ZoS incompetence rears its head again (re: initial champion points nerf)

xaraan

Elloa wrote: »

@Xaraan I'm stalking you in various thread here (LOL)

I really believe you will get those points in PH4. It would be unfair to get them in PH3, because you are not losing your Veteran rank yet. You will get your xp, once your Veteran rank will be removed from the game.

I've no proove of what I'm saying, but considering everything that Zenimax have said so far about the Champion system, this is the only logical conclusion.

Hoping for something like that, but my only concern is... how would that work out for someone who was v1, then gained levels after 1.6 (but before 1.7) which means they gain points as they gain ranks - then when the conversion happens they gain more points for each vet level? Unless they simply tag each player with whatever vet level they had when 1.6 lands and those players get those points and not players that level after.

After thinking, my decision is going to depend on two things: how and when zos responds to this issue currently. (Leaving us hanging for the weekend was extremely rude, if it's the whole holiday, then much much more so). Second, if they gives us some sort of decent response, then I may stick around until it hits live just to see if I am 1. still having fun (that is why we play) and 2. able to advance decently (I won't have fun if not). If this is like the undaunted passives issue again (but on a much bigger scale) and I have to watch newer players fly past me in points b/c I don't have quests to do when I'm solo, then I can't see sticking around.

We've all lived through a lot of cruddy times since this game launched, dealt with a lot of issues. I've never been the guy to say I'm out every time I have a problem. But I feel like this is really poor treatment.

Again: to those that see this side of the argument and say we shouldn't get a huge start over others - I (and probably most) are not saying we should have hundreds of points. Just talking about seeing a difference between a v1 and max level, seeing some return on the fact that I have no more quests that I am able to do to earn points on the scale a v1 can.

xtago

xaraan wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

The initial amount of champion points was always meant to be capped, they made it no secret.

True, but not capped at a number equal to a vet 1 character. Let's not try to brush this under the rug with lies.

It's not even out for testing yet, and you're acting like it's a set in stone thing.

In that live show they said to play the pts you get to do everything and you can ask for changes to be done there's a month plus of testing on pts before it's out.

They said they do many changes to different things.

You won't get unlimited points straight up the max is 650 points per char or all up, I didn't quite catch it on twitch.

Alas that's the max amount you won't be able to max out 5 different skills anymore they didn't want that at the start but they didn't know all the hard/soft caps then, now they do know them for everything at each level you can be.

That's why everything skill wise has been changed.

EQBallzz

Sharee wrote: »

EQBallzz wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

xaraan wrote: »

I'm sure those players that don't play much or level slowly are loving this, but in the end, it's really not fair to some of us.

Anyone who grinded xp in the hope of gaining an initial advantage in the CP amount knew he is risking being over the cap already and not getting anything from his grind(since the actual cap was unknown).

I have four veteran characters and i am not bothered by this.

What does grinding have to do with anything? I have two max level characters and I didn't grind. In fact, anyone who did grind is probably benefiting if they skipped the quests because they can still go back and do the content they skipped and get XP for the CP system. It's the people who *didn't* grind and actually completed all the content on 1 or more characters that are getting screwed here.

If i understand you correctly, you feel you are getting screwed because you no longer can get your CP from quests that you already have done.

ZOS said they want all activities in game to reward roughly the same CP. That includes activities typically done by capped characters who already completed all static content, i.e you. So you should not be screwed in any way, even if you cannot do the quests anymore. Just do what you typically do and you should gain CP at the same rate as the player who quests.

Personally, i am going to get my CP from the cyrodiil dailies (during the live they said they are going to make them very rewarding, CP-wise)

Are you being obtuse on purpose? You keep saying the same thing and it still makes no sense. Even if all activities rewarded the same XP/CP (spoiler alert..they don't) if you have already done all the questing content..you don't have that option anymore so how are you to choose that activity? The activity at max level is not the same (by a long shot) as the activity of leveling. The act of leveling by it's very nature is GAINING XP while the activity at max level has nothing to do with gaining XP since you are max level. Sure, some of the things you do at max level might earn some potential XP but max level activities are not XP-centric like leveling is. I don't see how this is so hard to understand.

What do I do at max level? Once a week I might do a trial (new activity for me). That isn't going to be much XP. I do the daily writs and might do one or both of the daily pledges. That might get a small amount of XP but I can't repeat those until the following day. Other than that it's mostly farming and time spent looking for a group so no..that will not be the same as being a self-sufficient solo leveling machine like everyone is during the 14 vet levels with the huge XP gains of the story and side quests.

It's great if PvP is your primary activity (it's not for me) and that might work out for anyone who mainly focuses on PvP but even for those people..whenever they decide to return to the story quests/side quests they will have access to the pool of CP that is available and therefor more CP available to them. Why should some of us be forced into activities we don't want to do just to make up for the lost XP of content we already did? I don't want to PvP all the time or grind mobs.

Gyudan

xtago wrote: »

xaraan wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

The initial amount of champion points was always meant to be capped, they made it no secret.

True, but not capped at a number equal to a vet 1 character. Let's not try to brush this under the rug with lies.

It's not even out for testing yet, and you're acting like it's a set in stone thing.

In that live show they said to play the pts you get to do everything and you can ask for changes to be done there's a month plus of testing on pts before it's out.

They said they do many changes to different things.

You won't get unlimited points straight up the max is 650 points per char or all up, I didn't quite catch it on twitch.

Alas that's the max amount you won't be able to max out 5 different skills anymore they didn't want that at the start but they didn't know all the hard/soft caps then, now they do know them for everything at each level you can be.

That's why everything skill wise has been changed.

It would be nice to have an answer quickly though. As I understand the situation, every veteran quest completed between this instant and the release of update 6 will result in a loss of Champion Points (or more accurately in the loss of the ability to get those champion points through questing).

Basically, if I go complete a quest now and the XP isn't counted, I'd rather wait for update 6 to do that very same quest and actually get credited for its completion.

If questing is pointless, what's the point of playing?

If playing is pointless, what's the point of subbing?

Right now I'm playing a level 12 DK instead of my VR13 and VR3 because of this situation. I have to admit that it has left me with a very bad feeling about the future of the game and that I have spent very little time in Tamriel today because of it.

xaraan

xtago wrote: »

xaraan wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

The initial amount of champion points was always meant to be capped, they made it no secret.

True, but not capped at a number equal to a vet 1 character. Let's not try to brush this under the rug with lies.

It's not even out for testing yet, and you're acting like it's a set in stone thing.

In that live show they said to play the pts you get to do everything and you can ask for changes to be done there's a month plus of testing on pts before it's out.

They said they do many changes to different things.

You won't get unlimited points straight up the max is 650 points per char or all up, I didn't quite catch it on twitch.

Alas that's the max amount you won't be able to max out 5 different skills anymore they didn't want that at the start but they didn't know all the hard/soft caps then, now they do know them for everything at each level you can be.

That's why everything skill wise has been changed.

No, I'm asking ZoS for clarification. Don't see anything wrong with that.

BUT, going on what THEY said during the broadcast it is concerning. On top of that their lack of response to this topic (it had multiple threads, all with more views and comments than the few other topics they did reply to and had been asked dozens of times during their Q&A during the show) hasn't made me feel better.

For the thousandth time - I'm not asking, and most of us complaining about it are not, for hundreds of points. Simply a difference between v1 and v14+, especially considering a v14 may not have many quests to do to earn more points. (Grinders will actually be fine - they still have all their quests and can probably continue to grind).

Ysne58

@ZOS_GinaBruno‌ @ZOS_JessicaFolsom‌ @ZOS_KaiSchober‌ could we please get some clarification on whether those 30 points are a base or is that all players are going to get? There are way too many threads spouting posts with all kinds of different math and some close to flaming.

DarthFett

My biggest concern is that I play because I like questing. I have 1 V4 character because I don't like repeating things, so once I found out that my main toon was going to have to run Cadwell's Quests and do the other factions, I stopped playing alts.
So if I continue to play my character and quest in the rest of the zones until 1.6 is released, I will now have less zones I can quest in to get Champion Points. I don't really like playing pvp nor do I have enough uninterrupted time to run dungeons all the time.
At this point I feel like there is no reason for me to play until after 1.6 is released because if I do, I'm just short changing myself.

OrangeTheCat

timidobserver wrote: »

@onlinegamer1
Yeh because the people that leveled 7 characters to max level in 3 days using the Scorpion grind and/or the bittermaw grind should really be ahead of everyone else in the new system.

This

Elsonso

Ysne58 wrote: »

@ZOS_GinaBruno‌ @ZOS_JessicaFolsom‌ @ZOS_KaiSchober‌ could we please get some clarification on whether those 30 points are a base or is that all players are going to get? There are way too many threads spouting posts with all kinds of different math and some close to flaming.

Better question:

How are you planning to convert Veteran experience into Champion Points, and when?

Less confrontational. More informative answer is likely.

Ohioastro

The sort of people with multiple high level characters are the sort of people who will do just fine once the champion system is released. It would be incredibly destructive to launch a major new system with players at very different starting points. They have already de-emphasized questing as the be-all and end-all of experience game VR1+.

If anything, I'm more curious about whether characters who don't hit VR14 before the vet ranks go away will have some way of getting the relevant skill points and stat points.

I know that a lot of folks really don't have strong MMO backgrounds in this game, but a low cap on advance experience for new systems is utterly normal in MMOs, and it's that way for very good reasons.

Audigy

SuraklinPrime wrote: »

xaraan wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

xaraan wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

xaraan wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

xaraan wrote: »

I'm sure those players that don't play much or level slowly are loving this, but in the end, it's really not fair to some of us.

Anyone who grinded xp in the hope of gaining an initial advantage in the CP amount knew he is risking being over the cap already and not getting anything from his grind(since the actual cap was unknown).

I have four veteran characters and i am not bothered by this.

What about those of us that didn't grind? I have completed the quests on all my guys, I have no content to go back and do for points. My choices are PvP (which I don't like) or grinding for points (which isn't what I pay a sub for). I'd love to just do quests and earn points. I now have two non vet characters that I can do that with, that's it, until they add more content to the game. Or slowly walk my way up the ladder with daily pledges (a little slower than being able to spend a few hours questing).

They mentioned in the live that they aim for all activities in the game to award champion points at roughly the same rate. So whatever your favorite activity is, chances are you will be able to gain CP through it.

I like questing. But with only two non vets and one half way through vet ranks, the amount of quests I have available is MUCH less than someone whose first character just hit v1.

Unless they plan on giving us a million points every time we do an undaunted pledge or run the arena, my v14s aren't going to earn that many points.

They said that they want all activities to award roughly the same amount of champion points. I am fairly sure that includes the activities done by veteran rank 14 characters who already did the majority of quests.

They also said they were tracking xp past v14 so that when you earned xp you'd still get credit for it when the champion system rolled out.

But, let's be real, when they say that, they mean they want pve and pvp to award the same amount of points per hour played. But anyone that has leveled even one character should know that there is a big difference between points earned from killing a dungeon boss and from turning in quests (huge difference actually). Those that still have questing, especially main story questing, will have a huge advantage in the rate they gain points over a PvEr that has completed most of the content and just running a pledge a day.

Yes, assuming we are reading this right a VR1 who actively quests couls soon surpass a VR14 who has completed questing especially if they do not have access to good groups.

Seems like a rushed and ill considered u-turn.

No.

A VR 14 will gain the same amount of XP as a VR 1. You can do AVA as Maria said, or you kill mobs or do dungeons.

Your story might be over after you did the Cadwells, but there are equally good ways to get XP.

Why do you guys ignore all of that? She answered that question very well during ESO live.

One point can be acquired by playing 4 hours, what you do is totally up to you. Its not that quest xp is the only way to get XP.

olemanwinter

I have 1 character that is VR13 and will likely achieve VR14 by 1.6

Just one. He did caldwells silver and gold, which were brutal.

The day I log in and my VR14 is now the same as a lvl 50 is the day I unsubscribe!

This decision is a slap in my face. You built this game, you made this VR grind brutal and slow, and after I slogged through it to reach max VR you are essentially taking it away from me.

1.6 = my likely unsub.

sagitter

olemanwinter wrote: »

I have 1 character that is VR13 and will likely achieve VR14 by 1.6

Just one. He did caldwells silver and gold, which were brutal.

The day I log in and my VR14 is now the same as a lvl 50 is the day I unsubscribe!

This decision is a slap in my face. You built this game, you made this VR grind brutal and slow, and after I slogged through it to reach max VR you are essentially taking it away from me.

1.6 = my likely unsub.

Lol what game did u play untill now dude? Since Craglorn you can be v14 in 1 max 2 weeks of play. Just use the right grinding spots. Champ sys was needed to add some endgame.

Voodoo

love how people think that ths game is "work" for their VR14 and how they got robbed of something special.

If you dont play this game for fun then I think you should "reavaluate why you are playing this game?". Worring about what others get or not is beside the point! = It is not relevent to your enjoyment in this game.

nikolaj.lemcheb16_ESO

derpsticks wrote: »

Those 30 points are the equivalent of 5 days play time as if it were used to solely grind champion points without rested xp (aka enlightenment).

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Please correct any of this if I am wrong. This was just how I saw it all, and I might have based some of those on wrong info.

Your argument would be valid if it weren't for the fact that xp is a finitte resource for solo players. And a lot of people have spend that resource in the belief that it would still yield them champion points when the champ system were implemented (as they were directly told this would be the case by the dev responsible fpr the system).

Once you have done all soloable quests there are no quest left in the game outside cyrodiil so you now sit with a v14 char without the chance to get champ points like the v1 char can.

If xp had been an unlimited resource then you would have been right, but it is not.

xaraan

Audigy wrote: »

SuraklinPrime wrote: »

xaraan wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

xaraan wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

xaraan wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

xaraan wrote: »

I'm sure those players that don't play much or level slowly are loving this, but in the end, it's really not fair to some of us.

Anyone who grinded xp in the hope of gaining an initial advantage in the CP amount knew he is risking being over the cap already and not getting anything from his grind(since the actual cap was unknown).

I have four veteran characters and i am not bothered by this.

What about those of us that didn't grind? I have completed the quests on all my guys, I have no content to go back and do for points. My choices are PvP (which I don't like) or grinding for points (which isn't what I pay a sub for). I'd love to just do quests and earn points. I now have two non vet characters that I can do that with, that's it, until they add more content to the game. Or slowly walk my way up the ladder with daily pledges (a little slower than being able to spend a few hours questing).

They mentioned in the live that they aim for all activities in the game to award champion points at roughly the same rate. So whatever your favorite activity is, chances are you will be able to gain CP through it.

I like questing. But with only two non vets and one half way through vet ranks, the amount of quests I have available is MUCH less than someone whose first character just hit v1.

Unless they plan on giving us a million points every time we do an undaunted pledge or run the arena, my v14s aren't going to earn that many points.

They said that they want all activities to award roughly the same amount of champion points. I am fairly sure that includes the activities done by veteran rank 14 characters who already did the majority of quests.

They also said they were tracking xp past v14 so that when you earned xp you'd still get credit for it when the champion system rolled out.

But, let's be real, when they say that, they mean they want pve and pvp to award the same amount of points per hour played. But anyone that has leveled even one character should know that there is a big difference between points earned from killing a dungeon boss and from turning in quests (huge difference actually). Those that still have questing, especially main story questing, will have a huge advantage in the rate they gain points over a PvEr that has completed most of the content and just running a pledge a day.

Yes, assuming we are reading this right a VR1 who actively quests couls soon surpass a VR14 who has completed questing especially if they do not have access to good groups.

Seems like a rushed and ill considered u-turn.

No.

A VR 14 will gain the same amount of XP as a VR 1. You can do AVA as Maria said, or you kill mobs or do dungeons.

Your story might be over after you did the Cadwells, but there are equally good ways to get XP.

Why do you guys ignore all of that? She answered that question very well during ESO live.

One point can be acquired by playing 4 hours, what you do is totally up to you. Its not that quest xp is the only way to get XP.

This is not true.

I prefer questing for the most part, doing dungeons is fun, but that is mostly group content, and I'm not always on with a group.

I have no more quests to do on my 5 characters that are v14. I do not enjoy PvP that much (will do some, but that's not what I pay my sub for) and I do not like grinding. This means the one part of the game I enjoy, I cannot continue to do to earn points until more single player content is released. If I didn't have two more characters that haven't hit vet yet, I'd be completed scrwd.

xaraan

timidobserver wrote: »

@onlinegamer1
Yeh because the people that leveled 7 characters to max level in 3 days using the Scorpion grind and/or the bittermaw grind should really be ahead of everyone else in the new system.

Actually, those folks will be just fine - they either enjoy grinding and will continue to do so, or if grinding is fixed or whatever, they still probably have all the silver/gold quests to do, just like a v1.

This pretty much just scrws over people that did the quests and like questing. Won't hurt pvp'rs, grinders or new players.

Audigy

xaraan wrote: »

Audigy wrote: »

SuraklinPrime wrote: »

xaraan wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

xaraan wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

xaraan wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

xaraan wrote: »

I'm sure those players that don't play much or level slowly are loving this, but in the end, it's really not fair to some of us.

Anyone who grinded xp in the hope of gaining an initial advantage in the CP amount knew he is risking being over the cap already and not getting anything from his grind(since the actual cap was unknown).

I have four veteran characters and i am not bothered by this.

What about those of us that didn't grind? I have completed the quests on all my guys, I have no content to go back and do for points. My choices are PvP (which I don't like) or grinding for points (which isn't what I pay a sub for). I'd love to just do quests and earn points. I now have two non vet characters that I can do that with, that's it, until they add more content to the game. Or slowly walk my way up the ladder with daily pledges (a little slower than being able to spend a few hours questing).

They mentioned in the live that they aim for all activities in the game to award champion points at roughly the same rate. So whatever your favorite activity is, chances are you will be able to gain CP through it.

I like questing. But with only two non vets and one half way through vet ranks, the amount of quests I have available is MUCH less than someone whose first character just hit v1.

Unless they plan on giving us a million points every time we do an undaunted pledge or run the arena, my v14s aren't going to earn that many points.

They said that they want all activities to award roughly the same amount of champion points. I am fairly sure that includes the activities done by veteran rank 14 characters who already did the majority of quests.

They also said they were tracking xp past v14 so that when you earned xp you'd still get credit for it when the champion system rolled out.

But, let's be real, when they say that, they mean they want pve and pvp to award the same amount of points per hour played. But anyone that has leveled even one character should know that there is a big difference between points earned from killing a dungeon boss and from turning in quests (huge difference actually). Those that still have questing, especially main story questing, will have a huge advantage in the rate they gain points over a PvEr that has completed most of the content and just running a pledge a day.

Yes, assuming we are reading this right a VR1 who actively quests couls soon surpass a VR14 who has completed questing especially if they do not have access to good groups.

Seems like a rushed and ill considered u-turn.

No.

A VR 14 will gain the same amount of XP as a VR 1. You can do AVA as Maria said, or you kill mobs or do dungeons.

Your story might be over after you did the Cadwells, but there are equally good ways to get XP.

Why do you guys ignore all of that? She answered that question very well during ESO live.

One point can be acquired by playing 4 hours, what you do is totally up to you. Its not that quest xp is the only way to get XP.

This is not true.

I prefer questing for the most part, doing dungeons is fun, but that is mostly group content, and I'm not always on with a group.

I have no more quests to do on my 5 characters that are v14. I do not enjoy PvP that much (will do some, but that's not what I pay my sub for) and I do not like grinding. This means the one part of the game I enjoy, I cannot continue to do to earn points until more single player content is released. If I didn't have two more characters that haven't hit vet yet, I'd be completed scrwd.

Well,

you are one of a few there.

I don't say this to be rude, but most players do various things. I don't do dungeons much, but I craft and do the writs or level alts (I have a few), do some AVA or do the world bosses. ZO doesn't force anyone into one particular thing, but they do expect that we do a few things.

If your focus is only on the solo quests in story mode, then yes this is a pity and I understand your situation, even though I wonder how someone can get 5 Chars to VR 14 in such a short amount of time. I play since Beta, and started on the presale server opening and still don't have nearly that much amount of Char progression.

However,
what do you want them to do? Give you all the points now that someone could in theory achieve?

How would this be fair and justified?

Some players start out with 2000 points, while others with 30? This doesn't sound like a good idea. They had to find a middle way and a fixed amount of points seems very plausible.

Worthgar is also coming soon, so I would assume that once your last three chars are VR 14, Worthgar is already released.

As said, I understand your issue, but I also think that the amount of mass VR 14 accounts is very slim and not important enough to screw the majority of the gamers, especially if we know how many exploits allowed xp grinding in a few hours to VR 14 once.

Wolfenbelle

olemanwinter wrote: »

This decision is a slap in my face. You built this game, you made this VR grind brutal and slow, and after I slogged through it to reach max VR you are essentially taking it away from me.

This is exactly the heart of the matter. The Champion Points system might be the best thing since sliced bread, but if it starts off on the basis of taking away a lot of players' achievements and time spent in this game, then it is essentially worthless.

I also slogged through Cadwell's silver and gold, and did everything in each of those zones. The vast majority of my achievements in this game are with my first character, who made vr14 without grinding. I created two other characters to play, but I want to continue progressing my first character. Although it's true I could earn CP by continuing to level up my other two characters (and more after them), the thought of repeating the same quests over and over and over again is just mind-numbing. And who's to say ZoS won't swoop in one day and take all those achievements away too. Once burned, twice shy.

dodgehopper_ESO

One thing that does come to mind, about those concerned about now future quests, is the future Spellcrafting system. I'm fairly certain that hunting down new spells on those missions for the guild will represent new missions for us to do. Perhaps this is one way we'll be able to continue (not including new story content such as Wrothgar & Black Marsh coming up). I'm not going to deny I'm a little curious how they'll handle this, and I have Vet 14's and high vets as well. I just have to think that they realize how demotivational it would be to have put a lot of effort into those characters and get it completely dumped on. One would hope so anyway. I feel like these guys are trying though, and when you look at the trajectory of what they're trying to do, well we'll just see.

Wolfenbelle

Audigy wrote: »

However, what do you want them to do? Give you all the points now that someone could in theory achieve?

How would this be fair and justified?

Simple. It would be fair and justified because the person EARNED those points by putting in the time and effort necessary to achieve the level he or she has reached in the game so far. Further, it would be fair and justified because a ZoS representative said, point blank, that we should keep playing our veteran characters because our XP is being tracked so it could be converted to CP once that points system is released. That wasn't just a suggestion or a promise. It was a declarative assertion just one step short of a guarantee. Players behaved accordingly. ZoS set this whole situation up and now players are to be penalized for doing what they were told to do? This is outrageous and in almost any other industry would be cause for civil if not criminal liability.

Milf_Hero

onlinegamer1 wrote: »

What is it with ZOS that causes them to make such bad decisions about ESO?

"You can keep earning XP and you'll get more champion points when CS goes live."
"Uh, oops, no, its fixed at 30 pts for everyone with 1 or more Vets, sorry you wasted your time."

Seriously? That is a monumental level of incompetence.

Here are some alternate ideas which I am going to free-type right now, thinking them up as I go. Let see... uh...

1. You get base of 30. Then you get +1 extra for each Vet char you have.
2. You get base of 30. Then you get +1 for every 10 Vet levels all your characters have.
3. You get 1 base, but you get +1 for every 3 Vet levels all your characters have.

Lets stop there. Say I have one account with 8 VR14s (the max you could have) and one account with only 1 VR1.

1. I get 38 CPs vs 31 CPs
2. I get 41 CPs vs 30 CPs
3. I get 38 CPs vs 1 CPs

So, while FREE THINKING, I came up with NOT ONE, NOT TWO, but THREE SUPERIOR IDEAS TO ZOS which doesn't RENEG on their promise that XP earned now will grant more CPs, YET still keeps players fairly balanced with each other except for the last option (which we can eliminate).

Whoever is the "idea person" over at ZOS needs ... better ideas.

Eh. Don't like the multiple vets at max or nearly max vr rank to get the complete benefit of your ideas. Maybe if it was on vet xp points you have earned instead of vr levels. So it didn't require you to play 8 characters to get the max credit for your ideas. Zos did say they were tracking our XP or had a way of doing so, Im guessing they could see your accounts vet xp. (xp gained with any of your vet characters). The based off that they could give you 1 champion point per X amount of vet xp.

Im sorta alright though with the way they went. They did kinda lead us on to think some people would get more champion points than others based on xp but they took the fair route instead. Fair for every vet at 1.6 launch and not just people that play a lot. It does keep people close together, power wise. I think ZOS did the right thing. This time..

Milf_Hero

xaraan wrote: »

What about those of us that didn't grind? I have completed the quests on all my guys, I have no content to go back and do for points. My choices are PvP (which I don't like) or grinding for points (which isn't what I pay a sub for). I'd love to just do quests and earn points. I now have two non vet characters that I can do that with, that's it, until they add more content to the game. Or slowly walk my way up the ladder with daily pledges (a little slower than being able to spend a few hours questing).

They said they were gonna >(try to) < balance out champion xp gains of different play styles. Meaning you will roughly get the same amount of xp if you do dailies, monster grinding, pvping, etc. If you have run out of quest, that's why dailies exist. Hit up old craggy, pledges, and cyrodiil pve and pvp quest/dailies.You will have to test this out on the PTS and give them your feed back so they can maybe help cater to your play style, as well as others.

Sharee

EQBallzz wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

EQBallzz wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

xaraan wrote: »

I'm sure those players that don't play much or level slowly are loving this, but in the end, it's really not fair to some of us.

Anyone who grinded xp in the hope of gaining an initial advantage in the CP amount knew he is risking being over the cap already and not getting anything from his grind(since the actual cap was unknown).

I have four veteran characters and i am not bothered by this.

What does grinding have to do with anything? I have two max level characters and I didn't grind. In fact, anyone who did grind is probably benefiting if they skipped the quests because they can still go back and do the content they skipped and get XP for the CP system. It's the people who *didn't* grind and actually completed all the content on 1 or more characters that are getting screwed here.

If i understand you correctly, you feel you are getting screwed because you no longer can get your CP from quests that you already have done.

ZOS said they want all activities in game to reward roughly the same CP. That includes activities typically done by capped characters who already completed all static content, i.e you. So you should not be screwed in any way, even if you cannot do the quests anymore. Just do what you typically do and you should gain CP at the same rate as the player who quests.

Personally, i am going to get my CP from the cyrodiil dailies (during the live they said they are going to make them very rewarding, CP-wise)

What do I do at max level? Once a week I might do a trial (new activity for me). That isn't going to be much XP.

You have no idea how much XP it's going to be, because it is being rebalanced. The people at Zenimax DO know they have maxed players like you, and they DO want them to have a fair shot at gaining CP, no matter what their favorite activity is.

Also, if you really going to play that little, you will greatly profit from the inspiration system (basically you will earn CP at 4x normal rate all the time you do play)

Black_Wolf88

if they stick with this and make all equal to 1 vet character it will be punishing those that have done the most all over again like with undaunted where ppl who had done least dungeon achievements got to level up undaunted the fastest.

initial start of 30 points and then gain some more points depending on your characters level is something I completely agree on with OP.

A person who have 5 vr14 characters have a lot less to do in game to gain new xp for champion points compared to a person with 5 vr1 characters or just 1 vr1 character. the vr14 have ava, craglorn, vr dungeons and trials to gain new xp from.

a person with 1 vr1 character have 10 zones of content to easily and quickly gain champion points with all ava, craglorn, vr dungeons and trails to come later or at the same time.

zenimax should really start keeping their word and gives those that have done the most the benefits they promised and not give them a kick behind once again. Im not saying it should be an unfair advantage, but as vr14 you have done a lot more than a vr1 and should be awarded as such.

as it is now with what they have said its more like crippling those that have done everything while rewarding those that are new and havent done much of quests, dolmens, dungeons etc. which is unfair to us who have cr14 and completed all zones before this patch.

Sharee

The new zones that are coming out in (i guess) a few months should also alleviate some of the concern that 'i have no more quests to do to gain champion points'.

Remember that earning champion points is a marathon, not a sprint. It's not something you can grind for a month or two and then be done. It will take the average player years to max them out. There should be plenty of content coming out in meantime to give players new ways of obtaining CP.

Nazon_Katts

It's kinda funny how they always drop such kind of information, that just has to stir up the pot, on Fridays and then skive off into the WE. Somehow, I expect them all to play the fiddle in the meantime.

Dunno, but if it was me who's in charge of customer relations, I'd make damn sure there's someone around at all times and right from the start to answer all upcoming and to be expected concerns and questions.

Winnower

As someone whose primary playing style is PvE questing, as of yesterday I've stopped questing any VR level characters at all. My recommendation is you do the same.

I no longer have faith that they'll be doing the right thing when it comes to champion point allocation and I don't want to lose the ability to gain xp via questing when it happens.

Any leveling I do now will in fact be grinding levels, so I can save all the quests for later. What a bitter irony.

MornaBaine

smacx250 wrote: »

I wonder - and it is really no more than that - if something else will happen in the final phase when the VR levels are removed. Such as, for now everyone gets 30 champion points but also keeps their VR levels, and then when the final phase rolls out and VR levels go away, some other kind of champion point compensation is given in place of the "lost" VR levels.

That would be both a smart and cool thing for ZoS to do. Even cooler would be if they'd announce something to that effect now in order to cool some of the justifiable ire of people here.

olemanwinter

Voodoo wrote: »

love how people think that ths game is "work" for their VR14 and how they got robbed of something special.

If you dont play this game for fun then I think you should "reavaluate why you are playing this game?".

By that logic, if your character was reset to lvl 1, you wouldn't mind I suppose?

Right? Cause that's just a great new opportunity for more fun playing time!

I think Zos should reset your account and send you a little note that says "Life's the journey, not the destination!"