Anyone else feel that 1.6 has completely ruined the game for them....?

AlnilamE · March 2015

TheBucket wrote: »

I love it.

Im also a Master Alchemist and My build got crippled in 1.6 but the update is awesome as a whole

My Master Alchemist is my sorc, but she's happy to supply my NB with whatever is needed. :-)

I'm not even sure what happened with my build yet (hybrid M/S DW NB), but I like what they did with some of the skills and combat feels much nicer now that it did before. It's also fun to allocate CP on different characters and see how things evolve with them.

OP, while PvP is not something I've done a lot of, I think you will find Mark Target a lot more useful in PvP now. And I'm sure that you are going to find a build that you are happy with and that is fun to play once the dust has settled a bit.

diskiukas wrote: »

Can someone explain to me- why this change is better for the game? Why that change was needed, what was wrong with the game in the first place. There are more concerning issues- like lag in Cyro for example that they should spend more time fixing it. Adding new content also, specially in PVP. Make new classes for those who have urgency to start a new. Why this reshuffling was needed at all?

Honestly, I didn't have a problem with the Veteran ranks like others did, but now that the CS is here and I get to pick from a number of improvements which ones I want for each character, it's been interesting and fun.

The skills revision and the new combat I'm really enjoying, though. Killing things is more fun now, even if it is a bit more challenging.

gurgnir · March 2015

Hey OP, you know what ruined the game for me? Launch. I loved closed beta. There weren't as many self entitled, overly dramatic, utterly irrational players in the community. Or if there were, they weren't as vocal.

Ahhh, the good old days.

And for the record, I like the new patch. Z have done a good job, all things considered. I'm a PvP'er.

Grao · March 2015

I am main Sorcerer, PvE oriented.

Do I feel like 1.6 screwed me? Of course... I see very few options for my character now other than maybe tanking, our class DPS is just lacking when compared to other classes and that is sad as the stereotype of Sorcerer is Magicka oriented High PDS.

Assilma · March 2015

gurgnir wrote: »

Hey OP, you know what ruined the game for me? Launch. I loved closed beta. There weren't as many self entitled, overly dramatic, utterly irrational players in the community. Or if there were, they weren't as vocal.

Ahhh, the good old days.

And for the record, I like the new patch. Z have done a good job, all things considered. I'm a PvP'er.

Thank you for your kind words! [snip]

[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Rude and Insulting Comments]

RainfeatherUK · March 2015

Game is way better now than pre 1.6 imo.

Seeing a big increase in excited voices on ventrilo too, hell even some who have quit are reappearing because they were impressed with the PTS and are now looking forward to the B2P/Influx of new players.

So whilst I'm not adding much, I think you are in a minority. You certainly need to give the new changes a chance, since alot is different and adjustment takes time. Most seem to think the potential much greater now that the CS is here and the path to veteran rank removal has begun.

Alot of people dont take change well, so I'm not hating. More just pointing out that as a whole, the previous system had a considerable amount of flaws, ones that were slowly pulling the game down. Gameplay is getting better, things are smoother. Only going up from here hopefully

Assilma · March 2015

RainfeatherUK wrote: »

Game is way better now than pre 1.6 imo.

Seeing a big increase in excited voices on ventrilo too, hell even some who have quit are reappearing because they were impressed with the PTS and are now looking forward to the B2P/Influx of new players.

So whilst I'm not adding much, I think you are in a minority. You certainly need to give the new changes a chance, since alot is different and adjustment takes time. Most seem to think the potential much greater now that the CS is here and the path to veteran rank removal has begun.

Alot of people dont take change well, so I'm not hating. More just pointing out that as a whole, the previous system had a considerable amount of flaws, ones that were slowly pulling the game down. Gameplay is getting better, things are smoother. Only going up from here hopefully

But the thing is, everyone's answer is just *well, it will take time*. But time is precisely what we already spent learning to play this game really well, and it's all been a complete waste! *Change* is fine, but not *these changes*, lol. As for the CS, I don't know if you will have the same opinion in say, 5 months time, when people will have gained 100s of CPs, and casual/new players will be getting absolutely destroyed because they didn't grind their face off.....

Sigtric · March 2015

1.6 has made my Nightblade build BEASTLY and amazingly fun. I like it.

UrQuan · March 2015

OK, serious question for @Assilma and others feeling the same way:

Is this your first MMO?

I don't mean that in an insulting way at all - heck this is my first MMO! I'm just wondering if this is your first time going through a massive re-balance of an online game.

I also don't mean to minimize the frustration you're feeling: I can understand being upset that you got everything working for you, and now you feel like you have to re-learn it all.

Having said that, this was pretty inevitable, and it's pretty inevitable that it will happen again. My suggestion is to take a few days off, come back and see how you feel then.

There are a ton of changes, and personally I like a lot more of them than I dislike. There will be a learning curve, but you're not starting from scratch. Everything you've learned over the last (almost) year will help you to pick up the new way of playing much faster than someone who is just picking up the game for the first time.

Assilma · March 2015

UrQuan wrote: »

OK, serious question for @Assilma and others feeling the same way:

Is this your first MMO?

I don't mean that in an insulting way at all - heck this is my first MMO! I'm just wondering if this is your first time going through a massive re-balance of an online game.

I also don't mean to minimize the frustration you're feeling: I can understand being upset that you got everything working for you, and now you feel like you have to re-learn it all.

Having said that, this was pretty inevitable, and it's pretty inevitable that it will happen again. My suggestion is to take a few days off, come back and see how you feel then.

There are a ton of changes, and personally I like a lot more of them than I dislike. There will be a learning curve, but you're not starting from scratch. Everything you've learned over the last (almost) year will help you to pick up the new way of playing much faster than someone who is just picking up the game for the first time.

Yes it's my first MMO, and I wasn't a big gamer at all until this game, though I had played previous ES games. (No, I did not come here expecting Skyrim Online). I'm glad to here you like the new changes, and I'm really surprised at all the positive comments on this thread, because it completely does not reflect the opinions of virtually everyone I've spoken to in-game ^^

Jaxsun · March 2015

Not YET

Audigy · March 2015

A lot of the changes benefit me.

1. Horse

I didn't had a horse yet and soon get a free mount. All chars will be able to use that mount as well, sounds great.

2. Justice

I didn't make a lot of gold before, especially since trading is locked behind a guild membership. Looting / stealing is giving me a lot of money for no work or risk. Hopefully I will soon also find the big bucks there, atm. most is still in the 30s and not yet in the hundreds or even thousands what I found.

3. Sorceress

Our pet tree was finally buffed, I can solo world bosses that I couldn't before. I also like the new armor spell and how my defenses have grown with it.

4. F2P

I don't play this game a lot, sometimes not for weeks. Having not to pay any money in future will benefit me a lot, as all content is still there and my chars not VR 14 yet. Its not a money thing, but one of convenience. Why pay 15 bucks for 10 hours of play?

In future I can just buy the DLC that I like and don't need to pay money for hundreds of Trials that I will never visit anyways.

5. Bank slots

My Banks were always full, after yesterday I freed about 20 slots this felt great. Just my disguises are for some reason not yet in the system, but I read that this is a work in progress so this might still take another patch.

6. Sound & Graphics

I like the changes that came over the past few months. My chars have footsteps now, I can actually make out many different effects and music patterns, the game feels much more alive now. Coming back after not playing for almost two months was a very positive surprise. Just the performance is still mediocre, I run on Ultra with just 40 FPS in average.

Not all however benefits me

1. CS

For Casuals like me its a horrible situation. We can not play all day and will fall even further behind than before. For someone who likes pvp, this is a big obstacle to climb. I already see myself being insulted for not having the power to sustain a massive amount of incoming damage as a healer.

The current gap is already about 100 CP, this after just two days. I don't even want to think a few months ahead when it most likely is a few hundred CP.

2. Trading

As said earlier, no changes were done. I still can not participate in the trade market, so that all I don't need will go to vendors or alts, which is a shame. I did so hope they would address this issue in 1.6 to open up trading also for Casuals who don't play much.

That's my analysis after the first two days, impressions can still change of course.

Roechacca · March 2015

Not completely but I do log in less now . Just waiting out the time for some critical patches to get implemented ...

BRogueNZ · March 2015

I agree to an extent. I'm not that excited about the CP or justice system or whatever.

To me the update felt like a 20gb light armour nerf and that's about it.

It will take me some time to figure out a new play style, but at least now I have actual options

Dazin93 · March 2015

Honestly, 1.6 ruined the game for me and here is why. First, I'm a casual player in terms of hours I have to play yet I'm a very competitive person in games and try to play my character at the highest level possible. I also only bought ESO for PvP as I don't enjoy PvE at all. It took me around six months to find a playstyle I enjoyed, get my character to max level, and have all legendary gear enchants. Now, my build and playstyle is ruined and no longer competitive.

Can I adapt and change? Absolutely, but let's consider what that entails. First, I would have to level a new character along with all class skills. I would have to redo lines such as mages/fighters guild and undaunted which take some time to complete. I also wouldn't have access to many alliance abilities for quite some time. Adding insult to injury, this all would have to be accomplished in PvE content that I do not enjoy. Convince me why I should spend 6 months doing something I don't enjoy?

There are quite a few people in this thread stating that change is the nature of MMO's and trying to marginalize what has taken place. I have been playing MMO's since 1999 and have never experienced a singular change that rendered my character useless in one fell swoop. In that time I have played probably 14 MMO's so I am curious exactly what games your are comparing to.

When people make statements like stop crying or whining, suck it up, or figure it out it isn't productive and certainly doesn't encourage a player to stay. The fact is that this game has been hemorrhaging players since release and that should concern everyone that truly cares about the long term state of ESO.

One of primary issues with ESO is how it has been managed and the cumulative effects of many poor decisions. People left in droves after the first month due to lag and numerous bugs. People left after forward camps were removed and nothing was instilled in the void they left. Players left over the undaunted issue, the failure to track VR experience as promised, the reluctance of ZO$ to grant reason CP's, and now 1.6 for a variety of reasons.

Simply put, ESO cannot continue to sustain these losses and expect to maintain some semblance of success. 1.6 was gamble by ZO$ in the hopes that it brought in more players than it drove away and that it would make the game more appealing to the console market. What they couldn't do is continue to sustain the same business model as it obviously was failing.

IrishGirlGamer · March 2015

No.

Next question, please.

Assilma · March 2015

Thank you for the very detailed and empathic response, @Dazin93 I could not agree more.

UrQuan · March 2015

Dazin93 wrote: »

Can I adapt and change? Absolutely, but let's consider what that entails. First, I would have to level a new character along with all class skills. I would have to redo lines such as mages/fighters guild and undaunted which take some time to complete. I also wouldn't have access to many alliance abilities for quite some time. Adding insult to injury, this all would have to be accomplished in PvE content that I do not enjoy. Convince me why I should spend 6 months doing something I don't enjoy?

Why would you have to do that? Just keep your existing character, and put your attribute and skill points in different places to create a build that's effective in the 1.6 world. There may be a couple of skills that you'll have to level, but if you're at max level now you should already have your class skills, and at least 1 or 2 each of weapon and armour skill lines leveled to max, along with probably world skill lines, and PVP skill lines.

newtinmpls · March 2015

BigM wrote: »

I like the changes and sorry you don't feel like learning how to play again, but I got to ask.......Can I Have UR Stuff!

Way to show your support.

On the other hand, I'm sure any teen siblings would do the same, so it does contribute to the family feel. ...

Audigy · March 2015

Dazin93 wrote: »

There are quite a few people in this thread stating that change is the nature of MMO's and trying to marginalize what has taken place. I have been playing MMO's since 1999 and have never experienced a singular change that rendered my character useless in one fell swoop. In that time I have played probably 14 MMO's so I am curious exactly what games your are comparing to.

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I can name WOW as example. In Vanilla they reworked our Warlock class from a support char to a nuke mage with demons. It was the day when I stopped raiding on her and changed class.

The situation that I did face and that you face now however has nothing to do with the "playability" but personal preference. I am sure you picked your class for a good reason (you didn't mention which one so I can only speculate) and that class plays differently now.

I know how you are feeling, but it is sadly what can happen in an MMO. Not everyone will notice that, but some that picked a class for a specific reason will do.

One of primary issues with ESO is how it has been managed and the cumulative effects of many poor decisions. People left in droves after the first month due to lag and numerous bugs. People left after forward camps were removed and nothing was instilled in the void they left. Players left over the undaunted issue, the failure to track VR experience as promised, the reluctance of ZO$ to grant reason CP's, and now 1.6 for a variety of reasons.

Personally I don't think someone really left due a bug or some lag, but due the game not being to their liking. I saw Warhammer Online at release and how broken it was or AOC and SWTOR that just shipped without a lot of Beta content

really ESO wasn't that bad

But it is of course understandable that not every design choice will be liked by all. I don't like the CS either, not because its bad, but because of the gap and elitism it creates.

I would advice to just go F2P in two weeks and then see what happens. I believe we both went through many MMOs in the past and know that it isn't as bad as it seems. We just demand much more now from a game

rfennell_ESO · March 2015

The basic theme to all these threads is IF the way you WERE playing was made better, you think it's awesome. ie stamina builds.

If you were a maxed out magicka build (with nothing in oh... 2 hand, 1 hand, dw, or bow for instance) you are screwed. Worse is with all decent grind locations nerfed to oblivion you have a painful prospect of "changing" your build.

The people most happy are the press one button while wearing medium armor clods, who were fine in 1.5. Now they are better and gained spell resist (one weakness they had) and armor (free stuff, vote obama) and increased dps. The logical conclusion to be reached is they all certainly got awesome at the game.

sicc · March 2015

I like the patch overall but the nerf to xp in some areas ruins it for me. Grinding was the only way I could get by as questing was so boring in the vet areas. I would prefer to strictly pvp but that's been borked forever. I'll just enjoy the game a few more months until I fall behind the cp curve then play something else.

Arki · March 2015

Assilma wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

OK, serious question for @Assilma and others feeling the same way:

Is this your first MMO?

I don't mean that in an insulting way at all - heck this is my first MMO! I'm just wondering if this is your first time going through a massive re-balance of an online game.

I also don't mean to minimize the frustration you're feeling: I can understand being upset that you got everything working for you, and now you feel like you have to re-learn it all.

Having said that, this was pretty inevitable, and it's pretty inevitable that it will happen again. My suggestion is to take a few days off, come back and see how you feel then.

There are a ton of changes, and personally I like a lot more of them than I dislike. There will be a learning curve, but you're not starting from scratch. Everything you've learned over the last (almost) year will help you to pick up the new way of playing much faster than someone who is just picking up the game for the first time.

Yes it's my first MMO, and I wasn't a big gamer at all until this game, though I had played previous ES games. (No, I did not come here expecting Skyrim Online). I'm glad to here you like the new changes, and I'm really surprised at all the positive comments on this thread, because it completely does not reflect the opinions of virtually everyone I've spoken to in-game ^^

Virtually everyone I've spoken to ingame like most of the changes. We cannot possible be in the same guilds

cravnbeer · March 2015

The champion system is just another killer for me. I didn't think the champion system was needed to begin with but was gonna look at it with an open mind. Yesterday, I ran some daily quests in cyrodiil and after seeing the little effect it had on the CP gain I basically lost all desire to play.

nerevarine1138 · March 2015

cravnbeer wrote: »

The champion system is just another killer for me. I didn't think the champion system was needed to begin with but was gonna look at it with an open mind. Yesterday, I ran some daily quests in cyrodiil and after seeing the little effect it had on the CP gain I basically lost all desire to play.

Try again with Enlightenment. It makes a world of difference.

Lyrander · March 2015

i like this update. a lot of it.
but im a bit lost right now too.
about to quitt my healer now.

-light armor sucks even more now

-i heal not equivalent to before! not at all

-i die a lot faster (armor below 4k)

on the bright side:

i can change all the stuff above.
but i wont be able to heal anymore. not like i used to be.
and thats what i am sorry for.
im just not used to this medium-half-ass healing.
depressing ^^
and since they gave my class some cool dps stuff i think about changing my play style.

PS: healer/templar

Lightword · March 2015

Assilma wrote: »

I'm not sure who will be reading this; maybe nobody, maybe just some random people on forums, but I hope some of my friends see this, because I'm really unlikely to continue playing much anymore since this update. I hardly know where to start to explain, but I suppose the main thing is that....

I (and many others) spent a lot of time trying to get good at this game (PVP in particular), trying to discover the most effective builds and skills and to learn how to react to everything we came across. But I feel as though the year's worth of experience I've had in this game has been for absolutely nothing, as the entire mechanics are totally different, and overnight my character feels as though it has become completely, totally useless. I don't even want to get into what build I use, because virtually everyone I know feels completely nerfed, regardless of build. It's like I've learned to play a sport, or a musical instrument really really well, and then someone has come along and totally redesigned it, and now I know how to do *nothing*. And sorry, but I'm highly reluctant to continue paying to learn a second musical instrument.

Furthermore I completely agree with those who say that the champion system, 1. is just to make you as good as you were *before 1.6*, and 2. will reward grinding, and punish regular play.

Sorry ZOS, but I really don't care about your justice system, or the provisioning. I'm a PvPer, and the whole thing is completely unbearable, unplayable and awful now. I really hope that things get better enough for me to put time back into this game again, but as it stands, it's a chore to play.

YEP

Dagoth_Rac · March 2015

yodased wrote: »

The roles have been tightened up, thats for sure. It feels more like the holy trinity has been introduced into the game and you will have to at least now decide on a specific role you want to play instead of being able to basically do everything.

Even from a ranged or melee dps, your build will reflect this.

Tl:Dr Give 1.6 a chance. Find the role that you want to play (Ranged DPS, Melee DPS, Full Heals, Dodge Tank, Mitigation Tank, Utility DPS, Utility Heals,) and go after it.

This is part of my personal problem with Update 6. I liked that ESO was not your typical MMO. I liked that switching out some gear and skills could make you viable in another role. I liked that I had one character who could do a bit of everything and not be pigeonholed into one role. I liked that I did not need alts. It all seemed very Elder Scrolls-ish. But Update 6 feels like group play has taken a huge turn toward the traditional MMO playstyle that I don't really care for.

Dazin93 · March 2015

UrQuan wrote: »

Dazin93 wrote: »

Can I adapt and change? Absolutely, but let's consider what that entails. First, I would have to level a new character along with all class skills. I would have to redo lines such as mages/fighters guild and undaunted which take some time to complete. I also wouldn't have access to many alliance abilities for quite some time. Adding insult to injury, this all would have to be accomplished in PvE content that I do not enjoy. Convince me why I should spend 6 months doing something I don't enjoy?

Why would you have to do that? Just keep your existing character, and put your attribute and skill points in different places to create a build that's effective in the 1.6 world. There may be a couple of skills that you'll have to level, but if you're at max level now you should already have your class skills, and at least 1 or 2 each of weapon and armour skill lines leveled to max, along with probably world skill lines, and PVP skill lines.

I really do wish it was that simple. Unfortunately, creating what I deem to be a competitive and effective PvP build with my character would require switching to a LA staff caster that has to keep range. I don't enjoy playing caster archetypes and have always played a melee support type of role in previous MMO's.

The_Drexill · March 2015

I quite like it so far. My Sorc felt extremely weak honestly, but my NB feels quite strong. Turned my Sorc into a crafting toon, too bad since he was my high rank

pecheckler · March 2015

liquid_wolf wrote: »

Finding your way to the top of the mountain and then having it shift on you? Never going to be enjoyable... but that is what an MMORPG is. That never-ending struggle to change and adapt.

You should read up on guild wars 2's design philosophy built around never invalidating previous accomplishments. I like ESO a lot more than all other MMOs in every aspect except PvP, but I have seen so many bad ESO developer choices that I can't stand to play. For example incrementally increasing max VR rank, thus invalidating all previous work.