I wish everyone that's says Vampire Ultimate is not that great would just stop using it then instead of trying to convince people you like using a crappy ultimate . It's fun to read but oh so funny .
I don't use it.
EDIT: Like I said above, competent Sorcs/Templar Healers don't use it. Only time a Sorcerer can use it is when the group already has more than 8+ other Sorcerers. Templar Healers who use it are incompetent, no if ands or buts.
Templar Healers that are Vampires use Batswarm because it's non-negatable and does more damage than Nova in a quick timespam, making it perfect for small groups. Stauffenburgh would disagree with you, @PenguinInACan would disagree with you, @Akarius_Alexios would disagree with you, there's no one I would rather have healing me more than the three I just mentioned, they've all jumped into Vampire before, I think. Marek might not have.
You can also use Devouring Swarm when you're low on Magicka, and then spam spell symmetry to get that magicka back and not worry about dying because of it, Templars that use Batswarm are smart, not incompetent. Smart.
Sorcerer's use it because it's the best AoE damaging Ultimate they have access to, Atronach is crap, Negate is easily bypassed via Immovable or a simple roll dodge, and Overload is only useful in very very limited scenarios.
Bat Swarm does not bypass the Spell Symmetry heal cut.
Templar healers who use vampire are crutching Mist Form to compensate for their poor positioning. There is no actual advantage to Vampire as a Templar healer, and the very few cases in which Bat Swarm is better than Solar Prison are far too uncommon to justify the serious loss of survivability. I have no idea who those people are, but I'm thinking of the top 5 Templar healers in this game and none of them are Vampires.
The only Sorcerers who use it effectively are those in a guild with enough other Sorcerers to cover the Negates. Negate is powerful because it removes ground effects and heals/restores magicka to full for the entire group (no AoE cap on the heal). The silence is negligible and is not the reason Sorcerers use it.
This, I've been crying from the rooftops to any templar healer who goes vamp to not do it, it gives a MASSIVE loss of survivability for very little gain. As a templar healer there are several ultimate you have as options that should be used over bat swarm because they provide far more significant benefits to the individual/group (nova when you play with competent people who synergize immediately, remembrance (takes some good planning/positioning but this ultimate is godlike if you are in a purifying ritual), barrier, war horn. The benefit of mist form isn't even that great, as trip and others have said it is a crutch to make up for positioning mistakes. Practice positioning enough and you've freed yourself an ability slot (which we desperately need instead of an escape that could focus on more group support) and dropped a ton of risk/liability of damage you take.
Remembrance applies the 30% buff to itself, Purifying Ritual doesn't buff it further.I wish everyone that's says Vampire Ultimate is not that great would just stop using it then instead of trying to convince people you like using a crappy ultimate . It's fun to read but oh so funny .
I don't use it.
EDIT: Like I said above, competent Sorcs/Templar Healers don't use it. Only time a Sorcerer can use it is when the group already has more than 8+ other Sorcerers. Templar Healers who use it are incompetent, no if ands or buts.
Templar Healers that are Vampires use Batswarm because it's non-negatable and does more damage than Nova in a quick timespam, making it perfect for small groups. Stauffenburgh would disagree with you, @PenguinInACan would disagree with you, @Akarius_Alexios would disagree with you, there's no one I would rather have healing me more than the three I just mentioned, they've all jumped into Vampire before, I think. Marek might not have.
You can also use Devouring Swarm when you're low on Magicka, and then spam spell symmetry to get that magicka back and not worry about dying because of it, Templars that use Batswarm are smart, not incompetent. Smart.
Sorcerer's use it because it's the best AoE damaging Ultimate they have access to, Atronach is crap, Negate is easily bypassed via Immovable or a simple roll dodge, and Overload is only useful in very very limited scenarios.
Bat Swarm does not bypass the Spell Symmetry heal cut.
Templar healers who use vampire are crutching Mist Form to compensate for their poor positioning. There is no actual advantage to Vampire as a Templar healer, and the very few cases in which Bat Swarm is better than Solar Prison are far too uncommon to justify the serious loss of survivability. I have no idea who those people are, but I'm thinking of the top 5 Templar healers in this game and none of them are Vampires.
The only Sorcerers who use it effectively are those in a guild with enough other Sorcerers to cover the Negates. Negate is powerful because it removes ground effects and heals/restores magicka to full for the entire group (no AoE cap on the heal). The silence is negligible and is not the reason Sorcerers use it.
It doesn't bypass the heal cut, but if you use spell sym 2-3 times and then need a heal, devouring swarm is there to rescue you, and it doesn't cost magicka. The only time Nova does any actual damage is if someone uses the synergy, otherwise you, I, everyone, could stand in them all day and twiddle our thumbs. Negate is *** poor now in 1.6 as it only negates on the cast, and not indefinitely, meaning we'll be seeing more vampire Sorcs I would imagine.
You're still sitting on a healing debuff for 4 seconds. If you spell symm before Devouring Swarm, you still need to wait 4 seconds for the debuff to clear. Solar Prison does the same amount of damage per second as Bat Swarm, but also has the synergy (which all competent groups synergize instantly).
Spell Symmetry is also a horrible skill for Templars running in a group. I've heard this argument time and time again, but it is truly horrible and I greatly enjoy running into groups who use it. Fellow Templars who have experience in groups who use Spell Symm are surprised by how horribly easily their Templars die due to Spell Symm.
There is one group on AD who believe Spell Symm is godlike, and they are the easiest group to wipe. There are also several members in an Anonymous EP group who use it, and they are hilariously easy to knock out as well. Spell Symmetry is terrible, get some proper magicka management tools and stop crutching on Spell Symmetry, it will make you a better healer.
I wish everyone that's says Vampire Ultimate is not that great would just stop using it then instead of trying to convince people you like using a crappy ultimate . It's fun to read but oh so funny .
I don't use it.
EDIT: Like I said above, competent Sorcs/Templar Healers don't use it. Only time a Sorcerer can use it is when the group already has more than 8+ other Sorcerers. Templar Healers who use it are incompetent, no if ands or buts.
Templar Healers that are Vampires use Batswarm because it's non-negatable and does more damage than Nova in a quick timespam, making it perfect for small groups. Stauffenburgh would disagree with you, @PenguinInACan would disagree with you, @Akarius_Alexios would disagree with you, there's no one I would rather have healing me more than the three I just mentioned, they've all jumped into Vampire before, I think. Marek might not have.
You can also use Devouring Swarm when you're low on Magicka, and then spam spell symmetry to get that magicka back and not worry about dying because of it, Templars that use Batswarm are smart, not incompetent. Smart.
Sorcerer's use it because it's the best AoE damaging Ultimate they have access to, Atronach is crap, Negate is easily bypassed via Immovable or a simple roll dodge, and Overload is only useful in very very limited scenarios.
Bat Swarm does not bypass the Spell Symmetry heal cut.
Templar healers who use vampire are crutching Mist Form to compensate for their poor positioning. There is no actual advantage to Vampire as a Templar healer, and the very few cases in which Bat Swarm is better than Solar Prison are far too uncommon to justify the serious loss of survivability. I have no idea who those people are, but I'm thinking of the top 5 Templar healers in this game and none of them are Vampires.
The only Sorcerers who use it effectively are those in a guild with enough other Sorcerers to cover the Negates. Negate is powerful because it removes ground effects and heals/restores magicka to full for the entire group (no AoE cap on the heal). The silence is negligible and is not the reason Sorcerers use it.
This, I've been crying from the rooftops to any templar healer who goes vamp to not do it, it gives a MASSIVE loss of survivability for very little gain. As a templar healer there are several ultimate you have as options that should be used over bat swarm because they provide far more significant benefits to the individual/group (nova when you play with competent people who synergize immediately, remembrance (takes some good planning/positioning but this ultimate is godlike if you are in a purifying ritual), barrier, war horn. The benefit of mist form isn't even that great, as trip and others have said it is a crutch to make up for positioning mistakes. Practice positioning enough and you've freed yourself an ability slot (which we desperately need instead of an escape that could focus on more group support) and dropped a ton of risk/liability of damage you take.
Remembrance applies the 30% buff to itself, Purifying Ritual doesn't buff it further.I wish everyone that's says Vampire Ultimate is not that great would just stop using it then instead of trying to convince people you like using a crappy ultimate . It's fun to read but oh so funny .
I don't use it.
EDIT: Like I said above, competent Sorcs/Templar Healers don't use it. Only time a Sorcerer can use it is when the group already has more than 8+ other Sorcerers. Templar Healers who use it are incompetent, no if ands or buts.
Templar Healers that are Vampires use Batswarm because it's non-negatable and does more damage than Nova in a quick timespam, making it perfect for small groups. Stauffenburgh would disagree with you, @PenguinInACan would disagree with you, @Akarius_Alexios would disagree with you, there's no one I would rather have healing me more than the three I just mentioned, they've all jumped into Vampire before, I think. Marek might not have.
You can also use Devouring Swarm when you're low on Magicka, and then spam spell symmetry to get that magicka back and not worry about dying because of it, Templars that use Batswarm are smart, not incompetent. Smart.
Sorcerer's use it because it's the best AoE damaging Ultimate they have access to, Atronach is crap, Negate is easily bypassed via Immovable or a simple roll dodge, and Overload is only useful in very very limited scenarios.
Bat Swarm does not bypass the Spell Symmetry heal cut.
Templar healers who use vampire are crutching Mist Form to compensate for their poor positioning. There is no actual advantage to Vampire as a Templar healer, and the very few cases in which Bat Swarm is better than Solar Prison are far too uncommon to justify the serious loss of survivability. I have no idea who those people are, but I'm thinking of the top 5 Templar healers in this game and none of them are Vampires.
The only Sorcerers who use it effectively are those in a guild with enough other Sorcerers to cover the Negates. Negate is powerful because it removes ground effects and heals/restores magicka to full for the entire group (no AoE cap on the heal). The silence is negligible and is not the reason Sorcerers use it.
It doesn't bypass the heal cut, but if you use spell sym 2-3 times and then need a heal, devouring swarm is there to rescue you, and it doesn't cost magicka. The only time Nova does any actual damage is if someone uses the synergy, otherwise you, I, everyone, could stand in them all day and twiddle our thumbs. Negate is *** poor now in 1.6 as it only negates on the cast, and not indefinitely, meaning we'll be seeing more vampire Sorcs I would imagine.
You're still sitting on a healing debuff for 4 seconds. If you spell symm before Devouring Swarm, you still need to wait 4 seconds for the debuff to clear. Solar Prison does the same amount of damage per second as Bat Swarm, but also has the synergy (which all competent groups synergize instantly).
Spell Symmetry is also a horrible skill for Templars running in a group. I've heard this argument time and time again, but it is truly horrible and I greatly enjoy running into groups who use it. Fellow Templars who have experience in groups who use Spell Symm are surprised by how horribly easily their Templars die due to Spell Symm.
There is one group on AD who believe Spell Symm is godlike, and they are the easiest group to wipe. There are also several members in an Anonymous EP group who use it, and they are hilariously easy to knock out as well. Spell Symmetry is terrible, get some proper magicka management tools and stop crutching on Spell Symmetry, it will make you a better healer.
Spell Sym... A crutch... /facedesk
I agree, you can be the best player in the world, but if you need spell sym there will be situations where you use it and you die. Its inevitable, you don't have the foresight to completely prevent it and if you are super careful about using it youll never use it and run out of magicka. Or you can force yourself to have better magicka management through your build, potions, etc. and bring no extra liability/risk to yourself. People don't die because I run out of magicka, I am also saving myself an ability slot for something else.I wish everyone that's says Vampire Ultimate is not that great would just stop using it then instead of trying to convince people you like using a crappy ultimate . It's fun to read but oh so funny .
I don't use it.
EDIT: Like I said above, competent Sorcs/Templar Healers don't use it. Only time a Sorcerer can use it is when the group already has more than 8+ other Sorcerers. Templar Healers who use it are incompetent, no if ands or buts.
Templar Healers that are Vampires use Batswarm because it's non-negatable and does more damage than Nova in a quick timespam, making it perfect for small groups. Stauffenburgh would disagree with you, @PenguinInACan would disagree with you, @Akarius_Alexios would disagree with you, there's no one I would rather have healing me more than the three I just mentioned, they've all jumped into Vampire before, I think. Marek might not have.
You can also use Devouring Swarm when you're low on Magicka, and then spam spell symmetry to get that magicka back and not worry about dying because of it, Templars that use Batswarm are smart, not incompetent. Smart.
Sorcerer's use it because it's the best AoE damaging Ultimate they have access to, Atronach is crap, Negate is easily bypassed via Immovable or a simple roll dodge, and Overload is only useful in very very limited scenarios.
Bat Swarm does not bypass the Spell Symmetry heal cut.
Templar healers who use vampire are crutching Mist Form to compensate for their poor positioning. There is no actual advantage to Vampire as a Templar healer, and the very few cases in which Bat Swarm is better than Solar Prison are far too uncommon to justify the serious loss of survivability. I have no idea who those people are, but I'm thinking of the top 5 Templar healers in this game and none of them are Vampires.
The only Sorcerers who use it effectively are those in a guild with enough other Sorcerers to cover the Negates. Negate is powerful because it removes ground effects and heals/restores magicka to full for the entire group (no AoE cap on the heal). The silence is negligible and is not the reason Sorcerers use it.
This, I've been crying from the rooftops to any templar healer who goes vamp to not do it, it gives a MASSIVE loss of survivability for very little gain. As a templar healer there are several ultimate you have as options that should be used over bat swarm because they provide far more significant benefits to the individual/group (nova when you play with competent people who synergize immediately, remembrance (takes some good planning/positioning but this ultimate is godlike if you are in a purifying ritual), barrier, war horn. The benefit of mist form isn't even that great, as trip and others have said it is a crutch to make up for positioning mistakes. Practice positioning enough and you've freed yourself an ability slot (which we desperately need instead of an escape that could focus on more group support) and dropped a ton of risk/liability of damage you take.
Remembrance applies the 30% buff to itself, Purifying Ritual doesn't buff it further.I wish everyone that's says Vampire Ultimate is not that great would just stop using it then instead of trying to convince people you like using a crappy ultimate . It's fun to read but oh so funny .
I don't use it.
EDIT: Like I said above, competent Sorcs/Templar Healers don't use it. Only time a Sorcerer can use it is when the group already has more than 8+ other Sorcerers. Templar Healers who use it are incompetent, no if ands or buts.
Templar Healers that are Vampires use Batswarm because it's non-negatable and does more damage than Nova in a quick timespam, making it perfect for small groups. Stauffenburgh would disagree with you, @PenguinInACan would disagree with you, @Akarius_Alexios would disagree with you, there's no one I would rather have healing me more than the three I just mentioned, they've all jumped into Vampire before, I think. Marek might not have.
You can also use Devouring Swarm when you're low on Magicka, and then spam spell symmetry to get that magicka back and not worry about dying because of it, Templars that use Batswarm are smart, not incompetent. Smart.
Sorcerer's use it because it's the best AoE damaging Ultimate they have access to, Atronach is crap, Negate is easily bypassed via Immovable or a simple roll dodge, and Overload is only useful in very very limited scenarios.
Bat Swarm does not bypass the Spell Symmetry heal cut.
Templar healers who use vampire are crutching Mist Form to compensate for their poor positioning. There is no actual advantage to Vampire as a Templar healer, and the very few cases in which Bat Swarm is better than Solar Prison are far too uncommon to justify the serious loss of survivability. I have no idea who those people are, but I'm thinking of the top 5 Templar healers in this game and none of them are Vampires.
The only Sorcerers who use it effectively are those in a guild with enough other Sorcerers to cover the Negates. Negate is powerful because it removes ground effects and heals/restores magicka to full for the entire group (no AoE cap on the heal). The silence is negligible and is not the reason Sorcerers use it.
It doesn't bypass the heal cut, but if you use spell sym 2-3 times and then need a heal, devouring swarm is there to rescue you, and it doesn't cost magicka. The only time Nova does any actual damage is if someone uses the synergy, otherwise you, I, everyone, could stand in them all day and twiddle our thumbs. Negate is *** poor now in 1.6 as it only negates on the cast, and not indefinitely, meaning we'll be seeing more vampire Sorcs I would imagine.
You're still sitting on a healing debuff for 4 seconds. If you spell symm before Devouring Swarm, you still need to wait 4 seconds for the debuff to clear. Solar Prison does the same amount of damage per second as Bat Swarm, but also has the synergy (which all competent groups synergize instantly).
Spell Symmetry is also a horrible skill for Templars running in a group. I've heard this argument time and time again, but it is truly horrible and I greatly enjoy running into groups who use it. Fellow Templars who have experience in groups who use Spell Symm are surprised by how horribly easily their Templars die due to Spell Symm.
There is one group on AD who believe Spell Symm is godlike, and they are the easiest group to wipe. There are also several members in an Anonymous EP group who use it, and they are hilariously easy to knock out as well. Spell Symmetry is terrible, get some proper magicka management tools and stop crutching on Spell Symmetry, it will make you a better healer.
Spell Sym... A crutch... /facedesk
I agree, you can be the best player in the world, but if you need spell sym there will be situations where you use it and you die. Its inevitable, you don't have the foresight to completely prevent it and if you are super careful about using it youll never use it and run out of magicka. Or you can force yourself to have better magicka management through your build, potions, etc. and bring no extra liability/risk to yourself. People don't die because I run out of magicka, I am also saving myself an ability slot for something else.I wish everyone that's says Vampire Ultimate is not that great would just stop using it then instead of trying to convince people you like using a crappy ultimate . It's fun to read but oh so funny .
I don't use it.
EDIT: Like I said above, competent Sorcs/Templar Healers don't use it. Only time a Sorcerer can use it is when the group already has more than 8+ other Sorcerers. Templar Healers who use it are incompetent, no if ands or buts.
Templar Healers that are Vampires use Batswarm because it's non-negatable and does more damage than Nova in a quick timespam, making it perfect for small groups. Stauffenburgh would disagree with you, @PenguinInACan would disagree with you, @Akarius_Alexios would disagree with you, there's no one I would rather have healing me more than the three I just mentioned, they've all jumped into Vampire before, I think. Marek might not have.
You can also use Devouring Swarm when you're low on Magicka, and then spam spell symmetry to get that magicka back and not worry about dying because of it, Templars that use Batswarm are smart, not incompetent. Smart.
Sorcerer's use it because it's the best AoE damaging Ultimate they have access to, Atronach is crap, Negate is easily bypassed via Immovable or a simple roll dodge, and Overload is only useful in very very limited scenarios.
Bat Swarm does not bypass the Spell Symmetry heal cut.
Templar healers who use vampire are crutching Mist Form to compensate for their poor positioning. There is no actual advantage to Vampire as a Templar healer, and the very few cases in which Bat Swarm is better than Solar Prison are far too uncommon to justify the serious loss of survivability. I have no idea who those people are, but I'm thinking of the top 5 Templar healers in this game and none of them are Vampires.
The only Sorcerers who use it effectively are those in a guild with enough other Sorcerers to cover the Negates. Negate is powerful because it removes ground effects and heals/restores magicka to full for the entire group (no AoE cap on the heal). The silence is negligible and is not the reason Sorcerers use it.
This, I've been crying from the rooftops to any templar healer who goes vamp to not do it, it gives a MASSIVE loss of survivability for very little gain. As a templar healer there are several ultimate you have as options that should be used over bat swarm because they provide far more significant benefits to the individual/group (nova when you play with competent people who synergize immediately, remembrance (takes some good planning/positioning but this ultimate is godlike if you are in a purifying ritual), barrier, war horn. The benefit of mist form isn't even that great, as trip and others have said it is a crutch to make up for positioning mistakes. Practice positioning enough and you've freed yourself an ability slot (which we desperately need instead of an escape that could focus on more group support) and dropped a ton of risk/liability of damage you take.
Remembrance applies the 30% buff to itself, Purifying Ritual doesn't buff it further.I wish everyone that's says Vampire Ultimate is not that great would just stop using it then instead of trying to convince people you like using a crappy ultimate . It's fun to read but oh so funny .
I don't use it.
EDIT: Like I said above, competent Sorcs/Templar Healers don't use it. Only time a Sorcerer can use it is when the group already has more than 8+ other Sorcerers. Templar Healers who use it are incompetent, no if ands or buts.
Templar Healers that are Vampires use Batswarm because it's non-negatable and does more damage than Nova in a quick timespam, making it perfect for small groups. Stauffenburgh would disagree with you, @PenguinInACan would disagree with you, @Akarius_Alexios would disagree with you, there's no one I would rather have healing me more than the three I just mentioned, they've all jumped into Vampire before, I think. Marek might not have.
You can also use Devouring Swarm when you're low on Magicka, and then spam spell symmetry to get that magicka back and not worry about dying because of it, Templars that use Batswarm are smart, not incompetent. Smart.
Sorcerer's use it because it's the best AoE damaging Ultimate they have access to, Atronach is crap, Negate is easily bypassed via Immovable or a simple roll dodge, and Overload is only useful in very very limited scenarios.
Bat Swarm does not bypass the Spell Symmetry heal cut.
Templar healers who use vampire are crutching Mist Form to compensate for their poor positioning. There is no actual advantage to Vampire as a Templar healer, and the very few cases in which Bat Swarm is better than Solar Prison are far too uncommon to justify the serious loss of survivability. I have no idea who those people are, but I'm thinking of the top 5 Templar healers in this game and none of them are Vampires.
The only Sorcerers who use it effectively are those in a guild with enough other Sorcerers to cover the Negates. Negate is powerful because it removes ground effects and heals/restores magicka to full for the entire group (no AoE cap on the heal). The silence is negligible and is not the reason Sorcerers use it.
It doesn't bypass the heal cut, but if you use spell sym 2-3 times and then need a heal, devouring swarm is there to rescue you, and it doesn't cost magicka. The only time Nova does any actual damage is if someone uses the synergy, otherwise you, I, everyone, could stand in them all day and twiddle our thumbs. Negate is *** poor now in 1.6 as it only negates on the cast, and not indefinitely, meaning we'll be seeing more vampire Sorcs I would imagine.
You're still sitting on a healing debuff for 4 seconds. If you spell symm before Devouring Swarm, you still need to wait 4 seconds for the debuff to clear. Solar Prison does the same amount of damage per second as Bat Swarm, but also has the synergy (which all competent groups synergize instantly).
Spell Symmetry is also a horrible skill for Templars running in a group. I've heard this argument time and time again, but it is truly horrible and I greatly enjoy running into groups who use it. Fellow Templars who have experience in groups who use Spell Symm are surprised by how horribly easily their Templars die due to Spell Symm.
There is one group on AD who believe Spell Symm is godlike, and they are the easiest group to wipe. There are also several members in an Anonymous EP group who use it, and they are hilariously easy to knock out as well. Spell Symmetry is terrible, get some proper magicka management tools and stop crutching on Spell Symmetry, it will make you a better healer.
Spell Sym... A crutch... /facedesk
Spell Symmetry: Barter with Oblivion to trade vitality for power, sacrificing X Health in exchange for Y Magicka.
The exchange prevents you from healing yourself for 4.0 seconds, but you can receive healing from other players.
Also reduces Magicka cost of your next ability activation by 25% if activated within 5.0 seconds.
It isn't a crutch, and it isn't a liability, provided you have more than one Templar in the group, with proper communication and logical thinking it essentially keeps the Templars spamming BoL at a 25% reduced cost alongside any other heals they deem necessary at the time. It requires a functioning Cerebral Cortex, and a group of friends that have played together long enough to have developed the ability to essentially read each others' mind, if all of these requirements are met. It is the single best skill in the game for a group of two or three Templars alternating BoL.
Spell Symmetry a crutch............
I agree, you can be the best player in the world, but if you need spell sym there will be situations where you use it and you die. Its inevitable, you don't have the foresight to completely prevent it and if you are super careful about using it youll never use it and run out of magicka. Or you can force yourself to have better magicka management through your build, potions, etc. and bring no extra liability/risk to yourself. People don't die because I run out of magicka, I am also saving myself an ability slot for something else.I wish everyone that's says Vampire Ultimate is not that great would just stop using it then instead of trying to convince people you like using a crappy ultimate . It's fun to read but oh so funny .
I don't use it.
EDIT: Like I said above, competent Sorcs/Templar Healers don't use it. Only time a Sorcerer can use it is when the group already has more than 8+ other Sorcerers. Templar Healers who use it are incompetent, no if ands or buts.
Templar Healers that are Vampires use Batswarm because it's non-negatable and does more damage than Nova in a quick timespam, making it perfect for small groups. Stauffenburgh would disagree with you, @PenguinInACan would disagree with you, @Akarius_Alexios would disagree with you, there's no one I would rather have healing me more than the three I just mentioned, they've all jumped into Vampire before, I think. Marek might not have.
You can also use Devouring Swarm when you're low on Magicka, and then spam spell symmetry to get that magicka back and not worry about dying because of it, Templars that use Batswarm are smart, not incompetent. Smart.
Sorcerer's use it because it's the best AoE damaging Ultimate they have access to, Atronach is crap, Negate is easily bypassed via Immovable or a simple roll dodge, and Overload is only useful in very very limited scenarios.
Bat Swarm does not bypass the Spell Symmetry heal cut.
Templar healers who use vampire are crutching Mist Form to compensate for their poor positioning. There is no actual advantage to Vampire as a Templar healer, and the very few cases in which Bat Swarm is better than Solar Prison are far too uncommon to justify the serious loss of survivability. I have no idea who those people are, but I'm thinking of the top 5 Templar healers in this game and none of them are Vampires.
The only Sorcerers who use it effectively are those in a guild with enough other Sorcerers to cover the Negates. Negate is powerful because it removes ground effects and heals/restores magicka to full for the entire group (no AoE cap on the heal). The silence is negligible and is not the reason Sorcerers use it.
This, I've been crying from the rooftops to any templar healer who goes vamp to not do it, it gives a MASSIVE loss of survivability for very little gain. As a templar healer there are several ultimate you have as options that should be used over bat swarm because they provide far more significant benefits to the individual/group (nova when you play with competent people who synergize immediately, remembrance (takes some good planning/positioning but this ultimate is godlike if you are in a purifying ritual), barrier, war horn. The benefit of mist form isn't even that great, as trip and others have said it is a crutch to make up for positioning mistakes. Practice positioning enough and you've freed yourself an ability slot (which we desperately need instead of an escape that could focus on more group support) and dropped a ton of risk/liability of damage you take.
Remembrance applies the 30% buff to itself, Purifying Ritual doesn't buff it further.I wish everyone that's says Vampire Ultimate is not that great would just stop using it then instead of trying to convince people you like using a crappy ultimate . It's fun to read but oh so funny .
I don't use it.
EDIT: Like I said above, competent Sorcs/Templar Healers don't use it. Only time a Sorcerer can use it is when the group already has more than 8+ other Sorcerers. Templar Healers who use it are incompetent, no if ands or buts.
Templar Healers that are Vampires use Batswarm because it's non-negatable and does more damage than Nova in a quick timespam, making it perfect for small groups. Stauffenburgh would disagree with you, @PenguinInACan would disagree with you, @Akarius_Alexios would disagree with you, there's no one I would rather have healing me more than the three I just mentioned, they've all jumped into Vampire before, I think. Marek might not have.
You can also use Devouring Swarm when you're low on Magicka, and then spam spell symmetry to get that magicka back and not worry about dying because of it, Templars that use Batswarm are smart, not incompetent. Smart.
Sorcerer's use it because it's the best AoE damaging Ultimate they have access to, Atronach is crap, Negate is easily bypassed via Immovable or a simple roll dodge, and Overload is only useful in very very limited scenarios.
Bat Swarm does not bypass the Spell Symmetry heal cut.
Templar healers who use vampire are crutching Mist Form to compensate for their poor positioning. There is no actual advantage to Vampire as a Templar healer, and the very few cases in which Bat Swarm is better than Solar Prison are far too uncommon to justify the serious loss of survivability. I have no idea who those people are, but I'm thinking of the top 5 Templar healers in this game and none of them are Vampires.
The only Sorcerers who use it effectively are those in a guild with enough other Sorcerers to cover the Negates. Negate is powerful because it removes ground effects and heals/restores magicka to full for the entire group (no AoE cap on the heal). The silence is negligible and is not the reason Sorcerers use it.
It doesn't bypass the heal cut, but if you use spell sym 2-3 times and then need a heal, devouring swarm is there to rescue you, and it doesn't cost magicka. The only time Nova does any actual damage is if someone uses the synergy, otherwise you, I, everyone, could stand in them all day and twiddle our thumbs. Negate is *** poor now in 1.6 as it only negates on the cast, and not indefinitely, meaning we'll be seeing more vampire Sorcs I would imagine.
You're still sitting on a healing debuff for 4 seconds. If you spell symm before Devouring Swarm, you still need to wait 4 seconds for the debuff to clear. Solar Prison does the same amount of damage per second as Bat Swarm, but also has the synergy (which all competent groups synergize instantly).
Spell Symmetry is also a horrible skill for Templars running in a group. I've heard this argument time and time again, but it is truly horrible and I greatly enjoy running into groups who use it. Fellow Templars who have experience in groups who use Spell Symm are surprised by how horribly easily their Templars die due to Spell Symm.
There is one group on AD who believe Spell Symm is godlike, and they are the easiest group to wipe. There are also several members in an Anonymous EP group who use it, and they are hilariously easy to knock out as well. Spell Symmetry is terrible, get some proper magicka management tools and stop crutching on Spell Symmetry, it will make you a better healer.
Spell Sym... A crutch... /facedesk
Spell Symmetry: Barter with Oblivion to trade vitality for power, sacrificing X Health in exchange for Y Magicka.
The exchange prevents you from healing yourself for 4.0 seconds, but you can receive healing from other players.
Also reduces Magicka cost of your next ability activation by 25% if activated within 5.0 seconds.
It isn't a crutch, and it isn't a liability, provided you have more than one Templar in the group, with proper communication and logical thinking it essentially keeps the Templars spamming BoL at a 25% reduced cost alongside any other heals they deem necessary at the time. It requires a functioning Cerebral Cortex, and a group of friends that have played together long enough to have developed the ability to essentially read each others' mind, if all of these requirements are met. It is the single best skill in the game for a group of two or three Templars alternating BoL.
Spell Symmetry a crutch............
I feel it is very naive to think that your templars are alwasys immediately healing each other when they spell symm allowing no risk whatsoever of using spell sym. That just isn't the case, especially since spell sym coupled with damage to other players where only BOL is being used just can't cover everyone and you bring chance into the equation of who gets healed (thanks to smart heals). If the healer who spell symmed takes a primary heal away from someone who needed it (aka the main burst from BOL) you keep have just killed someone else while also risking yourself. Unless you run like 50% templars it simply is too high of a risk imo. In a big fight everyone in your group is taking damage, lets say you run what, 3-5 healers? if you run more than well more power to you but you aren't going to kill anything. If they are all spell symming they are at least eating 1/3 of a target BOL of their same number of BOL's thats a lot of healing shifted AWAY from your tanks/dps who are taking damage along with the healers also taking damage.
Once again, my opinion and everyone is entitled to play the way they want, but claiming it isn't a liability is just not true.
Your comments regarding Undeath, the lack of downside to Vampire, etc. Are completely wrong. Evil Hunter increases average damage output by 20+%, and the Slayer and Banish The Wicked passives which every player in the game has make Vampire's damage mitigation substantially weaker.
Vampires receive 33% damage mitigation while under 30% health (scaling linearly from 50%). This means they receive 109% damage while above 50%, 91.015% (on average) between 30% and 50%, and 73.03% under 30%. This means vampires take an average of 94.603% of the damage than a non-vampire player takes. They also produce an additional 9 ultimate for the attacker when killed.
I agree, you can be the best player in the world, but if you need spell sym there will be situations where you use it and you die. Its inevitable, you don't have the foresight to completely prevent it and if you are super careful about using it youll never use it and run out of magicka. Or you can force yourself to have better magicka management through your build, potions, etc. and bring no extra liability/risk to yourself. People don't die because I run out of magicka, I am also saving myself an ability slot for something else.I wish everyone that's says Vampire Ultimate is not that great would just stop using it then instead of trying to convince people you like using a crappy ultimate . It's fun to read but oh so funny .
I don't use it.
EDIT: Like I said above, competent Sorcs/Templar Healers don't use it. Only time a Sorcerer can use it is when the group already has more than 8+ other Sorcerers. Templar Healers who use it are incompetent, no if ands or buts.
Templar Healers that are Vampires use Batswarm because it's non-negatable and does more damage than Nova in a quick timespam, making it perfect for small groups. Stauffenburgh would disagree with you, @PenguinInACan would disagree with you, @Akarius_Alexios would disagree with you, there's no one I would rather have healing me more than the three I just mentioned, they've all jumped into Vampire before, I think. Marek might not have.
You can also use Devouring Swarm when you're low on Magicka, and then spam spell symmetry to get that magicka back and not worry about dying because of it, Templars that use Batswarm are smart, not incompetent. Smart.
Sorcerer's use it because it's the best AoE damaging Ultimate they have access to, Atronach is crap, Negate is easily bypassed via Immovable or a simple roll dodge, and Overload is only useful in very very limited scenarios.
Bat Swarm does not bypass the Spell Symmetry heal cut.
Templar healers who use vampire are crutching Mist Form to compensate for their poor positioning. There is no actual advantage to Vampire as a Templar healer, and the very few cases in which Bat Swarm is better than Solar Prison are far too uncommon to justify the serious loss of survivability. I have no idea who those people are, but I'm thinking of the top 5 Templar healers in this game and none of them are Vampires.
The only Sorcerers who use it effectively are those in a guild with enough other Sorcerers to cover the Negates. Negate is powerful because it removes ground effects and heals/restores magicka to full for the entire group (no AoE cap on the heal). The silence is negligible and is not the reason Sorcerers use it.
This, I've been crying from the rooftops to any templar healer who goes vamp to not do it, it gives a MASSIVE loss of survivability for very little gain. As a templar healer there are several ultimate you have as options that should be used over bat swarm because they provide far more significant benefits to the individual/group (nova when you play with competent people who synergize immediately, remembrance (takes some good planning/positioning but this ultimate is godlike if you are in a purifying ritual), barrier, war horn. The benefit of mist form isn't even that great, as trip and others have said it is a crutch to make up for positioning mistakes. Practice positioning enough and you've freed yourself an ability slot (which we desperately need instead of an escape that could focus on more group support) and dropped a ton of risk/liability of damage you take.
Remembrance applies the 30% buff to itself, Purifying Ritual doesn't buff it further.I wish everyone that's says Vampire Ultimate is not that great would just stop using it then instead of trying to convince people you like using a crappy ultimate . It's fun to read but oh so funny .
I don't use it.
EDIT: Like I said above, competent Sorcs/Templar Healers don't use it. Only time a Sorcerer can use it is when the group already has more than 8+ other Sorcerers. Templar Healers who use it are incompetent, no if ands or buts.
Templar Healers that are Vampires use Batswarm because it's non-negatable and does more damage than Nova in a quick timespam, making it perfect for small groups. Stauffenburgh would disagree with you, @PenguinInACan would disagree with you, @Akarius_Alexios would disagree with you, there's no one I would rather have healing me more than the three I just mentioned, they've all jumped into Vampire before, I think. Marek might not have.
You can also use Devouring Swarm when you're low on Magicka, and then spam spell symmetry to get that magicka back and not worry about dying because of it, Templars that use Batswarm are smart, not incompetent. Smart.
Sorcerer's use it because it's the best AoE damaging Ultimate they have access to, Atronach is crap, Negate is easily bypassed via Immovable or a simple roll dodge, and Overload is only useful in very very limited scenarios.
Bat Swarm does not bypass the Spell Symmetry heal cut.
Templar healers who use vampire are crutching Mist Form to compensate for their poor positioning. There is no actual advantage to Vampire as a Templar healer, and the very few cases in which Bat Swarm is better than Solar Prison are far too uncommon to justify the serious loss of survivability. I have no idea who those people are, but I'm thinking of the top 5 Templar healers in this game and none of them are Vampires.
The only Sorcerers who use it effectively are those in a guild with enough other Sorcerers to cover the Negates. Negate is powerful because it removes ground effects and heals/restores magicka to full for the entire group (no AoE cap on the heal). The silence is negligible and is not the reason Sorcerers use it.
It doesn't bypass the heal cut, but if you use spell sym 2-3 times and then need a heal, devouring swarm is there to rescue you, and it doesn't cost magicka. The only time Nova does any actual damage is if someone uses the synergy, otherwise you, I, everyone, could stand in them all day and twiddle our thumbs. Negate is *** poor now in 1.6 as it only negates on the cast, and not indefinitely, meaning we'll be seeing more vampire Sorcs I would imagine.
You're still sitting on a healing debuff for 4 seconds. If you spell symm before Devouring Swarm, you still need to wait 4 seconds for the debuff to clear. Solar Prison does the same amount of damage per second as Bat Swarm, but also has the synergy (which all competent groups synergize instantly).
Spell Symmetry is also a horrible skill for Templars running in a group. I've heard this argument time and time again, but it is truly horrible and I greatly enjoy running into groups who use it. Fellow Templars who have experience in groups who use Spell Symm are surprised by how horribly easily their Templars die due to Spell Symm.
There is one group on AD who believe Spell Symm is godlike, and they are the easiest group to wipe. There are also several members in an Anonymous EP group who use it, and they are hilariously easy to knock out as well. Spell Symmetry is terrible, get some proper magicka management tools and stop crutching on Spell Symmetry, it will make you a better healer.
Spell Sym... A crutch... /facedesk
Spell Symmetry: Barter with Oblivion to trade vitality for power, sacrificing X Health in exchange for Y Magicka.
The exchange prevents you from healing yourself for 4.0 seconds, but you can receive healing from other players.
Also reduces Magicka cost of your next ability activation by 25% if activated within 5.0 seconds.
It isn't a crutch, and it isn't a liability, provided you have more than one Templar in the group, with proper communication and logical thinking it essentially keeps the Templars spamming BoL at a 25% reduced cost alongside any other heals they deem necessary at the time. It requires a functioning Cerebral Cortex, and a group of friends that have played together long enough to have developed the ability to essentially read each others' mind, if all of these requirements are met. It is the single best skill in the game for a group of two or three Templars alternating BoL.
Spell Symmetry a crutch............
I agree, you can be the best player in the world, but if you need spell sym there will be situations where you use it and you die. Its inevitable, you don't have the foresight to completely prevent it and if you are super careful about using it youll never use it and run out of magicka. Or you can force yourself to have better magicka management through your build, potions, etc. and bring no extra liability/risk to yourself. People don't die because I run out of magicka, I am also saving myself an ability slot for something else.I wish everyone that's says Vampire Ultimate is not that great would just stop using it then instead of trying to convince people you like using a crappy ultimate . It's fun to read but oh so funny .
I don't use it.
EDIT: Like I said above, competent Sorcs/Templar Healers don't use it. Only time a Sorcerer can use it is when the group already has more than 8+ other Sorcerers. Templar Healers who use it are incompetent, no if ands or buts.
Templar Healers that are Vampires use Batswarm because it's non-negatable and does more damage than Nova in a quick timespam, making it perfect for small groups. Stauffenburgh would disagree with you, @PenguinInACan would disagree with you, @Akarius_Alexios would disagree with you, there's no one I would rather have healing me more than the three I just mentioned, they've all jumped into Vampire before, I think. Marek might not have.
You can also use Devouring Swarm when you're low on Magicka, and then spam spell symmetry to get that magicka back and not worry about dying because of it, Templars that use Batswarm are smart, not incompetent. Smart.
Sorcerer's use it because it's the best AoE damaging Ultimate they have access to, Atronach is crap, Negate is easily bypassed via Immovable or a simple roll dodge, and Overload is only useful in very very limited scenarios.
Bat Swarm does not bypass the Spell Symmetry heal cut.
Templar healers who use vampire are crutching Mist Form to compensate for their poor positioning. There is no actual advantage to Vampire as a Templar healer, and the very few cases in which Bat Swarm is better than Solar Prison are far too uncommon to justify the serious loss of survivability. I have no idea who those people are, but I'm thinking of the top 5 Templar healers in this game and none of them are Vampires.
The only Sorcerers who use it effectively are those in a guild with enough other Sorcerers to cover the Negates. Negate is powerful because it removes ground effects and heals/restores magicka to full for the entire group (no AoE cap on the heal). The silence is negligible and is not the reason Sorcerers use it.
This, I've been crying from the rooftops to any templar healer who goes vamp to not do it, it gives a MASSIVE loss of survivability for very little gain. As a templar healer there are several ultimate you have as options that should be used over bat swarm because they provide far more significant benefits to the individual/group (nova when you play with competent people who synergize immediately, remembrance (takes some good planning/positioning but this ultimate is godlike if you are in a purifying ritual), barrier, war horn. The benefit of mist form isn't even that great, as trip and others have said it is a crutch to make up for positioning mistakes. Practice positioning enough and you've freed yourself an ability slot (which we desperately need instead of an escape that could focus on more group support) and dropped a ton of risk/liability of damage you take.
Remembrance applies the 30% buff to itself, Purifying Ritual doesn't buff it further.I wish everyone that's says Vampire Ultimate is not that great would just stop using it then instead of trying to convince people you like using a crappy ultimate . It's fun to read but oh so funny .
I don't use it.
EDIT: Like I said above, competent Sorcs/Templar Healers don't use it. Only time a Sorcerer can use it is when the group already has more than 8+ other Sorcerers. Templar Healers who use it are incompetent, no if ands or buts.
Templar Healers that are Vampires use Batswarm because it's non-negatable and does more damage than Nova in a quick timespam, making it perfect for small groups. Stauffenburgh would disagree with you, @PenguinInACan would disagree with you, @Akarius_Alexios would disagree with you, there's no one I would rather have healing me more than the three I just mentioned, they've all jumped into Vampire before, I think. Marek might not have.
You can also use Devouring Swarm when you're low on Magicka, and then spam spell symmetry to get that magicka back and not worry about dying because of it, Templars that use Batswarm are smart, not incompetent. Smart.
Sorcerer's use it because it's the best AoE damaging Ultimate they have access to, Atronach is crap, Negate is easily bypassed via Immovable or a simple roll dodge, and Overload is only useful in very very limited scenarios.
Bat Swarm does not bypass the Spell Symmetry heal cut.
Templar healers who use vampire are crutching Mist Form to compensate for their poor positioning. There is no actual advantage to Vampire as a Templar healer, and the very few cases in which Bat Swarm is better than Solar Prison are far too uncommon to justify the serious loss of survivability. I have no idea who those people are, but I'm thinking of the top 5 Templar healers in this game and none of them are Vampires.
The only Sorcerers who use it effectively are those in a guild with enough other Sorcerers to cover the Negates. Negate is powerful because it removes ground effects and heals/restores magicka to full for the entire group (no AoE cap on the heal). The silence is negligible and is not the reason Sorcerers use it.
It doesn't bypass the heal cut, but if you use spell sym 2-3 times and then need a heal, devouring swarm is there to rescue you, and it doesn't cost magicka. The only time Nova does any actual damage is if someone uses the synergy, otherwise you, I, everyone, could stand in them all day and twiddle our thumbs. Negate is *** poor now in 1.6 as it only negates on the cast, and not indefinitely, meaning we'll be seeing more vampire Sorcs I would imagine.
You're still sitting on a healing debuff for 4 seconds. If you spell symm before Devouring Swarm, you still need to wait 4 seconds for the debuff to clear. Solar Prison does the same amount of damage per second as Bat Swarm, but also has the synergy (which all competent groups synergize instantly).
Spell Symmetry is also a horrible skill for Templars running in a group. I've heard this argument time and time again, but it is truly horrible and I greatly enjoy running into groups who use it. Fellow Templars who have experience in groups who use Spell Symm are surprised by how horribly easily their Templars die due to Spell Symm.
There is one group on AD who believe Spell Symm is godlike, and they are the easiest group to wipe. There are also several members in an Anonymous EP group who use it, and they are hilariously easy to knock out as well. Spell Symmetry is terrible, get some proper magicka management tools and stop crutching on Spell Symmetry, it will make you a better healer.
Spell Sym... A crutch... /facedesk
Spell Symmetry: Barter with Oblivion to trade vitality for power, sacrificing X Health in exchange for Y Magicka.
The exchange prevents you from healing yourself for 4.0 seconds, but you can receive healing from other players.
Also reduces Magicka cost of your next ability activation by 25% if activated within 5.0 seconds.
It isn't a crutch, and it isn't a liability, provided you have more than one Templar in the group, with proper communication and logical thinking it essentially keeps the Templars spamming BoL at a 25% reduced cost alongside any other heals they deem necessary at the time. It requires a functioning Cerebral Cortex, and a group of friends that have played together long enough to have developed the ability to essentially read each others' mind, if all of these requirements are met. It is the single best skill in the game for a group of two or three Templars alternating BoL.
Spell Symmetry a crutch............
I feel it is very naive to think that your templars are alwasys immediately healing each other when they spell symm allowing no risk whatsoever of using spell sym. That just isn't the case, especially since spell sym coupled with damage to other players where only BOL is being used just can't cover everyone and you bring chance into the equation of who gets healed (thanks to smart heals). If the healer who spell symmed takes a primary heal away from someone who needed it (aka the main burst from BOL) you keep have just killed someone else while also risking yourself. Unless you run like 50% templars it simply is too high of a risk imo. In a big fight everyone in your group is taking damage, lets say you run what, 3-5 healers? if you run more than well more power to you but you aren't going to kill anything. If they are all spell symming they are at least eating 1/3 of a target BOL of their same number of BOL's thats a lot of healing shifted AWAY from your tanks/dps who are taking damage along with the healers also taking damage.
Once again, my opinion and everyone is entitled to play the way they want, but claiming it isn't a liability is just not true.
WraithAzraiel wrote: »[WraithAzraiel wrote: »
I had Vampirism and cured it after a few days....its as close to god mode as you can get...its impossible to die during Devouring Swarm pretty much as long as you pop Unstopable prior....outside of the rare Silver Bolt proc...its X amount of seconds of darn invincibility that can't be negated, why wouldn't anyone use this. For the love of Talos, please put vampires back on their Lore basis, Their is no way Lamae Vamps can be how they are in this gfame, only Calvicus Vile could give them that ability and he has a steep price i doubt Lamae would be willing to wager.
Incorrect.
As a Nightblade, no matter WHEN I pop Devouring Swarm I more often than not, end up dying. 9 times out of 10.
Might not be how it works for damage shield, Immovable, Sword and Board/Destro DK's but I've never been able to hit Devouring Swarm and become instantly all powerful.
Your base class and the amount of Ultimate Cost reduction you have stacked, make all the difference to being a Vampire.
Why do you think all(most) the Vampires you see in Cyrodiil are DK's or Sorcs?
As a NB, why Devouring Swarm?
Exactly. It's not the be all end all ultimate everyone thinks it is. I use it as evidence to that fact. Otherwise I'm using VoB or Soul Tether for PvP.
You misunderstand. As a NB, why not use Clouding Swarm?
It is clear that you, like all Spell Symm Templars, will not be convinced otherwise. I'll just need to remember that you are a Spell Symm Templar and never invite you to groups. You'll notice that none of the top Templar healers use it.
Remember, your Breath of Life does not discriminate. If you are the lowest health target it will still heal you even though its effectiveness is reduced by 100%.
PenguinInACan wrote: »I think Panda is thinking we use spell sym a lot more than we actually do.
It is 100 percent situational and is always accompanied by a "hey I'm spell symming" in ts. We don't use it in large incoming aoe dps situations because the smart heals kill it. It's only spammed when we need to keep huge burst on our DKs that jump up walls and tank 6-10 people at a time. 75 percent of the time our templars don't even have it slotted.
It's a fun change of pace from the optimal healing setups and helps work on other situational awareness skills.
dap_robertb16_ESO wrote: »dap_robertb16_ESO wrote: »Has anyone tested that Caltrops + Evil Hunter combo to see if it really does make caltrops damage vampires more ? I haven't and I'm just going on what looks like by the animation is the weapon currently equipped appears to have the buff .
I've heard Evil Hunter and Camoflauge Hunter effects other abilities but haven't heard of anyone posting test results .
Same goes for Evil Hunter + Clouding/Devouring Swarm.
What better way of trolling than killing other vamps with anti-vamp and vamp abilities.
Clouding and Devouring Swarm are considered a DOT which prevents Evil Hunter from proccing. Caltrops is unintentionally considered direct damage which causes Evil Hunter to proc.
Tell that to my death recap of bats and evil hunter (twice)
dap_robertb16_ESO wrote: »dap_robertb16_ESO wrote: »Has anyone tested that Caltrops + Evil Hunter combo to see if it really does make caltrops damage vampires more ? I haven't and I'm just going on what looks like by the animation is the weapon currently equipped appears to have the buff .
I've heard Evil Hunter and Camoflauge Hunter effects other abilities but haven't heard of anyone posting test results .
Same goes for Evil Hunter + Clouding/Devouring Swarm.
What better way of trolling than killing other vamps with anti-vamp and vamp abilities.
Clouding and Devouring Swarm are considered a DOT which prevents Evil Hunter from proccing. Caltrops is unintentionally considered direct damage which causes Evil Hunter to proc.
Tell that to my death recap of bats and evil hunter (twice)
Figured I'd go ahead and test this for you. This was against 4 Daedra, using Blockade of Fire and Devouring Swarm with Expert Hunter active.
Your comments regarding Undeath, the lack of downside to Vampire, etc. Are completely wrong. Evil Hunter increases average damage output by 20+%, and the Slayer and Banish The Wicked passives which every player in the game has make Vampire's damage mitigation substantially weaker.
Vampires receive 33% damage mitigation while under 30% health (scaling linearly from 50%). This means they receive 109% damage while above 50%, 91.015% (on average) between 30% and 50%, and 73.03% under 30%. This means vampires take an average of 94.603% of the damage than a non-vampire player takes. They also produce an additional 9 ultimate for the attacker when killed.
Lets factor Evil Hunter shall we? I'm going to use Dark Flare as my standard skill because it only hits once and it deals a fairly average amount of single target damage. We're not going to factor spell resistance or armor because they apply equally to both Vampires and non-vampires. We're not going to factor spell critical for the same reason.
My Dark Flare deals 643 magic damage, and my Expert Hunter deals 388 magic damage. Assuming a 20% proc rate, that means Expert Hunter adds an average of 77.6 extra damage to my Dark Flare. However, Vampires mitigate an average of 5.397% damage, which means that my Dark Flare with Expert Hunter deals (643+77.6)*0.94603 = 681.71 damage! Using Expert Hunter causes Vampires to take more damage on average than non-Vampires! That is 6% extra damage.
Additionally, lets not ignore AoE spells. Expert Hunter is even more useful for AoE spells since its damage is fixed and AoE spells deal less damage per target. I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and use my Sorcerer for this calculation, since her Impulse hits harder than my Templar's.
My Impulse deals 255 damage, and my Expert Hunter deals 374 damage (different character remember). With a 20% proc rate, that means Expert Hunter adds an average of 74.8 damage. (255+74.8)*0.94603 = 312 damage. That is 22.35% extra damage compared to a non-vampire.
Lets not forget that Vampires take 50% increased damage from fire, and one of the 4 classes in this game deals exclusively fire damage, the primary defensive siege deals fire damage, and most staff users use a fire staff.
Please, instead of complaining about Vampires and how overpowered they are(n't), consider simply running one or more of the numerous counters. People aren't running Vampire because Vampire is overpowered. People are running Vampire because Sorcerers are overpowered, and the only effective ultimate in the current Sorcerer meta is Batswarm.
EDIT: Lets finally remember that competent Sorcerers and most competent Templars (except the very select few who actually pull off the tanky DPS build) do not run Vampire.
EDIT2: I figured I should calculate Impulse + Expert Hunter damage at >30% health. (255+74.8)*0.67*1.09 = 240.85294 damage. That is 94.45% damage compared to a non-vampire. This means a vampire under 30% health (maximum Undeath benefit) takes only 5.55% less damage than a non-vampire with Expert Hunter, but also receives 50% more damage from Fire and grants an additional 9 ultimate when killed. Lets not forget that procing Evil Hunter also restores stamina to the attacker.
There is no actual advantage to Vampire as a Templar healer, and the very few cases in which Bat Swarm is better than Solar Prison are far too uncommon to justify the serious loss of survivability. I have no idea who those people are, but I'm thinking of the top 5 Templar healers in this game and none of them are Vampires.
Joy_Division wrote: »There is no actual advantage to Vampire as a Templar healer, and the very few cases in which Bat Swarm is better than Solar Prison are far too uncommon to justify the serious loss of survivability. I have no idea who those people are, but I'm thinking of the top 5 Templar healers in this game and none of them are Vampires.
While I agree with your points refuting the OP's incorrect assertions about vampire and his lore-friendly but eviscerating proposed changes that would make vampires useless in an MMO environment, what you have listed here is highly debatable.
Vampirism grants healers additional magic regeneration, which is valued highly by them, for little opportunity cost (the stamina extra regen is also quite handy). The Undeath passive also grants healers more resilience, which is very helpful since healers wear light armor. The extra stealth speed and mist form option is just gravy. The fire weakness theme that gets thrown around is quite exaggerated. For the cost of a single fire resistance rune or a race choice this weakness is effectively countered. My vampire has compelled City of Ash numerous times.
I will say that it usually better for a healer Templar to drop a Nova than use batswarm. That being said Nova is an expensive ultimate and sometimes it isn't ready when an ultimate needs to be dropped.
Philelectric wrote: »Pro tip for Elder Scroll Fanboys.
[...]
100% stam and mag regen reduction is 100% ''insert bad word here'' and gamebreaking. Especially if you take a look at things like Hell Ra citadel. Its outdoors during daytime for a long time in this trial. also, Vamps wont be able to PvP half the time.
Any decent person will understand that Non lore friendly is 200% better than gamebreaking.
Joy_Division wrote: »There is no actual advantage to Vampire as a Templar healer, and the very few cases in which Bat Swarm is better than Solar Prison are far too uncommon to justify the serious loss of survivability. I have no idea who those people are, but I'm thinking of the top 5 Templar healers in this game and none of them are Vampires.
While I agree with your points refuting the OP's incorrect assertions about vampire and his lore-friendly but eviscerating proposed changes that would make vampires useless in an MMO environment, what you have listed here is highly debatable.
Vampirism grants healers additional magic regeneration, which is valued highly by them, for little opportunity cost (the stamina extra regen is also quite handy). The Undeath passive also grants healers more resilience, which is very helpful since healers wear light armor. The extra stealth speed and mist form option is just gravy. The fire weakness theme that gets thrown around is quite exaggerated. For the cost of a single fire resistance rune or a race choice this weakness is effectively countered. My vampire has compelled City of Ash numerous times.
I will say that it usually better for a healer Templar to drop a Nova than use batswarm. That being said Nova is an expensive ultimate and sometimes it isn't ready when an ultimate needs to be dropped.
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