Immortal guards are getting REALLY annoying.

zaria

As an thief its always best to run away. Killing give an far higher bounty on top of the existing as it should do.

No guards should not be immortals, I would even nerf their health, but buff their attack then they are hurt up to an strong two dot boss, they will also try to call other guards. Finally killing one give you an 10-25K bounty.

Oyaban_Kyuubi

Yeah Op I have no problem with the guards being gods tbh. All it is is a case of learn how to thief properly Ive never gotten to the point of 10k bounty unless its been on purpose at best Ive gotten maybe 500 at times when ive really bungled up a few blade of woe kills and got caught. Just get better at thieving and your issues with the guards go away its actually not that hard to get away from them either. They immobilize you roll, They stun you break the stun, they pull you back with chain keep running. I don't even sprint away from the guards anymore I just move the normal full pace and they leave me be after a good one to two minutes of giving them the runaround. its actually more challenging and fun that you cant just kill the guards.

Wrathmane

BigM wrote: »

I must be doing something wrong because I been stealing a lot and haven't been caught yet.

I would disagree.. you are doing something right.... like being a good thief..... If your accumulating a huge bounty then your doing something wrong.... so quit complaining that the godlike guards are a problem, become a better thief then they aren't a problem at all.

And Just because I like beating a dead horse...... I think they should implement the PVP aspect of the Justice system they initially proposed.... so if you think the immortal guards are bad.... they are a warm up compared to a PC bounty hunter hunting you down.

Zyrudin

Natjur wrote: »

Once the second part of the Justice system is in place when players can be the GOOD guys. The guards will not longer be immortal. They are only immoral as only half the system is in place. Just wait to patch 1.7, its only.......6 months away.

Use the 'free' time to get all the achievements before players start hunting you.

Hmm...
Do you have the source for that?

Kodrac

Zyrudin wrote: »

Natjur wrote: »

Once the second part of the Justice system is in place when players can be the GOOD guys. The guards will not longer be immortal. They are only immoral as only half the system is in place. Just wait to patch 1.7, its only.......6 months away.

Use the 'free' time to get all the achievements before players start hunting you.

Hmm...
Do you have the source for that?

You do realize that post was from 2 years ago yes? And that the second part was scrapped yes?

Zyrudin

Kodrac wrote: »

You do realize that post was from 2 years ago yes? And that the second part was scrapped yes?

LadyLavina

Surragard wrote: »

If guards were killable there literally would not be a living NPC in any Town lol. I prefer the system as it's currently set up. Yes it forces you to use a sneaking mechanic. I played before stealing was added and I do fondly recall running house to house looting every container looking for motifs. It's a different game now and I don't mind having a little skill added to the hunt.

i hate to jump on this necro'd thread, but the guards should, at the very least, have normal cc/attack range and not be able to just automatically 1-shot you after a certain amount of time spent fighting.

Surragard

LadyLavina wrote: »

Surragard wrote: »

If guards were killable there literally would not be a living NPC in any Town lol. I prefer the system as it's currently set up. Yes it forces you to use a sneaking mechanic. I played before stealing was added and I do fondly recall running house to house looting every container looking for motifs. It's a different game now and I don't mind having a little skill added to the hunt.

i hate to jump on this necro'd thread, but the guards should, at the very least, have normal cc/attack range and not be able to just automatically 1-shot you after a certain amount of time spent fighting.

I can see the argument for giving them a slight nerf but if the whole point is to have a deterrence to in-game crimes/make stealing and killing difficult then if you can easily escape the guards what's the point?

Minalan

Or we could add a player justice system.

You think the guards are bad?

theher0not

Totaly agree. How the guards work now is really anti fun. I am fine with them being immortal, but we should at least be able to exit buildings when they chase us (they could follow us trough the door as long as the unescapable caught inside a building situation is eliminated)

zaria

This show how OP guars are.
An guard resting on his 4cm thick Khajiit tail.
He would have no issue dragging you off you bear mount and then start hitting you with the bear.
Nerf now.

Horowonnoe

SG_Celerrimus wrote: »

DrOrpheus wrote: »

You can use invis pots to actually get out of the situation inside a building, ive saved myself a couple times since i made them just popping it and going to hide at the opposite end of the building, pending the building isnt just a single small room.

Like I said, I have no gold to buy invis pots, and I don't have alchemy leveled.

You can get them free from the Shadowy supplier.

bloodthirstyvampire

SG_Celerrimus wrote: »

Eldarth wrote: »

Stop going in town. duh. Make some money on loot drops outside of town, go sell to the fences and pay off your bounty. Sheesh.

"I want to be a criminal and steal stuff and kill people and I don't want anyone to bother me."

I am fine with the guards bothering me, but the fact that they CANNOT be killed whatsoever is extremely annoying. If they could be killed, I would have no problem at all. I think its unfair and unfun that we need to go up against gods when we want to do some crime. Everyone can die, so why can't they?

Yeah make them killable just steel everything no problem put 10k in my bank a day easy money no consequence make them really strong so people can just zerg guards eliminating the justice system in fact no more bountys im a noob/scrub that doesn't know what to do. That that is what you want

Jimbullbee85

Don't *** em off then

SG_Celerrimus

So, if people could not necro a post I made a year ago when I was a little angry, that would be great. kay thanks.

kylerjalen

Magblades seem to have the easiest time thieving/murdering with the permacloak. I was able to level up both TG and DB skill lines and max them both out very quickly.
Perhaps that is what you want to roll. Have someone craft immovable potions that also restore stamina/regen and maybe a third effect of your choice. I have a perpetual bounty on my alt (about 200K) but that's because I really don't care if I'm seen or taloned by a guard.
Pop the potion. Break free. Run like hell.
Its funny because if you speed around a building in a circle you will lose aggro. Same goes for buildings. As long as there is a separate floor or a small adjacent room you can run to and you can vanish from LoS, you are good to go. The only times I've gotten killed was when I didn't see a guard next to me while committing a crime and/or lag prevents me from reacting.

kylerjalen

Pixelex wrote: »

SG_Celerrimus wrote: »

I am trying to find a Daedra heart in a container in a town, like the old days, but every time I try and walk around to get from house to house to look, I get swarmed by 1-3 guards, and I have no chance of fighting back because they are GODS (WHYY???) and they constantly chain pull me and stun me whenever I try to run away, so my only real option is to just stand there and die.

Please for the love of god, make guards killable, this just isn't fun after a while.

Hmm.. well well.. and I think the guards should be much stronger!

I already saw two players farming the guards. So why do you say this? The guards are not GODS!
The guards must be real hard to kill, otherwise the justice system would be too easy!

Wait... you saw two players actually kill a guard?

kylerjalen

bloodenragedb14_ESO wrote: »

i wouldnt mind the immortal guards so much if it wasnt for the fact that killing witnesses doesnt reduce your bounty. fact is if i am in a small room with one other guy and he catches me stealing, killing the stool pidgeon should remove the bounty

This I actually agree with.

Arthmoor

Be an Argonain. Guards hassle you? Jump in the water.Swim away faster than they can chase you.

No water? Race doesn't matter then. Plan your escape route. If it allows you to jump off a wall they can't, then use that.

I've been caught plenty of times but only ever killed by guards in my early days before I learned how to escape.

bloodthirstyvampire

Seraphyel wrote: »

The guards are just out of control. I don't know why they made them immortal, totally breaks the whole system.

Sure they should be strong, but they shouldn't be trial bosses.

Because your a scrub w

SG_Celerrimus wrote: »

So, if people could not necro a post I made a year ago when I was a little angry, that would be great. kay thanks.

You still seam angry

Shgon_Dunstan

Personally, the guards being annoying is just a minor side effect of the whole stealth system... Not really feeling all that "good".


"Usable", sure, but... Seems like half my "stealth" missions are an out and out joke. Actually being remotely "stealthy" taking practice and taking it slow... But "oh look, something you had no real way of predicting just spotted you. Oh well, as there are no/few retries, I guess you just have to kill everything in sight.... At least it's like 500% faster".

My "favorite" ones are those where the guard "kills" me, and... Ghostly-me just casually walks directly to the target. Silly guard, not knowing that I'm unkillalbe.


Outside of those missions though... It's mostly just getting a feel for the sometimes iffy NPC detection range, and keeping a few pardons on hand... Or not particularly caring at the moment if they kill you. That works to.

zaria

Arthmoor wrote: »

Be an Argonain. Guards hassle you? Jump in the water.Swim away faster than they can chase you.

No water? Race doesn't matter then. Plan your escape route. If it allows you to jump off a wall they can't, then use that.

I've been caught plenty of times but only ever killed by guards in my early days before I learned how to escape.

Water is always safe, nothing will swim after you not even crocodiles.
Guards will use ranged but do low damage.

If you do stuff where its an good risk for getting caught, don't carry around lots of stolen stuff.
This is very true then doing pickpocket or lockerbox quests, you get caught and it cost you 250 gold, not the purple furniture blueprint you stole.
You also have the get free papers to clear bounty, they tend to pile up.

AlMcFly

Yah. F*u*ck immortal guards in their stupid eyeballs. I love wasting 30 minutes of stealing only for a guard to stop me from an impossible distance away in doors and have no way of escaping when my clemency is already used. Getting stopped by guard in doors = automatic loss of all stolen items, either through death or paying your fine. Yeah. Not a flawed system at all...