NewBlacksmurf wrote: »For some reason my posts is drawing ppl to attach crafting to this suggestion.
I'm in no way suggesting that crafting be changed at all.
My suggestion is that when research is performed that the account get credit. Now this should not affect anyone who crafts x on this toon and y on another toon.
It's not dumbing down the game or making crafting easier. The skills is unlocked in the same manner. The difference is that IF you make a character and unlock certain research it stays. Today, if a character is deleted all research is lost.
Because the bank, crafting mats are shared, and that mount research and pets will become shared, why is research not shared.
Again...it's not to change crafting but only to implement research just like mount training.
The same argument applies to mounts. So the question is why not...this per the original post.newtinmpls wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »For some reason my posts is drawing ppl to attach crafting to this suggestion.
I'm in no way suggesting that crafting be changed at all.
My suggestion is that when research is performed that the account get credit. Now this should not affect anyone who crafts x on this toon and y on another toon.
It's not dumbing down the game or making crafting easier.
Your final sentance - in light of your argument - makes no sense.
Suggesting that Crafting a trait be done by a person who never researched that trait clearly changes crafting.
Sharing bank accounts - okay, all you would have to do is "give permission" to do this, it's not a skill. I presume that dyes are like that also - I think it's silly to link them to acheivments, but okay I can stretch things to imagine that someone "discovered" the chemical/recipie for the dye and can share it.
Crafting a trait? You have to learn it. I don't see how it could be "shared".
I'm not in opposition of the Mount changes because I already HAVE a maxed Speed and maxed Inventory Horse on all 8 Characters, as do MANY Players. As for account wide research, hell no. There would be no way to quickly gain the newest 10th, 11th, etc Trait if you had to wait 30 days each time something new came out.NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Following your point of view...are you in opposition to the mount changes?
I'm not in opposition of the Mount changes because I already HAVE a maxed Speed and maxed Inventory Horse on all 8 Characters, as do MANY Players. As for account wide research, hell no. There would be no way to quickly gain the newest 10th, 11th, etc Trait if you had to wait 30 days each time something new came out.NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Following your point of view...are you in opposition to the mount changes?
Go reread. It's nothing about skills at all. It's only the research (nothing more or less)Totally disagree with you OP. I think other things being shared account wide are fine, but skills and stuff like that should not be. The reason some make different toons is to have some specialize and utilize points towards 1 or 2 different skills for crafting, if they did it account wide that would take away from that ability. Personally, if they did do this I would find it horrible.
NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Go reread. It's nothing about skills at all. It's only the research (nothing more or less)Totally disagree with you OP. I think other things being shared account wide are fine, but skills and stuff like that should not be. The reason some make different toons is to have some specialize and utilize points towards 1 or 2 different skills for crafting, if they did it account wide that would take away from that ability. Personally, if they did do this I would find it horrible.
newtinmpls wrote: »A character does research to improve their skill at crafting a particular item. So when I look at (say for example) Urgash gra Sharn's blacksmithing skills, I would say
Overall skill level with smithing: 33rd
Known traits: Everything in 2-handed weapons, nothing in Daggers (I'm not going to give the whole list, this is just for example).
Since you can't know or use a trait in a skill that you don't have, having researched a trait is part of your skill (enhances that skill - there are probably many ways to phrase it). If research wasn't part of a skill, it wouldn't apply to a skill.
Sorry, I don't support laziness. If you want more than one crafter, just start some researchs on an alt. It's already way too easy ...SoulScream wrote: »I am not going to research everything all over again on an alt I don't play all that often. I support account wide research because it causes me to just have to switch back and forth to make something.
SoulScream wrote: »Sorry, I don't support laziness. If you want more than one crafter, just start some researchs on an alt. It's already way too easy ...SoulScream wrote: »I am not going to research everything all over again on an alt I don't play all that often. I support account wide research because it causes me to just have to switch back and forth to make something.
My character is maxed on every craft. It's just wasting my time to switch back to craft a shield for a low alt I hardly play or craft a research item for a guild member if I'm on an alt. I don't see how that opinion is lazy???
newtinmpls wrote: »Since you can't know or use a trait in a skill that you don't have, having researched a trait is part of your skill (enhances that skill - there are probably many ways to phrase it). If research wasn't part of a skill, it wouldn't apply to a skill.
nerevarine1138 wrote: »SoulScream wrote: »Sorry, I don't support laziness. If you want more than one crafter, just start some researchs on an alt. It's already way too easy ...SoulScream wrote: »I am not going to research everything all over again on an alt I don't play all that often. I support account wide research because it causes me to just have to switch back and forth to make something.
My character is maxed on every craft. It's just wasting my time to switch back to craft a shield for a low alt I hardly play or craft a research item for a guild member if I'm on an alt. I don't see how that opinion is lazy???
It's lazy precisely because you don't want to spend the time doing it. That's the absolute definition of lazy.
SoulScream wrote: »nerevarine1138 wrote: »SoulScream wrote: »Sorry, I don't support laziness. If you want more than one crafter, just start some researchs on an alt. It's already way too easy ...SoulScream wrote: »I am not going to research everything all over again on an alt I don't play all that often. I support account wide research because it causes me to just have to switch back and forth to make something.
My character is maxed on every craft. It's just wasting my time to switch back to craft a shield for a low alt I hardly play or craft a research item for a guild member if I'm on an alt. I don't see how that opinion is lazy???
It's lazy precisely because you don't want to spend the time doing it. That's the absolute definition of lazy.
I still don't get it. I'm lazy because I think it's wasting my time to have to switch back and forth between characters to make something? I have every skill to max none of my alts need to put time into learning it more. I don't think you kids throwing the lazy opinion around really know what it means. I am talking about efficiency. I do indeed switch because I have to therefor I'm not lazy. I see it as inefficient. Go ahead troll some more lol
nerevarine1138 wrote: »SoulScream wrote: »nerevarine1138 wrote: »SoulScream wrote: »Sorry, I don't support laziness. If you want more than one crafter, just start some researchs on an alt. It's already way too easy ...SoulScream wrote: »I am not going to research everything all over again on an alt I don't play all that often. I support account wide research because it causes me to just have to switch back and forth to make something.
My character is maxed on every craft. It's just wasting my time to switch back to craft a shield for a low alt I hardly play or craft a research item for a guild member if I'm on an alt. I don't see how that opinion is lazy???
It's lazy precisely because you don't want to spend the time doing it. That's the absolute definition of lazy.
I still don't get it. I'm lazy because I think it's wasting my time to have to switch back and forth between characters to make something? I have every skill to max none of my alts need to put time into learning it more. I don't think you kids throwing the lazy opinion around really know what it means. I am talking about efficiency. I do indeed switch because I have to therefor I'm not lazy. I see it as inefficient. Go ahead troll some more lol
Ok, let's pretend that not wanting to spend time doing something isn't lazy.
What happens when you abuse the research system? Or should research time be shared across the account? Better yet, why don't we just share skyshards? After all, I already found them on one character. Shouldn't I just get to avoid the agony of playing the game on my alt to level up?
SoulScream wrote: »nerevarine1138 wrote: »SoulScream wrote: »nerevarine1138 wrote: »SoulScream wrote: »Sorry, I don't support laziness. If you want more than one crafter, just start some researchs on an alt. It's already way too easy ...SoulScream wrote: »I am not going to research everything all over again on an alt I don't play all that often. I support account wide research because it causes me to just have to switch back and forth to make something.
My character is maxed on every craft. It's just wasting my time to switch back to craft a shield for a low alt I hardly play or craft a research item for a guild member if I'm on an alt. I don't see how that opinion is lazy???
It's lazy precisely because you don't want to spend the time doing it. That's the absolute definition of lazy.
I still don't get it. I'm lazy because I think it's wasting my time to have to switch back and forth between characters to make something? I have every skill to max none of my alts need to put time into learning it more. I don't think you kids throwing the lazy opinion around really know what it means. I am talking about efficiency. I do indeed switch because I have to therefor I'm not lazy. I see it as inefficient. Go ahead troll some more lol
Ok, let's pretend that not wanting to spend time doing something isn't lazy.
What happens when you abuse the research system? Or should research time be shared across the account? Better yet, why don't we just share skyshards? After all, I already found them on one character. Shouldn't I just get to avoid the agony of playing the game on my alt to level up?
Why should an alt research them all again? I'm glad you want your alts to research them all again. Since I'm lazy you can be ocd and redundant. Sure lets argue about sky shards too.
nerevarine1138 wrote: »SoulScream wrote: »nerevarine1138 wrote: »SoulScream wrote: »nerevarine1138 wrote: »SoulScream wrote: »Sorry, I don't support laziness. If you want more than one crafter, just start some researchs on an alt. It's already way too easy ...SoulScream wrote: »I am not going to research everything all over again on an alt I don't play all that often. I support account wide research because it causes me to just have to switch back and forth to make something.
My character is maxed on every craft. It's just wasting my time to switch back to craft a shield for a low alt I hardly play or craft a research item for a guild member if I'm on an alt. I don't see how that opinion is lazy???
It's lazy precisely because you don't want to spend the time doing it. That's the absolute definition of lazy.
I still don't get it. I'm lazy because I think it's wasting my time to have to switch back and forth between characters to make something? I have every skill to max none of my alts need to put time into learning it more. I don't think you kids throwing the lazy opinion around really know what it means. I am talking about efficiency. I do indeed switch because I have to therefor I'm not lazy. I see it as inefficient. Go ahead troll some more lol
Ok, let's pretend that not wanting to spend time doing something isn't lazy.
What happens when you abuse the research system? Or should research time be shared across the account? Better yet, why don't we just share skyshards? After all, I already found them on one character. Shouldn't I just get to avoid the agony of playing the game on my alt to level up?
Why should an alt research them all again? I'm glad you want your alts to research them all again. Since I'm lazy you can be ocd and redundant. Sure lets argue about sky shards too.
Why would you waste the skillpoints on crafting for an alt? I have two characters that do all my crafting. If I need to craft a specific item for someone on one of those two crafters, then I take all the 10 seconds required to log off and on again (if that's needed). I fail to see where I'm wasting so much time.
SoulScream wrote: »nerevarine1138 wrote: »SoulScream wrote: »nerevarine1138 wrote: »SoulScream wrote: »nerevarine1138 wrote: »SoulScream wrote: »Sorry, I don't support laziness. If you want more than one crafter, just start some researchs on an alt. It's already way too easy ...SoulScream wrote: »I am not going to research everything all over again on an alt I don't play all that often. I support account wide research because it causes me to just have to switch back and forth to make something.
My character is maxed on every craft. It's just wasting my time to switch back to craft a shield for a low alt I hardly play or craft a research item for a guild member if I'm on an alt. I don't see how that opinion is lazy???
It's lazy precisely because you don't want to spend the time doing it. That's the absolute definition of lazy.
I still don't get it. I'm lazy because I think it's wasting my time to have to switch back and forth between characters to make something? I have every skill to max none of my alts need to put time into learning it more. I don't think you kids throwing the lazy opinion around really know what it means. I am talking about efficiency. I do indeed switch because I have to therefor I'm not lazy. I see it as inefficient. Go ahead troll some more lol
Ok, let's pretend that not wanting to spend time doing something isn't lazy.
What happens when you abuse the research system? Or should research time be shared across the account? Better yet, why don't we just share skyshards? After all, I already found them on one character. Shouldn't I just get to avoid the agony of playing the game on my alt to level up?
Why should an alt research them all again? I'm glad you want your alts to research them all again. Since I'm lazy you can be ocd and redundant. Sure lets argue about sky shards too.
Why would you waste the skillpoints on crafting for an alt? I have two characters that do all my crafting. If I need to craft a specific item for someone on one of those two crafters, then I take all the 10 seconds required to log off and on again (if that's needed). I fail to see where I'm wasting so much time.
You're asking me? I wouldn't but you're saying I should and that I am lazy. And it's not ten seconds to log off because I get stuck in loading screens pretty often. It also clears my chat window when I am talking to someone or need to look back at a players name etc.
