About Snipe...

Manoekin · December 2014

Perichor wrote: »

Columba wrote: »

Perichor wrote: »

Dude: Hey ZOS lethal arrow is doing 1.9k+ damage and is nearly spammable and comes with a health debuff

ZOS: ALRIGHTY!! were nerfing refelctive scales HAVE FUN!!!

Learn to block, dodge, shield or any of another 10 ways to mitigate it. Get some decent armor. I only hit that hard against level 20s.

right learn to block this

GIFSoup

Ahhh yes. The perfect gif to sum up pvp right now.

Asgari · December 2014

Perichor wrote: »

Columba wrote: »

Perichor wrote: »

Dude: Hey ZOS lethal arrow is doing 1.9k+ damage and is nearly spammable and comes with a health debuff

ZOS: ALRIGHTY!! were nerfing refelctive scales HAVE FUN!!!

Learn to block, dodge, shield or any of another 10 ways to mitigate it. Get some decent armor. I only hit that hard against level 20s.

right learn to block this

GIFSoup

Every night, in every battle.

kijima · December 2014

Those archers would have been screwed if the 300 were dragon knights.

It would have been flappy flap with 300 pairs of wings then seconds later, ten thousand dead archers on the ground, because that's how PvP really is.

Reflective scales would have ruined the ending of the movie, just like it's ruined PvP.

NordJitsu · December 2014

People really won't be happy until this game is nerfed to the point where nothing is strong or fun to play any more.

The people whining about Snipe now are the same people who whined about Bolt Escape. In other words, people who don't want to bother to learn counters.

I don't use a Bow. But I think it would be a travesty if Snipe were nerfed. Diverse play styles are good for the game.

Because of the increase in Snipe (change in the meta) I've invested more in armor and Impenetrable. I've also gotten better over time of watching for it an knowing when to block/dodge it. I also make sure to have an emergency heal on my bar so that I can survive the burst damage and hunt down the sniper.

In other words, it's caused me to think and improve which is good for the game.

Subtomik · December 2014

thats part of the problem with snipe imo. Meta is supposed to represent the overall strategy, yes it's fluid, yes it changes.

But a good meta shouldn't be represented by "get a bow, snipe"

DDuke · December 2014

Subtomik wrote: »

thats part of the problem with snipe imo. Meta is supposed to represent the overall strategy, yes it's fluid, yes it changes.

But a good meta shouldn't be represented by "get a bow, snipe"

Bow is the popular build out there, but it is not the "meta".

Meta implies something that is a counter & strong against popular builds out there.

E.g. "A lot of people playing with bows at the moment, I think I'll slot reflective scales" or "Bows are everywhere, so I'll wear more heavy armour & slot a dmg shield". Those would be crude examples of metagame.

If Snipe spam was a counter against anything popular, it'd be considered a meta build.

That said, any decent bow user knows that spamming Snipe will only get you killed in 1v1 or 1vX situations.

The only thing it's good for is shooting a single target with 3+ other people to make up for the lost burst dmg from the near removal of stealth attack dmg in patch 1.5.

I hope no one is suggesting that people shouldn't die after being hit by snipes from multiple people.

Subtomik · December 2014

I didnt say it was the "new meta" I said it shouldnt be. The if you dont think this game has seen an insane increase in bow usage you are either blind or a bow user who doesnt want to see.

I dont care about snipe, it got the heal debuff fix it needed, im fine with it. But I see peoples complaints and the validity in them.

Asgari · December 2014

Subtomik wrote: »

I didnt say it was the "new meta" I said it shouldnt be. The if you dont think this game has seen an insane increase in bow usage you are either blind or a bow user who doesnt want to see.

I dont care about snipe, it got the heal debuff fix it needed, im fine with it. But I see peoples complaints and the validity in them.

Come on now. You know as well as everyone else there aren't THAT many bow users. It's not like 9 out of 10 kill logs have some form of bow in it.

DDuke · December 2014

Yes, there are a lot more bow users, perhaps more than there should be.

Is snipe better than before? No, certainly not. Quite the opposite in fact, but people got hyped about the supposed "buffs" pre 1.5 & decided to try it out and probably found it fun.

So how to fix this? There are more options than just nerfing it even more, making it even more unplayable for people who enjoy competitive PvP (not ganking loners with dozen other people).

Option 1

Revert changes to Snipe. Revert changes to sneak attack damage.
I'd be more than happy about this, but it probably wouldn't fix the problem now that bows have become popular.

Option 2

Make other, currently unviable playstyles playable & interesting.

Melee stamina builds could be made more popular by giving them significantly more stealth burst damage than bow currently has with Snipe, and/or giving them abilities that would help make the playstyle work, e.g. something that breaks block & prevents opponent from blocking for x seconds.
Rogue or assassin type characters.

Magicka builds not dependant on having dmg shields / heals. This could be done by separating spell dmg & healing, with dmg shields & healing using the other resource. I don't see many other options, short of changing the CC system drastically, but maybe Champion System has something for this issue.
Archetypical mage characters

I'm sure there are plenty of other playstyles currently not supported, but those were the first two that came to my mind.

Now, I don't know about you, but to me it sounds like a no-brainer that "class" diversity should be achieved by making as many working playstyles as possible, not only "spam scales, dmg shields or heals" & "snipe people" as it currently is.

Junipus · December 2014

DDuke wrote: »

The only thing it's good for is shooting a single target with 3+ other people to make up for the lost burst dmg from the near removal of stealth attack dmg in patch 1.5

Exactly. Pre 1.5 one-shotting people was a reality and an easy thing to do with the right build and some luck with crit.

Now, even the most expert bow user has to use snipe mixed with other attacks to achieve the same level of burst. Spamming lethal arrow or focused aim against a good target will only leave you dead in 1v1 and nowhere near as effective in 1vX

Columba · December 2014

Pulse monkeydom is the new meta. bows aren't nearly as prevalent as the spam staves. You don't even need a shield to block arrows. Learn to block and dodge roll, lol. Not to mention the dozens of other things to absorb damage. I rarely die to snipe. l2p

Xsorus · December 2014

Subtomik wrote: »

thats part of the problem with snipe imo. Meta is supposed to represent the overall strategy, yes it's fluid, yes it changes.

But a good meta shouldn't be represented by "get a bow, snipe"

Umm if you want range on a stamina user you pretty much have
To get a bow... You see a big uptic of bow users now because stamina got a buff last patch, thus more now users because that's our range weapon. Make no mistake though bow was always used by stamina users there are just more of them now. I notice a lot of people whining about now bow now seem to have zero problem with the sea of light armor staff users

Perichor · December 2014

Columba wrote: »

Pulse monkeydom is the new meta. bows aren't nearly as prevalent as the spam staves. You don't even need a shield to block arrows. Learn to block and dodge roll, lol. Not to mention the dozens of other things to absorb damage. I rarely die to snipe. l2p

thats probably because you are the sniper LOL impulse doesnt ever do 2k damage btw

AND it doesnt surprise me that your "pro" snipe and "anti" impulse most baddies in the game can pick up a bow and just wreck LOL

this is their rotation

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Columba · December 2014

lol only crap archers spam sniper. get good.

Syntse · December 2014

I just wish they would remove recon/snipers from fps games cause they are annoying when they climb up the buildings 1000m from objective and just one shot snipe everyone from there.

Columba · December 2014

Syntse wrote: »

I just wish they would remove recon/snipers from fps games cause they are annoying when they climb up the buildings 1000m from objective and just one shot snipe everyone from there.

hahahahah 1000M? One shot everything? wow much hyperbole?

Syntse · December 2014

Columba wrote: »

Syntse wrote: »

I just wish they would remove recon/snipers from fps games cause they are annoying when they climb up the buildings 1000m from objective and just one shot snipe everyone from there.

hahahahah 1000M? One shot everything? wow much hyperbole?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YD1oo-gItaI

Perichor · December 2014

Syntse wrote: »

Columba wrote: »

Syntse wrote: »

I just wish they would remove recon/snipers from fps games cause they are annoying when they climb up the buildings 1000m from objective and just one shot snipe everyone from there.

hahahahah 1000M? One shot everything? wow much hyperbole?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YD1oo-gItaI

LOL hahaha

that sniper dont got a @#%^ing thing on ESO bow snipe

Syntse · December 2014

Perichor wrote: »

Syntse wrote: »

Columba wrote: »

Syntse wrote: »

I just wish they would remove recon/snipers from fps games cause they are annoying when they climb up the buildings 1000m from objective and just one shot snipe everyone from there.

hahahahah 1000M? One shot everything? wow much hyperbole?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YD1oo-gItaI

LOL hahaha

that sniper dont got a @#%^ing thing on ESO bow snipe

So much noise on sniping that happens under 100m and takes maybe 1/3 of your health. Snipe should be 500m and one shot kill you unless blocked. Maybe then there might be something to complain about.

Generally I referred to fps as this complaining about sniping doing 1200dmg resembles quite a lot of the crying of snipers in fps games that one shot kill you where AR users need 4-5 hits to kill someone.

Is sniping annoying in ESO and in FPS, Yes. Is it part of the game, Yes. Deal with it.

Columba · December 2014

if you need instructions on how to block or dodge, I can help you, lol.

suycyco · December 2014

Give more synergie to other stam weapon, give me stam base ultimates, give me a way as a NB (DK and temp seams to have less problems) to survive when exposed, and I quit my bow with pleasure.
I've uped all stam weapon, and tried all possibilities , but without the initial burst of bow (my favorite rotation is lethal arrow, poison injection, then switch to 2H and charge to try to finnish the work eyes to eyes) I don't see how to manage a magicka users...

If you see so much bow users, it's also because people are sick of the "dress and staves" meta we have since the launch and want something else but other stamina's build since they are very powerfull in pve they are actually to squishy in pvp.

Sanct16 · December 2014

Give snipe a 20% misschance in pvp. There is no reason why ab arrow should always hit an moving enemy.

Sanct16 · December 2014

Give snipe a 20% misschance in pvp. There is no reason why ab arrow should always hit an moving enemy.

suycyco · December 2014

So do it with every projectile (spell included)...

Oh I forgot, if we want to be logical then, blocking a swing of a guy who is in your back should'nt exist also.

capcody · December 2014

snipe is fine. im a archer my self. full glass cannon. i dish out high deeps. but when a archer gets hold of me. or if u get nightblade marked. or first snipe that hits u. ( if stunned , break free )then roll/dodge, take tri pot,now the fight is then turned in your favor. assuming u know what your doing. and can close the distance. but there is a bug with the snipe stun from stealth. some times u can break free others it bugs out and your stuck full duration. and usually =dead.and if your not wearing at least 3 peices inpen on your gear. well hello heavy crit numbers

Cinbri · January 2015

Every single big battle.Hope in 1.6 since ult regaing, it won't be like bow zerg vs bow zerg. For now when archers sees 15 dks and 1 templar, guess who will be target №1 for every single sniper. 5 lethal arrows death recap is an ordinary thing for my templar now. And it is weird to bet all your chances to win on just 1 skill. At least in 1vs1 those snipers are useless and always running away after ambush with lethal arrow is failed. Nbs who, like Sypher, can really fight instead of sneaking and awaiting easy target for hours, are very rare for now

ThyIronFist · January 2015

Don't even try to defend bows. Was at Alessia bridge some days ago, all of this happened in one second:

It's rediculous, and don't come at me with brainless replies such as "block, dodge roll" etc. Just stop. Bows are ridiculous at the moment.

QuadroTony · January 2015

woodsro wrote: »

A 1k snipe becomes a 550-650 snipe, I have 3.2k hp, that's manageable.

from sneak i will always crit
my average crit is 2500+
my record crit from focused aim 3000+
the second shoot will be also crit if i will cast invis from NB shadow skillline.

so dream on

cote-bmsb16_ESO · January 2015

They aren't wearing inpen on your armor in cyrodil thats why you're nearly getting blasted for 2k in one hit. Do you even block and roll dodge? Snipe takes a big chunk of stamina and you can't spam it like impulse, or the Dks flappy wings. If you're getting wrecked by bows, you're probably getting wrecked by every other build too.

QuadroTony · January 2015

my average crit in CYRODIIL 2500+

2-3 shoots enough for kill

i have 2700 stamina too