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NordJitsu✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I don't think they need to nerf Snipe or bows. Stamina builds are really powerful right now, but that's not a bad thing.
I'd rather see them buff Magicka builds (particularly Sorc and Templar DPS) so that someone other than a full Medium Armor Archer can put out this kind of burst DPS.0 -
Junipus✭✭✭✭✭Only true glass cannons or bad players spam snipe. Any good archer worth his salt mixes in other skills to maximise DPS.
Also, only way I know to get more than 2k crit is with mundus enchanted armour instead of impen, making it even easier to kill if the initial burst fails.
Btw @QuadroTony, if you're EU AD I look forward to hunting you
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QuadroTony✭✭✭✭✭okay!! watch out about my aims, they will kill you very fast!!
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and ofc my gear without any useless impenetrable traits
only divines!!! and shadow stone!!!
only true Glass canon!!
usually i have 1 death on 10-15 kills but im only 13 rank and still need few better items, will seeEdited by QuadroTony on January 16, 2015 8:25PM0 -
Soris✭✭✭✭✭
✭cote-bmsb16_ESO wrote: »They aren't wearing inpen on your armor in cyrodil thats why you're nearly getting blasted for 2k in one hit. Do you even block and roll dodge? Snipe takes a big chunk of stamina and you can't spam it like impulse, or the Dks flappy wings. If you're getting wrecked by bows, you're probably getting wrecked by every other build too.
Snipe cost 250ish in full medium armor. A single dodge cost more than that in heavy and light armor. So you can't dodge each arrow.
Blocking helps a little but that endless heal debuff is nasty when spammed.
So you will be ***'ed no matter what you do to counter it
Edited by Soris on January 16, 2015 8:23PMWelkynd [Templar/AD/EU]0 -
Digiman✭✭✭✭✭LoS + stealth works no matter what. But I agree its DPS output ATM is ridiculous. But until they change the other ranged skill weapon I don't see a point in nerfing another range ability.0 -
RinaldoGandolphi✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭I think upping snipe damage by 6% giving it a dead zone, and a 1.5 sec cast time it would be perfect.
It would be a great opening shot that would hit really hard, but it would require thought to use. Most snipers like the challenge of getting into position to deliver the shot.
PS:Crystal Frags price are not instant, they are about the same as a standard cast and have a ridiclios animation cool down making it a dos loss because you can't weave any attacks or anything with it. I hope they fix this.Rinaldo Gandolphi-Breton Sorcerer Daggerfall Covenant
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ThyIronFist✭✭✭✭✭cote-bmsb16_ESO wrote: »They aren't wearing inpen on your armor in cyrodil thats why you're nearly getting blasted for 2k in one hit. Do you even block and roll dodge? Snipe takes a big chunk of stamina and you can't spam it like impulse, or the Dks flappy wings. If you're getting wrecked by bows, you're probably getting wrecked by every other build too.
I'm in full impenetrable. Yes I do block and roll dodge, but I don't have infinite stamina unfortunately. Scales do not reflect attacks from stealth and they are a guarenteed crit.
/yawn these replies are getting boring.
Try to say something else other than roll dodge or block.The Elder Zergs Online
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Columba✭✭✭✭✭
✭ThyIronFist wrote: »Don't even try to defend bows. Was at Alessia bridge some days ago, all of this happened in one second:
It's rediculous, and don't come at me with brainless replies such as "block, dodge roll" etc. Just stop. Bows are ridiculous at the moment.
Lol, then you don't really want to succeed. Ok, how about wear some decent armor?
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Columba✭✭✭✭✭
✭ThyIronFist wrote: »cote-bmsb16_ESO wrote: »They aren't wearing inpen on your armor in cyrodil thats why you're nearly getting blasted for 2k in one hit. Do you even block and roll dodge? Snipe takes a big chunk of stamina and you can't spam it like impulse, or the Dks flappy wings. If you're getting wrecked by bows, you're probably getting wrecked by every other build too.
I'm in full impenetrable. Yes I do block and roll dodge, but I don't have infinite stamina unfortunately. Scales do not reflect attacks from stealth and they are a guarenteed crit.
/yawn these replies are getting boring.
Try to say something else other than roll dodge or block.
Ok then get more stamina, lol
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DDuke✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Oh god... who resurrected this fail thread?
If you want Snipe crits above 2k, you're going to have to stack combat prayer, potion, aggressive maneuvers, warhorn etc etc
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Getting addressed in the next patch, by limit on Major/Minor buffs (good).ThyIronFist wrote: »Don't even try to defend bows. Was at Alessia bridge some days ago, all of this happened in one second:
It's rediculous, and don't come at me with brainless replies such as "block, dodge roll" etc. Just stop. Bows are ridiculous at the moment.
I doubt it happened in one second, considering:
Initial Snipe hits->3 seconds to restealth->enemy starts casting snipe 2 seconds in->Snipe takes 1 second~ to land.
You had a grand total of 3-4 seconds to react before that second Snipe (empowered by Morag Tong set bonus) landed.
Human average reaction speed is 0,25 seconds.
Congratulations, you have the reflexes of a potato.Edited by DDuke on January 16, 2015 11:20PM5 -
RinaldoGandolphi✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Or he could just slot Radiant Magelight and enjoy a wonderful 56% reduction in all stealth attack damage against him, and be able to see people he couldn't normally see as a bonus
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Co-GM - MVP
Sorcerer's - The ONLY class in the game that is punished for using its class defining skill (Bolt Escape)
"Here in his shrine, that they have forgotten. Here do we toil, that we might remember. By night we reclaim, what by day was stolen. Far from ourselves, he grows ever near to us. Our eyes once were blinded, now through him do we see. Our hands once were idle, now through them does he speak. And when the world shall listen, and when the world shall see, and when the world remembers, that world will cease to be. - Miraak1 -
Lava_Croft✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭I have yet to meet a non-scrub who doesn't think the current implementation of Snipe is just silly.
The most vocal defender of Snipe in this thread is the same guy who cried endless tears about a skill called Impulse, an AoE skill with <10m range.
'Nuff said.
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DDuke✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Lava_Croft wrote: »I have yet to meet a non-scrub who doesn't think the current implementation of Snipe is just silly.
The most vocal defender of Snipe in this thread is the same guy who cried endless tears about a skill called Impulse, an AoE skill with <10m range.
'Nuff said.
I'd take back the old Snipe (and stealth damage) in a heartbeat
That thing was far, far stronger than the current joke of a skill.2 -
NordJitsu✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Lava_Croft wrote: »I have yet to meet a non-scrub who doesn't think the current implementation of Snipe is just silly.
The most vocal defender of Snipe in this thread is the same guy who cried endless tears about a skill called Impulse, an AoE skill with <10m range.
'Nuff said.
I'd take back the old Snipe (and stealth damage) in a heartbeat
That thing was far, far stronger than the current joke of a skill.
Which is why so many more people were using it back then.
/sarcasm
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Grim13✭✭✭✭✭
✭After many, many months of dealing with all of you impulse, batswarm spamming jackasses... it's nice to get a little pay back with Snipe.
Ahhhh... melting all of you light armour wearers in 3 seconds really puts a smile on my face.0 -
QuadroTony✭✭✭✭✭i love to see like vamps in light armor blow up from my two Aims with camoflague hunter3
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RinaldoGandolphi✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭I will say I don't think Snipe is OP, I think it might be a little too good...that means easier to be successful with. Its annoying but it does have counters, such as RML and damage shields...as a sorc hardened ward is up 100% of the time.
Just to give you an idea how effective Radiant Magelight is...Lethal Arrow + Poison injection+ Light attack weave that is so popular right now? Does about 900 -1000 damage to me combined , this is with 7 LA because RML is a 56% stealth damage reduction at rank 4, it costs 2 ability slots and 5% of my max magic to use, I'm forced to give up 2 ability slots that I could use for damage or healing for greater survivability.
I could understand folks thinking snipe is too good, but you do have skills that can counter it, every skill you slot is a choice, if you choose to use mostly offensive skills or put most of your attributes into mag or stamina your giving up survivability for damage, there is tradeoffs.
I don't use a bow, but anymore I just slot RML and call it a day, they sneak me, I laugh with my 3300+ hp bolt away, they don't kill me, I often come back later when the odds are more favorable and finish the job the lethal arrow user started Rinaldo Gandolphi-Breton Sorcerer Daggerfall Covenant
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Officer Fire and Ice
Co-GM - MVP
Sorcerer's - The ONLY class in the game that is punished for using its class defining skill (Bolt Escape)
"Here in his shrine, that they have forgotten. Here do we toil, that we might remember. By night we reclaim, what by day was stolen. Far from ourselves, he grows ever near to us. Our eyes once were blinded, now through him do we see. Our hands once were idle, now through them does he speak. And when the world shall listen, and when the world shall see, and when the world remembers, that world will cease to be. - Miraak0 -
Columba✭✭✭✭✭
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Lol. Lack of comprehension for $100, Alex. Snipe doesn't lag out battles, genius. L2pLava_Croft wrote: »I have yet to meet a non-scrub who doesn't think the current implementation of Snipe is just silly.
The most vocal defender of Snipe in this thread is the same guy who cried endless tears about a skill called Impulse, an AoE skill with <10m range.
'Nuff said.
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Asgari✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Snipe hits harder, shortest cast time, heal debuff, stun all in one. Please what other skill does this?Formerly @Persian_Princess .. Now @Asgari
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yodased✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I siege. A lot. Like a real lot. That means i am the target of hidden snipes pretty constantly. Alot of times I will get killed on said siege from snipe if I am not quick enough to react, but me as a dragon knight I can survive it with purge gdb roll dodge.
The thing I notice though is that if I live the massive majority of players have an oh cramp moment and I can overtake them pretty easily.
The better players will stay on the offense and take me out.
That says something to me. It says that person expects me to be dead with that initial barrage of snipe and light attack snipe combo.
That can in my opinion only come from experience, they are used to running through someone instantly.
Tl;dr really weigh the fun you have in game vs the business practices you are supporting.1 -
Soris✭✭✭✭✭
✭I doubt it happened in one second, considering:
Initial Snipe hits->3 seconds to restealth->enemy starts casting snipe 2 seconds in->Snipe takes 1 second~ to land.
You had a grand total of 3-4 seconds to react before that second Snipe (empowered by Morag Tong set bonus) landed.
Human average reaction speed is 0,25 seconds.
Congratulations, you have the reflexes of a potato.
Hmm total of 3-4 seconds to react is bit of hyperbole imo.
Snipe hits -> restealth with cancelling cloak animation -> fire another snipe which has 1.1 sec cast time and 1 sec flight time.
Total required amount of time is 2.1 seconds to second snipe lands on target. If you don't even need restealth, then just 1 second is enough to hit second snipe.
It's almost enough time for only CC break.
And not many snipers picking targets who are in peace. They are almost every time picking targets who are actually in fight. And in a fight, if you get 1k dmg(+-) from a single skill +stun means you are pretty ***'ed already.
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Asgari✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I doubt it happened in one second, considering:
Initial Snipe hits->3 seconds to restealth->enemy starts casting snipe 2 seconds in->Snipe takes 1 second~ to land.
You had a grand total of 3-4 seconds to react before that second Snipe (empowered by Morag Tong set bonus) landed.
Human average reaction speed is 0,25 seconds.
Congratulations, you have the reflexes of a potato.
Hmm total of 3-4 seconds to react is bit of hyperbole imo.
Snipe hits -> restealth with cancelling cloak animation -> fire another snipe which has 1.1 sec cast time and 1 sec flight time.
Total required amount of time is 2.1 seconds to second snipe lands on target. If you don't even need restealth, then just 1 second is enough to hit second snipe.
It's almost enough time for only CC break.
And not many snipers picking targets who are in peace. They are almost every time picking targets who are actually in fight. And in a fight, if you get 1k dmg(+-) from a single skill +stun means you are pretty ***'ed already.
At full distance any class can get 2 snipes off now before out of stealth and follow up with any number of attacks out of stealth.Formerly @Persian_Princess .. Now @Asgari
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Grim13✭✭✭✭✭
✭Princess_Asgari wrote: »I doubt it happened in one second, considering:
Initial Snipe hits->3 seconds to restealth->enemy starts casting snipe 2 seconds in->Snipe takes 1 second~ to land.
You had a grand total of 3-4 seconds to react before that second Snipe (empowered by Morag Tong set bonus) landed.
Human average reaction speed is 0,25 seconds.
Congratulations, you have the reflexes of a potato.
Hmm total of 3-4 seconds to react is bit of hyperbole imo.
Snipe hits -> restealth with cancelling cloak animation -> fire another snipe which has 1.1 sec cast time and 1 sec flight time.
Total required amount of time is 2.1 seconds to second snipe lands on target. If you don't even need restealth, then just 1 second is enough to hit second snipe.
It's almost enough time for only CC break.
And not many snipers picking targets who are in peace. They are almost every time picking targets who are actually in fight. And in a fight, if you get 1k dmg(+-) from a single skill +stun means you are pretty ***'ed already.
At full distance any class can get 2 snipes off now before out of stealth and follow up with any number of attacks out of stealth.
bwaaaaaahahhahahaahahahahahhhhhhhhhhh!!!!
just...
just...
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DDuke✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Princess_Asgari wrote: »I doubt it happened in one second, considering:
Initial Snipe hits->3 seconds to restealth->enemy starts casting snipe 2 seconds in->Snipe takes 1 second~ to land.
You had a grand total of 3-4 seconds to react before that second Snipe (empowered by Morag Tong set bonus) landed.
Human average reaction speed is 0,25 seconds.
Congratulations, you have the reflexes of a potato.
Hmm total of 3-4 seconds to react is bit of hyperbole imo.
Snipe hits -> restealth with cancelling cloak animation -> fire another snipe which has 1.1 sec cast time and 1 sec flight time.
Total required amount of time is 2.1 seconds to second snipe lands on target. If you don't even need restealth, then just 1 second is enough to hit second snipe.
It's almost enough time for only CC break.
And not many snipers picking targets who are in peace. They are almost every time picking targets who are actually in fight. And in a fight, if you get 1k dmg(+-) from a single skill +stun means you are pretty ***'ed already.
At full distance any class can get 2 snipes off now before out of stealth and follow up with any number of attacks out of stealth.
Only first hit gets stealth damage bonus, second's (landing 1,3 seconds later) damage is laughable on targets with impenetrable, leaving your maximum burst at around 2k-2.5k~ (unless stacking combat prayers etc).
There is a far, far better way to burst with bow than spamming Snipe, and it used to deal a lot more damage before Snipe was "buffed".
Hint: you can find it in my videos.Lava_Croft wrote: »I have yet to meet a non-scrub who doesn't think the current implementation of Snipe is just silly.
The most vocal defender of Snipe in this thread is the same guy who cried endless tears about a skill called Impulse, an AoE skill with <10m range.
'Nuff said.
I'd take back the old Snipe (and stealth damage) in a heartbeat
That thing was far, far stronger than the current joke of a skill.
Which is why so many more people were using it back then.
/sarcasm
Because most people spamming AoEs in a train or jumping in any bandwagon are obviously good players
For the 100th time, popular/=/good.
As for why bows are popular, you just have to look at how they "advertised" buffing stamina builds in 1.5, and the removal of forward camps (obviously, less dying/running back if you snipe from far away).
Snipe before 1.5: a good 1vX/1v1 (opener only) skill
Snipe post 1.5: a good Xv1 skill, an average 1v1 openerI doubt it happened in one second, considering:
Initial Snipe hits->3 seconds to restealth->enemy starts casting snipe 2 seconds in->Snipe takes 1 second~ to land.
You had a grand total of 3-4 seconds to react before that second Snipe (empowered by Morag Tong set bonus) landed.
Human average reaction speed is 0,25 seconds.
Congratulations, you have the reflexes of a potato.
Hmm total of 3-4 seconds to react is bit of hyperbole imo.
Snipe hits -> restealth with cancelling cloak animation -> fire another snipe which has 1.1 sec cast time and 1 sec flight time.
Total required amount of time is 2.1 seconds to second snipe lands on target. If you don't even need restealth, then just 1 second is enough to hit second snipe.
It's almost enough time for only CC break.
And not many snipers picking targets who are in peace. They are almost every time picking targets who are actually in fight. And in a fight, if you get 1k dmg(+-) from a single skill +stun means you are pretty ***'ed already.
This would be the case, except that there is the 1,2 second global cooldown on skills after casting cloak, meaning you'll have to add that to the 2.1 seconds (a total of 3.3 seconds, if perfectly executed).
Reflexes of a potato, that's all I have to say.Edited by DDuke on January 17, 2015 2:13AM3 -
QuadroTony✭✭✭✭✭cloak time not enough to cast+reach target for Focused Aim
so we need to cast cloak AFTER we make second shoot0 -
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Junipus✭✭✭✭✭Princess_Asgari wrote: »At full distance any class can get 2 snipes off now before out of stealth and follow up with any number of attacks out of stealth.
QTF.
If someone isn't a vamp then I shoot two snipes and then break stealth with LA/Poison injection. Means the snipes don't hit for more than 1000, but the LA reaches 800 and the poison injection has a chance to crit for up to 500 so in about 2-3 seconds there's 3300 DPS done on targets. If they survive that burst then further 1000 dps LA/PI makes quick work of things.
Not infallible, but better than snipe, snipe, snipe and then dead because the second one missed.The Legendary Nothing3
