ESO live- Clarification on how ultimate will be generated in 1.6

DeLindsay · December 2014

Epsilon_Echo wrote: »

Depending on the rate of gain this could Bjork trial speed runs beyond all repair. What wonders we have to discover in 1.6.

What? No more 9 minute Trial runs, the horror.

DeLindsay · December 2014

Skullemainia wrote: »

so tanks, you are screwed!!!!!

Um nope, I will be able to drop VoB MUCH more frequently with the change in 1.6 than I can now when I tank just one target, the Boss. It's only AOE situations where I might not be able to drop VoB so much as to overlap them.

Epsilon_Echo · December 2014

DeLindsay wrote: »

Epsilon_Echo wrote: »

Depending on the rate of gain this could Bjork trial speed runs beyond all repair. What wonders we have to discover in 1.6.

What? No more 9 minute Trial runs, the horror.

Ooooh a sassy one here. But we shall see how fun it is to run a trial with sorcs who can't get their negate up.... just got a weird mental image give me a moment..

Gorthax · December 2014

r.jan_emailb16_ESO wrote: »

That means that as a tank I will have even less ultimate because if I try to light attack, the really tough bosses will most likeley knock me out. Great change. Can't even boost my ultimate in between fights sounds fun. If it really works like that, it's gonna be a huge change to the meta builds.

It is called TIMING YOUR LA/HA lol it is not that hard. It just means no more can a tank in pvp stand there, block, and spam batswarm (or any ulti). I think it is bloody brilliant! L2P issue FOR REAL now lol its not hard to get ONE light attack in every 8 seconds.

Sorry tanks in pvp, no more stupid fast ulti spam for you. As for tanks in pve, the boss is not constantly attacking without a window of opportunity for you to hit left mouse once every 8 seconds. Seriously, stop crying and stop making it sound like it is the end of the world. The 3 ulti every second for 8 seconds is actually going to help tanks in pve. Time your light attack, end of story.

Shinra · December 2014

Gorthax wrote: »

r.jan_emailb16_ESO wrote: »

That means that as a tank I will have even less ultimate because if I try to light attack, the really tough bosses will most likeley knock me out. Great change. Can't even boost my ultimate in between fights sounds fun. If it really works like that, it's gonna be a huge change to the meta builds.

It is called TIMING YOUR LA/HA lol it is not that hard. It just means no more can a tank in pvp stand there, block, and spam batswarm (or any ulti). I think it is bloody brilliant! L2P issue FOR REAL now lol its not hard to get ONE light attack in every 8 seconds.

Sorry tanks in pvp, no more stupid fast ulti spam for you. As for tanks in pve, the boss is not constantly attacking without a window of opportunity for you to hit left mouse once every 8 seconds. Seriously, stop crying and stop making it sound like it is the end of the world. The 3 ulti every second for 8 seconds is actually going to help tanks in pve. Time your light attack, end of story.

Still wouldn't matter if they would just make that tick activate on blocking too, right? the spamming will still be over with 1.6.

And by your logic, why would healers get special treatment? A heavy or light attack every 8 seconds shouldn't be a problem for a healer, right?

Gorthax · December 2014

Shinra wrote: »

Gorthax wrote: »

r.jan_emailb16_ESO wrote: »

That means that as a tank I will have even less ultimate because if I try to light attack, the really tough bosses will most likeley knock me out. Great change. Can't even boost my ultimate in between fights sounds fun. If it really works like that, it's gonna be a huge change to the meta builds.

It is called TIMING YOUR LA/HA lol it is not that hard. It just means no more can a tank in pvp stand there, block, and spam batswarm (or any ulti). I think it is bloody brilliant! L2P issue FOR REAL now lol its not hard to get ONE light attack in every 8 seconds.

Sorry tanks in pvp, no more stupid fast ulti spam for you. As for tanks in pve, the boss is not constantly attacking without a window of opportunity for you to hit left mouse once every 8 seconds. Seriously, stop crying and stop making it sound like it is the end of the world. The 3 ulti every second for 8 seconds is actually going to help tanks in pve. Time your light attack, end of story.

Still wouldn't matter if they would just make that tick activate on blocking too, right? the spamming will still be over with 1.6.

And by your logic, why would healers get special treatment? A heavy or light attack every 8 seconds shouldn't be a problem for a healer, right?

most the time healers are not using light or heavy and are busy healing UNLESS they run out of magicka or need to regen a little. So by ZoS logic, healing someone who has the buff makes perfect sense for a healer.

Shinra · December 2014

Gorthax wrote: »

Shinra wrote: »

Gorthax wrote: »

r.jan_emailb16_ESO wrote: »

That means that as a tank I will have even less ultimate because if I try to light attack, the really tough bosses will most likeley knock me out. Great change. Can't even boost my ultimate in between fights sounds fun. If it really works like that, it's gonna be a huge change to the meta builds.

It is called TIMING YOUR LA/HA lol it is not that hard. It just means no more can a tank in pvp stand there, block, and spam batswarm (or any ulti). I think it is bloody brilliant! L2P issue FOR REAL now lol its not hard to get ONE light attack in every 8 seconds.

Sorry tanks in pvp, no more stupid fast ulti spam for you. As for tanks in pve, the boss is not constantly attacking without a window of opportunity for you to hit left mouse once every 8 seconds. Seriously, stop crying and stop making it sound like it is the end of the world. The 3 ulti every second for 8 seconds is actually going to help tanks in pve. Time your light attack, end of story.

Still wouldn't matter if they would just make that tick activate on blocking too, right? the spamming will still be over with 1.6.

And by your logic, why would healers get special treatment? A heavy or light attack every 8 seconds shouldn't be a problem for a healer, right?

most the time healers are not using light or heavy and are busy healing UNLESS they run out of magicka or need to regen a little. So by ZoS logic, healing someone who has the buff makes perfect sense for a healer.

most the time tanks are not using light or heavy and are busy tanking UNLESS they are killed by somebody or need to be rezzed. So, by MY logic, tanking someone who attacks makes perfect sense for a tank.

DeLindsay · December 2014

Shinra wrote: »

most the time tanks are not using light or heavy and are busy tanking UNLESS they are killed by somebody or need to be rezzed. So, by MY logic, tanking someone who attacks makes perfect sense for a tank.

Tanks SHOULD be attacking, at least once per 8 seconds (ICD of Weapon glyphs is 8 seconds) with a Light attack if for nothing else to put up the 207 hp shield from their 1H. Agreed most of the time Tanks are not using Heavy attacks, but tbh BlockBots are bad mmk. You need to do damage as well while Tanking and even tossing in a few Light attacks now and again helps the fight progress. This change will considerably help Tanks in PvE with Uiltimate generation.

dodgehopper_ESO · December 2014

derpsticks wrote: »

Melee users will have a disadvantage when fighting a ranged user. The ranged can start their ult gen earlier, forcing the melee user to either charge, then light attack or delay their ult regen further by running (a potentially long distance) into melee range.

Ranged users will be "tagging" any enemy in range to start their ult generation, and then see how long they can keep the "no touch backs" rule in effect.

All those bow users will be standing at the top of a keep, building their ults for the coming siege. Meanwhile, melee attackers are forced to heal a friendly who can range attack just to trigger their ult gain.

So weapon swapping between two melee bars is not very efficient.

For the most part, Ranged combatants have always had the advantage. Most people have a ranged attack for this reason, even tanks swap Sword and Shield + Restoration Staff unless they are doing something very specific.

dodgehopper_ESO · December 2014

By the way, I really dislike the notion that Tanks should somehow not generate ultimate. Tanks often use ultimate for defensive reasons, and they are useful. I'm not sure what this mindset is in MMO's where the DPS people want to dump on Tanks. Your tank keeps you alive, your healer keeps you alive, so you can do stupid damage numbers and look cool. That doesn't mean a Tank or Healer should suck.

prototypefb · December 2014

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

By the way, I really dislike the notion that Tanks should somehow not generate ultimate. Tanks often use ultimate for defensive reasons, and they are useful. I'm not sure what this mindset is in MMO's where the DPS people want to dump on Tanks. Your tank keeps you alive, your healer keeps you alive, so you can do stupid damage numbers and look cool. That doesn't mean a Tank or Healer should suck.

i think this is getting so much attention now because some powerfull builds won't be able to spam near infinetly Batswarms, Standarts and VoBs.

Siliconhobbit_ESO · December 2014

As a Stamina Tank with some great survivability but little to no DPS, I'm a bit depressed by the fact that I will still be unable to reliably gain Ultimate.

Where is the love for those of us who go out of our way to PROTECT the DPS and heals' rear-ends.

We're being left out in the cold.

prototypefb · December 2014

Siliconhobbit_ESO wrote: »

As a Stamina Tank with some great survivability but little to no DPS, I'm a bit depressed by the fact that I will still be unable to reliably gain Ultimate.

Where is the love for those of us who go out of our way to PROTECT the DPS and heals' rear-ends.

We're being left out in the cold.

i'm sure you will find split second to drop block and do a light attack form time to time.
ou contraire this should help some tank builds to gain ultimate more than before.

PBpsy · December 2014

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

By the way, I really dislike the notion that Tanks should somehow not generate ultimate. Tanks often use ultimate for defensive reasons, and they are useful. I'm not sure what this mindset is in MMO's where the DPS people want to dump on Tanks. Your tank keeps you alive, your healer keeps you alive, so you can do stupid damage numbers and look cool. That doesn't mean a Tank or Healer should suck.

Oh!? I see now. I thought that when I tank I keep the DPS alive so they can do damage so that they pass the dps checks so that we do content successfully. I was only doing it to make the DPS look cool. I suppose that when I dps and try to do the best dps I can both in terms of single target and AOE, I am just doing it to stroke my ego with high numbers and not to fulfill my role and effectively and painlessly complete content. I am such an egotistical and inconsiderate jerk!

Tanks should not have as much ultimate as the dps specs simply because they should not in any way depend on them as much as the DPS for damage, survival (NBs,Sorc,Templar) and resource management (DK) .A good tank should have all of its tools (mitigation,cc,agro) effective without having to rely on ultimate abilities as much as the dps. And it is very clear to anyone that tried to do both.You should not need your Corrosive Armor or your VOB up as much as the dps to survives.Those shoudl be your OH crap ~buttons and they are at the moment effective enough for that role.

The tank should also be supported by the dps in certain situation. In many boss fights 70% my VOBs are under the tanks feet. (Of course this is if they don't decide to move out of them without reason and chain pull crap out of the big reb/black circle because CHAINS!!!)

It seems that it's not actually the egotistical dps that is at fault here. Maybe there is also something about the tanks that care about their dps numbers, the disguise wearing healer that is more aggressive then the dps, and the tauntless tank spec''I deeps" people.

angelyn · December 2014

Well I normally use a staff... I find the light and heavy attacks cumbersome and slow. So I've decided to try another weapon. At the moment I'm levelling up Dual wield ,which is turning out to be quite fun. I've also found that it feels easier to fit light/heavy attacks in with a melee weapon. Perhaps it's just me panicking and going click happy.

As a Dunmer I've got a racial bonus which helps me level up this weapon line faster. Next I may add the bow... I'm still reserving judgement on the new system until update 6 hits,but the ultimate generation ,along with changes to crit surge have made me think about trying new builds. In the mean time my main may have levelled up many weapons. Also maybe this might help when I become an outlaw in update 6.Perhaps this is what Zos wanted:#

Nacario · December 2014

r.jan_emailb16_ESO wrote: »

That means that as a tank I will have even less ultimate because if I try to light attack, the really tough bosses will most likeley knock me out. Great change. Can't even boost my ultimate in between fights sounds fun. If it really works like that, it's gonna be a huge change to the meta builds.

No more holding down block mindlessly, expecting free ulti and reward, now one actually have to pay attention to boss attack animation to time the light attack, blasphemy!

X3ina · December 2014

Epsilon_Echo wrote: »

DeLindsay wrote: »

Epsilon_Echo wrote: »

Depending on the rate of gain this could Bjork trial speed runs beyond all repair. What wonders we have to discover in 1.6.

What? No more 9 minute Trial runs, the horror.

Ooooh a sassy one here. But we shall see how fun it is to run a trial with sorcs who can't get their negate up.... just got a weird mental image give me a moment..

You think that sorcs are so noob that can't place 2 negates in 1 run ?

Perichor · December 2014

the way ulti will be generated in the new patch is stupid
there is nothing wrong with the way it is now

this change is just making bad players equal to better players

Perichor · December 2014

let me say that again
THIS CHANGE IS JUST MAKING BAD PLAYERS EQUAL TO BETTER PLAYERS ZOS

if the ulti generation you have in mind for 1.6 is added to the ulti generation you have now that would be great but by itself is stupid just the most absurd thing ive ever heard aside from lethal arrow buff which is by far the stupidest thing in the game

Darkonflare15 · December 2014

Perichor wrote: »

let me say that again
THIS CHANGE IS JUST MAKING BAD PLAYERS EQUAL TO BETTER PLAYERS ZOS

if the ulti generation you have in mind for 1.6 is added to the ulti generation you have now that would be great but by itself is stupid just the most absurd thing ive ever heard aside from lethal arrow buff which is by far the stupidest thing in the game

Gaining Ultimate fast does not make you a better player. With the right moves and the right ultimate you can easily rack up ultimate fast without skill. Now when to use ultimates is where the skill is define and with this ultimate change that is not lost. Now skill is define in what skills you use instead of finding cheap exploits to be able to use ultimate faster.Ultimate should be a game changer not a skill that is continue to be spam unless its a ultimate that is not worth much. Which seems to be ZOS point and trying to make each skill useful.

Revamp of class skills
Clearly defining buffs and debuffs of skills
Adding more flavor and clearer description of moves in the tooltip.
Improve combat animations
Adding Stamina choices in Class skills
New AVA abilities

Calling it stupid and absurd is kind absurd itself. It looks like they clearly have a plan well thought off. Let see what all this entails on the PTS instead of calling it stupid when we clearly do not know what is going on.

Perichor · December 2014

how many times has a 1vxer or honest hardcore pvper at the last 5% of their health bar hit their batswarm or negate and survived/defeated their enemies

if you dont think the ability to roll ulti has anything to do with the quality of the player then you are either a scrub in pvp or a ZOS developer who doesnt play pvp or care about pvp in general

as a player who has earned 39 levels in pvp and attained combat frenzy 2 on multiple characters i believe i can say with all confidence that this nerf to ulti generation will make pvp dull and some aspects of pvp impossible

zos wants to make it so ulti generation cant be achieved outside of combat??
WHY because groups shouldn't go into battle with their ultis HAHAHA

WHAT Olympic runner would not prepare his body before the run??????

its a part of ESO PVP the group who comes prepared wins END OF STORY

it separates the unorganized from the organized
the casual from the hardcore
the scrub from the pro

like i said

anyone who thinks other wise is just a casual QQer who doesnt pvp on a elite level or ORR a ZOS DEV who just doesnt care about pvp ORRRRR someone who uses lethal arrow and their rotation in pvp is

1....1.....1.....1......1.....1.1.....1.....1.....1.....1.....wait.......1.....1.....1.....1......1....1.....1.....1.....1.....1.....1.....1....1....1....1....1.....1......1......oh hes too far need to get closer (already 3000 miles away)...ok im near 1.1.....1.....1......1......1.....1......1.....1......1.....1.....1.....1......1.....1......1..... oh he reflected my arrow that was going to hit for 3k??? (going on the forums to complain) ok back to my game...1.....1......1.....1......1.....1..1....1......1......1......1......1......1......1......1......1......1......1.......1.....1.... i hate impulse spamming monkeys ...1......1.....1......1.....1. no skill....1......1......1......1......1......1......1......1.....1.....1.....1.....1.....1.....1......1....1......1.... wow i only hit that guy for 1.5k....1......1......1......1......1......1.......1......1......1......1......1......1......1......1......1......1......1.....1........1.....1 man i love lethal arrow...1......1......1.......1.....1......1.......1.....1......1.......1......1.....1...... *freind asks* what do you think about the ulti generation in 1.6?????

hmmmmm i dont care becuase i dont ever use my ulti anyway

anyway i see someone at sejanus from alessia ... lemme get bow

annnnnnnnnd

1......1.......1.....1.......1......1.....1.......1......1......1......1......1..1....1......1......1.......1.....1......1......1.......1......1......1......1......1.......1.....1.......1......1......1.......1......1......1......1.....1.......1......1.......1......1.......1......1......1.....1.......1.....1......1......1......1......1......1......1....1.......1......1......1......1......1......1.......1......1......1......1......1.....1......1.....1......1......1......1......1......1.....1......1......1......

Darkonflare15 · December 2014

Perichor wrote: »

how many times has a 1vxer or honest hardcore pvper at the last 5% of their health bar hit their batswarm or negate and survived/defeated their enemies

if you dont think the ability to roll ulti has anything to do with the quality of the player then you are either a scrub in pvp or a ZOS developer who doesnt play pvp or care about pvp in general

as a player who has earned 39 levels in pvp and attained combat frenzy 2 on multiple characters i believe i can say with all confidence that this nerf to ulti generation will make pvp dull and some aspects of pvp impossible

zos wants to make it so ulti generation cant be achieved outside of combat??
WHY because groups shouldn't go into battle with their ultis HAHAHA

WHAT Olympic runner would not prepare his body before the run??????

its a part of ESO PVP the group who comes prepared wins END OF STORY

it separates the unorganized from the organized
the casual from the hardcore
the scrub from the pro

like i said

anyone who thinks other wise is just a casual QQer who doesnt pvp on a elite level or ORR a ZOS DEV who just doesnt care about pvp ORRRRR someone who uses lethal arrow and their rotation in pvp is

1....1.....1.....1......1.....1.1.....1.....1.....1.....1.....wait.......1.....1.....1.....1......1....1.....1.....1.....1.....1.....1.....1....1....1....1....1.....1......1......oh hes too far need to get closer (already 3000 miles away)...ok im near 1.1.....1.....1......1......1.....1......1.....1......1.....1.....1.....1......1.....1......1..... oh he reflected my arrow that was going to hit for 3k??? (going on the forums to complain) ok back to my game...1.....1......1.....1......1.....1..1....1......1......1......1......1......1......1......1......1......1......1.......1.....1.... i hate impulse spamming monkeys ...1......1.....1......1.....1. no skill....1......1......1......1......1......1......1......1.....1.....1.....1.....1.....1.....1......1....1......1.... wow i only hit that guy for 1.5k....1......1......1......1......1......1.......1......1......1......1......1......1......1......1......1......1......1.....1........1.....1 man i love lethal arrow...1......1......1.......1.....1......1.......1.....1......1.......1......1.....1...... *freind asks* what do you think about the ulti generation in 1.6?????

hmmmmm i dont care becuase i dont ever use my ulti anyway

anyway i see someone at sejanus from alessia ... lemme get bow

annnnnnnnnd

1......1.......1.....1.......1......1.....1.......1......1......1......1......1..1....1......1......1.......1.....1......1......1.......1......1......1......1......1.......1.....1.......1......1......1.......1......1......1......1.....1.......1......1.......1......1.......1......1......1.....1.......1.....1......1......1......1......1......1......1....1.......1......1......1......1......1......1.......1......1......1......1......1.....1......1.....1......1......1......1......1......1.....1......1......1......

and if you think its going to take that long to gain ultimate you are sorely not pay attention to the information.

Joejudas · December 2014

PvE players are going to suffer because PvP players are awful players. Typical

k1llorbek1lled · December 2014

Perichor wrote: »

how many times has a 1vxer or honest hardcore pvper at the last 5% of their health bar hit their batswarm or negate and survived/defeated their enemies

if you dont think the ability to roll ulti has anything to do with the quality of the player then you are either a scrub in pvp or a ZOS developer who doesnt play pvp or care about pvp in general

as a player who has earned 39 levels in pvp and attained combat frenzy 2 on multiple characters i believe i can say with all confidence that this nerf to ulti generation will make pvp dull and some aspects of pvp impossible

zos wants to make it so ulti generation cant be achieved outside of combat??
WHY because groups shouldn't go into battle with their ultis HAHAHA

WHAT Olympic runner would not prepare his body before the run??????

its a part of ESO PVP the group who comes prepared wins END OF STORY

it separates the unorganized from the organized
the casual from the hardcore
the scrub from the pro

like i said

anyone who thinks other wise is just a casual QQer who doesnt pvp on a elite level or ORR a ZOS DEV who just doesnt care about pvp ORRRRR someone who uses lethal arrow and their rotation in pvp is

1....1.....1.....1......1.....1.1.....1.....1.....1.....1.....wait.......1.....1.....1.....1......1....1.....1.....1.....1.....1.....1.....1....1....1....1....1.....1......1......oh hes too far need to get closer (already 3000 miles away)...ok im near 1.1.....1.....1......1......1.....1......1.....1......1.....1.....1.....1......1.....1......1..... oh he reflected my arrow that was going to hit for 3k??? (going on the forums to complain) ok back to my game...1.....1......1.....1......1.....1..1....1......1......1......1......1......1......1......1......1......1......1.......1.....1.... i hate impulse spamming monkeys ...1......1.....1......1.....1. no skill....1......1......1......1......1......1......1......1.....1.....1.....1.....1.....1.....1......1....1......1.... wow i only hit that guy for 1.5k....1......1......1......1......1......1.......1......1......1......1......1......1......1......1......1......1......1.....1........1.....1 man i love lethal arrow...1......1......1.......1.....1......1.......1.....1......1.......1......1.....1...... *freind asks* what do you think about the ulti generation in 1.6?????

hmmmmm i dont care becuase i dont ever use my ulti anyway

anyway i see someone at sejanus from alessia ... lemme get bow

annnnnnnnnd

1......1.......1.....1.......1......1.....1.......1......1......1......1......1..1....1......1......1.......1.....1......1......1.......1......1......1......1......1.......1.....1.......1......1......1.......1......1......1......1.....1.......1......1.......1......1.......1......1......1.....1.......1.....1......1......1......1......1......1......1....1.......1......1......1......1......1......1.......1......1......1......1......1.....1......1.....1......1......1......1......1......1.....1......1......1......

POSSIBLY THE BEST POST I EVER READ!!! WE NEED MORE OUT OF YOU!!! Seriously, I couldn't agree more with everything you said...

Perichor · December 2014

Joejudas wrote: »

PvE players are going to suffer because PvP players are awful players. Typical

LMFAO right cuz killing a mudcrab faster than me makes you better hahahah

but pvp players in this game have the short end of the stick

for example pve players dont suffer from lethal arrow attacks WICH HIT FOR YOUR HEALTH AND YOUR DOG AND MOMS HEALTH

PVE player : zos i wanna do dps with my bow
ZOS : ok you now can do more DPS than a full class skill playing sorc ANDDD were gonna shaft the pvp players because YOUR A PVE player and we care about you

have a nice SUB

and PVE players could still get the pvp buffs but pvp players dont get the pvp buffs
wich BTW MAKES NO SENCE ZOS

/facepalm

since the launch of the game there has been nothing but pve content and NO pvp content at all ANNNNND the first pvp content pvp is going to get is infact going to be a pve dungeon LAWL LAWL LAWL LAWL LAWL LAWL LAWL

right pve players totally suffer

OH AND ALSO

at the very start of the game ZOS said crafted gear will be the best gear in the game BUT when pvp players have to constantly do pve to get the best gear thats actually in the game to be competitive in pvp says alot about how PVErs suffer LMFAO pvp gear is a joke so i personally have to do dungeons (eww) to get bloodspawn warlock the meteor set etc etc etc etc... RIGHT im sorry pver for your loss in the game and how hard you have it HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

Perichor · December 2014

^^^^^ buuuutt that has nothing to do with this thread

Perichor · December 2014

personally i think zos is just trying to make it easier on their mega servers (wich btw is not a mega server its more like alot of xbox 360s duct taped together and a post-it saying "mega server")

AshySamurai · December 2014

Too much lols to read this long and full of rage of current ult generation protectors.

Most skill changes were made only because of PvPers whine.

Also, most content updates were made for PvEers means that this game mostly PvE.

And now, when you're going QQ, can I have your stuff?

k1llorbek1lled · December 2014

either way, they never listen to pvp'ers... EVERYONE knows they don't care about us, and this thread will change nothing

gg ZOS

AshySamurai · December 2014

dcman830_ESO wrote: »

either way, they never listen to pvp'ers... EVERYONE knows they don't care about us, and this thread will change nothing

gg ZOS

lol! Most skill changes were made because of PvPers whining.