-Tragedy · March 2015

Mumyo wrote: »

ratgoddess495 wrote: »

These guys just won't be happy until our only skill line is AP Piñata.

The best proof is that suddenly there are 100% more sorcs in pvp now, even the persons that played other classes for very long time.
Ôh i forgot, they only play it because they want to play hardmode and they accidently gained so much skill now with that broken class that they oneshit people. Dayum, imagine those player on another class.

Talcyndl · March 2015

Pancake-Tragedy wrote: »

Without sacrifice? Hmm, my 17k hp pool suggests otherwise...

Except that its not really 17K hp against most damage when you have shields up. Yes, against certain builds and certain attacks, those shields are less useful, but for a lot of the time in Cyrodiil, you really have 30K+ hp.

Pancake-Tragedy · March 2015

Talcyndl wrote: »

Pancake-Tragedy wrote: »

Without sacrifice? Hmm, my 17k hp pool suggests otherwise...

Except that its not really 17K hp against most damage when you have shields up. Yes, against certain builds and certain attacks, those shields are less useful, but for a lot of the time in Cyrodiil, you really have 30K+ hp.

Coming from a DK that has multiple forms of active defense, this is both funny and ironic. You have Green Dragon Blood, Reflective Scales, and Ignenous Shield, all of which "extend" your HP far past what your stat sheet says when putting it the same way that you do and all of which take a different approach to dealing with.

DKs just had it so good for so long that they forgot (never knew?) what it was like to actively think about how to deal with other class' abilities.

Scotia · March 2015

olsborg wrote: »

Those sorcs that shieldstack can be a pain to kill, yes, just remove the shieldstacking, diminishing returns or whatever, only 1 shield active at any one time...something like that. (this is true for every class with a class shield + harness/dampen magicka btw.)

Why don't we take your class and nerf some abilities and we can call it even. Every class has few abilities that another class will not have, that is why it is called a 'class'. I believe the sorc with the negate nerf, and the crit surge nerf has had enough nerfs to their class abilities.

Talcyndl · March 2015

Pancake-Tragedy wrote: »

Talcyndl wrote: »

Pancake-Tragedy wrote: »

Without sacrifice? Hmm, my 17k hp pool suggests otherwise...

Except that its not really 17K hp against most damage when you have shields up. Yes, against certain builds and certain attacks, those shields are less useful, but for a lot of the time in Cyrodiil, you really have 30K+ hp.

Coming from a DK that has multiple forms of active defense, this is both funny and ironic. You have Green Dragon Blood, Reflective Scales, and Ignenous Shield, all of which "extend" your HP far past what your stat sheet says when putting it the same way that you do and all of which take a different approach to dealing with.

DKs just had it so good for so long that they forgot (never knew?) what it was like to actively think about how to deal with other class' abilities.

Right. I'm a tank. A balanced game design (which was not the case for DKs for a while, but IMO was "fixed" many patches ago) gives tank builds high survivability while limiting their dps.

The issue people have with Sorcs atm is that there is little tradeoff. A sorc can stack shields (and be in some situations MORE tanky than a tank build) while also maintaining the ability to burst dps.

Oh, and also having the most annoying escape ability ever devised.

pronkg · March 2015

Scotia wrote: »

olsborg wrote: »

Those sorcs that shieldstack can be a pain to kill, yes, just remove the shieldstacking, diminishing returns or whatever, only 1 shield active at any one time...something like that. (this is true for every class with a class shield + harness/dampen magicka btw.)

Why don't we take your class and nerf some abilities and we can call it even. Every class has few abilities that another class will not have, that is why it is called a 'class'. I believe the sorc with the negate nerf, and the crit surge nerf has had enough nerfs to their class abilities.

Indeed, sorcs are still squishy as hell if you catch them off guard.

Ward OP? No,
Does it need balance? I don't know,

I don't know the math, maybe a small nerf to the size of it is in place, removing it is ridiculous, this skill had made sorcerors viable in pvp, I'm glad about that