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Wayshrines where did they come from?
Wayshrines are all over the place. Yet in every Elder Scrolls game, they don't exist. I know in Skyrim Dawnguard DLC Wayshrines for the Forgotten Vale were introduced. However they were one time travel and useless after. They also didn't exist outside Forgotten Vale.
So can someone explain to me where these immersion break eye sores come from and why aren't they around in the series?
So can someone explain to me where these immersion break eye sores come from and why aren't they around in the series?
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Iago✭✭✭✭✭I am guessing that they are left over Ayleid relics that were destroyed and forgotten about by the time the events of Oblivion takes place.That which we obtain to cheap we esteem to lightly, it is dearness only that gives everything its value.
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Iago✭✭✭✭✭rogue_gamer32b14_ESO wrote: »
That's true but there were no Ayleid ruins on Vardenfall or Solstheim. I cannot speak to the other games as I have not played those. However I see very little other explanation for them, as they do closely resemble the Wayshrines of the snow elves and the Snow elves and Ayleids employ remarkably similar architecture.That which we obtain to cheap we esteem to lightly, it is dearness only that gives everything its value.
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I do hope you realise that ESO comes before the ENTIRE TES game timeline, right?rogue_gamer32b14_ESO wrote: »
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✭Want a work-around? Walk everywhere. Problem solved.
I do hope you realise that ESO comes before the ENTIRE TES timeline, right?
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I do hope you realise that ESO comes before the ENTIRE TES timeline, right?
Then everything fits perfectly. If ESO is now the earliest game chronologically, then the answer is simple... the wayshrines are Ayleid devices that will either break down and decay or be destroyed sometime between the events of ESO and Redguard (the formerly earliest game in the chronology).
Easy.
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✭✭Oh, and here's another one, I'm sure they are of a similar magical structure to these, http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Morrowind:Propylon_Chamber
But weaker, as only soul shriven seem to be able to use them through a special condition.Edited by Shunravi on February 9, 2015 1:55AMThis one has an eloquent and well thought out response to tha... Ooh sweetroll!3 -
Iago✭✭✭✭✭Oh, and here's another one, I'm sure they are of a similar magical structure to these, http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Morrowind:Propylon_Chamber
But weaker, as only soul shriven seem to be able to use them through a special condition.
although i have always wondered why the Dunmer abandoned the use of this technologyThat which we obtain to cheap we esteem to lightly, it is dearness only that gives everything its value.
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Yup http://www.ign.com/wikis/elder-scrolls-online/Elder_Scrolls_Timeline
And we even have irl examples of what could have happened to them. Stonehenge and ruins like it were pillaged for materials http://abyss.uoregon.edu/~js/glossary/stonehenge.html
Even the great pyramid isn't safe. After an earthquake, most of its outer casing stones were used to build in Cairo. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Pyramid_of_GizaEdited by Shunravi on February 9, 2015 2:18AMThis one has an eloquent and well thought out response to tha... Ooh sweetroll!2 -
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✭I do hope you realise that ESO comes before the ENTIRE TES timeline, right?
I was joking.... ESO takes place in the 2nd era, 582.
http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Timeline
It takes place in the middle-ish of the entire TES timeline... Not before any of it. If it took place before the entire TES timeline, none of the current races would exist except for maybe the Akaviri races.... So umm... yea...
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Redguard and Online are, in terms of timeline order, are the 'first' Elder Scrolls games.
"The Second Era - Also known as the "Common Era", includes the rule of the Akaviri Potentates, as well as the 400-year time period known as the Interregnum. The Elder Scrolls Online and Redguard take place in this era."
ESO comes before Redguard, by a few hundred years.... There's still a good thousand + years in TES lore before ESO happens. You need to reword "ENTIRE"
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Iago✭✭✭✭✭I do hope you realise that ESO comes before the ENTIRE TES timeline, right?
I was joking.... ESO takes place in the 2nd era, 582.
http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Timeline
It takes place in the middle-ish of the entire TES timeline... Not before any of it. If it took place before the entire TES timeline, none of the current races would exist except for maybe the Akaviri races.... So umm... yea...
Edit:
Redguard and Online are, in terms of timeline order, the 'first' Elder Scrolls games.
"The Second Era - Also known as the "Common Era", includes the rule of the Akaviri Potentates, as well as the 400-year time period known as the Interregnum. The Elder Scrolls Online and Redguard take place in this era."
Game wise it is a prequel to all other Elder Scrolls series and during release they said that the events of ESO take lace during the Interregnum between the Imperial dynasties. It does preclude Redguard chronllogicallyThat which we obtain to cheap we esteem to lightly, it is dearness only that gives everything its value.
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Panda244✭✭✭✭✭
✭I do hope you realise that ESO comes before the ENTIRE TES timeline, right?
I was joking.... ESO takes place in the 2nd era, 582.
http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Timeline
It takes place in the middle-ish of the entire TES timeline... Not before any of it. If it took place before the entire TES timeline, none of the current races would exist except for maybe the Akaviri races.... So umm... yea...
Edit:
Redguard and Online are, in terms of timeline order, the 'first' Elder Scrolls games.
"The Second Era - Also known as the "Common Era", includes the rule of the Akaviri Potentates, as well as the 400-year time period known as the Interregnum. The Elder Scrolls Online and Redguard take place in this era."
Game wise it is a prequel to all other Elder Scrolls series and during release they said that the events of ESO take lace during the Interregnum between the Imperial dynasties. It does preclude Redguard chronllogically
I'm aware... But Shunravi said the "Entire" timeline. Look... Down there *points down* iz in muh signature fo christ sakes. xDAldmeri Dominion For Life!
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✭✭I do hope you realise that ESO comes before the ENTIRE TES timeline, right?
I was joking.... ESO takes place in the 2nd era, 582.
http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Timeline
It takes place in the middle-ish of the entire TES timeline... Not before any of it. If it took place before the entire TES timeline, none of the current races would exist except for maybe the Akaviri races.... So umm... yea...
Edit:
Redguard and Online are, in terms of timeline order, are the 'first' Elder Scrolls games.
"The Second Era - Also known as the "Common Era", includes the rule of the Akaviri Potentates, as well as the 400-year time period known as the Interregnum. The Elder Scrolls Online and Redguard take place in this era."
ESO comes before Redguard, by a few hundred years.... There's still a good thousand + years in TES lore before ESO happens. You need to reword "ENTIRE"
Very good point. I added the word "game" to ease confusion.This one has an eloquent and well thought out response to tha... Ooh sweetroll!0 -
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✭✭I'm aware... But Shunravi said the "Entire" timeline. Look... Down there *points down* iz in muh signature fo christ sakes. xD
*stares*
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*blinks*
*stares some more*
I like using big words when making a point... So I'm pretty similar.
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✭I do hope you realise that ESO comes before the ENTIRE TES timeline, right?
I was joking.... ESO takes place in the 2nd era, 582.
http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Timeline
It takes place in the middle-ish of the entire TES timeline... Not before any of it. If it took place before the entire TES timeline, none of the current races would exist except for maybe the Akaviri races.... So umm... yea...
Edit:
Redguard and Online are, in terms of timeline order, are the 'first' Elder Scrolls games.
"The Second Era - Also known as the "Common Era", includes the rule of the Akaviri Potentates, as well as the 400-year time period known as the Interregnum. The Elder Scrolls Online and Redguard take place in this era."
ESO comes before Redguard, by a few hundred years.... There's still a good thousand + years in TES lore before ESO happens. You need to reword "ENTIRE"
Very good point. I added the word "game" to ease confusion.
*Tips hat*
Glad I could be of service chap! Back on topic though, OP, they used wayshrines for an effortless way to travel. They could of used Horse and cart... But whats the point, it gets you from point A to point B... And it isn't the only lore-bending thing in this game...Aldmeri Dominion For Life!
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Big words make one seem of higher intelligence, were that actually the case this one would probably have procured a job less demanding and more rewarding of a higher pay grade. Yes?Aldmeri Dominion For Life!
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Big words make one seem of higher intelligence, were that actually the case this one would probably have procured a job less demanding and more rewarding of a higher pay grade. Yes?
Well, being a panda has great percs I hear...Edited by Shunravi on February 9, 2015 2:43AMThis one has an eloquent and well thought out response to tha... Ooh sweetroll!0 -
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Big words make one seem of higher intelligence, were that actually the case this one would probably have procured a job less demanding and more rewarding of a higher pay grade. Yes?
Well, being a panda has great percs I hear...
Heh. Heh heh. Heh heh heheh. Bwahahaha.... BAWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
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Back on topic though, OP, they used wayshrines for an effortless way to travel. They could of used Horse and cart... But whats the point, it gets you from point A to point B... And it isn't the only lore-bending thing in this game...
Something like the wayshrines making travel too easy for lore can be easily bypassed as an issue. As a magical device, its use could simply have magical consequences... or magical requirements.
I'd hypothesize something like this. The wayshrines can only be activated and used by a being who has been touched by the power of the Aedra or Daedra, or perhaps maybe even something more specific than that, like that they have to have a mystic connection to Meridia or someone else that the player's character would have had a connection too but most other people don't.0 -
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✭✭mandrakethebard_ESO wrote: »Back on topic though, OP, they used wayshrines for an effortless way to travel. They could of used Horse and cart... But whats the point, it gets you from point A to point B... And it isn't the only lore-bending thing in this game...
Something like the wayshrines making travel too easy for lore can be easily bypassed as an issue. As a magical device, its use could simply have magical consequences... or magical requirements.
I'd hypothesize something like this. The wayshrines can only be activated and used by a being who has been touched by the power of the Aedra or Daedra, or perhaps maybe even something more specific than that, like that they have to have a mystic connection to Meridia or someone else that the player's character would have had a connection too but most other people don't.
Well, the ingame book "Wayshrines of Tamriel" seems to support that idea...
Though, its theory is that if a being's soul is "unmoored from the Mundus," it would be possible to use them as transport.This one has an eloquent and well thought out response to tha... Ooh sweetroll!1 -
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✭Holycannoli wrote: »They don't fit into the whole lore. There never used to be mundus stones, we chose our constellation at character creation and it was permanent.
And Cyrodiil at this point and time is suppose to be a f**king jungle. Your point?
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Iago✭✭✭✭✭any girls want to weigh in on this? or better yet would it be possible to have the Loremaster himself answer this it's a really good question.That which we obtain to cheap we esteem to lightly, it is dearness only that gives everything its value.
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✭✭Holycannoli wrote: »we chose our constellation at character creation and it was permanent.
And Cyrodiil at this point and time is suppose to be a f**king jungle. Your point?
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✭✭Holycannoli wrote: »They don't fit into the whole lore. There never used to be mundus stones, we chose our constellation at character creation and it was permanent.
well, a rose by any other name...
http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Bloodmoon:The_Skaal_Test_of_Loyalty
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✭Holycannoli wrote: »They don't fit into the whole lore. There never used to be mundus stones, we chose our constellation at character creation and it was permanent.
And Cyrodiil at this point and time is suppose to be a f**king jungle. Your point?
Unless of course if the whole Tiber Septim chim thing is retroactive.
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✭✭Holycannoli wrote: »They don't fit into the whole lore. There never used to be mundus stones, we chose our constellation at character creation and it was permanent.
And Cyrodiil at this point and time is suppose to be a f**king jungle. Your point?
Unless of course if the whole Tiber Septim chim thing is retroactive.
Lets not get into CHIM and dragon breaks.... its too confusing sometimes :PThis one has an eloquent and well thought out response to tha... Ooh sweetroll!1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I came in to this thread expecting it to be more along the lines of, "Magnets, how do they work?" I am highly disappointed.
And OP: they don't fit in the lore too well, but since this entire era is a big question mark in the history books, it doesn't really matter. Why are they there? Because this is an MMO, and people would never play an MMO without some form of fast-travel.----
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✭Holycannoli wrote: »They don't fit into the whole lore. There never used to be mundus stones, we chose our constellation at character creation and it was permanent.
And Cyrodiil at this point and time is suppose to be a f**king jungle. Your point?
Unless of course if the whole Tiber Septim chim thing is retroactive.
Lets not get into CHIM and dragon breaks.... its too confusing sometimes :P
Indeed, but you gotta admit it's a rather clever built in retcon tool
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