Read above. The only way a side can abuse this is if they have low population for several hours before that in which they are vulnarable have low map control and lose: points, map control and scrolls. And for the rest to not have the bonus means they const keep numbers in range for the bonus to not be active and they can defend or even take map control for longer period of time then the one with the bonus. So its working as intended indeed for short period a side get bonus to catch up. However the problem in this is when formula for how much is done with average number taken as constant.
For example if on 1 campain low priority hours are 3:1 and on other 6:1 and for the formula overall bonus for all campain is taken X*4.4 in a campain where is 6:1 they wont get back the map control and points back no matter what but on the campain where is 3:1 with a bit organisation the disadvantage in numbers in this case can turn in to advantage with this system.
(Those are just guesses i dont have 100% info how the system works anywhere.)

There must be a some balance tho. I played only few weeks and as new player only vet 3 atm i get killed all the time everywhere. And if there was no support for the low numbers we had in AD side there wouldn't be any point for me to even think about trying to support my side trying to win. Would mean just to go on campain when really bored once i get vet 14 and trying to kill 1 or 2 enemy while the fight in the 2 side splited map, cause in that time everyone else would have given up and AD side will be dead. I played other games and to make balance for 3 side war is really hard. If one of the 3 side get even a bit lower in power problems start and most of the time ends with players moving to one of the other 2 sides. The max number per side is one of the solutions already added but need one where all are happy when numbers are low also. At the moment this is the low population bonus points. I understand also that to see fewer people to get much more then you normally get doesnt really boost morale also.
Lets say most of the people fight in prime time for about 6h but campain is open 24h so if any side has higher overall number its normal for them to win by default.

Will you pvp if you know no matter what you do you will always lose in the end? For me everyone who blames the system without giving at least 1 option how he thinks he will be better has no place here.

It happend this morning around 09:00 on Thornblade EU

I have two screenshots from today morning, short bevore tick. AD had most keeps and moste ressources and they had the bonus. Shortly after the tick the bonus went away to came again short before next tick.

AD took one more of the resources, Arrius Lumbermill was under attack at that time...

I don't really understand the reasons behind tick-based scoring instead of just continuous scoring, could someone enlighten me? Anyway, it seems like we should all have a buzzer that alarms 5 min before the scoring tick so that everyone knows to log off and get some coffee, if it really works this way.

@ZOS_MattFiror‌ - Can we have some more investigation on this issue please. Perhaps we can start a kickstarter for 1 days dev investigation pay ?

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO wrote: »

sphane wrote: »

So i would suggest to bring mess in the PVE buffed campains as guests and come back the last day of the Thornblade EU campain to dispute the victory.

Please do I like a challenge, I'm not going to abandon the campaign because of the bug but it is disappointing

At the end, I know, I will not leave... My head is very hard (even when you guys are walking/kicking/jumping on it). I'm playing this campain since the beginning after the end of bloodthorne, it's my homeland, and the challenge of the 3rd round you won was very exciting despite the lags and crash and scrollback. I would like to find this challenge again on this campain even if we have to wait 30 minutes to queue on it... But a lot of us are leaving, and this crappy bug is just killing PVP. I could farm AP, but this is boring as hell. And what for at the end ?

In any case the bonus should not be over the total of the points others factions are gaining in true unbalance situations.

But to be honnest I would prefer a full removal of any kind of bonus. There is (was) enough people on this campain to manage night capping risk. And you AD have proven you have the best team to recover score without any kind of help (end of the 2nd round and full 3rd round).

Or adding a lot of other bonuses :
- One for the team who is cornered the most by the others (such a kind of orange/purple/green alliance penaly)
-One for the team who have an excess of Nords : we know they are drunk all the day
- One for the team who have an excess of Khajit : we know they are lazy and sleeping all the day.
- One for the team who have an excess of Orcs : they are very too stupid.
- One for the team who is holding Chalman or Drake or Dragon the longest
- One for the team who is holding Alessia Bridge the longest
- One for the team who is failing the most in ninja of Glade Faregyl or Arrius
- One for the team who is camping Kingcrest Lumber the most
- One for the team who have the highest number of guys who are hiting walls with ice treb
- and so on : i'm sure there is a lot of idea we all might have. It would be nice we would have at the end a more complex and unpredictible system than the French Tax system.

Now 1460 bonus. Please stop this.

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daoc.cyrrob16_ESO wrote: »

Now 1460 bonus. Please stop this.

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This has to be a joke.

Or maybe ESO is not a game, it's a well funded social experiment to see how many bugs, and of what type, the gaming community will endure in a mmo before reaching 90% attrition. We are determing the issue threshold for future gaming development. That's the only reasonable explanation for the craptastic degradation of pvp we continually see here.

Edited to add : To be clear, I play on the NA servers, and we have seen issues with the low pop bonus, but nothing like the mind boggling examples you guys are posting from the eu campaigns.

I played on Thornblade EU last night until past 1am GMT and yellows were fighting over Nikel/Brindle/Ash on one side and over Blue Road Keep/Arrius/Sejanus on the other. No way they were vastly outnumbered, nor were their keeps and resources taken. They were also far from being underdog, since they were in second place. Yet they pull this stunt of +1400 in the middle of the night WITH a full map cap?

Screw this. The last post from any CS Rep on this issue was 3 weeks ago. If this is working as designed, it was designed badly. If it's being abused, they've had ample time to research the abuse. In any case, they SHOULD have told us something else by now. Since they haven't, I have no choice but to think that ZOS are both clueless and incompetent.

ZOS what is wrong with you?
i cant belive things like this.

daoc.cyrrob16_ESO wrote: »

Now 1460 bonus. Please stop this.

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WHAT THE **** !?!

Don't worry everyone, the fact only one faction has had this bonus for over a month now, the fact it goes higher that 3x total map control, the fact members of my guild are leaving PVP and the game isn't an issue at all.

Because... this mechanic is....

Working...
... As....
INTENDED!!! *crowed cheers wildly*

Yeah, I am being a sarcastic jerk ZOS, because I made how many civil, constructive and informative posts, I was polite to the developers replying.

You know how @ZOS_MattFiror posted in the recent road ahead "Worked to increase our overall transparency and communication with you, our community, which is also a continuing effort" well I will out right tell you, no your communication with your community sucks.

It's the same half-arsed effort every large MMO company has and thinks is good, because 80% of their player based don't care. Leaving this dumb mechanic behind a moment here is an example of how you deal with your community and issues that come up. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=search&devbadge=1&gmbadge=1

You see that? You see how many developer, community reps, GM's and other members of the CCP staff post there with their players? Also go and take a look at #tweetfleet on Twitter, see how CCP developers post in there, joke laugh and answer questions?

This issue is over a month old now, it's pissed off pretty much every member of the PVP community and all we have heard is two token posts of "we will look into it, but it seems fine."

I'm so angry right now, I cancelled my sub over it earlier this month and reactivated again when it seemed we were getting somewhere, however maybe I should just do what members of my guild and friends in the community have done, close it fully and go play other games.

Tell me why I should pay you any money when the aspect of the game I pay you for, actively works to screw me over. Maybe even tell me why this mechanic is allowed to break the max points limit, why should players not playing the game have better chances to win PVP than players like me who dedicate hours a day to defending and attacking keeps?

What do we have to actually do to get this looked into seriously, to have a member of the ZOS team come in here and start talking about this, create a back and forth about the idea, ask us what we think about x and if y could help as well. If you find their getting bombarded by the toxic and moronic members of this community, ban those people from the forums and let players like me, who want to have a talk about making this game better for everyone actually worth with you to fix it.

/endrant