Crystal Fragments cast time

MADshadowman · March 2015

Nysticc wrote: »

Do you realize how strong frags are when combo's right? Frags are doing 14k in pvp and you want a shorter cast time?
Seriously people...

frags are maybe doing 14k with high spell power and when they crit, the normal non-crit ones don't hit that hard and most of us don't stack so much spell power to get the damage so high.

And it's not that WE are asking for that. ZOS decided to reduce the cast time and we would be happy to have that. unfortunately this is not the case and the cast time actually increased. Since this is our main damage dealer, i think it's only fair to have a cast time that makes hard casting these things a little more viable.

Athas24 · March 2015

Nysticc wrote: »

Do you realize how strong frags are when combo's right? Frags are doing 14k in pvp and you want a shorter cast time?
Seriously people...

^^what does this have to do with the tool tip being incorrect if it states its a 1 second cast and it is not a 1 second cast?

[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Trolling]

Snit · March 2015

Nysticc wrote: »

Do you realize how strong frags are when combo's right? Frags are doing 14k in pvp and you want a shorter cast time?
Seriously people...

I think we want something close to the cast time listed in the tool tip and patch notes.

Cyhawk · March 2015

CF has been broken for a long time. When they changed the cast timer to 1.3s instead of 1.6s the only change they did was modify the tooltip to show a different time. When it became 1s, it was still 1.6s. Several other abilities have the same issue (Uppercut for example). Also the insta cast isn't instant. The spell casts instantly but you're locked in casting for the entire duration. It's always been this way.

Attorneyatlawl · March 2015

Nysticc wrote: »

Do you realize how strong frags are when combo's right? Frags are doing 14k in pvp and you want a shorter cast time?
Seriously people...

Yep, it's a very strong move and only moreso with the already-reduced cast time now, topped off with that delightful cherry on top of 20% higher damage when it procs the instant cast

. I'm having no issues at all weaving in a light attack or crushing shock about 1 second after I start casting the crystal fragments spell. Yeah, the animation is long if you just wait it out, just like with most other abilities. But you don't have to.

Athas24 · March 2015

I did some timed tests and its 1.3-1.5 seconds on average for each cast. I'm testing the initial cast only and i did it on about10 different targets.

Emma_Overload · March 2015

If you cast repeatedly, it really is only 1 second! The "long" cast you guys are experiencing is only for the FIRST cast... Wrecking Blow is the same way.

What ZoS needs to do, though is make every cast only 1 second, including the first one.

MADshadowman · March 2015

Emma_Eunjung wrote: »

If you cast repeatedly, it really is only 1 second! The "long" cast you guys are experiencing is only for the FIRST cast... Wrecking Blow is the same way.

What ZoS needs to do, though is make every cast only 1 second, including the first one.

Yeah, but that doesn't make it any better. And it's always been that way that repeated casts were faster. Cast time should match what the patch notes and the tooltip say.

Snit · March 2015

Emma_Eunjung wrote: »

If you cast repeatedly, it really is only 1 second! The "long" cast you guys are experiencing is only for the FIRST cast... Wrecking Blow is the same way.

The issue becomes, should animation clipping be needed in order to get the time described in the tooltip?

Lord_Kreegan · March 2015

It's only good for an opener. It takes much too long for any use after that.

TheLaw · March 2015

Tankqull wrote: »

for me
its 1.8-1.9sec for a casted fragment
and 1.1-1.2 sec where i´m locked out from using abilities after using a "instant" proced fragment (thats the time from executing the cast till the animation fired off...)

This.

Nysticc wrote: »

Do you realize how strong frags are when combo's right? Frags are doing 14k in pvp and you want a shorter cast time?
Seriously people...

I can't tell if this is a serious post or not. We're complaining about the current cast time being inaccurate, not asking for a lower cast time.

DODHitman · March 2015

Nysticc wrote: »

Do you realize how strong frags are when combo's right? Frags are doing 14k in pvp and you want a shorter cast time?
Seriously people...

No they are asking for it to work as the game says it does......they aren't asking to give it a buff or nothing....read before you post.

Back on topic:
Yes guys the cast times are way, way off from what they are saying, 3 sec. cast on regular skill and 1 sec. instant here...

Vis · March 2015

I just finished repeating the frame rate experiment and got between 1.9 and 2.1 seconds. The extra .2 second is that in my animation my hands got to the cast position slightly before the orbs appear. The travel time however made it much longer, with being unable to cast for up to an extra 2 seconds. It's like having one of the worst cool downs in game.

Regardless, when timed with other skills with cast times (tested pets and wrecking blow so far), their relative cast times were no where near the 2x ratio of shards. Funny enough, wrecking blow was actually less than its cast time for second cast in a row (or seemed less), because the damage number proc would come before the end of the first animation (no travel time to put distance between casts overlapping).

This hurts sorcs for two reasons:

-CF is already the game's most reflected skill
-With travel time, it is much lower dps than stamina

Costismaros · March 2015

it is not strong at all.
I really believe this fix is, what a sorc needs. Then everyone will be happy.
Do it plz to be 1sec cast and not 1.8 as it is.

Costismaros · March 2015

Lord_Kreegan wrote: »

It's only good for an opener. It takes much took long for any use after that.

Nope.
I m using it as main ability and i have 8-11k dps.

Vis · March 2015

If they fixed the travel time alone, that would be amazing.

MADshadowman · March 2015

Vis wrote: »

If they fixed the travel time alone, that would be amazing.

What do you consider a fix for the travel time? Just faster or do you have something else in mind?

Vis · March 2015

Faster. Much faster. Or remove the gcd.

MADshadowman · March 2015

Vis wrote: »

Faster. Much faster. Or remove the gcd.

Hmm... yeah, faster would be nice. It's way too easy to dodge or block.

I also wish it wouldn't be reflectable, but it's a projectile so no chance of changing that

c0rp · March 2015

still waiting @ZOS_GinaBruno

ZOS_GinaBruno · March 2015

MADshadowman wrote: »

Reduced the cast time on all ranks and morphs to 1 second from 1.3 seconds.

This is never 1 second, it's not even 1.3 seconds. I timed the cast time on the pts and now on live and i always get 1.6-1.7 seconds. And it also feels way longer than 1 second.

Can you guys please check and confirm this?

We just double checked the values and tested in-game, and it is indeed a 1 second cast time. Is it possible you're just running into some server lag?

c0rp · March 2015

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

MADshadowman wrote: »

Reduced the cast time on all ranks and morphs to 1 second from 1.3 seconds.

This is never 1 second, it's not even 1.3 seconds. I timed the cast time on the pts and now on live and i always get 1.6-1.7 seconds. And it also feels way longer than 1 second.

Can you guys please check and confirm this?

We just double checked the values and tested in-game, and it is indeed a 1 second cast time. Is it possible you're just running into some server lag?

I have not seen a 1 second casted CF in my entire time of being a sorc, ever.

pmn100b16_ESO · March 2015

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

MADshadowman wrote: »

Reduced the cast time on all ranks and morphs to 1 second from 1.3 seconds.

This is never 1 second, it's not even 1.3 seconds. I timed the cast time on the pts and now on live and i always get 1.6-1.7 seconds. And it also feels way longer than 1 second.

Can you guys please check and confirm this?

We just double checked the values and tested in-game, and it is indeed a 1 second cast time. Is it possible you're just running into some server lag you just need to reset your router?

ahem

Snit · March 2015

You're likely measuring with different start and end points.

tinythinker · March 2015

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

MADshadowman wrote: »

Reduced the cast time on all ranks and morphs to 1 second from 1.3 seconds.

This is never 1 second, it's not even 1.3 seconds. I timed the cast time on the pts and now on live and i always get 1.6-1.7 seconds. And it also feels way longer than 1 second.

Can you guys please check and confirm this?

We just double checked the values and tested in-game, and it is indeed a 1 second cast time. Is it possible you're just running into some server lag?

Since Update 6 that sounds very possible, but I suppose in a way that is a topic for another thread. Not sure what else it could unless the points of measurement used in internal testing is different than player measurements or something didn't translate/update properly in the patch downloaded by players.

c0rp · March 2015

Let me power down, and power up real quick...

c0rp · March 2015

Snit wrote: »

You're likely measuring with different start and end points.

From the moment the button is RELEASED (eso skills fire on button release, not press) to the moment the shard starts to travel is NOT 1 second is all I know.

jircris11 · March 2015

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

MADshadowman wrote: »

Reduced the cast time on all ranks and morphs to 1 second from 1.3 seconds.

This is never 1 second, it's not even 1.3 seconds. I timed the cast time on the pts and now on live and i always get 1.6-1.7 seconds. And it also feels way longer than 1 second.

Can you guys please check and confirm this?

We just double checked the values and tested in-game, and it is indeed a 1 second cast time. Is it possible you're just running into some server lag?

i can confirm it is longer then 1 second, my friends and i tested it and it is 2.2 seconds for me and 2.6 seconds for them.

o_0 · March 2015

Since ZOS claims (in a perfect world) it is 1 second, good luck getting them to admit or change anything.

Valnas · March 2015

shooting star frag crushing shock lt in rapid succesion has a very nice thud when it lands. i'd put a helmet on and reflect up first.