ZOS: We don't want Daedric Summoning

Kilandros · January 2015

Sorcerers do not want this broken skill line. Sorcerers do not want a passive, pet-based play style.

Remove Daedric Summoning (make it a world skill tree for everyone) and give Sorcerers a more interesting and active DPS skill tree. A Frost tree, for example.

Please stop trying to force feed us Pets builds. You will never get Pet balance right--very few MMOs have ever succeeded in that. And even if you get close to "balance," Pets will remain a boring and passive play style that will be unwanted to end-game group content because Pets will cannibalize important group heals, among other drawbacks.

Mojomonkeyman · January 2015

Kilandros wrote: »

Sorcerers do not want this broken skill line. Sorcerers do not want a passive, pet-based play style.

Remove Daedric Summoning (make it a world skill tree for everyone) and give Sorcerers a more interesting and active DPS skill tree. A Frost tree, for example.

Please stop trying to force feed us Pets builds. You will never get Pet balance right--very few MMOs have ever succeeded in that. And even if you get close to "balance," Pets will remain a boring and passive play style that will be unwanted to end-game group content because Pets will cannibalize important group heals, among other drawbacks.

Wholeheartedly agreed. I wanna be a mobile glascannon relying on magic burst or even dots, but not on dumb AIs.

I played every TES games since Arena, I never felt pigeonholed into having to play a summoner with my sorcerers. Please don`t start with that crap.

DMuehlhausen · January 2015

I guess what makes it worse is the fact there you are so restricted on your skill points you get. I mean you over 300 skill points isn't nearly enough to have basically all the skills you could need to change your spec based on what you are doing. How dare they!

Yes Zenimax take away pets they are the only option that people can put points into and that just doesn't seem fair....

ShadowHvo · January 2015

I disagree, I love a nice summoner build.

Kilandros · January 2015

DMuehlhausen wrote: »

I guess what makes it worse is the fact there you are so restricted on your skill points you get. I mean you over 300 skill points isn't nearly enough to have basically all the skills you could need to change your spec based on what you are doing. How dare they!

Yes Zenimax take away pets they are the only option that people can put points into and that just doesn't seem fair....

Which class do you main? Let's just get that out into the open.

kelly.medleyb14_ESO · January 2015

Kilandros wrote: »

Sorcerers do not want this broken skill line. Sorcerers do not want a passive, pet-based play style.

Remove Daedric Summoning (make it a world skill tree for everyone) and give Sorcerers a more interesting and active DPS skill tree. A Frost tree, for example.

Please stop trying to force feed us Pets builds. You will never get Pet balance right--very few MMOs have ever succeeded in that. And even if you get close to "balance," Pets will remain a boring and passive play style that will be unwanted to end-game group content because Pets will cannibalize important group heals, among other drawbacks.

I'd have to agree with this, demon summoning is pretty lame. You should split sorc up into and elemental mage and necromancer classes if you are going to have that evil crap in game.

Exstazik · January 2015

Make pets immune to DMG! (i don't care about OP.... i want to be OP as sorc)
Make pets to do 1)bleed and 2) daedric dot every sec.1 dot-300dps
Give to Sorc pet's heal (not resto staff skill)

UrQuan · January 2015

You don't want daedric summoning. Don't pretend that you speak for everyone who plays a sorc. Some of us created sorc characters specifically because we wanted summoned companions. Some of us just want them to be more useful.

Merlin13KAGL · January 2015

Two different realms. Elemental focus (Fire, Frost, Lightning - vice Fire, Fire, Fire) should be a separate thing, not requiring removal of the summoning tree.

If you want to add to the class, fine (suspect that's what CP's will do). Don't assume that because you are ineffective at the Summoning tree or don't care for it that everyone else feels the same.

It should be buffed, but it shouldn't be the only option. I don't suspect it will be.

Kilandros · January 2015

UrQuan wrote: »

You don't want daedric summoning. Don't pretend that you speak for everyone who plays a sorc. Some of us created sorc characters specifically because we wanted summoned companions. Some of us just want them to be more useful.

More "useful" Pets is a pipe dream. Summons worked great in games like Skyrim because it's single player and skill balance is rather unimportant. But MMOs are notorious for being unable to balance Pets. Look at GW2 and the Ranger class, for example.

So why not make Summoning a World Skill line so people who enjoy summons (like you) can have that play style without handicapping a class? That seems a reasonable solution, imo.

NotSo · January 2015

When first starting the game and I saw the daedric summoning skill line, the first thing I thought was "summon daedric weapon".
Was super bumbed when it was only unappealing armor with aesthetics that I'm not particularly fond of.

Shunravi · January 2015

Kilandros wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

You don't want daedric summoning. Don't pretend that you speak for everyone who plays a sorc. Some of us created sorc characters specifically because we wanted summoned companions. Some of us just want them to be more useful.

More "useful" Pets is a pipe dream. Summons worked great in games like Skyrim because it's single player and skill balance is rather unimportant. But MMOs are notorious for being unable to balance Pets. Look at GW2 and the Ranger class, for example.

So why not make Summoning a World Skill line so people who enjoy summons (like you) can have that play style without handicapping a class? That seems a reasonable solution, imo.

Of the three lines that sorcerers came equipped with, one is summoning. That is part of the class design. Just because you did not do your research, or have the stereotypical 'sorc=pure caster' stuck in your head does not mean they should alter their class design to suit your whining.

Exstazik · January 2015

Kilandros wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

You don't want daedric summoning. Don't pretend that you speak for everyone who plays a sorc. Some of us created sorc characters specifically because we wanted summoned companions. Some of us just want them to be more useful.

More "useful" Pets is a pipe dream. Summons worked great in games like Skyrim because it's single player and skill balance is rather unimportant. But MMOs are notorious for being unable to balance Pets. Look at GW2 and the Ranger class, for example.

So why not make Summoning a World Skill line so people who enjoy summons (like you) can have that play style without handicapping a class? That seems a reasonable solution, imo.

i really don't understand why.Live,show us summoning skills from spellcraft...so does it mean we will be able to make new
"Standarts of Might"?
"Reflecting scale"?

Valencer · January 2015

We don't? Man, all this time I was thinking I actually liked the sorcerer, but now I see the truth. Thanks for opening my eyes.

Now that I think about it, the whole class is one giant pet trap. It's not like they've put anything in the class description warning players of summoning skills. And most of the pet skills don't come into play until late-game so there's no real way to know early that the sorcerer class should be avoided.

AlnilamE · January 2015

Can "we" please not pretend to speak for every sorc out there?

Thank you!

Lynnessa · January 2015

NotSo wrote: »

When first starting the game and I saw the daedric summoning skill line, the first thing I thought was "summon daedric weapon".
Was super bumbed when it was only unappealing armor with aesthetics that I'm not particularly fond of.

Agreed, using bound weapons is fun!

olsborg · January 2015

While I love to use my twilight matriarch, specially in duels. I agree with the op somewhat. Besides, theres very few passives thats nice for pvp in any skill tree for sorc. Whereas nightblades have plenty of those.

Gyudan · January 2015

I agree. Giving access to the Daedric Summoning line through a World skill line would be the right solution. Pets will never be balanced and while they can be very fun to use, they make the sorcerer class weaker than its counterparts.

The player could make a pact with the daedric prince Clavicus Vile, granting him access to the summoning of daedric creatures. Progress through the line would work exactly as the Vampire line, by getting XP while having skills slotted on the active bar.

Kilandros · January 2015

Shunravi wrote: »

Kilandros wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

You don't want daedric summoning. Don't pretend that you speak for everyone who plays a sorc. Some of us created sorc characters specifically because we wanted summoned companions. Some of us just want them to be more useful.

More "useful" Pets is a pipe dream. Summons worked great in games like Skyrim because it's single player and skill balance is rather unimportant. But MMOs are notorious for being unable to balance Pets. Look at GW2 and the Ranger class, for example.

So why not make Summoning a World Skill line so people who enjoy summons (like you) can have that play style without handicapping a class? That seems a reasonable solution, imo.

Of the three lines that sorcerers came equipped with, one is summoning. That is part of the class design. Just because you did not do your research, or have the stereotypical 'sorc=pure caster' stuck in your head does not mean they should alter their class design to suit your whining.

Just because the class launched with a broken skill line doesn't mean that class should be forced to suffer for the life of the game. Besides, what do you care? You play a NB.

Shunravi · January 2015

olsborg wrote: »

While I love to use my twilight matriarch, specially in duels. I agree with the op somewhat. Besides, theres very few passives thats nice for pvp in any skill tree for sorc. Whereas nightblades have plenty of those.

Yea... That is pretty annoying. Hopefully 1.6 will fix at least some of that.

Kilandros · January 2015

AlnilamE wrote: »

Can "we" please not pretend to speak for every sorc out there?

Thank you!

I obviously wasn't speaking for people who, like you, main other classes.

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO · January 2015

Ive been playing a sorc who has pets. I am currently vr9. I dont understand why people dont like pets. I use mine all the time I plow through all the content like its nothing.

Lynx7386 · January 2015

You really need to stop looking at them as pets and start looking at them as fire and forget damage over time spells.

I just hope that the new version of daedric curse (that buffs pet damage on the target), and the pet boosting damage shield spell that sorcs have, will work with the extra pets that are summoned via spellcrafting. So far we know there will be a flame atronach pet you can summon, and we've heard rumors of animal-style pets summoned with spellcrafting. If all of these got the benefits of the daedric summoning tree when used by sorcerors, a pet build might actually be fun and workable. Imagine having a twilight, clannfear, and flame atronach all attacking enemies for you while you put on the daedric curse and keep them shielded.

RinaldoGandolphi · January 2015

Kilandros wrote: »

Sorcerers do not want this broken skill line. Sorcerers do not want a passive, pet-based play style.

Remove Daedric Summoning (make it a world skill tree for everyone) and give Sorcerers a more interesting and active DPS skill tree. A Frost tree, for example.

Please stop trying to force feed us Pets builds. You will never get Pet balance right--very few MMOs have ever succeeded in that. And even if you get close to "balance," Pets will remain a boring and passive play style that will be unwanted to end-game group content because Pets will cannibalize important group heals, among other drawbacks.

umm..this is the one part im actually looking forward to. Again, pets can be mildly OP and still be ok, 3/4th of the skills in this game are OP anyways, and slightly OP pets will fit right in. This game will never be balanced anyways.

Pets should be a real threat to kill a player in PVP, if their not a real threat that needs attention, then they are worthless....many player will cry about this, but like anything else, they will have to change tactics and perhaps skills to deal with it...it is what it is...just like folks have to change skills and approaches when dealing with Reflective Scales, Blazing Shield, etc.

I for one am hoping Pets are really good come 1.6 im excited as all can be that i may finally be able to play a Summoner from the Morrowind/Oblivion/Skyrim times...it will be a blast...have a Necropotence set sitting in my bank just waiting

Kilandros · January 2015

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Ive been playing a sorc who has pets. I am currently vr9. I dont understand why people dont like pets. I use mine all the time I plow through all the content like its nothing.

Because the cake walk that is single player content in the VR zones =/= end-game competitive group content where literally no Sorcs run pet builds.

timidobserver · January 2015

Another poster trying to use "we" in place of "I" in order to add more credibility to their opinion.

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO · January 2015

Kilandros wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Ive been playing a sorc who has pets. I am currently vr9. I dont understand why people dont like pets. I use mine all the time I plow through all the content like its nothing.

Because the cake walk that is single player content in the VR zones =/= end-game competitive group content where literally no Sorcs run pet builds.

Did you miss the part where I said I am VR9?

Kilandros · January 2015

timidobserver wrote: »

Another poster trying to use "we" in place of "I" in order to add more credibility to their opinion.

So are you saying that you use Pets in virtually all of your builds, including competitive end-game group content? Please confirm.

Kilandros · January 2015

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Kilandros wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Ive been playing a sorc who has pets. I am currently vr9. I dont understand why people dont like pets. I use mine all the time I plow through all the content like its nothing.

Because the cake walk that is single player content in the VR zones =/= end-game competitive group content where literally no Sorcs run pet builds.

Did you miss the part where I said I am VR9?

Nope, pretty sure I addressed that when I mentioned "single player content in the VR zones."

I have no doubt your Pet build is fine when doing single player story quests, even at VR9. If you want to post a SS of your build, your place on the leaderboards, and a video of your Pet build, I'll gladly watch it.

UrQuan · January 2015

Kilandros wrote: »

AlnilamE wrote: »

Can "we" please not pretend to speak for every sorc out there?

Thank you!

I obviously wasn't speaking for people who, like you, main other classes.

Yes, because obviously everyone in the world who plays a sorcerer as their main must agree with you. Obviously there is not a single sorc player who actually likes the idea of being a summoner. Obviously you can read the mind of every single person who plays ESO.

You seem to have a problem with not understanding the difference between your opinion and facts. The fact is that some sorcerer players want summoning and some don't. Your opinion is that you don't want it. Understand the difference now? You don't speak for everyone.

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jamesharv2005ub17_ESO · January 2015

Kilandros wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Kilandros wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Ive been playing a sorc who has pets. I am currently vr9. I dont understand why people dont like pets. I use mine all the time I plow through all the content like its nothing.

Because the cake walk that is single player content in the VR zones =/= end-game competitive group content where literally no Sorcs run pet builds.

Did you miss the part where I said I am VR9?

Nope, pretty sure I addressed that when I mentioned "single player content in the VR zones."

I have no doubt your Pet build is fine when doing single player story quests, even at VR9. If you want to post a SS of your build, your place on the leaderboards, and a video of your Pet build, I'll gladly watch it.

So you think I got to VR9 simply by doing solo stuff? As far as leaderboards who cares about that stuff? I am in it to have fun not to worry about shaving seconds off a time etc.