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Low Population Bonus Issues

  • Lava_Croft
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    My head hurts from trying to make sense of your post. Good job.
  • heng14rwb17_ESO
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    AD often need to fight purple alliance even though we have very few people.
    ESO is being fair to give us a pop bonus.
  • Hermod
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    Crap, since when is it fair to give several days were of point to a team who's members can't be bothered to PvP?
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  • Turelus
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    Hermod wrote: »
    Crap, since when is it fair to give several days were of point to a team who's members can't be bothered to PvP?
    Indeed. I'm not even going to bother trying to regain that place, I'm done with PVP this months and it's not even a week in.
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  • Thudunblundur
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    I don't believe that AD are low pop. This campaign they have frequently been highest pop and still getting the bonus. (I'm not playing the campaign, just going in from time to time to see what's going on and doing some exploring of far flung corners)

    Oh - and was hit by 3 Lethal Arrows and a Mark Target inside a second today. Insta-kill. Latency around 80 and no lag spikes (better with the lower population). Would have been more impressive if it wasn't all the same player. Guess which faction ( no prizes...)
  • saryc
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    I don't believe that AD are low pop. This campaign they have frequently been highest pop and still getting the bonus. (I'm not playing the campaign, just going in from time to time to see what's going on and doing some exploring of far flung corners)

    Oh - and was hit by 3 Lethal Arrows and a Mark Target inside a second today. Insta-kill. Latency around 80 and no lag spikes (better with the lower population). Would have been more impressive if it wasn't all the same player. Guess which faction ( no prizes...)

    the night they had 1,5k bonus there were like 40 of them vs 6-7 EP fighting for scroll. A night or two before when they had 700 bonus I was the only person defending Farra vs 20+ AD, and then we had 2 EP guys at scroll vs. the same AD raid.
    Low pop, ZoS?
  • Cody
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    Now 1460 bonus. Please stop this.

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    are you kidding me..... its MUCH worse than i thought.....

    im amazed you have had the patience to stay... this is almost worse than the horrendus lag
  • themizario
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    Disgusting.
  • Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO
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    @ZOS_GinaBruno‌ please help you are EU pvps only hope.
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  • Turelus
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    Yesterday I completed some delves in Craglorn... The Wabbajack guild master also finished an entire AD zone in gold. We're really enjoying PVPE!

    On a more serious (and sad) note, my guild is actually looking to lose members over this. Commanders are demoralised and don't care, some players want to leave the game, other players want to change to Azura's Star, some want to try and fight back...

    I really can't show people just how screwed up this has made PVP for an entire guild.
    Edited by Turelus on December 7, 2014 10:23AM
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  •  Berbecca
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    Now 1460 bonus. Please stop this.

    [img][/img]cg90ov9esv5z.jpg

    So this is really "working as intended"? Are you @%!@&* kidding me??
  • Turelus
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    I just can't believe they haven't come and made another post about this.
    So many issues get a nice developer reply to calm people down, yet this issues seems to be settled now we all know it's working as intended.

    Sadly most the people I know angry about this don't have or can't create forums profiles and post to show how angry they are.
    @Turelus - EU PC Megaserver
    "Don't count on others for help. In the end each of us is in this alone. The survivors are those who know how to look out for themselves."
  • Cody
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    this is "working as intended".... are you kidding me.......

    /sigh. y'all have no idea how close i am to unsubing.... no idea
  • AbraXuSeXile
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    I wish someone from Zenimax saw what i did that morning. When your about 8 players online in our faction as it was our last keep, with 30+ AD stood outside. Then pressing L and seeing THEM with lowpop.
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  • Turelus
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    Just going to say ZOS, when at a guild meeting people actually say "Is there any way we can convince our entire faction to log off in the last week to get this ourselves?" there might be an issue with the mechanic.

    Also just to quell the fears of our enemies, no we won't be trying it. We'll be too busy in Dragonstar Arena to worry about not doing PVP at the right time.

    #WabbajackPVEGuild
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  • bertenburnyb16_ESO
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    Thank you for staying patient, all. We have looked into the population bonus and everything seems to be working as designed. To give you a bit more insight into the mechanic, the population bonus is applied and dissolved over time and not immediately. Because of the gradual application, there isn't really a way for players to log in and out to raise or lower the bonus in a consistent way.

    We can say after looking at the campaigns from the back end that the battles are often pretty close! That said, we will continue monitoring the campaigns to see if the population bonus needs to be tweaked.

    BULLSH*T
    if you cant fix it just remove it, thornblade doesnt need a lowpopbonus anyways
    Edited by bertenburnyb16_ESO on December 8, 2014 10:09AM
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  • Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO
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    Turelus wrote: »
    Just going to say ZOS, when at a guild meeting people actually say "Is there any way we can convince our entire faction to log off in the last week to get this ourselves?" there might be an issue with the mechanic.

    Also just to quell the fears of our enemies, no we won't be trying it. We'll be too busy in Dragonstar Arena to worry about not doing PVP at the right time.

    #WabbajackPVEGuild

    Its ok Wabba's not an AD guild so wouldn't work apparently
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  • Turelus
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    Turelus wrote: »
    Just going to say ZOS, when at a guild meeting people actually say "Is there any way we can convince our entire faction to log off in the last week to get this ourselves?" there might be an issue with the mechanic.

    Also just to quell the fears of our enemies, no we won't be trying it. We'll be too busy in Dragonstar Arena to worry about not doing PVP at the right time.

    #WabbajackPVEGuild

    Its ok Wabba's not an AD guild so wouldn't work apparently

    That just made my morning, thank you! :disagree:
    @Turelus - EU PC Megaserver
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  • Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO
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    You're welcome, maybe @ZOS_GinaBruno‌ will make your afternoon with a post that its being looked into again on EU Thornblade?
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  • Hermod
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    Still nothing off the Devs
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  • Lava_Croft
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    I think it's safe to assume that as long as there is no update from ZOS on this issue, they haven't found anything meaningful to share with us.
  • Reverb
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    Has anybody taken this issue to the ESO reddit and Facebook sites?
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  • Turelus
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    Reverb wrote: »
    Has anybody taken this issue to the ESO reddit and Facebook sites?
    Not myself as I don't have a Reddit account and I don't normally post on FB groups.

    *Edit; I have however tweeted about it a few times, however as the #ESO hashtag is used for everything else in the world it doesn't really get the message out to those who would care.
    Edited by Turelus on December 8, 2014 6:24PM
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  • Thudunblundur
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    This post has been moved from another thread to this one because it is more appropriate here than in the list of players upset with the low pop bonus thread.

    I would have thought it a basic criterion of game design: that crucial game mechanisms that have a huge effect on the result should be clear to all players. All the problems stem from this not being the case here. Were the way the mechanism works clear to all players then it would not matter that the timings of their bonuses were so convenient - we would know why and have to applaud their skill. As it is, it looks suspiciously as though the system was manipulated whether it was or not. And it really might not. It could be all half thought through and badly implemented design.

    As if this wasn't bad enough, as far as I have been able to tell - and I've asked about it already on this forum - those devs that play, play only for the AD. I am quite genuinely sure that no dev has intentionally let anything slip, but the contacts between them and the AD are stronger than with either other faction. Look at the number of AD guild leaders who went to the Conference, compared with the other two factions.

    Perhaps nothing whatever slipped, perhaps it did. We'll never know. But it doesn't inspire confidence when you have a low population mechanism that so clearly helped the side most closely linked with the devs when that side is not even THE low population faction as far as a player can tell!

    All these issues would be avoided if the way the mechanism worked was clear to all players.
  • Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO
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    Wonder if we will get a reply today from @ZOS_GinaBruno‌ or @ZOS_JessicaFolsom‌
    Edited by Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO on December 9, 2014 9:59AM
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  • Turelus
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    Wonder if we will get a reply today from @ZOS_GinaBruno‌ or @ZOS_JessicaFolsom‌

    Sadly I think they're looking at sub numbers and players playing who don't care rather than those that do here. I mean we're a tiny amount of the player base right, so who cares?

    That's at least the feeling I am being left with. EVE Online update today, so I might just go play that all week instead, subs up in three days...
    @Turelus - EU PC Megaserver
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  • Turelus
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    @ZOS_BrianWheeler @ZOS_MattFiror can you really tell us this here is how you want your PVP score evaluations to work?

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  •  Berbecca
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    Turelus wrote: »
    That's at least the feeling I am being left with. EVE Online update today, so I might just go play that all week instead, subs up in three days...

    And I'm afraid you are not alone. The lack of interest in PVP from ZOS part is already driving many people away from this game.
  • Turelus
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    So considering other threads in this forums are getting replies, I take it ZOS is just done with this one now.

    I will even write you a message to copy paste.
    Thank you again for your patience everyone.
    After watching the campaigns and reading all of the feedback you have posted here on the forums we realise many of you are still unhappy with the current implementation of the low population bonus mechanic.
    The mechanic is working correctly and not bugged however we now realise that this may not be what's best for the game, as such we're going to start looking at ways to improve this mechanic so it continues to give underpopulated factions a bonus and chance to keep up but not letting them dominate the scoreboard.

    We as such would like to start working with the PVP community to try and find a mechanic which works better for everyone involved.

    @Turelus - EU PC Megaserver
    "Don't count on others for help. In the end each of us is in this alone. The survivors are those who know how to look out for themselves."
  • Nermy
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    I really can't believe that:

    a) This is working as intended.
    b) ZoS have nothing to say.
    c) We're still putting up with this shite!

    I'm finding PvP hard to play simply because of the lag but this scoring fiasco is a very hard pill to swallow...

    As someone who played LoTRO for a long time, I enjoyed the relationship their community manager (The Might 'Sapience') enjoyed with the community. There was rarely a thread or discussion that he didn't comment on.

    The lack of communication from ZoS and the Devs borders on the contemptuous.

    And I am not just talking about this thread, I mean in general... Do they have any idea how to treat a game community? A community that pays for their jobs. A community that should be treated with the respect that it deserves.

    I, for one, have been getting more and more annoyed and frustrated at the lack of communication from ZoS on these forums but apart from cancelling my sub for a game that I actually enjoy, I have no idea how to kick these guys up the proverbial arse!!!
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