Valencer wrote: »

As if anyone even has 8 legit VR14s.... come on. Hyperbole, if anything

Been playing since launch and I've currently got 2 VR14s. Primary levelled by questing and running dungeons. Completed Cadwell's Gold on both characters. In addition to that, I have 2 VR1s.

I've now spent almost 2000 hours on ESO, and I consider it time well spent. Why else would I play? This is a game for entertainment, right?

If you've been grinding 8 VR14s in Craglorn just to "get to VR14"... well, I guess I can see why you think playing the game is a waste of time. But I definitely don't feel sorry for you.

I have 5 vr14s, and 1 vr5, all who have completed the quests (I'm sure there are a handful of sidequests I could still do), except for the v5 who is only part way through.

I expected to be at whatever cap they assigned, but I didn't know the cap would put me at the same level as someone who still has 100% of the content on all 8 slots ahead of them. Whereas I have two lowbies left to still do vet content.

That the bigger issue, not having the same amount of potential points available to earn as someone that is v1 with one character doing what I enjoy doing in the game - questing. At least the people that grinded can still go back and do quests to get points on those characters.

edit: it's a much bigger and more important version of the undaunted problem -- those players that completed dungeons and got all achievements could only earn points by completing pledges and you can only do one of each pledge a day. Having done them everyday, my main since launch that has all the acheives is at 7, one of my alts hit max weeks ago. This is going to be the same thing except most of us don't have "alt" accounts, we have one account. So I'll watch new players pass me up by questing while I sit around and wait for my friends to get on so I can do dungeons or trials or arena and have that be the only way to earn more points because once my last couple guys finish quests, I won't have a solo way to earn points anymore (I'm not much for pvp or grinding).

Now I feel kinda relieved the Craglorn Quest debacle made me stop doing anything else but crafting. Otherwise, after the lost exploration experience in the VP to XP transition and the Undaunted changes, this would have been the third time in a row I got shafted.

But given the fact they haven't valued the time people have put into their game before, it's not really that surprising. Gonna be a hard felt blow to anyone who put serious hours into ESO, wether they played content or burnt hours grinding.

@eserras7b16_ESO rather simplistic approach of just rewarding /played time does have it's merrits in this situation, since everyone, no matter their play-style, would get at least some reward for their efforts, only the "most efficient" player group might be a bit on the losing side here. But then, ESO has been way too elitist in it's design anyways.

I understand ZOS does see this as ESO 2.0 and wants us all on equal footing, at least from its start, but it was advertised to us differently. Generally I agree this being a good idea, it's just telling people opposite things to keep them playing - and thus paying - that does leave a certain taste and not necessarily a good one.

This, yet again, is not a transparent nor honest way to deal with your customers. It was misleading at best.

I'd suggest, in celebration of ESO 2.0, to give out a free month to any account with at least one VR character (yes, even inactive ones). That way everyone would not only feel valued as a customer and rewarded for their efforts, but this would be a great way to bring the folks back on board, who left us during the last year as well.

TLDR; Free Month for Everybody! (I'm serious, just read it you lazy bum)

They should give everyone 0 points then... Then people would complain even more. No matter if the cap was 1000 points or 1 point someone would complain that their "time" was undervalued. 30 seems to be a good number considering the changes they made. If the people with 8 VR14s leave the game because of this, good.

Elloa wrote: »

If you have 8 VR14s who ALREADY COMPLETED SILVER AND GOLD, you are 100% FUBAR. You only get the same 30 CPs, but have NO SOURCE OF CPs other than PvP or repeatable (read: daily) quests.

You are not FUBAR at all, because Dungeon, PVP, killings mobs, whatnot will reward you with same XP. So just play the game as you usually do and you will get your points. Questing is not the only way.

Of course, I see the smartass coming and saying that Questing is faster than doing Dungeons. At those I answer, in a very smartass way aswell: this depend of the player. If you quest like me, you will not get a 1 Champion/hour I can promise you that and you will prefer to do Dungeon to be "efficient"

I'm very sad to see that we have some very exciting changes are happening right now, and people are just thinking with a Greedy mind "Where is my xp! This is not efficent" Are you playing for fun or for dominating the human race? Cause seeing how some here freaking out here, I'm wondering....

Well said!

xaraan wrote: »

Amsel_McKay wrote: »

They should give everyone 0 points then... Then people would complain even more. No matter if the cap was 1000 points or 1 point someone would complain that their "time" was undervalued. 30 seems to be a good number considering the changes they made. If the people with 8 VR14s leave the game because of this, good.

That doesn't solve the issue for players that prefer to quest for their points don't have an equal number of quests as a player that only has 1 v1 character.

Yes, it's unfair that a v14 and v1 get the same number of points (esp when zos said that we should keep playing our vets and they are tracking xp past v14), but it's even more unfair that the missed opportunity is there.

And don't tell me I have to play ways I don't want to get points - I'll have to grind or do pvp because I probably can only find a dozen side quests to turn in (all of which award less xp than killing a couple mobs usually).

Also, this doesn't punish grinders - they can still grind, they can still go back and do quests. The only players that get scrwd by this are the players that quest and have already completed most of the content.

They did the same thing with undaunted. Scrwd over players that had completed content and achievements so that they could hardly advance in undaunted (finally just hit 7 on my main!) when people that hadn't done the content could advance quickly (I hit the max on my alt weeks ago it was so easy to level up). Except this issue isn't just about a couple passives and isn't just going to put players a few weeks behind, it will put dedicated players months behind as the game moves forward.

If you are VR14 and finished the quests... then they are done. My VR14 completed almost every quest as well and will have 30 points, if he received 1000000 points it would not bring back the quests or even make me want to play him. The fact is that a majority want more points so their alts will have more. So a person who has a VR14 and played a million hours wants to have 300 or 500 points the day 1.6 comes out and then all their alts will also have that many points. ESO had to make a cap and a number that worked for the majority and that number is 30

Elloa wrote: »

@Xaraan I'm stalking you in various thread here (LOL)

I really believe you will get those points in PH4. It would be unfair to get them in PH3, because you are not losing your Veteran rank yet. You will get your xp, once your Veteran rank will be removed from the game.

I've no proove of what I'm saying, but considering everything that Zenimax have said so far about the Champion system, this is the only logical conclusion.

That makes sense to a point, but doesn't address the additional XP that will be gained between PH3 and PH4. If they do it the way you suggested, any XP from between 3 and 4 would be counted twice.

lordrichter wrote: »

onlinegamer1 wrote: »

My guess is that a VR14 will have a couple hundred CP to start with.

That is a problem because its ACCOUNT wide so all of your alts and other VRs will have as many. They said they made the number 30 because of balance out of the gates. A level 10 with 1000 CP is going to destroy the low level PVP and be a walk in the park PVE. They admit that they dont know how CP is going to effect their game so that is why they are making it a cap of 30

lordrichter wrote: »

Averya_Teira wrote: »

A champion point is about an hour WITHOUT enlightment, not with it. Your math is all kinds of wrong

No.

"It is about an hour of experience gaining playtime to get a champion point while you are enlightened."

[rage]Getting this information would be a lot easier if Eric Wrobel would have stopped interrupting and trying to redirect the conversation.[/rage]

P.S. - I see that the summary on Tamriel Foundry is missing important words, so if you are using Tamriel Foundry, you may want to check the actual ESO Live.

You have a timestamp for that ? Because I watched it this morning and didn't hear that ..

Sharee wrote: »

xaraan wrote: »

I'm sure those players that don't play much or level slowly are loving this, but in the end, it's really not fair to some of us.

Anyone who grinded xp in the hope of gaining an initial advantage in the CP amount knew he is risking being over the cap already and not getting anything from his grind(since the actual cap was unknown).

I have four veteran characters and i am not bothered by this.

What does grinding have to do with anything? I have two max level characters and I didn't grind. In fact, anyone who did grind is probably benefiting if they skipped the quests because they can still go back and do the content they skipped and get XP for the CP system. It's the people who *didn't* grind and actually completed all the content on 1 or more characters that are getting screwed here.

Lol just because you grinded to max VR on a bunch of toons missing out on all that great content doesn't mean you are entitled to anything. You made your choice.

EQBallzz wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

xaraan wrote: »

I'm sure those players that don't play much or level slowly are loving this, but in the end, it's really not fair to some of us.

Anyone who grinded xp in the hope of gaining an initial advantage in the CP amount knew he is risking being over the cap already and not getting anything from his grind(since the actual cap was unknown).

I have four veteran characters and i am not bothered by this.

What does grinding have to do with anything? I have two max level characters and I didn't grind. In fact, anyone who did grind is probably benefiting if they skipped the quests because they can still go back and do the content they skipped and get XP for the CP system. It's the people who *didn't* grind and actually completed all the content on 1 or more characters that are getting screwed here.

If i understand you correctly, you feel you are getting screwed because you no longer can get your CP from quests that you already have done.

ZOS said they want all activities in game to reward roughly the same CP. That includes activities typically done by capped characters who already completed all static content, i.e you. So you should not be screwed in any way, even if you cannot do the quests anymore. Just do what you typically do and you should gain CP at the same rate as the player who quests.

Personally, i am going to get my CP from the cyrodiil dailies (during the live they said they are going to make them very rewarding, CP-wise)

Gyudan wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

EQBallzz wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

xaraan wrote: »

I'm sure those players that don't play much or level slowly are loving this, but in the end, it's really not fair to some of us.

Anyone who grinded xp in the hope of gaining an initial advantage in the CP amount knew he is risking being over the cap already and not getting anything from his grind(since the actual cap was unknown).

I have four veteran characters and i am not bothered by this.

What does grinding have to do with anything? I have two max level characters and I didn't grind. In fact, anyone who did grind is probably benefiting if they skipped the quests because they can still go back and do the content they skipped and get XP for the CP system. It's the people who *didn't* grind and actually completed all the content on 1 or more characters that are getting screwed here.

I am repeating myself now, but ZOS said they want all activities in game to reward roughly the same CP. That includes activities typically done by capped characters who already completed all static content, i.e you. So you should not be screwed in any way.

Personally, i am going to get my CP from the cyrodiil dailies (during the live they said they are going to make them very rewarding, CP-wise)

I hope you are not refering to the 10 quests in each of the 5 villages in Cyrodiil. In my opinion, those are awful and a complete disgrace compared to the quality of the quests in the rest of Tamriel.

Well they are repeatable dailies, what do you expect. Quality is something you can get from story arcs. The cyrodiil dailies are just meant to be a source of quick XP in a dangerous environment.

Remember that time when people that got most of their undaunted achievements done before they added more undaunted levels and they retroactively gave them undaunted exp to compensate? Yeah, that was awesome. I am happy they will do the same thing with CP.

Gyudan wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

Gyudan wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

EQBallzz wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

xaraan wrote: »

I'm sure those players that don't play much or level slowly are loving this, but in the end, it's really not fair to some of us.

Anyone who grinded xp in the hope of gaining an initial advantage in the CP amount knew he is risking being over the cap already and not getting anything from his grind(since the actual cap was unknown).

I have four veteran characters and i am not bothered by this.

What does grinding have to do with anything? I have two max level characters and I didn't grind. In fact, anyone who did grind is probably benefiting if they skipped the quests because they can still go back and do the content they skipped and get XP for the CP system. It's the people who *didn't* grind and actually completed all the content on 1 or more characters that are getting screwed here.

I am repeating myself now, but ZOS said they want all activities in game to reward roughly the same CP. That includes activities typically done by capped characters who already completed all static content, i.e you. So you should not be screwed in any way.

Personally, i am going to get my CP from the cyrodiil dailies (during the live they said they are going to make them very rewarding, CP-wise)

I hope you are not refering to the 10 quests in each of the 5 villages in Cyrodiil. In my opinion, those are awful and a complete disgrace compared to the quality of the quests in the rest of Tamriel.

Well they are repeatable dailies, what do you expect. Quality is something you can get from story arcs. The cyrodiil dailies are just meant to be a source of quick XP in a dangerous environment.

"A source of quick XP" with low quality and no other goal than getting Champion Points. Could you say again how this has nothing to do with grinding?

Grinding generally involves engaging in an activity you rather would not do for hours, and this activity is generally boring as hell.

The cyrodiil dailies are the polar opposite. You can do them very quickly, and doing so can be very exciting, as they happen in a PvP environment.

I'd *planned* on questing my Templar (VR5) throughout the holiday break to see how much I could accomplish before real life resumes. However, if it is actually the case that I won't be earning Champion Points for doing it, I have no reason to play -- at all -- until I hear that we are, actually, going to be credited Champion Points for the XP they said they were tracking.

Everyone in the multiple threads about this subject snickering because they think this is going to punish the exploit-grinders, you couldn't be more wrong. The players who grinded to VR12 in three days via exploits *still* have the vast, overwhelming majority of all those non-repeatable quests ahead of them. Those of us who played as intended, who have multiple VR14s who have gone through the Cadwell's Silver/Gold content do not.

Loyal, non-exploiting players are the ones getting the shaft, if it is truly the case that all accounts get a flat 30 points. Frankly, I don't understand the people defending the flat-30 position -- you're not making *any* argument other than "pfft, just live with it." You're not even attempting to defend it. How can your faith in ZOS be so blind?

ZOS, you cannot keep knocking your loyal players to the floor and expect us to believe you still love us. We don't have battered-subscriber syndrome. If you have truly gone back on the "keep playing, we're tracking XP for champ points" information drop, then you have resoundingly demonstrated nothing but utter contempt for your players, and in all likelihood, simply LIED to us to keep our subscriptions funding the delayed console version development.

Your loyal players are the ones FUNDING your 2.0 reboot of this game. Slap me again and see what happens, ZOS. I dare you.