Gyudan wrote: »

I don't think that's the case. There are 487 Linkedin users displayed as current ZOS employees at the moment. That should be enough to continue properly.

Maybe, but something is seriously broken.

With the last few patches it looks and fells a lot like the left hand has absolutely no clue what the right hand is doing/changing and vice versa...

Ragefist wrote: »

Not happening, Spellcrafting vanished from the table for now, after patch 6 we gonna get patch 7 with PvP elements of Justice system, Imperial City and maybe phase 4 Champ system if we are lucky.

Those ambitious projects requiring lots of manpower, content monkeys who grown up on blizzard patch system might not entirely appreciate that

Oh, that's a pity, I was looking forward to this.
I can understand the decision, though.

With the justice system, I already a plethora of cool ideas and finally get to create an alt to explore the opportunities to "live of the land".

show me one other MMO with this kind of regular updates? ....and you said it best OP ..." in the grand scheme of things". Meaning you dont like this update then unsub and come back a fww monhs later when the "grand scheme of things", is even bigger.

To add to what Gyudan is saying (with whom I completely agree), it's not only the lack of content. It's the lack of meaningful progression.
As his signature also mentions, crafting is way too easy. You have BIS gear in a matter of minutes nowadays. The few useful pieces that are dropped are so RNG-y you just don't bother after a while, since the gain is too small.
What use is farming like crazy for +100 dps when you can already do more than enough to finish all the available content?

They did a really good job delivering content, but they failed making it last.
You clear the Serpent and have zero incentive to ever set foot in there again.
Sure, the sets can be nice, but why bother? They are so extremely unimportant that you just don't bother anymore.

Don't even get me started on the Arena.

Face it, carrot on a stick or not, MMOs need to incentivize repeated playthroughs. Even more so sub-based MMOs.



EDIT: And don't you DARE mention the new shoulder/head pieces.
It's the Diablo 3 fiasco all over. Let's add the ability to only get one piece per day, and make it completely random. GENIUS.
No, scrap that. It's even more screwed up than Diablo 3, at least you could grind your eyes out in that game. Alone.



TL;DR: Loot system is trash, no incentive to do end game, no meaningful progression.



P.S: I will gloriously DELETE (Not even deconstruct) all those pesky Aether pieces I keep getting. Serpent, you can graciously shove them where the sun don't shine.

The forums have been in a hissy fit for months about ZOS not pushing new content but rather fixing the content they have - and when they finally (attempt to) do so, the forums throw a hissy fit over no new content.
- I sincerely hope that ZOS employees are able to laugh most of this off.

Voodoo wrote: »

show me one other MMO with this kind of regular updates?

That's easy: Guild Wars 2. And it doesn't even require a sub.

Where are those 46 pages of patch notes - i want to read!

There will be all sorts of new things that won't be noticed by players who only have a single character.

In update 3 they introduced the Dark Seducers into the Sheogorath Quests. In update 4 they moved the Mournhold Wayshrine into the city and added more Guild Traders. In update 5 they added additional walls, separating the mire from Haven.

Cherryblossom wrote: »

bosmern_ESO wrote: »

Are you kidding me? REALLY?! "thats it"?!

Do you even realize that massive scale champion and justice system alone take up? ZoS is literally going back and changing nearly every possible thing in the game, and thats not enough for you?

Champion system completely changes combat, it goes back into character progression and pretty much re-writes the entire thing, thats not enough for you?

Justice system goes through almost every interact-able object in the game and changes its drop table, it changes and adds dialogue for almost every NPC in the game, and you say "is that it?"

Not to mention the new provisioning revamp, armor changes, new abilities,and combat animation enactments.

There is 46 pages of patch notes, 46 pages and you want more?

The OP was actually talking about Content, you know things to actually do!
You can only run from the guards so much!
Re-writting the progression system does no good if you have nothing to do with it. Currently there is no carrot to encourage the re-run of the few Raids or Dungeons we have, PVP is completely broken.
All this would seem to be giving is a huge update patch, an almost re-writting of the game that will no doubt bring months of headaches and bugs.

"You can only do X for so long" can actually be said for any type of update. This update I think is targeted more towards a different demographic then what we might be use to. This update (to some) could keep them preoccupied way longer then any dungeon / quest line / zone could of kept them. This is something a solo player could do, if they add another dungeon, AWESOME! But this would be the second content patch that didn't have some major update for players who group (first one being update 3, where they just got a hard mode of the trails) if they don't introduce new dungeons.

It also will give players who have fun just messing with builds a ton of hours worth of content (and major blow to our banks) where we can test these new builds out.

I am all for them adding more then what they have stated, but by no means is this content going to be used up by every player in a couple of days. Most of my friends I use to play games with wasted more time on these side activities then anything else in previous games.

ers101284b14_ESO wrote: »

Champion System
Justice System
Provisioning revamp with new recipes and ingredients
New separate inventory for Mounts, pets and other stuff
Full Animation redone
Start of heavy armor tweaking
More Delves getting overhauled
and god knows how many fixes and stuff.

Yeah its huge.

I hope they'll implement a more capable launcher/downloader before that update...

Marthenil wrote: »

Woolenthreads wrote: »

There will be all sorts of new things that won't be noticed by players who only have a single character.

In update 3 they introduced the Dark Seducers into the Sheogorath Quests. In update 4 they moved the Mournhold Wayshrine into the city and added more Guild Traders. In update 5 they added additional walls, separating the mire from Haven.

I already feel relieved.

Pardon my sarcasm, but some stuff need to change, and that should not be priority by any stretch. If they want to have some form of retention, that is.

I'm simply getting at the fact that, unless people have gone back for some reason, there are a lot of things that have been changed which players, who have passed them, will never notice. It's true they are mostly cosmetic changes but they're still changes.

On my list of what I actually care about in 1.6

1. Champion system
2. Complete rework/review of all abilities. Desperately needed.
3. Pie implementation (yes pie )

See how short my list is? But in reality I'm VERY excited for these (assuming they do it right).

Champion System - Enhanced player customization? Sign me up ZOS! To my knowledge there is going to be nine trees, 3/3/3 split up into Health, Magicka and Stamina. You invest points into these trees to customize your character further, and earn Champion points by "leveling up" your character. I believe all stats get x10 alongside the Champion System so the decisions we make feel more meaningful.

Complete review of abilities - Do I even need to list how many useless / under-utilized abilities there are currently, for both PvP and PvE? So many abilities need some love, or the nerf hammer (looking at you DK Scales). Plus if I'm not mistaken there may be some PvP special abilities added in with 1.6 to handle zergs (not positive on that one though, may be later). Very much looking forward to being able to effectively use abilities that I'm currently ignoring because they're straight up bad.

Pie!!! feed meh! - Pretty sure this is 1.6 as well (hope so!). Not sure if you saw the ZOS vid with Paul Sage explaining pie but essentially everything in the game is going to be thought of as a pie. In their example they demonstrate your physical armor rating as a pie. No longer will abilities be able to fill in stat-voids that your character may have (looking at you cloth users!). It's pretty hard for my brain to explain it but I'll take a stab at it (or look at this thread http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/136702/how-the-champion-system-is-a-complete-overhaul-of-game-numbers/p3)

Theoretical example provided by Dominoid
Physical armor rating pie is comprised of

1. Buffs (Abilities/skills, passives, potions and food) can contribute 30% to your total armor rating
2. Type of armor worn (Light, Medium, Heavy) - Light contributes 8% to your total armor, Med is 16% and Heavy is 24%
3. Champion System can contribute up to 24%
4. Five-piece set bonus can contribute up to 5%
5. Shield contributes 5%
6. Trait on armors (Reinforced) contributes 4%
7. Enchants on Jewelry contribute up to 4%
8. Weapon enchant defending contributes 2%
9. Mundas stone effect can contribute 2%

So using those numbers if I'm a DK wearing light armor, using full impen trait using Destro/Resto staff with 5 piece Warlock/Seducer, using magicka cost reduction enchants and sharpened weapon trait, with Apprentice mundus I will basically get
8% of the armor pie from my armor worn
Lets surmise 30% armor from Abilities, etc.. because DK's are OP.
and nothing else.

So a total 38% armor compared to someone else who may choose to use defending trait, or wear heavy armor. In this pie scenario there is no way to attain higher armor than someone who uses heavy armor. Simply put if I choose to wear light armor instead of Heavy it WILL impact my armor rating. And most of the time someone using Heavy and investing champion points into armor rating will be much more survivable to physical damage.

Can't get any more excited for this man. I think you're underestimating the awesomeness coming early January (not soon enough).

I would love to see the things the OP mentioned, although I still disagree that update 6 isn't enough. I think it is a huge endeavor. Those other things will come. Considering how fast updates happen, I don't think it will be to long.

If Zeni didn't make such a balls up of the game for release they wouldn't have had to waste so much time and resources fixing the game and changing core game elements. These resources and the time could have been spent on better content. If they had of listened to beta testers telling them the game was no where near ready for release, the game wouldn't have copped so much flack for such a bodgey product.