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My liddle staff guide

Dracane
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Greetings,

many people aren't sure, what staff to choose. I have done a lot of testing during the last few days and want to introduce the results to you. Warning: This text is a bit longer, so only read, if you're interested in using staves.
I've tested with VR14 staves, blue quality and without traits on them and made sure, to always fight against the same VR12 enemy.

Fire staff: This is still the favorite staff of most people. Most people believe, it's the strongest of all when it comes to damage. This is almost true, but not at all.
Fire and frost staves share the same damage values. The advantage of fire is, that it can cause DoT's, dealing extra damage. You will deal extra damage against most animals, daedric enemies have fire resistance.

Light attack: 178
Light attack crit: 267
Heavy attack: 394
Heavy attack crit: 591
Impulse damage: 254

The problem is, that many people are playing Dunmer (especially in the Ebonheart-pact) they have fire resistance and quiet a lot people enchant their jewelry with fire resistance. There are almost more vampires than normal players and they have a fire weakness, but most vampires use 2 golden fire resistance enchantments. So you will probably never taste the full potential of the fire staff.

Frost staff: Pure PvP-Staff in my opinion. The snare effect is celestial and nobody uses frost resistance, yet Nords do have it and they are pretty popular. The staff shares the same problem with any other snare in the game: Their projectile flies soooo slow and it's so easy to block it. Enemy blocks= no snare, and the snare is why you take the staff, not the damage. You will deal extra damage against daedric enemies, but not against undead like skeletons and zombies. So it's also a good choice in some dungeons.

Light attack: 178
Light attack crit: 267
Heavy attack: 394
Heavy attack crit: 591
Impulse damage: 254

Shock staff: Pretty much the reason, why I decided to make this thread. Shock staves are a big topic and nobody really wants to use them. Because shock heavy attacks simply suck. The damage of shock heavy attacks is only a bit higher than the restoration heavy and its crit values are horrible, as only the final projectile and not the channel can cause critical damage. The channel itself (without the final projectile) can penetrate Dragonknight reflective scale. But the channel is much weaker than the restoration staff channel and is no valid choice.

But the shock staff shines when it comes to light attacks and abilities. Believe me when I say, that the attack speed of shock staves is faster than the fire staff and the shock staff always dealt around 20-30 more damage during my tests. Also attacks like Impuls deal more damage than the fire version (flatt damage). Fire Impuls will cause DoT's, so the damage of the fire Impuls will still be a bit higher at the end, but shock attacks lower the enemies damage done by 11% and this is a good trade in my opinion, as it also affects EVERY boss.

Light attack:187
Light attack crit:281
Heavy attack: 375
Heavy attack crit: 435
Impulse damage: 268

As you can see, the heavy attack damage is horrible, especially when we compare the crit damage. But the light attack damage, together with the higher attack speed of the shock staff, makes it the superior choice, when you plan a light attack build.

Unfortunately, light attacks don't seem to cause a shock effect. I've tested it with shock enchantments as well, but it doesn't seem to proc the damage mitigation, at least not on bosses. That's why a fire glyph is highly recommended for shock staves, as it always procs a small Dot.

Most people in PvP have unpenetrable traits on their armor nowadays, that's why crit builds become more and more inferior and this is the biggest strenght of the fire staff. I recommend to use the shock staff with balanced trait, to increase the light attack speed by 12%. Shock staves are the best staves for light attack waving (a quick light attack before you use any ability)

It's hard to find a use for the heavy attack of the shock staff. Full destro heavy attacks seem to restore 10% Magicka since the last update. If you use elemental drain on an enemy, you will restore Magicka, every time you deal elemental damage (Overload light and heavy attacks don't count! So stupid). The shock channel hits 4 times, so you can pretty much restore 100 Magicka with a single heavy attack + 10% and it does probably restore a bit more than a resto heavy attack and it deals more damage and has the chance to deal at least a bit critical damage.

That's it :) I hope, I was able to point out the benefits and disadvantages of the single staves. It's clear, that the shock staff still needs a small buff when it comes to passive skills. Nobody wants shock heavy attacks to deal 10% splash damage. The heavy attacks are bad anyway and 10% of that is not worth it. So maybe there are some tweaks needed, to improve that staff.

May Auri-El bless you and may Magnus fill you with Magicka.
Edited by Dracane on November 17, 2014 12:39PM
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Trinimac is my shield,
Magnus is my mind.

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  • erosenjiyb14_ESO
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    the 10% splash is worth having when fighting multiple opponents and the fact that is can debuff your opponent damage out is worth it and if your a sorcer it helps proc Disintegrate
  • Islyn
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    Yep! WHAM and FREEZE!
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  • Hypertionb14_ESO
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    on sorc the heavy attack from lightning staff can be good for certain situations..

    the best 1vX i managed on my sorc was thanks to me using just the heavy attack from a staff to deal constant damage while i keep on Encase.. eventually disintegrate procs and killed them out right.. i managed to kill 3 people with just that before the others managed to actually notice me enough to start targeting me...

    2 of them were DKs with shields...
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  • Dracane
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    So you want to tell me, you had them under 25% health constantly and they didn't heal themselves ? Of course..... Disintegrate is such a stupid passive. You use mage's fury to execute people, not a stupid 5% chance. Who is lame enought to not heal himself and let that happen ? Probably noobs, but they are easy to kill anyway.
    Edited by Dracane on November 17, 2014 10:02PM
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    Trinimac is my shield,
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  • Jahosefat
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    My lightning staff heavy attacks do a fair bit more damage than what you have listed. I also find lightning staff heavy attacks to be most useful in PVP over other staff options.

    With surge and a potion my lightning heavy attack does ~150 for first 3 ticks, them 200 for final. This is ~650 damage per heavy attack. With weighted the heavy attack cast time is ~1.3 seconds (about the same as crystal frags). Also, I don't believe the final burst from lightning heavy attacks is being reflected by DK reflective scales (I haven't noticed this in the past couple of weeks, and I've been heavy attacking a bunch of DKs).

    In short, lightning heavy attack does decent damage with high weapon power (~650 per), restores more mag than other destr staffs, cannot be reflected by DKs, has an AOE damage debuff, and has a chance to disintegrate (even the AOE damage!..... heavy attack dying zergs). Because of this, lightning is my preferred destr staff for PVP. I also roll with a resto staff, but tend to heavy attack more with the lightning staff so I have crushing shock handy.
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  • guybrushtb16_ESO
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    Dracane wrote: »
    So you want to tell me, you had them under 25% health constantly and they didn't heal themselves ? Of course..... Disintegrate is such a stupid passive. You use mage's fury to execute people, not a stupid 5% chance. Who is lame enought to not heal himself and let that happen ? Probably noobs, but they are easy to kill anyway.

    Bosses in pve do that.
  • DeanTheCat
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    @Dracane‌ , may I suggest the Undaunted Unweaver set to compliment your shock staff? Cast Immovable on yourself to activate the set's bonus, then proceed to use heavy attacks to tear down single targets. With the set's bonus, Destruction Shock Heavy attacks do obscene damage, which with Immovable protecting you from CC, allowing you to continue to channel your Destruction Staff Heavy attacks. As heavy attacks restore Magicka, you will constantly have enough Magicka to cast heals from a restoration staff off swap. Also, as far as I know, heavy attacks cannot be interrupted, allowing for a pretty much unopposed domination in 1v1s.
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  • Dracane
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    Please remember, these numbers are only examples and don't represent the maximum.
    It's only for comparison. And I've tested that undaunted gear. My lighting heavy deals 1150 damage now and the fire heavy around 770. So it's reasonable.
    771. But light attack+ crystal shard still deals more damage in a shorter time period.

    I haven't tested the heavy attack with weighted trait so far. It doesnt seem to reduce the time for heavy attacks, only light attacks. But I could be wrong.
    Edited by Dracane on November 19, 2014 3:51PM
    Auri-El is my lord,
    Trinimac is my shield,
    Magnus is my mind.

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