Same thing that happened to TSW is happening on NA Servers

Aoe_Barbecue · January 2015

It's entirely feasible for an off hours group to not take the whole map. When they do, it's almost always because its mostly PvDoor. When I'm on at off hours I find a place to chill and farm. The only motivation for capping a whole map, and thus meaning that the dominant faction plays mostly defense at primetime, is for the purpose of point and territory domination. If it were having a good ol' time you were interested you'd find yourself a nice little spot and do some farming.

It's OK. What they do is not morally questionable. It's just lame and self-defeating. We can't just have Oceanic primetime babies to bolster our ranks lol.

Davenaro · January 2015

Also i think AD and DC should watch this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLXBj8nRVuE

Pancake-Tragedy · January 2015

Davenaro wrote: »

Also i think AD and DC should watch this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLXBj8nRVuE

AhPook_Is_Here · January 2015

Aoe_Barbecue wrote: »

When AD were the night cappers, both DC and EP rightfully criticized this because it's not sporting in the least. When EP started night capping -- they always had this element, e.g. red in Chillrend 1.0 -- suddenly the indignant turned into apologists. "It's a part of the game!" "We should play when we want!" It's all an echo of the AD night capping masses of AB 1.0, Wabbajack 2.0, and the first few Thornblades.

Don't let anyone stop you though. I'm just sitting here caffeinating and having a giggle

It's surprising that humans don't mind being hypocrites when it suits their interests. /factious_off

Forums can be amusing, but you can't expect honesty here.

Huntler · January 2015

Nevermind basically the above post.

Davenaro · January 2015

Huntler wrote: »

Nevermind

Go ahead and night cap? didn't you read what i just said before. I hate it, it is killing this game clearly

RedTalon · January 2015

How many have forgotten its basically the same group of AD players that where doing things for ad now playing on EP side, or do those posts keep vanishing we went over this before people, ep asked for help and they got what they asked for.

Roechacca · January 2015

Davenaro wrote: »

Also i think AD and DC should watch this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLXBj8nRVuE

Flag on the field , too many players , EP . 20 Yard penalty . First down DC .

Huntler · January 2015

Davenaro wrote: »

Huntler wrote: »

Nevermind

Go ahead and night cap? didn't you read what i just said before. I hate it, it is killing this game clearly

See my edit, quoted wrong post.

Davenaro · January 2015

Huntler wrote: »

Davenaro wrote: »

Huntler wrote: »

Nevermind

Go ahead and night cap? didn't you read what i just said before. I hate it, it is killing this game clearly

See my edit, quoted wrong post.

Yea i saw, no worries

booksmcread · January 2015

ZOS does not care. Not in the slightest. Not even in the teeniest, tiniest amount. If they did, they would have done something by now to help with issues like this.

Darklord_Tiberius · January 2015

Tripwyr wrote: »

Kybotica wrote: »

Tripwyr wrote: »

Specific groups on red have made it their sole goal in this game to push the other factions to quit.

If by "push the other factions to quit", you meant "stop this ridiculous trend of buff servers by forcing actual combat," then yes this is what is happening. I fail to see how ruining buff campaigns, which are traditionally dead servers, by bringing in actual combat again constitutes pushing others to quit.

If the only reason you play in PvP is so that you can overwhelm a single server with numbers to keep buffs for PvE activities, YOU are the problem with PvP.

No, not at all what I mean. I do not care about buff server drama, and frankly neither does most of the community.

Seriously, your excuses are just pathetic. Playing on Haderus the past month we were night capped every day. Zerged by a locked pop against a medium pop at most, of EP and ocasionally some DC. Did we give up? lol nope. We kept playing. It was fun being outnumbered and going against the odds, but that is something you do not understand. Either organize your faction like EP has always done or stop QQing on the forums about how unfair it is. Find solutions instead of making excuses brah.

Hektlk · January 2015

Gotta get your bedtimes extended.

Jaxsun · January 2015

Davenaro wrote: »

Also i think AD and DC should watch this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLXBj8nRVuE

He had me until "give the god the glory"...

Aoe_Barbecue · January 2015

Jaxsun wrote: »

Davenaro wrote: »

Also i think AD and DC should watch this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLXBj8nRVuE

He had me until "give the god the glory"...

Ohay look, r/atheism tropes. Such free think. Very expansive intellect. Wow

Da Sandman · January 2015

Darklord_Tiberius wrote: »

Seriously, your excuses are just pathetic. Playing on Haderus the past month we were night capped every day. Zerged by a locked pop against a medium pop at most, of EP and ocasionally some DC. Did we give up? lol nope. We kept playing. It was fun being outnumbered and going against the odds, but that is something you do not understand. Either organize your faction like EP has always done or stop QQing on the forums about how unfair it is. Find solutions instead of making excuses brah.

Teamwork is soooooo OP

RinaldoGandolphi · January 2015

Organization? Organization you say? looks like zerging to me, but please carry on.

tonemd · January 2015

Darklord_Tiberius wrote: »

are just pathetic. Playing on Haderus the past month we were night capped every day. Zerged by a locked pop against a medium pop at most, of EP and ocasionally some DC. Did we give up? lol nope. We kept playing. It was fun being outnumbered and going against the odds, but that is something you do not understand. Either organize your faction like EP has always done or stop QQing on the forums about how unfair it is. Find solutions instead of making excuses brah.

Always? I remember last year when EP was a laughing stock and AD were the hated zergers/nightcappers/winners.

But you're right, at least in DC. We are in need of multiple, tight, AOE zergs that lag the servers, and some more Aussies. It is impressive to see spam groups run through legions and never take enough damage to die. For my part, I'm leveling a DK that i will turn vamp. Hopefully PVP still exists when she's ready.

Bouvin · January 2015

Kybotica wrote: »

Tripwyr wrote: »

Specific groups on red have made it their sole goal in this game to push the other factions to quit.

If by "push the other factions to quit", you meant "stop this ridiculous trend of buff servers by forcing actual combat," then yes this is what is happening. I fail to see how ruining buff campaigns, which are traditionally dead servers, by bringing in actual combat again constitutes pushing others to quit.

If the only reason you play in PvP is so that you can overwhelm a single server with numbers to keep buffs for PvE activities, YOU are the problem with PvP.

More like EP saying "All your buff server are belong to us"

Reverb · January 2015

Last night I logged on to check hireling mail. It was prime time so I expected Thorn to be locked and my DC Templar to spawn in Belkarth, but I popped right into Cyrodiil.

I saw that almost the entire map was red, and that despite not having either of their own scrolls, AD had capped both Rayles and Warden. Only two of my guild mates were on, so I asked /z what was happening. The response was really dour.

I'm only a little ashamed to admit that I said "eff this" and logged right back off.

I want to still care about this game, I really do. I'll try again to care on Saturday.

frozywozy · January 2015

Tripwyr wrote: »

Specific groups on red have made it their sole goal in this game to push the other factions to quit.

lol

dylanjaygrobbelaarb16_ESO · January 2015

all they need is to make one less campaign, that everyone has to pvp to maintain a buff campain, there wont be enough servers to have three buffs + a real one. 2 30 day should do the trick until they are both poplocked at primetime, then talk about more
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Jaxsun · January 2015

dylanjaygrobbelaarb16_ESO wrote: »

all they need is to make one less campaign, that everyone has to pvp to maintain a buff campain, there wont be enough servers to have three buffs + a real one. 2 30 day should do the trick until they are both poplocked at primetime, then talk about more
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i like this idea, i don't knwo about the practical application but i like it on paper for sure

badmojo · January 2015

dylanjaygrobbelaarb16_ESO wrote: »

all they need is to make one less campaign, that everyone has to pvp to maintain a buff campain, there wont be enough servers to have three buffs + a real one. 2 30 day should do the trick until they are both poplocked at primetime, then talk about more
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What they need to make are players who aren't so afraid to fight in every campaign. Buff servers exist because players don't stop it from happening. And you can't expect to stop a buff server by simply running in there one night and flipping it, it takes dedication and constant work.

Kybotica · January 2015

Bouvin wrote: »

Kybotica wrote: »

Tripwyr wrote: »

Specific groups on red have made it their sole goal in this game to push the other factions to quit.

If by "push the other factions to quit", you meant "stop this ridiculous trend of buff servers by forcing actual combat," then yes this is what is happening. I fail to see how ruining buff campaigns, which are traditionally dead servers, by bringing in actual combat again constitutes pushing others to quit.

If the only reason you play in PvP is so that you can overwhelm a single server with numbers to keep buffs for PvE activities, YOU are the problem with PvP.

More like EP saying "All your buff server are belong to us"

Except if you paid any attention to what the maps look like when our group takes down a buff campaign, you'd know that we always leave each set of home keeps alone and we never pursue more scrolls than our own red ones.

Buff servers must die out. They are killing PvP.

If the other keeps get capped or the entire map turns red, you can be sure that our group either stopped helping after getting the circle and our own two scrolls, or that we weren't even there at all.

Kybotica · January 2015

badmojo wrote: »

dylanjaygrobbelaarb16_ESO wrote: »

all they need is to make one less campaign, that everyone has to pvp to maintain a buff campain, there wont be enough servers to have three buffs + a real one. 2 30 day should do the trick until they are both poplocked at primetime, then talk about more
+

What they need to make are players who aren't so afraid to fight in every campaign. Buff servers exist because players don't stop it from happening. And you can't expect to stop a buff server by simply running in there one night and flipping it, it takes dedication and constant work.

Note that we flip buff servers as many times as is necessary. We have flipped Azura multiple times this week, and will continue doing so until the buff campaign mentality is gone.

kevlarto_ESO · January 2015

I can see it, people seem to forget it needs to be fun for both sides of the keyboard, if you are a pvp'er the last thing you want is no one to pvp against

Player bases have changed since DAOC, now you have people getting emp that don't seem to care about the faction but their own personal race to overlord, they would rather turtle up in an keep and protect themselves while other factions take their scrolls and gank them at their gates I have seen this, I know I would get tired of the same person over and over being emp geez really again.
if Cyrodil fails at this point it is no ones fault but the players, and the poor ethics they exhibit shame really I used to have a lot of fun in pvp.

Reverb · January 2015

Kybotica wrote: »

Note that we flip buff servers as many times as is necessary. We have flipped Azura multiple times this week, and will continue doing so until the buff campaign mentality is gone.

This reads as "we have the numbers to dominate any campaign of our choosing, and that's what we're doing".

I agree that buff servers absolutely need to go, but your approach of killing them by systemically flipping all of them red is actually killing your opponents will to play at all.

Roechacca · January 2015

Oh no it's the video game morality police !

Lava_Croft · January 2015

They do it: Bad.
We do it: Good.