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Every major update reminds me why relying on 3rd party add-ons for basic features...
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Absolutely not. Most of the addons are for functionality. Like sorting your inventory so you don't have to scrolls 500 times to find your crafting materials or checking to see whether your alt knows a trait already before logging them in. These are time savers to take away from the tedious time sinks they have implemented. They are not for hand holding. Your statement was completely ridiculous to imply that we simply want the game to play itself for us. And a mini map isn't too much to ask for, skyshard locations included or not.You could add on an add on updater that takes care of that automatically. You could test your add ons on PTS and relay any problems to the person who made it. You could make your own. Or you could just whine.
Not to mention that you could stick with the default UI, as doubtless a good many of those who have no technical issues with the game have done. Just because you're used to having something in another MMO doesn't mean that you need to have it here. Most add ons are simply designed to hand the game to you on a plate, like showing all the skyshards on the map, rather than - shock, horror - finding them. They're not essential.
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You cannot possibly be this clueless. That can only mean you enjoy thriving on conflict and/or you are on ZOS' payroll.nerevarine1138 wrote: »OrangeTheCat wrote: »The people here who say 'just use Minion; one click and my add-ons were all up to date in 10 seconds', while generally true, are failing to take into consideration add-ons that are no longer being maintained. Minion won't save you. Half of my dozen of so add-ons are still out of date and three of those crash. No doubt the authors got fed up with this buggy game and left. So I had to spend quite a bit of time finding maintained substitutes for these add-ons. So it's not always a "10 seconds" inconvenience; stop trivializing the problem. I mostly use add-ons for things that any responsible software company would have implemented themselves. e.g. item stacking in the guild bank, etc., things that patch the glaring deficiencies in the game's UI.
I'll take "Things that are not ZO's problem," for 600, Alex.
Ok, here's the answer: "These people are responsible for maintaining their add-ons. If they don't, the add-ons will break."
BUZZ
What are third-party add-on developers?
Correct!
I'll take "Whiterun Wolfhound" for 200, Alex.
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MercyKilling✭✭✭✭✭eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »You cannot possibly be this clueless. That can only mean you enjoy thriving on conflict and/or you are on ZOS' payroll.
What a tired and lame retort.
Zenimax pays me Jack and ***, and Jack left town weeks ago...and I feel the same way.
It really isn't Zenimax's fault or responsibility to tailor updates so add ons don't break with each patch.
All these so-called "must have" features I've done without from day one, and never had a problem doing so. Sure, things might take a bit more time to accomplish because I don't have add on "A" to sort and tidy things up...but I'm in no hurry.I am not spending a single penny on the game until changes are made to the game that I want to see.
1) Remove having to be in a guild to sell items to other players at a kiosk.
2) Cosmetic modding for armor and clothing.
3) Difficulty slider.
4) Fully customizable player housing that isn't tied to anything in the game other than having the correct resources and enough gold to build. Don't tie it to PvP, guild membership, or anything at all. Oh, make it instanced so as not to take up world map space, too. Zeni screwed this one up already.
Any /one/ of these things implemented would get me spending again, maybe even subbing.3 -
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Are you kidding me?? All we want is a UI that has some very basic features. How about instead of worrying whether horses can jump without getting a running start (I haven't seen a single thread about this) fix the damn UI (at least a dozen threads). Give me a break, this is about them not being completely clueless as what their community wants. Stop defending them.diamondeyethunderbow_ESO wrote: »Then leave. This need to avoid every little expendiature of time and do nothing but content, content, content, every single moment is part of what's destroying most of the MMO market. Developers simply cannot keep up with the need for instant gratification.
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First off, I wasn't even saying they should tailor their updates. Lord knows they have enough trouble releasing them bug free. I am saying they should have these things built in already so that we don't need addons.MercyKilling wrote: »eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »You cannot possibly be this clueless. That can only mean you enjoy thriving on conflict and/or you are on ZOS' payroll.
What a tired and lame retort.
Zenimax pays me Jack and ***, and Jack left town weeks ago...and I feel the same way.
It really isn't Zenimax's fault or responsibility to tailor updates so add ons don't break with each patch.
All these so-called "must have" features I've done without from day one, and never had a problem doing so. Sure, things might take a bit more time to accomplish because I don't have add on "A" to sort and tidy things up...but I'm in no hurry.
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Hey, you're not talking for me, and I daresay you aren't royalty! The UI isn't broken as you would want us to believe. Haven't used any addon up until now, never missed any "functionality" they're offering for any purpose, very probably will never use one as long as the game is alive. So how 'bout you give me a break, this part of the community don't want none.eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »
Are you kidding me?? All we want is a UI that has some very basic features. How about instead of worrying whether horses can jump without getting a running start (I haven't seen a single thread about this) fix the damn UI (at least a dozen threads). Give me a break, this is about them not being completely clueless as what their community wants. Stop defending them.diamondeyethunderbow_ESO wrote: »Then leave. This need to avoid every little expendiature of time and do nothing but content, content, content, every single moment is part of what's destroying most of the MMO market. Developers simply cannot keep up with the need for instant gratification.
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indigoblades✭✭✭My experience has been either the addons are updated VERY fast, so Kudo's to Addon Developers. Some of my addons are orphaned, but those are mostly simple ones, i can usually edit the addon file to get it to work (for personnel use).
Some addons i use are nice icing on the cake stuff & definitely not required. But most of mine are things either missing from the UI or things required because the UI is bad. Skyrim didnt have a great UI but i learned to live with it or mod parts that bothered me too much.
As far "is this ZOS's fault" i am in the middle on that..... the interface is going to change as update emerge, so in that respect add-ons will break and need to be updated. On the other hand most people whom write frameworks (Zos wrote a frame work for addon developers) depreciate certain functions they plan to change in the future, and warn users of the framework this feature is being replaced. They also way the pros and cons of changing any published framework and are slow to change it.... that way things break less often. Not sure how all this works in the addon/game business and it is looking like things are much more reactionary than planned. That said this is my 1st mmo, so i may be way off base.
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✭✭✭The problem isn't just that addons break, that is normal. The problem is they take care of 98% of things that are supposed to be in a basic RPG user interface, and due to zos providing such a lacking default one, the game suffers hugely if and when any addons inevitably break or are abandoned.-First-Wave Closed Beta Tester of the Psijic Order, aka the 0.016 percent.
Exploits suck. Don't blame just the game, blame the players abusing them!
-Playing since July 2013, back when we had a killspam channel in Cyrodiil and the lands of Tamriel were roamed by dinosaurs.
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✭✭nerevarine1138 wrote: »nerevarine1138 wrote: »3. Even if the first two things weren't true, it's still not ZO's problem. Addons are maintained by third-party developers. It's their job to fix addons if an update breaks them.
It is if i cancel my subscription because i cant stand that lousy UI
Then ask them to change the UI instead of whining about them not also doing the addon developers' jobs for them.
They won't change the UI, because many (if not most) players like the minimal UI the way it is. But you're complaining to ZO about something they have no responsibility for or control over.
And when you create a post asking for the UI to be improved, mr Nerevarine will be there to tell you to stop beating the dead horse and that the UI is fine.
Coming from someone who analyses his DPS by "Is this mob dying fast enough for my taste", doesn't really surprise me.3 -
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✭✭✭nerevarine1138 wrote: »nerevarine1138 wrote: »3. Even if the first two things weren't true, it's still not ZO's problem. Addons are maintained by third-party developers. It's their job to fix addons if an update breaks them.
It is if i cancel my subscription because i cant stand that lousy UI
Then ask them to change the UI instead of whining about them not also doing the addon developers' jobs for them.
They won't change the UI, because many (if not most) players like the minimal UI the way it is. But you're complaining to ZO about something they have no responsibility for or control over.
And when you create a post asking for the UI to be improved, mr Nerevarine will be there to tell you to stop beating the dead horse and that the UI is fine.
Coming from someone who analyses his DPS by "Is this mob dying fast enough for my taste", doesn't really surprise me.
Hey now, "is it dying fast enough for ME to personally like?" is a highly scientific and quantifiable---oh heck, I can't even finish the joke it's so silly
. Edited by Attorneyatlawl on November 12, 2014 11:50AM-First-Wave Closed Beta Tester of the Psijic Order, aka the 0.016 percent.
Exploits suck. Don't blame just the game, blame the players abusing them!
-Playing since July 2013, back when we had a killspam channel in Cyrodiil and the lands of Tamriel were roamed by dinosaurs.
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✭✭nerevarine1138 wrote: »nerevarine1138 wrote: »3. Even if the first two things weren't true, it's still not ZO's problem. Addons are maintained by third-party developers. It's their job to fix addons if an update breaks them.
It is if i cancel my subscription because i cant stand that lousy UI
Then ask them to change the UI instead of whining about them not also doing the addon developers' jobs for them.
They won't change the UI, because many (if not most) players like the minimal UI the way it is. But you're complaining to ZO about something they have no responsibility for or control over.
And when you create a post asking for the UI to be improved, mr Nerevarine will be there to tell you to stop beating the dead horse and that the UI is fine.
Coming from someone who analyses his DPS by "Is this mob dying fast enough for my taste", doesn't really surprise me.
Actually I Like the UI, it's fine for me, I don't want too much information, is just distracts, and a health bar is fine for me.
Not got anything against those who want more, just I have no issues with current UI.People believe what they either want to be true or what they are afraid is true!
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Passion rules reason
Wizard's third rule
Mind what people Do, not what they say, for actions betray a lie.
Wizard's fifth rule
Willfully turning aside from the truth is treason to one's self
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✭nerevarine1138 wrote: »1. Addons aren't essential for the game. I don't care if you miss having everything laid out for you in a UI that covers half the screen. They aren't essential. Never will be.
2. Addons break in every MMO after a major update. ESO just gets major updates more often than most MMOs. If you're going to play with addons, get used to this.
3. Even if the first two things weren't true, it's still not ZO's problem. Addons are maintained by third-party developers. It's their job to fix addons if an update breaks them.
I think a lot of the people here would love to not use Addon's but the actual tools provided by ZOS are useless.
I honestly wouldn't use the Guild store without my Addon.
My inventory, I would struggle everyday to find what I want, without my addon
I would like to know what Buffs and de-Buffs, some would argue not necessary but for me I think they are.
Number 3, in my opinion is a ZOS problem as they have not given us the tools in game so the majority of us, have to use addon's.
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