If Addon support was discontinued tomorrow...

Rosveen · December 2014

I totally rely on addons for my enjoyment of the game, and would likely cancel my sub if I couldn't use them.

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

if this was a single player game i would be in total agreement and ALL for add-ons just like i was an add-on freak in morrowind, but it's not, it's an mmo. add-ons dont belong here

Virtually every MMO has add-ons, how do they not belong?

leeux · December 2014

I totally rely on addons for my enjoyment of the game, and would likely cancel my sub if I couldn't use them.

There's a handful of addons that I consider essential to the healthy playing experience, like Research Assistant, Sous Chef, Item Saver, AI Research Grid, Inventory Grid View, Advanced Filters and Bank Manager (plus, maybe, a couple of others for things I don't use personally.)

They provide basic quality of life functions that should have been part of the base game's UI, IMO.

MornaBaine · December 2014

I would be upset if we couldn't use Addons anymore, but I'd still be able to enjoy playing the game.

I really waffled on my answer. I'd be pretty furious if ZOS suddenly decided to take away the few add-ons that I do use...ESPECIALLY the one that stacks my guild bank! That one has been a HUGE time saver! And while I initially enjoyed the "surprise" of stumbling across sky shards and lore books I'd hate to do it that way on all my alts.

So ZOS, unless you are going to step into the void this would create and replace ALL the popular add-ons with game supported ones... yeah don't even think about it.

Rosveen · December 2014

I totally rely on addons for my enjoyment of the game, and would likely cancel my sub if I couldn't use them.

Oh, I just remember others that I initally didn't think about because I'm not a guild master. Mass mail and guild bank stacker - pretty important for big, active guilds.

xMovingTarget · December 2014

I totally rely on addons for my enjoyment of the game, and would likely cancel my sub if I couldn't use them.

Better UI or Riot!

#betteruiriot

DeLindsay · December 2014

I would be upset if we couldn't use Addons anymore, but I'd still be able to enjoy playing the game.

As long as ZoS implements many of the features that addons take care of I'm fine with it. I don't use a ton of addons but the specific ones I do use I feel should be part of the game to begin with.

NukeAllTheThings · December 2014

I totally rely on addons for my enjoyment of the game, and would likely cancel my sub if I couldn't use them.

If they were to remove add-ons I would not even turn the game on and immediately unsub and uninstall

BBSooner · December 2014

I've never used addons at all, so this wouldn't affect me.

Haven't needed add-ons for content thus far. Maybe murkmire will change that? Maybe Imperial City? Nah.

Samadhi · December 2014

Loss of add ons would kill the diversity of potion options that I use. Would likely only use one type of potion and Alchemy would feel even less satisfying as a craft than it does now.

Having add ons is the only way I have been able to report a number of issues with skills not working correctly; those bugs were later fixed.

The game would still be functionally playable, but it would be a lot worse off without add ons for me.

MrGhosty · December 2014

I would be upset if we couldn't use Addons anymore, but I'd still be able to enjoy playing the game.

Many of the add ons are the only way to reliably get feedback about performance in combat, what buffs and debuffs you're affected by etc. I support the minimalist hud and such but these options should be been options for players looking to refine their game.

PBpsy · December 2014

I totally rely on addons for my enjoyment of the game, and would likely cancel my sub if I couldn't use them.

Instant unsub unless they would also have a very major overhaul of the UI.

s7732425ub17_ESO · December 2014

I totally rely on addons for my enjoyment of the game, and would likely cancel my sub if I couldn't use them.

Addons are extremely, extremely important for the game. As a hardcore player, most of the endgame content would be unplayable or unenjoyable without addons.

QuadroTony · December 2014

I would be upset if we couldn't use Addons anymore, but I'd still be able to enjoy playing the game.

1 and 2
i wonder about ppl who choose last option

QuadroTony · December 2014

I would be upset if we couldn't use Addons anymore, but I'd still be able to enjoy playing the game.

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

if this was a single player game i would be in total agreement and ALL for add-ons just like i was an add-on freak in morrowind, but it's not, it's an mmo. add-ons dont belong here

lol, you know nothing about MMO

dharbert · December 2014

I've never used addons at all, so this wouldn't affect me.

To all of those who say you will unsubscribe if they discontinue support for addons, please drop off all winnings @dharbert on your way out

drkeys143 · December 2014

I would be upset if we couldn't use Addons anymore, but I'd still be able to enjoy playing the game.

I'd be disappointed, but wouldn't stop me playing tbh. I'm surprised at the poll result so far to be honest, with regard to first option

Ourorboros · December 2014

I would be upset if we couldn't use Addons anymore, but I'd still be able to enjoy playing the game.

I'm not currently using any combat add-ons, but use many 'housekeeping' add-ons like AwesomeGuildStore, CraftStore, and AdvancedFIlters. I use them only because the default UI makes many bank/inventory chores a PITA, especially when compared to how much better the same chores are with add-ons. The problem with add-ons is they break with game patches. Though authors like Garkin keep their add-ons updated, others do not, such as CraftStore.

Here is an example of the problem with the UI, add-ons, and ZOS role in this. Though the game is heavily quest oriented, the default UI cannot show you completed quests. ZOS officially responded, (paraphrased) "Sorry about that, we added some query functions that can be used in an add-on to view completed quests". I have no idea if anyone added this feature to a new or existing add-on, but why , in a quest heavy game, should I have to rely on an add-on for this feature. Instead of being a feature anyone doing quests could use, players would have to find the add-on, and then hope it's kept up to date.Only those using the add-on could access what should be built in, especially in an Elder Scroll game. This is the box that ZOS has put us in. And they sell it as a game 'feature'.

Grunim · December 2014

I totally rely on addons for my enjoyment of the game, and would likely cancel my sub if I couldn't use them.

I wouldn't cancel my sub, but I'd be cursing ZOS every 1 to 5 minutes of playing time if they didn't give comparable QoL improvements to the ones that I get from Greymind's Quick Slot Bar, Wykyyd's Suite, Advanced Filters, Sous Chef, and so on and so on....

That's odd, I thought I checked the "I would be upset if we couldn't use Addons anymore, but I'd still be able to enjoy playing the game" option.

Warraxx · December 2014

I totally rely on addons for my enjoyment of the game, and would likely cancel my sub if I couldn't use them.

Roomba! enough said.

QuadroTony · December 2014

I would be upset if we couldn't use Addons anymore, but I'd still be able to enjoy playing the game.

i have 112 addons in my AddOns folder

cazlonb16_ESO · December 2014

I'd quit immediately. Staple UI is the worst of any MMO released this millenium. ( That's almost all of them, just saying for the younger members of our community ).

Black_Wolf88 · December 2014

I would be upset if we couldn't use Addons anymore, but I'd still be able to enjoy playing the game.

I would believe I will still play the game, however, without addons the game would definitely be lacking. If zenimax dont fill the void with some good ui options like many of the addons I use, then I cant how long til I stop playing.

addons fill in for whats needed/necessary to improve the gaming experience, for ui systems that should have been there to begin with.

Tiitus · December 2014

How do ppl come up with these bizarre post?.. this is just so.... random..

Psychobunni · December 2014

I totally rely on addons for my enjoyment of the game, and would likely cancel my sub if I couldn't use them.

dharbert wrote: »

It wouldn't affect me in the slightest. I've done everything in this game up to and including end game content without a single addon. Those who rely on them are the elitist min/maxers, terribads who can't play otherwise, or players wishing this was the other MMO they used to play.

I call BS. I could live without some addons used to simply make things easier on me ie:undiscovered/lorebooks

However, other addons like Roomba (guildbank stacker), BytheNineNotify (to stop the stupid notifications of xxx player I dont care abt in trade guilds) Shopkeeper (to tell me what item I sold in which of 4 trade guilds).....a few others have absolutely nothing to do with your (I hate addons so I'm gonna troll) reasons, as much as they do fixing the abject laziness on the part of ZOS to provide a functional interface/game for those that don't have all day to sit doing all the things they are for and actually wish to play.

Most would be over the moon happy to drop the addons, if ZOS would listen (just look at the download numbers for Talos sake) and fix it. But no, facial animation is more important

GamerzElite · December 2014

I use (or have used) a few addons, but I wouldn't care at all if support went away.

First 4 months I played without any addons, So it doesn't affect my play style.

Aoife32001 · December 2014

I use (or have used) a few addons, but I wouldn't care at all if support went away.

Addon support is nice to have, and there is really no need to get rid of it. That being said...

leeux wrote: »

There's a handful of addons that I consider essential to the healthy playing experience, like Research Assistant, Sous Chef, Item Saver, AI Research Grid, Inventory Grid View, Advanced Filters and Bank Manager (plus, maybe, a couple of others for things I don't use personally.)

They provide basic quality of life functions that should have been part of the base game's UI, IMO.

"(E)ssential to a healthy playing experience" and "basic quality of life functions"? I'm really not sure what this means. It's a game. Sure, some addons might be useful depending on what you're looking for as far as UI, but this game is completely (healthily?) playable for me without any of them.

I use an addon here and there, but personally I prefer the minimalist vanilla UI. In fact, I would rather an addon that removed some of the vanilla information I already have! (like compass quest markers, for example)

Psychobunni wrote: »

dharbert wrote: »

It wouldn't affect me in the slightest. I've done everything in this game up to and including end game content without a single addon. Those who rely on them are the elitist min/maxers, terribads who can't play otherwise, or players wishing this was the other MMO they used to play.

I call BS. I could live without some addons used to simply make things easier on me ie:undiscovered/lorebooks

However, other addons like Roomba (guildbank stacker), BytheNineNotify (to stop the stupid notifications of xxx player I dont care abt in trade guilds) Shopkeeper (to tell me what item I sold in which of 4 trade guilds).....a few others have absolutely nothing to do with your (I hate addons so I'm gonna troll) reasons, as much as they do fixing the abject laziness on the part of ZOS to provide a functional interface/game for those that don't have all day to sit doing all the things they are for and actually wish to play.

Most would be over the moon happy to drop the addons, if ZOS would listen (just look at the download numbers for Talos sake) and fix it. But no, facial animation is more important

I second dharbert, actually, whether you call "BS" on it or not. Even if you personally would find loss of support earth-shattering, it really wouldn't impact either myself or dharbert, among others, in the slightest, because we really never used addons to begin with. Sure, I've experimented with them here and there, but have as yet to find anything necessary to both play and enjoy the game.

There is a difference between what you need to maximize potential/efficiency (for you min-maxers) and what you actually need simply to play the game, period.

Addons--nice to have? Sure.

Necessary to play the game? Nope.

Rosveen · December 2014

I totally rely on addons for my enjoyment of the game, and would likely cancel my sub if I couldn't use them.

Aoife32001 wrote: »

leeux wrote: »

There's a handful of addons that I consider essential to the healthy playing experience, like Research Assistant, Sous Chef, Item Saver, AI Research Grid, Inventory Grid View, Advanced Filters and Bank Manager (plus, maybe, a couple of others for things I don't use personally.)

They provide basic quality of life functions that should have been part of the base game's UI, IMO.

"(E)ssential to a healthy playing experience" and "basic quality of life functions"? I'm really not sure what this means. It's a game. Sure, some addons might be useful depending on what you're looking for as far as UI, but this game is completely (healthily?) playable for me without any of them.

I use an addon here and there, but personally I prefer the minimalist vanilla UI. In fact, I would rather an addon that removed some of the vanilla information I already have! (like compass quest markers, for example)

Once again we arrive at the same problem: there's a difference between menus and what you see while running around. The second is short on options and annoying for hardcore players, but generally playable. Minimalism works here. Menus, on the other hand, are simply flawed and add-ons are the only way to bring basic functionality that should have been included from the start.

Mail is clearly underdeveloped. There isn't even a reply button. There's no guild mass mail.
Stores don't have a word search. When you sell items, you don't know what you sold and in which store.
Crafting and researching are a logistic nightmare without add-ons. There is no easy way to track researched traits and learned styles. I am not going to run to a forge every time a friend asks me if I can make a weapon they need. I could make a spreadsheet... and keep alt+tabbing. I could print it out... but it's 2014 and I shouldn't have to write this stuff down on a piece of paper.
Potion wheel is indefensible. It's consolized and has no place on PC where everyone has access to a keyboard full of buttons.

I could go on. Yes, ESO is playable without add-ons. Skyrim was also playable with backwards flying dragons, 16253 ways to break Blood on Ice and mouse clicks not working in menus 80% of the time. Doesn't mean that experiencing these things was enjoyable.

Aoife32001 · December 2014

I use (or have used) a few addons, but I wouldn't care at all if support went away.

Rosveen wrote: »

Aoife32001 wrote: »

leeux wrote: »

There's a handful of addons that I consider essential to the healthy playing experience, like Research Assistant, Sous Chef, Item Saver, AI Research Grid, Inventory Grid View, Advanced Filters and Bank Manager (plus, maybe, a couple of others for things I don't use personally.)

They provide basic quality of life functions that should have been part of the base game's UI, IMO.

"(E)ssential to a healthy playing experience" and "basic quality of life functions"? I'm really not sure what this means. It's a game. Sure, some addons might be useful depending on what you're looking for as far as UI, but this game is completely (healthily?) playable for me without any of them.

I use an addon here and there, but personally I prefer the minimalist vanilla UI. In fact, I would rather an addon that removed some of the vanilla information I already have! (like compass quest markers, for example)

Once again we arrive at the same problem: there's a difference between menus and what you see while running around. The second is short on options and annoying for hardcore players, but generally playable. Minimalism works here. Menus, on the other hand, are simply flawed and add-ons are the only way to bring basic functionality that should have been included from the start.

Mail is clearly underdeveloped. There isn't even a reply button. There's no guild mass mail.
Stores don't have a word search. When you sell items, you don't know what you sold and in which store.
Crafting and researching are a logistic nightmare without add-ons. There is no easy way to track researched traits and learned styles. I am not going to run to a forge every time a friend asks me if I can make a weapon they need. I could make a spreadsheet... and keep alt+tabbing. I could print it out... but it's 2014 and I shouldn't have to write this stuff down on a piece of paper.
Potion wheel is indefensible. It's consolized and has no place on PC where everyone has access to a keyboard full of buttons.

I could go on and on. Yes, ESO is playable without add-ons. Skyrim was also playable with backwards flying dragons, 16253 ways to break Blood on Ice and mouse clicks not working in menus 80% of the time. Doesn't mean that experiencing these things was enjoyable.

I'm all for addons. That said, poor menu design being what it may, they're still not necessary for my personal enjoyment. I've played games so long, I'm perfectly happy writing stuff down with pen and paper if I think it's necessary. To each his/her own, I guess.

leeux · December 2014

I totally rely on addons for my enjoyment of the game, and would likely cancel my sub if I couldn't use them.

@Aoife32001:

As I said in my post, for me 'healthy' playing experience means: addons supply basic information that the game should be showing me, or automates tedious tasks that I have to do pretty much every day while in game.

I wont argue about immersion/not immersion here, since I'm talking about addons that add nothing to the HUD while you're playing the game.

So, for the sake of giving some examples, bear with me through this list:

* Me: "Do I have to decon this item or should I save it for reseach?"
-> Game: "I don't know... don't have time to look it up for you"
-> Research Assistant: "Shows a red square on the inventory if I don't know that trait."

* Me: "Hmm... my inventory is a mess, I'd like to move all provisioning ingredients to the bank"
-> Game: "Scroll through a list of 150 slots (or whatever space you have expanded your inv to) and when you see and ingredient, double click on it!"
-> Bank Manager: just configure it to move all provisioning to the bank, click a button and done (or vice versa too.)

* Me: "Mm... Do some of my alts would want to know this green recipe I've just found?"
-> Game: "Logoff and Logon on each alt and see in the bank if the recipe is known or not"
-> Sous Chef: "Just look at the recipe tooltip, I've put which chars of you know this recipe there. You're welcome."

I could go on with at least 20 more examples like those, but I don't want to sound too pedantic

EDIT: spelling... and more spelling

Rosveen · December 2014

I totally rely on addons for my enjoyment of the game, and would likely cancel my sub if I couldn't use them.

Aoife32001 wrote: »

Rosveen wrote: »

Aoife32001 wrote: »

leeux wrote: »

There's a handful of addons that I consider essential to the healthy playing experience, like Research Assistant, Sous Chef, Item Saver, AI Research Grid, Inventory Grid View, Advanced Filters and Bank Manager (plus, maybe, a couple of others for things I don't use personally.)

They provide basic quality of life functions that should have been part of the base game's UI, IMO.

"(E)ssential to a healthy playing experience" and "basic quality of life functions"? I'm really not sure what this means. It's a game. Sure, some addons might be useful depending on what you're looking for as far as UI, but this game is completely (healthily?) playable for me without any of them.

I use an addon here and there, but personally I prefer the minimalist vanilla UI. In fact, I would rather an addon that removed some of the vanilla information I already have! (like compass quest markers, for example)

Once again we arrive at the same problem: there's a difference between menus and what you see while running around. The second is short on options and annoying for hardcore players, but generally playable. Minimalism works here. Menus, on the other hand, are simply flawed and add-ons are the only way to bring basic functionality that should have been included from the start.

Mail is clearly underdeveloped. There isn't even a reply button. There's no guild mass mail.
Stores don't have a word search. When you sell items, you don't know what you sold and in which store.
Crafting and researching are a logistic nightmare without add-ons. There is no easy way to track researched traits and learned styles. I am not going to run to a forge every time a friend asks me if I can make a weapon they need. I could make a spreadsheet... and keep alt+tabbing. I could print it out... but it's 2014 and I shouldn't have to write this stuff down on a piece of paper.
Potion wheel is indefensible. It's consolized and has no place on PC where everyone has access to a keyboard full of buttons.

I could go on and on. Yes, ESO is playable without add-ons. Skyrim was also playable with backwards flying dragons, 16253 ways to break Blood on Ice and mouse clicks not working in menus 80% of the time. Doesn't mean that experiencing these things was enjoyable.

I'm all for addons. That said, poor menu design being what it may, they're still not necessary for my personal enjoyment. I've played games so long, I'm perfectly happy writing stuff down with pen and paper if I think it's necessary. To each his/her own, I guess.

Technically, I'm okay with that too. I still have my research sheet I started in April.

But it's the kind of thing I expect to see as an option in the game. I could draw my own map too, but I do I really want to...?