Anyone else feel that 1.6 has completely ruined the game for them....?

AlnilamE

Dagoth_Rac wrote: »

yodased wrote: »

The roles have been tightened up, thats for sure. It feels more like the holy trinity has been introduced into the game and you will have to at least now decide on a specific role you want to play instead of being able to basically do everything.

Even from a ranged or melee dps, your build will reflect this.

Tl:Dr Give 1.6 a chance. Find the role that you want to play (Ranged DPS, Melee DPS, Full Heals, Dodge Tank, Mitigation Tank, Utility DPS, Utility Heals,) and go after it.

This is part of my personal problem with Update 6. I liked that ESO was not your typical MMO. I liked that switching out some gear and skills could make you viable in another role. I liked that I had one character who could do a bit of everything and not be pigeonholed into one role. I liked that I did not need alts. It all seemed very Elder Scrolls-ish. But Update 6 feels like group play has taken a huge turn toward the traditional MMO playstyle that I don't really care for.

I do have an issue with this as well. It's what's keeping me from making my NB stamina based, because I do like healing as well. Which is why I'm giving myself a few days to think about things before I commit too many skill points.

Oddly enough, my templar still seems to be doing fine with the tank/heal set-up I'm envisioning for her.

rfennell_ESO wrote: »

The basic theme to all these threads is IF the way you WERE playing was made better, you think it's awesome. ie stamina builds.

If you were a maxed out magicka build (with nothing in oh... 2 hand, 1 hand, dw, or bow for instance) you are screwed. Worse is with all decent grind locations nerfed to oblivion you have a painful prospect of "changing" your build.

The people most happy are the press one button while wearing medium armor clods, who were fine in 1.5. Now they are better and gained spell resist (one weakness they had) and armor (free stuff, vote obama) and increased dps. The logical conclusion to be reached is they all certainly got awesome at the game.

Actually, as a hybrid NB, my build has not been made better (if you listen to the theorycrafters), but I still do think that the game in general has improved from 1.6

radiostar

I played my Templar healer last night doing some group dungeons. My char is pretty much the pits now, lol. I will be retiring her for a while and go back over to my DK. They threw everything up to the Star Chart and it will take some time to get it back, and the heals are just kinda sucky atm.

But like someone wrote earlier, good part is it's free later this month!

AbraXuSeXile

Why spend a year getting a decent balance, Only to mess it up with this crappy 1.6 patch.

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Muizer

@Assilma , I hope you'll stay because you're a nice person and the game needs people like you.

And I can understand 1.6 is a bit like pulling the rug from under those who tried to optimise their builds and playstyles. On the other hand, some aspects of the game never felt well balanced and ZoS have publicly acknowledged this over the past 6 months or so. Apparently, part of the game is to anticipate where the devs are taking it.....

Flaminir

So far on average I like it.

I don't like some stuff they did (Or didn't do... looking at you Sorcerer!!!).

But I kinda saw how it was going to go with my main & levelled 1 of each class to see which others I liked playing.... loved the Templar even in 1.5 & have had a great couple of days already... lots of fun on a new toon, and reasonably painless to gain a champion point or two with the content its still got to do. (I have no problem with being a little behind as I hate the grind!).

I guess that with a new toon, going into areas I've not visited in months, using new skills, and new mechanics such as justice... it all just feels new!

And new is exciting!

Dekkameron

The only niggle i have with 1.6 is the new provisioning system, there's just too much stuff!

Thankfully in foresight i crafted about 400 VR10 purple foods in preparation, but my lower level chars are struggling sometimes with ingredients.

Another thing is i wish we had multiple free skill resets as what can seem good in reality is deceiving.

I quickly adapted my old Nightblade Magey type build to 1.6 and they're looking very nice with their new heavy armour.

danno8

If you were a Light Armour anything who was use to being able to trounce all aspects of the game, then you are definitely going to have an adjustment period.

If you were medium armour you should be happy also, as you are relatively stronger now (strongest?).

If you were heavy armour you will have the most survivability now, with the least resource management, a true tank.

Initially I was going to switch my Templar main to a medium armour type, but have since decided to stick with LA for now after playing several hours on PTS. I can't perform ridiculous feats of survival anymore, but it's not too bad, and LA still has way more choice skill wise.

danno8

AbraXuSeXile wrote: »

Why spend a year getting a decent balance, Only to mess it up with this crappy 1.6 patch.

GG

You mean LA >>> everything else? That decent balance? If I were to make a guess I would say all tanks used LA, all healers used LA, and 80% of DPS used LA.

kewl

I can't say its better or worse, just different. ESO is deeply flawed, regardless of version.

Ramtaku

I'm enjoying having to figure things out again, that has always been a significant portion of my gaming enjoyment.

Discounted re spec, at least for CPs would have been nice, as the tasty elf above mentioned.

By tasty I mean as food - definitely V10 food, with carrots and onion.

WebBull

This patch is nothing more than a new type of grind. Change almost everything in the game and players will have to grind, I mean "learn", everything all over again. Nerf the crap out of stam/health/magika/regens/how skills scale/etc and then force players to earn it back through a ridiculous champion system. Make everyone weaker so they can regrind their way back up. Terrible.

Ashtaris

I never thought I would like the Justice system, but to tell you the truth, I'm having a blast with my stealthy rogue Khajiit NB going around stealing everything in sight It's almost addicting.

As far as combat wise, actually my stamina based NB is doing pretty well. I found that Reapers Mark is making a great self heal. Seems like I don't have too much trouble taking down normal mobs, but I haven't done any Undaunted dungeon runs yet so I'll reserve my final judgement until then

Change is always hard, and this is a totally new game system. It's going to take awhile to learn our new builds, gear, and how to best use our Champion points. I do feel that ZOS really should give us free respecs for the next two weeks at least so we can experiment a bit.

Surfinginhawaii

SeptimusDova wrote: »

I am miffed by all of my missing purple foods. It is a major faux pas to steal an imperial's sweet rolls.

The night before the update I created a lot of V5 purple food because I found out pepper will be useless and when I downloaded the update all the V5 purple food was converted to V10 purple food, I lucked out big time .

To the OP I feel your pain, I have 4 characters (3 of which were light armor magicka users) that I don't know were to put my attributes points, what skills I should now use and what I should select for my champion points. I keep checking my favorite eso youtubers (Deltia and Xmovingtarget) and these forums for examples.

vaxure

No complaints here I'm Enjoying it

sagitter

Don't give up, you feel like my first time i was playing 1.6 on pts, i felt lost. After 1 month of testing every armor and every possible build, i ve found my new way to play my char and i like it. Now you have a lot of diversity to find the way that really you like, not like 1.5 that were all light armors dressers and sticks, and ultimate regen exploit. Of course, there are many things to adjust,bugs to fix, just need some time, but i really love the way and the potential of the game right now.

TheBull

I don't know if you run with a EP zerg guild OP, but the AoE cap change has been real hard on them the last couple day.

Bouvin

The stealth nerf of XP and CP from mobs right before launch was pretty lame.

1 hour per CP while enlightened... hahaha...

4 hours while not... hahaha...

bedlom

Welcome to an MMORPG, big change is part of the genre.

TagaParti

a piece of advice from a player whos done same thing.

i played a lot, studied the game, analyzed it, tested everything, and coming up with the Unkillable build which i enjoyed a lot, being unkillable in 1on1 duels.

Until 1.6 came.

I was killable by some very good builds wheni started to play 1.6 with my old build. i took it as a challenge. im doing more tweaking now, studying and testing again, back to the drawing table. im on the hunt again for the best build. and im happy to say, that it wasnt as far as i expected it to be. in few days i can see the light, i am near it. i will get there, and i will enjoy it again until it will be changed.

Dont give up.

GreySix

Who moved my cheese?!

Revage_Curseblood

Hi.

I completely understand how you feel because since launch you and everyone else has been playing a beta and with the 1.6 patch it changed the whole game to a different game. It's not done yet though. It's the first phase of Zenimax new game. I love the animation revamps, some skill changes and such. HOWEVER!!!! What Zenimax is doing to handle these big changes is wrong.

What they are doing is going for what they want far more than what the players want and that is not how you handle an mmo. When you handle an mmo you never go for one part and ignore and/or think less of the other part. What Zenimax has been doing is to limit what the players want to do on some things and one of the worst things is that they lied to the players about the experience gain unless they failed the math completely. They said "In 1.6 it will make it faster to lvl up veteran ranks." It is the complete opposite from that.

Example. They nerfed the experience gain by 3 times, yes 3 times. I'm not exaggerating. 3 times less, meaning it will take 3 times as long to lvl up now. Reasoning behind this is because they don't want people to lvl up not only "too fast" but also to eliminate mob grind and any other methods that gives lvls at a faster rate. So they punished everyone and gave us all the middle finger as their "solution" to that. This is what i mean by going for one part more than the other part and also going for themselves instead of the player. I also know the Veteran ranks will be removed in the *FUTURE* and lvl 50 will probably be the new max lvl and the champion system won't be easy to get points for. However.

This is now. There are months away from that point so right now this is pushing away players that wants to get to the endgame. This is another quota from them "Due to the elimination of Veteran Points, you may need to rethink your leveling strategy a little from what you previously used to doing to gain a Veteran Rank." This is what it says when translated. "We removed Veteran Points so basically what we did was to limit you on what you enjoy doing to level up. Oh and here is my middle finger for you." If you like to mob grind, that's not gonna be enough. If you like quest grind, that's not gonna be enough. If you like doing dungeons, that's not gonna be enough.

What you, the player need to do to lvl up is to do E.V.E.R.Y.T.H.I.N.G. Doing everything is actually not enough either. Everyone will get underleveled for the next zones, especially at Veteran ranks. 100% a Veteran zone will not give you a lvl. You are forced to do everything plus mob grind to lvl up now. If you don't like grinding mobs and other things then no worries, you are forced to do it now anyway to lvl up even if you don't want to. Zenimax removed your choice of leveling. Again, this is now. The removal of Veteran ranks and the full implemention of the champion system are months away. There is no reason to try and lvl up your Veteran characters because it's a waste of time having to spend 3 times more time to lvl them.

It really sucks for everyone that spent so much time on this game just so Zenimax was able to release a change that made all of your time spent wasted. This is again, not how you handle an mmo. I like the animation revamp, some skill changes, the thievery mechanic and such but the way they are handling this is making me and a lot of people very upset and the experience gain change is the worst, especially when they told us it would hasten the time to lvl up but instead do the opposite. Judging from the clarification they made, this experience gain is intended and working as it should except the cap bug which isn't the huge issue here.

I do hope they change this, fix it and learns how to handle an mmo better. I will continue to observe what will happen during the upcoming weeks but right now I'm on the edge. I am very close to quit the game and never look back but again, I'm gonna hold my steed for a while longer before making any decisions yet since i do enjoy the game more after the big change except the huge xp nerf and their poor handling of the game and with their somehow need to limit what the player want to do.

eserras7b16_ESO

Assilma wrote: »

Furthermore I completely agree with those who say that the champion system, 1. is just to make you as good as you were *before 1.6*, and 2. will reward grinding, and punish regular play.

Sorry ZOS, but I really don't care about your justice system, or the provisioning. I'm a PvPer, and the whole thing is completely unbearable, unplayable and awful now. I really hope that things get better enough for me to put time back into this game again, but as it stands, it's a chore to play.

Hi mate,

Just wanted to reply to give you a little hope. I'm playing the new version of the game and i'm not feeling underpowered but many of my friends do, the reason? The many changes to some core mechanics of the game.
While I agree that the game has changed and that if you do exactly what you were doing before you'll feel nerfed, I don't agree that the champion system brings you back to grind again. The reason? I feel more powerfull than before.
And here is where i wanted to end: you're not less powerfull, but you need to remake your build. People is doing veteran arenas like before, people is doing Trials and Veteran dungeons with 70CP and the record times are more or less the same.

You haven't been nerfed, that's a fact.

Now, about the 2nd instrument, that's half true. Some mechanics has changed a lot, but the game is still the same. While you need to adapt, that's a common thing in MMORPG's and to every single process in life. I'm a trumpet player, if trumpets didn't evolve for better they wouldn't sound as good as they do sound now. Take the change as a challenge and build up something different and stronger.

Kind Regards,

Inactive Account

I am enjoying 1.6, so far. Lots to learn and relearn.

I am not a min/maxer so I mean no offence to those who are....

For those out there saying "This got nerfed of that got nerfed", pull you view settings back a bit and look at the BIG picture.
What you have been used to before 1.6 is has now been changed.
Rest you skills, attribute points, and your rotation. You may like what you come up with. (Or Not )


Change does not equal Nerf.

Xjcon

I've got a serious lack of motivation to do anything right now. I'm happy for the thieves they now have something to do.

Sevalaricgirl

nobertpaulb16_ESO wrote: »

I am enjoying 1.6, so far. Lots to learn and relearn.

I am not a min/maxer so I mean no offence to those who are....

For those out there saying "This got nerfed of that got nerfed", pull you view settings back a bit and look at the BIG picture.
What you have been used to before 1.6 is has now been changed.
Rest you skills, attribute points, and your rotation. You may like what you come up with. (Or Not )


Change does not equal Nerf.

I tried everything with my nightblade, spent approx 6000g just to respec and ended up making her a crafter. I'll try it again once someone has some viable builds out there and tested. So far loving my templar 2H/resto staff. I haven't looked in on my DK but I haven't heard anything really bad so far.

Lava_Croft

Too busy levelling Legerdemain. If there's anything the past large patches taught me, it's to stay the *** away from PvP for a while after its deployment to the Live server.

Dreyloch

OP,

I don't know you or how you play, but I see your with EP. Now if your one of those folks that liked to zerg ball and impulse spam, and have 38947465 sorcs spamming wall of flame? Then I have absolutely no sympathy for you. I've come across a group of AD and EP since patch,each trying to clam up in a corner thinking they are going to use that tactic to survive all bunched up.(or worse, try to lag out the server)

Guess what happened? They got obliterated within seconds. This is how the game should have always been. The one skill mindless spammers got eaten by capless AoE. ZoS has done a very good job of making the game better for all by not having us bunch up spamming one skill or spell to crush everyone else, and I for one feel great about that change.
It still needs tweaking here and there, but that's to be expected with such a huge overhaul of the sytem.

Now if your a solo'er, then yeah, maybe some stuff has changed for you. But most good solo'ers are going to learn,adapt,and overcome, any changes to their skills.

The only thing that needs to be fixed asap is the bug with chevrons. On your group mates and the ones showing opposing factions.

UrQuan

Revage_Curseblood wrote: »

They said "In 1.6 it will make it faster to lvl up veteran ranks."

I don't remember ever hearing ZOS say that about 1.6. What's your source?

Stonesthrow

Folkb wrote: »

I can't tell I'm too busy stealing stuff and have yet to leave a city.

I have to admit, this part has been a helluva lot more fun than I thought it would be.

Knight150

No great changes, have improved the game for me, I've now come back, some rough edges but there will be with big changes, haven't seen a game ever pull off massive change without some issues.