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ZOS: We don't want Daedric Summoning
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NotSo✭✭✭✭If we were to be more convincing about kicking daedric summoning to the curb, probably need to start piecing together an alternate skill line.
Going to take me a couple days to think up a good gimick it would revolve around.Gar'Sol the Wanderer VR14 Khajiit Sorcerer Spellblade1 -
ginoboehm✭✭✭✭✭Whatever you do with that skill line, don't get rid of my hardened ward. ty.
Lol could you imagine playing PvP without hardened ward ?
On topic: god I hate pets I once thought what a great class sorcs are but after 10mins playing with pets the only one I used till vr14 was the atronach. But we all can see that if they get improved and get viable for endgame let the pet freaks use them. Your suggestion about making it a world skill is something to think about but I would say classes need unique abilities and summoning is something which was represented with the sorc class (I bet a lot of new players are choosing sorc because of pets)Edited by ginoboehm on January 20, 2015 9:32PM0 -
WhiskyBob✭✭✭✭✭If we were to be more convincing about kicking daedric summoning to the curb, probably need to start piecing together an alternate skill line.
Going to take me a couple days to think up a good gimick it would revolve around.
Do you actually believe your suggestion for new pet skill line will ever reach live? Wow.1 -
kongkim✭✭✭✭✭Who are "WE"? Du you talk for all sor.? I love the pet sor. and really only hope they buff it and they do it good
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SFBryan18✭✭✭✭✭
✭The summoning skill line is the least desirable of the three in Sorcerer, mainly because you need to use two slots just to swap weapons.1 -
Erock25✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭No matter how much they buff pets .... I will always hate them as long as they require to be on both skill bars. It is ridiculous to have1/5th of your entire skill arsenal be taken up by one pet.You earned the 500 LOLs badge.
You received 500 LOLs. It ain't no fluke, you post great stuff and we're lucky to have you here. +50 points4 -
Faulgor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭So I take it you don't want Conjuration for the spellcrafting system either?
Summoning creatures has always been a part of TES. Just because they didn't get it right yet doesn't mean it shouldn't exist.Alandrol Sul: He's making another Numidium?!?
Vivec: Worse, buddy. They're buying it.2 -
Father✭✭✭Its not a useless tree...I'm a stamina Sorc and I love hardened ward and bound aegis/armaments.
Pets? yes they don't appeal to me, if you wanna play summoner use spellcrafting spells like that fire atronach they showed,
even if they buff pets they are still daedric monsters that get strong hits from fighters guild skills and passives..the viability is really low :<1 -
Cuyler✭✭✭✭✭
✭EinionYrth wrote: »
As a melee sorc who uses the clannfear as an off tank may I just say; this would be fine but I also play a NB and some of the shadow line is appealing, so can everyone have that too, please?
We are not asking for this^. We do not want to take away your pets....we want to give pets to everybody. And get something useful for a sorc in return.
In brief, lose classes altogether and choose from all the skill lines, or shut up, stop whinging, and soldier.
I realize the knee jerk reaction is to tell players to stop whining. You happen to be in the 10% of sorcs that actually use the pets so I wouldn't expect you to understand. Neither would I a DK or a NB or a TP, because all of them use 3/3 of their respective class skill lines.
I also play a NB, you mean to tell me you don't use anything from the shadow line? Disguise? Shades? possibly the most OP ult in the game VoB!? plus passives that actually synergize with skills outside of the tree? truly a bad comparison to the daedric summoning line where even the passives only effect the pets neigh but one (power stone).
I have soldiered up, which is why I'm a champion here for change on the forums.
Edit: The one thing I can agree with is that spell crafting can't come soon enough.Edited by Cuyler on January 20, 2015 9:43PMGuild: STACK n BURN (gm) PC - NA
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Feidam✭✭✭@Cuyler I think you need to read my post again. I hate using pets. However, that doesn't give me the right to ask for them to change an entire class because I hate pets. Based on the classes design though pets seem to be the sorc's special snowflake in their class line much like nightblades get stealth, Templars get heals.
The new pet line is a good idea so that all pets are not daedric themed.
As for pets not being viable in trails again that is up to ZOS. If they are made viable then you could have a trial with a crazy number of pets. Not my personal flavor but whatever.1 -
Cuyler✭✭✭✭✭
✭@Cuyler I think you need to read my post again. I hate using pets. However, that doesn't give me the right to ask for them to change an entire class because I hate pets. Based on the classes design though pets seem to be the sorc's special snowflake in their class line much like nightblades get stealth, Templars get heals.
The new pet line is a good idea so that all pets are not daedric themed.
As for pets not being viable in trails again that is up to ZOS. If they are made viable then you could have a trial with a crazy number of pets. Not my personal flavor but whatever.
I understood fine. I just didn't agree that because 10% of sorcs like them, they need to stay in the sorcs line.
I believe it can be successfully transitioned to a world line and those who currently use pets can continue to at their leisure. Without forcing 90% of sorcs to only use 2/3 of their class skills.
A sorc's "snowflake", as I interpret it and is somewhat reinforced by the in game description, is elemental damage. Always has been destruction, not some pet gimmick.
Edit: when I said "your pets", I didn't mean you specifically (I know you said you don't use them). I was speaking generally to everyone using pets.Edited by Cuyler on January 20, 2015 9:59PMGuild: STACK n BURN (gm) PC - NA
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OrangeTheCat✭✭✭✭✭
✭"ZOS: We don't want Daedric Summoning"
We don't? This "we" wants it. I like summoning pets. Speak for yourself please.2 -
Kilandros✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭OrangeTheCat wrote: »"ZOS: We don't want Daedric Summoning"
We don't? This "we" wants it. I like summoning pets. Speak for yourself please.
I wish people on these forums weren't so lazy that they can't be bothered to read an OP that is approximately 10 sentences. If you had, you'd have read that I recommend making it a World Skill line so that anyone who enjoys it continues to have access to it.Invictus
Kilandros - Dragonknight / Grand Overlord
Deimos - Templar / Grand Warlord
Sias - Sorcerer / PrefectZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Short answer is DKs likely won't be seeing a ton of changes before we go live; this class is still quite powerful (as it should be being a tank), even after some of the adjustments we've made to other classes and abilities.
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Cuyler✭✭✭✭✭
✭OrangeTheCat wrote: »"ZOS: We don't want Daedric Summoning"
We don't? This "we" wants it. I like summoning pets. Speak for yourself please.
Agreed. OP needs to edit the title.Guild: STACK n BURN (gm) PC - NA
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OrangeTheCat✭✭✭✭✭
✭OrangeTheCat wrote: »"ZOS: We don't want Daedric Summoning"
We don't? This "we" wants it. I like summoning pets. Speak for yourself please.
I wish people on these forums weren't so lazy that they can't be bothered to read an OP that is approximately 10 sentences. If you had, you'd have read that I recommend making it a World Skill line so that anyone who enjoys it continues to have access to it.
I saw that. 'I wish people on these forums weren't so lazy that they can't be bothered to read' the quoted material 'which is approximately one sentence'. That title is what it is and it is what I was responding to which you can tell from what I quoted. "We" wants it and, if yoiu like, this we wants it as it is, a sorc skill line.Edited by OrangeTheCat on January 20, 2015 10:06PM0 -
Feidam✭✭✭Eh, I'd rather they leave the pets where they are buff them make them viable. The work on other skill lines like bard college, or nature magic, necromancy etc.2
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Metrobius✭✭✭jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »Ive been playing a sorc who has pets. I am currently vr9. I dont understand why people dont like pets. I use mine all the time I plow through all the content like its nothing.
Because the cake walk that is single player content in the VR zones =/= end-game competitive group content where literally no Sorcs run pet builds.
Did you miss the part where I said I am VR9?
Nope, pretty sure I addressed that when I mentioned "single player content in the VR zones."
I have no doubt your Pet build is fine when doing single player story quests, even at VR9. If you want to post a SS of your build, your place on the leaderboards, and a video of your Pet build, I'll gladly watch it.
So you think I got to VR9 simply by doing solo stuff? As far as leaderboards who cares about that stuff? I am in it to have fun not to worry about shaving seconds off a time etc.
Yeah, I play for fun too. I think OP is min maxing though.1 -
Kilandros✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭fromtesonlineb16_ESO wrote: »
If you want to be obtuse and argument semantics with me, then do your homework. "We" is a pronoun which can be used in formal written context to refer to the royal person--that is, the writer himself. Furthermore, "we," as a pronoun, is also used to refer to one or more people, so while "we" can refer to more than one person, it does NOT necessarily implicate an entire group of persons. For example, my guild and I have decided "WE" don't like Pets, therefore "WE" is an appropriate pronoun to describe my small guild.
Satisfied? Or would you prefer to continue this debate?Edited by Kilandros on January 20, 2015 10:25PMInvictus
Kilandros - Dragonknight / Grand Overlord
Deimos - Templar / Grand Warlord
Sias - Sorcerer / PrefectZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Short answer is DKs likely won't be seeing a ton of changes before we go live; this class is still quite powerful (as it should be being a tank), even after some of the adjustments we've made to other classes and abilities.
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OrangeTheCat✭✭✭✭✭
✭fromtesonlineb16_ESO wrote: »
If you want to be obtuse and argument semantics with me, then do your homework. "We" is a pronoun which can be used in formal written context to refer to the royal person--that is, the writer himself. Furthermore, "we," as a pronoun, is also used to refer to one or more people, so while "we" can refer to more than one person, it does NOT necessarily implicate an entire group of persons. For example, my guild and I have decided "WE" don't like Pets, therefore "WE" is an appropriate pronoun to describe my small guild.
Satisfied? Or would you prefer to continue this debate?
You aren't using the royal we here. And if you are, well, I could suggest a therapist.
As for the pronoun part, it's used to denote oneself and another or others. The operative part is the "and". You and at least one other person.
Unless you mean "you (used familiarly, often with mild condescension or sarcasm, as in addressing a child, a patient, etc.)". In which case, thanks for insulting everyone.
Try again.Edited by OrangeTheCat on January 20, 2015 10:32PM4 -
Kilandros✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭OrangeTheCat wrote: »fromtesonlineb16_ESO wrote: »
If you want to be obtuse and argument semantics with me, then do your homework. "We" is a pronoun which can be used in formal written context to refer to the royal person--that is, the writer himself. Furthermore, "we," as a pronoun, is also used to refer to one or more people, so while "we" can refer to more than one person, it does NOT necessarily implicate an entire group of persons. For example, my guild and I have decided "WE" don't like Pets, therefore "WE" is an appropriate pronoun to describe my small guild.
Satisfied? Or would you prefer to continue this debate?
You aren't using the royal we here. And if you are, well, I could suggest a therapist.
As for the pronoun part, it's used to denote oneself and another or others. The operative part is the "and". You and at least one other person.
Try again.
Are you bad at math? Me and at least one person is a potentially small pool of 2 people. I suspect there are more than 2 Sorcerers playing ESO.
Get over the title already. Read the OP and stop being deliberately difficult because you decided today you were going to be an internet warrior.Invictus
Kilandros - Dragonknight / Grand Overlord
Deimos - Templar / Grand Warlord
Sias - Sorcerer / PrefectZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Short answer is DKs likely won't be seeing a ton of changes before we go live; this class is still quite powerful (as it should be being a tank), even after some of the adjustments we've made to other classes and abilities.
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Samadhi✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Make pets immune to DMG! (i don't care about OP.... i want to be OP as sorc)
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Isn't immunity to AoE damage one of the plans set for 1.6?
Or do you mean you want to see pets made immune to all damage; hit for less damage than they do now; and, be on a 20 second duration like the Nightblade summons?"If you want others to be happy, practice compassion. If you want to be happy, practice compassion." -- the 14th Dalai Lama
Wisdom is doing Now that which benefits you later.
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OrangeTheCat✭✭✭✭✭
✭OrangeTheCat wrote: »fromtesonlineb16_ESO wrote: »
If you want to be obtuse and argument semantics with me, then do your homework. "We" is a pronoun which can be used in formal written context to refer to the royal person--that is, the writer himself. Furthermore, "we," as a pronoun, is also used to refer to one or more people, so while "we" can refer to more than one person, it does NOT necessarily implicate an entire group of persons. For example, my guild and I have decided "WE" don't like Pets, therefore "WE" is an appropriate pronoun to describe my small guild.
Satisfied? Or would you prefer to continue this debate?
You aren't using the royal we here. And if you are, well, I could suggest a therapist.
As for the pronoun part, it's used to denote oneself and another or others. The operative part is the "and". You and at least one other person.
Try again.
Are you bad at math? Me and at least one person is a potentially small pool of 2 people. I suspect there are more than 2 Sorcerers playing ESO.
Get over the title already. Read the OP and stop being deliberately difficult because you decided today you were going to be an internet warrior.
Just change the title; it's the first thing people see after all. Replace "we" with "I". You can do it.0 -
Emma_Overload✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I agree that pets suck, but I just want them to work better, not to be taken away. To me, the biggest issue isn't DPS, but the fact that none of the pets can taunt, hold aggro or even survive longer than 5 seconds when you get to VR content.
Give me a clannfear that can hold a dungeon boss' attention for 20 seconds straight before he needs to be re-summoned, and I'll be a happy sorc.Edited by Emma_Overload on January 20, 2015 10:47PM#CAREBEARMASTERRACE1 -
Kilandros✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭OrangeTheCat wrote: »OrangeTheCat wrote: »fromtesonlineb16_ESO wrote: »
If you want to be obtuse and argument semantics with me, then do your homework. "We" is a pronoun which can be used in formal written context to refer to the royal person--that is, the writer himself. Furthermore, "we," as a pronoun, is also used to refer to one or more people, so while "we" can refer to more than one person, it does NOT necessarily implicate an entire group of persons. For example, my guild and I have decided "WE" don't like Pets, therefore "WE" is an appropriate pronoun to describe my small guild.
Satisfied? Or would you prefer to continue this debate?
You aren't using the royal we here. And if you are, well, I could suggest a therapist.
As for the pronoun part, it's used to denote oneself and another or others. The operative part is the "and". You and at least one other person.
Try again.
Are you bad at math? Me and at least one person is a potentially small pool of 2 people. I suspect there are more than 2 Sorcerers playing ESO.
Get over the title already. Read the OP and stop being deliberately difficult because you decided today you were going to be an internet warrior.
Just change the title; it's the first thing people see after all. Replace "we" with "I". You can do it.
Not going to happen. Enough people feel this way that the title is appropriate. And if a little hyperbole upsets you, then god forbid you ever read the news.Invictus
Kilandros - Dragonknight / Grand Overlord
Deimos - Templar / Grand Warlord
Sias - Sorcerer / PrefectZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Short answer is DKs likely won't be seeing a ton of changes before we go live; this class is still quite powerful (as it should be being a tank), even after some of the adjustments we've made to other classes and abilities.
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Daraugh✭✭✭✭✭I really hate the pet line. I'll join that "we." I don't like using them and it drives me nuts how people will sit in a bank with them flapping in your face. I don't use them on my sorc main and I would love to see them replaced. Templars have solar damage, give sorcs... I dunno lunar damage, stellar damage. Something outside the elemental based damage but not out of line with the other skill sets.May all beings have happiness
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jamesharv2005ub17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Simple fact is they are not going to either get rid of pets or make them so everyone can have them. Wasting your time wishing for something like that.2 -
Auricle✭✭✭✭✭OrangeTheCat wrote: »
You aren't using the royal we here. And if you are, well, I could suggest a therapist.
As for the pronoun part, it's used to denote oneself and another or others. The operative part is the "and". You and at least one other person.
Unless you mean "you (used familiarly, often with mild condescension or sarcasm, as in addressing a child, a patient, etc.)". In which case, thanks for insulting everyone.
Try again.
The OP can add me in to the 'we'. I agree with the original statement. He/she can now use the word 'we' without fear of condemnation by internet grammar nazis.
ZOS: We don't want Daedric Summoning
Feel better?
Also, just so everyone knows, for some people 'min-maxing' is one of the more fun part of mmos. At least it is for me [singular]. 'Fun' is a very subjective thing, after all. I hope everyone has fun playing. Otherwise, what would be the point?
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