Crystal Fragments cast time

Folkb · March 2015

Have you tried turning it off and then on again?

jircris11 · March 2015

Folkb wrote: »

Have you tried turning it off and then on again?

lols

ZOS_GinaBruno · March 2015

For you guys seeing longer than 1 second, could you make a video and shoot us a link? That'll be the easiest and fastest way to track this down.

bugmom · March 2015

All I know is that it is NOT 1 second for me. Ever. ALWAYS longer.

jircris11 · March 2015

Sure, once the server is up. i did multiple test from high graphics (what i normally run) to low. Sadly i use to run at 60-90 PR now im running 100-125 PR since the patch.

sput4ueb17_ESO · March 2015

I really like to see crystal frag to work and cast faster. and i agree with all so far it is never 1 sec it is always more and if that happens fronm server lag then 1 thing more to add fix the lag pls

MADshadowman · March 2015

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

MADshadowman wrote: »

Reduced the cast time on all ranks and morphs to 1 second from 1.3 seconds.

This is never 1 second, it's not even 1.3 seconds. I timed the cast time on the pts and now on live and i always get 1.6-1.7 seconds. And it also feels way longer than 1 second.

Can you guys please check and confirm this?

We just double checked the values and tested in-game, and it is indeed a 1 second cast time. Is it possible you're just running into some server lag?

No Gina, i recorded this and took the time from the first frame the animation began (floating orbs and stuff) to the last frame of the animation (when the fragment appears and leaves my hands).

Lag would put a delay between button press and animation start, but not between the start and the ending of the animation.

jircris11 · March 2015

Unable to record for some reason though i can confirm the cast time is longer then 1 second. Summoning the crystal alone takes more then 1 second.

MADshadowman · March 2015

MADshadowman wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

MADshadowman wrote: »

Reduced the cast time on all ranks and morphs to 1 second from 1.3 seconds.

This is never 1 second, it's not even 1.3 seconds. I timed the cast time on the pts and now on live and i always get 1.6-1.7 seconds. And it also feels way longer than 1 second.

Can you guys please check and confirm this?

We just double checked the values and tested in-game, and it is indeed a 1 second cast time. Is it possible you're just running into some server lag?

No Gina, i recorded this and took the time from the first frame the animation began (floating orbs and stuff) to the last frame of the animation (when the fragment appears and leaves my hands).

Lag would put a delay between button press and animation start, but not between the start and the ending of the animation.

@ZOS_GinaBruno i sent you a PM with the link to the video.

ZOS_GinaBruno · March 2015

MADshadowman wrote: »

MADshadowman wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

MADshadowman wrote: »

Reduced the cast time on all ranks and morphs to 1 second from 1.3 seconds.

This is never 1 second, it's not even 1.3 seconds. I timed the cast time on the pts and now on live and i always get 1.6-1.7 seconds. And it also feels way longer than 1 second.

Can you guys please check and confirm this?

We just double checked the values and tested in-game, and it is indeed a 1 second cast time. Is it possible you're just running into some server lag?

No Gina, i recorded this and took the time from the first frame the animation began (floating orbs and stuff) to the last frame of the animation (when the fragment appears and leaves my hands).

Lag would put a delay between button press and animation start, but not between the start and the ending of the animation.

@ZOS_GinaBruno i sent you a PM with the link to the video.

Thank you, and got it! We'll take a look now.

MADshadowman · March 2015

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

MADshadowman wrote: »

MADshadowman wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

MADshadowman wrote: »

Reduced the cast time on all ranks and morphs to 1 second from 1.3 seconds.

This is never 1 second, it's not even 1.3 seconds. I timed the cast time on the pts and now on live and i always get 1.6-1.7 seconds. And it also feels way longer than 1 second.

Can you guys please check and confirm this?

We just double checked the values and tested in-game, and it is indeed a 1 second cast time. Is it possible you're just running into some server lag?

No Gina, i recorded this and took the time from the first frame the animation began (floating orbs and stuff) to the last frame of the animation (when the fragment appears and leaves my hands).

Lag would put a delay between button press and animation start, but not between the start and the ending of the animation.

@ZOS_GinaBruno i sent you a PM with the link to the video.

Thank you, and got it! We'll take a look now.

@ZOS_GinaBruno any news on this?

sarttsarttsarttub17_ESO · March 2015

now i know why i havnt been killing people

sarttsarttsarttub17_ESO · March 2015

Nysticc wrote: »

Do you realize how strong frags are when combo's right? Frags are doing 14k in pvp and you want a shorter cast time?
Seriously people...

and bows are doing 12k every hit .

sarttsarttsarttub17_ESO · March 2015

Nysticc wrote: »

Do you realize how strong frags are when combo's right? Frags are doing 14k in pvp and you want a shorter cast time?
Seriously people...

Palidon · March 2015

It's longer than a second for me too. Hope it gets fixed.

Leeric · March 2015

Classic ZoS, blame the player instead of fixing their crap. Just like the long load times right ZoS? Or xp disappearing right ZoS?
Sadly can't believe anything they said because of their conduct in the past. Although, I am sure they are just doing the same thing here anyways.

They completely dismantled the sorcerer, patch by patch.

Edit: "For you guys seeing longer than 1 second, could you make a video and shoot us a link? That'll be the easiest and fastest way to track this down."
HA! Guess they thought about the other BS, then. Well good at least its getting a look now. How about the whole sorcerer class in general....

Almornikb16_ESO · March 2015

I am playing my Sorc since beta and allways hated using a destro staff. So most of the time I just hardcasted Crystal frags. I have a lot of practice in doing this and a muscle memory and timing feeling for this skill.

My observations:

beta till 1.5:
hardcasted frags have allways the same speed in which i churn them out regardless of chaining them or lightattackweaving. It was consistent for minutes long bossfights.

since 1.6:
lightattackweaving frags is allways the same, consistent speed and feels exactly like 1.5
hardcasted chained frags without weaving is mostly the same old speed, but sometimes they speed up, clip each other and I have a second frag in the air before the first one lands! Thats about the 1 second it should have. Just happens sometimes when mashing the button on long bossfights. feels pretty badass to have a sudden blamblamblam! burst in that usual slowpaced cast-hit-cast-hit-cast-hit... monotony.

There is something weired here!
And why should lag matter in castspeed when we have a casting queque in our options? It should allways cast fast when lag is smaller than the queque time.

btw: I would never be able to sustain hardcasting frags for 1-2 minutes in a row looking at 2,3k manacost and 1100manareg/2sec at a 38k manapool (necropotence,breton,13khp) if it would cast once per second and not like 1,5-1,8 sec per cast!

I am very interested in seeing this solved since its THE central part of my gameplay!

@Zenimax: It should be easy for you to make a mob immovable and invulurable and simply count how many crystal frags you are able to cast in one minute. WE are not able to show that since there are no testdummys and our tests would allways be considered flawed because of lag or movement in bossfights. Thanks for looking into this! By getting this working out you could help many Sorcs that feel underpowered and bring them back to Tamriel instead of lurking in Forums looking for hits

tallenn · March 2015

My own tests with video editing software, and tracking start of animation to spell going off (not hitting the target, leaving the caster's hands) frame by frame at 30 fps show cast times averaging around 1.4 seconds. the lowest I had was 1.31, the highest was 1.5.

That's checking three consecutive casts, spamming the button, so it casts as soon as it can. I counted the frames, then divided by 30 (for 30 fps), then divided by 3.

bugmom · March 2015

Takes long enough to cast that I've stopped using it in PvE. Between the time I start to cast and anything happens the target has always moved on making it a pretty useless skill.

MADshadowman · March 2015

@ZOS_GinaBruno any news on this issue?

MADshadowman · March 2015

Hello? @ZOS_GinaBruno , @ZOS_JessicaFolsom , anybody?

Have you looked into this? Is there anything you can tell us?

kelly.medleyb14_ESO · March 2015

MADshadowman wrote: »

Reduced the cast time on all ranks and morphs to 1 second from 1.3 seconds.

This is never 1 second, it's not even 1.3 seconds. I timed the cast time on the pts and now on live and i always get 1.6-1.7 seconds. And it also feels way longer than 1 second.

Can you guys please check and confirm this?

It's just because of animation, don't bother using it unless it procs free anyway that's what makes it OP.

Nebthet78 · March 2015

kelly.medleyb14_ESO wrote: »

MADshadowman wrote: »

Reduced the cast time on all ranks and morphs to 1 second from 1.3 seconds.

This is never 1 second, it's not even 1.3 seconds. I timed the cast time on the pts and now on live and i always get 1.6-1.7 seconds. And it also feels way longer than 1 second.

Can you guys please check and confirm this?

It's just because of animation, don't bother using it unless it procs free anyway that's what makes it OP.

I am definitely thinking it has something to do with the animation for it being too long.

Casting time for me are exactly the same as they were when playing 1.5 and I have always spellweaved using light and heavy attacks in between spells.

MADshadowman · March 2015

Nebthet78 wrote: »

kelly.medleyb14_ESO wrote: »

MADshadowman wrote: »

Reduced the cast time on all ranks and morphs to 1 second from 1.3 seconds.

This is never 1 second, it's not even 1.3 seconds. I timed the cast time on the pts and now on live and i always get 1.6-1.7 seconds. And it also feels way longer than 1 second.

Can you guys please check and confirm this?

It's just because of animation, don't bother using it unless it procs free anyway that's what makes it OP.

I am definitely thinking it has something to do with the animation for it being too long.

Casting time for me are exactly the same as they were when playing 1.5 and I have always spellweaved using light and heavy attacks in between spells.

The cast time is definitely longer than in 1.5. I'm using fragments a lot and i immediately noticed it on the pts, and now it's live.

danovic · March 2015

seems they did something crystal seems much faster in 2.0 for me anyway you should try it. Could just be playing on pts surver with none around though to lag the zone.

Exstazik · March 2015

CF was bugged early even before 1.5. And it's still bugged

MADshadowman · March 2015

Patch 2.0.1 is out!

Let's see if something has changed

cozmon3c_ESO · March 2015

the first cast is too long but the ones after it seem like 1 second to me.

RunAway · March 2015

@ZOS_GinaBruno

Any new info on this?

bg22 · March 2015

I like it.

Working as intended.