Immortal guards are getting REALLY annoying.

JaJaLuka · March 2015

The guards aren't actually immortal (GG frames shows their health uncovered but that beige bar, lower level guards have approx. 250K health and craglorn guards have about 450K), but when you get them to about 60-70% health they usually hit you with a 1 shot kill, I'm still experimenting and trying to kill one, but damn it's hard.

Frawr · March 2015

Level up legerdemain and you will be more effective

Run away from the guards

don't kill NPCs

Universaluv · March 2015

I was under the impression there was going to be a Bad ( Thief ) side and a Good ( Police ) side that would include World PVP. I believe I read this months ago about what was intended for the Justice System. So either we only have part of it ( as there's no Thieves Guild or Dark Brotherhood, nor Policing Player Side )) or this is all we're going to get for an unspecified time.

I think guards that can't die is not the right approach but until perhaps the world pvp and other players being part of a Full Justice system to stop large Thieving Crowds from clearing cities by Guard Killing this was what they went with.

Just my opinion anyhow.

Tamanous · March 2015

Sounds like the justice system works.

1ne2woBe · March 2015

TBO, I like it! Kinda fun to see yourself die a time or two to then figure out your escape routes if/when you get caught within a specific spot.

Think about it though... You are coming into a city to do some thievery s***. If you are a pro as you believe you are to be... do it right! Figure out how you are going to come in, figure out your marks, figure out your escape plan if/when you get caught! Very simple, and VERY fun!!!

If you do plan on doing dirty work, plan on getting dirty.

EDIT: I wanted to add... I had to die 3 times to know where the guards were, their pacing routes, how many, where my marks were, timing, and where to flee if caught. It took less than an hour to receive Serial Killer achievement, 90K bounty, and a nice epic thievery achievement to get me to only level 5 within the skill tree. And it was damn fun as hell!!!!

prabhu.abhimanyurwb17_ESO · March 2015

Your bounty would just be erased if you get killed anyways, so u might as well just get yourself killed once and lose the heat.

Mettaricana · March 2015

i feel stupid saying this but " if you can't do the time don't due the crime"

Seraphyel · March 2015

The guards are just out of control. I don't know why they made them immortal, totally breaks the whole system.

Sure they should be strong, but they shouldn't be trial bosses.

1ne2woBe · March 2015

prabhu.abhimanyurwb17_ESO wrote: »

Your bounty would just be erased if you get killed anyways, so u might as well just get yourself killed once and lose the heat.

Very good point. Don't ever carry gold on you....

AngryNord · March 2015

Farm Dwemer motifs and sell them. I went from 1500 gold to 50000 gold in a week that way.

Nova Sky · March 2015

There is an option in the gameplay menu that you can toggle to keep you from killing NPCs, too.

I use it because I have no interest in killing NPCs ... just getting my hands on some of their loot.

Pixelex · March 2015

SG_Celerrimus wrote: »

I am trying to find a Daedra heart in a container in a town, like the old days, but every time I try and walk around to get from house to house to look, I get swarmed by 1-3 guards, and I have no chance of fighting back because they are GODS (WHYY???) and they constantly chain pull me and stun me whenever I try to run away, so my only real option is to just stand there and die.

Please for the love of god, make guards killable, this just isn't fun after a while.

Hmm.. well well.. and I think the guards should be much stronger!

I already saw two players farming the guards. So why do you say this? The guards are not GODS!
The guards must be real hard to kill, otherwise the justice system would be too easy!

kwisatz · March 2015

System is fine AND fun for me.

OP, if you want daedra hearts, stop willing to steal from honest people in town; go to delves and crypts out in the wild: no owners and no guards there.

Pixelex · March 2015

kwisatz wrote: »

System is fine AND fun for me.

OP, if you want daedra hearts, stop willing to steal from honest people in town; go to delves and crypts out in the wild: no owners and no guards there.

THIS!

crowzub17_ESO · March 2015

Actually Im all for god guards. What I want is a simple check box to make all the containers that are going to be considered stealing if you loot from them to show as non-lootable aka empty or whatever. I don't like the justice system. I don't want the justice system or anything to do with the stupid crap. So give me a checkbox so I cant click on something that will be considered stealing. How hard is that for an option?

They want my money I want that checkbox. Ive paid everything you can possible pay for to date. Two imperial editions, monthly subscriptions etc. I fully intended to keep paying when they go to this stupid free play crap.

But if they don't add something to opt out of things being steal-able they can kiss my money goodbye from now on.

Pixelex · March 2015

crowzub17_ESO wrote: »

Actually Im all for god guards. What I want is a simple check box to make all the containers that are going to be considered stealing if you loot from them to show as non-lootable aka empty or whatever. I don't like the justice system. I don't want the justice system or anything to do with the stupid crap. So give me a checkbox so I cant click on something that will be considered stealing. How hard is that for an option?

I think this should be possible. Good idea. Like the option not to kill innocent people. ^^

Govalon · March 2015

1ne2woBe wrote: »

prabhu.abhimanyurwb17_ESO wrote: »

Your bounty would just be erased if you get killed anyways, so u might as well just get yourself killed once and lose the heat.

Very good point. Don't ever carry gold on you....

Not true. If you don't have gold when guard kills you, you will not lose the bounty and he will just kill you again. If you have gold with you, guard will take the sum equivalent to bounty sum.

Takhistis · March 2015

We could try host a player event where 100 players gang up on 1 guard

And HOW DID YOU MANAGE TO GET A 10K BOUNTY? Even for killing npc's on the street I ended up with at most 2k bounty overall yesterday.

ItsGlaive · March 2015

SG_Celerrimus wrote: »

So, I did some thievery and botched it a bunch of times and landed myself with a 10k bounty. I currently have 0 gold. I am trying to find a Daedra heart in a container in a town, like the old days, but every time I try and walk around to get from house to house to look, I get swarmed by 1-3 guards, and I have no chance of fighting back because they are GODS (WHYY???) and they constantly chain pull me and stun me whenever I try to run away, so my only real option is to just stand there and die.

Please for the love of god, make guards killable, this just isn't fun after a while.

Guards are fine, just stop getting caught so much! If you get caught once, your options are:

Clear the bounty at a hideout
Hide out of town until it goes away (takes a while, but still goes down when logged off so I've heard
Go out of town to earn the gold to pay the bounty.

Racking it all the way up to 10k, you must've got caught a lot, and murdered a lot. Not smart, but not the fault of the guards or the system either, just be more careful next time

Sotha_Sil · March 2015

I think guards being killable is OK as long as PVP elements are in place meaning that players can be the guards too (and kill the thieves!).

Without it, it is not an option.

Mr_Gallows · March 2015

I don't know where all the whining about the justice system comes from. I have been invading homes, stealing, picking pockets, sold stolen good etc. to level Ledgerdemain. I have been caught a few times, giving be a 75g fine. I killed two people by accident, because they attacked me. I let the guard kill me and paid my ransom of 1700g.

When I steal I always, stay hidden, away from guards and make sure no one sees me steal. I have ripped entire market stalls of items without being noticed and sold the stuff. Even with those fines I've made money stealing.

There must be something you people, who have issues, do wrong. Perhaps you're just poor at being thieves.

And if you put yourself in a situation where you have no gold and a big bounty... well that's just daft and you're quite frankly asking for issues.

prabhu.abhimanyurwb17_ESO · March 2015

I personally enjoy having god level guards.It kinda amplifies the cat and mouse effect in the game. But if the invincibility of guards has to be removed , then a better option would be to make the guards beatable but not kill able. Same as the non kill able NPC's in Skyrim. They would just yield once all their health is depleted and rise again in a minute or so. And the guards would also have to be a challenge for one to take on solo. Anyways the guards deal ample damage in the current form.
And to add to the mix, they could introduce sorcerer guards in the city. Giving them ample ranged and melee attack options.

Alurria · March 2015

Sorry but LOL! Just lol

Ushiwaka · March 2015

Or you could just not get a 10k bounty. That's an idea

stabbykitteh · March 2015

SG_Celerrimus wrote: »

AND, if you get caught in a building with guards in it and they spot you, gg your dead, no questions asked, no chance to get out, you are just dead, because you know, the guards are immortal.

My problem with this isn't the guards. It's not being able to use the door. Why does being on the run suddenly cripple my hands - or paws as the case may be? Do all the buildings have an automatic security door lock system?

Leeric · March 2015

Govalon wrote: »

Even more proof that DK's are OP. All guards rolled one and can't be killed.

lol no one should miss this post, that is great.

JD2013 · March 2015

I don't get it. I usually suck at stealth and I've been stealing and picking lockboxes to my heart's content

But if the guards weren't hard, imagine all the guard corpses in towns and how easy it would make the system.

I think it's working just fine. Want to do crime? Either steal better or face consequences I guess!

TheShadowScout · March 2015

Sounds like its working as it should.

Don't like the guards bearing down on you? Don't break the law. (...or at least don't get caught... ;-p)

It's easy enough to steal a lot of stuff without getting caught if you're careful... just don't steal where soneone can see.

That said... I for one would like the guards to be killable, at a power level about that of the cyrodil guards. But if you do kill one, it just adds a big chunk to your bounty and spawns three more... so you get killed eventually no matter what. Or maybe have some better way of handling the immortality... like, guards being damaageable, but if they reach 50% HP they call upon Stendarr, and recieve a "divine law enforsement boost" for a massive damage shield and empowered insta-kill attacks... then at least there'd be a lore-ish reason for their might...

zeuseason · March 2015

I'm loving all the guard complaint threads popping up. Players that want to go on crime sprees and never face the consequences. Guards are there for a reason, they are tough for a reason, they have the abilities that they do for a reason. It's your own fault for your own frustration caused by getting caught.

1ne2woBe · March 2015

Govalon wrote: »

1ne2woBe wrote: »

prabhu.abhimanyurwb17_ESO wrote: »

Your bounty would just be erased if you get killed anyways, so u might as well just get yourself killed once and lose the heat.

Very good point. Don't ever carry gold on you....

Not true. If you don't have gold when guard kills you, you will not lose the bounty and he will just kill you again. If you have gold with you, guard will take the sum equivalent to bounty sum.

True, however you will still have another chance to evade them w/o having to lose gold that happens to be upon you if you (are like me) and continue to kill/steel.