Are you happy with ESO's trade system?
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AlexDougherty✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭No, I'd prefer a global AH, but leave the guild trader system intact and make their fee lower than the AH'sAlexDougherty wrote: »I like the system as it is, but I would like a global trade system as well, and I see no reason they can't co-exist. A bit like how Amazon exists at the same time as the supermarkets.
Hi Alex!
Here is your reason for not be able to trade with the enemy.MercutioElessar wrote: »I'm open to really everything that is supporting the TES lore.
In addition I'd like to not be able to trade nor communicate with the other fractions due to the enemy they are.
Hi Cogo.
That's an RP reason, and while I respect RPers, I could get around that with a few NPCs talking about Blackmarket smugglers supplying the Vendors, and increasing the costs for members of other factions by 10%.People believe what they either want to be true or what they are afraid is true!
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Rune_Relic✭✭✭✭✭
✭Other (please only completely different suggestions)Lets face it...TES doesnt shy away from the ugly side of society.
Assassination, burglary, pickpocketing, extortion rackets, slavery.
EXPLOITATION ....whistles anonamously.Edited by Rune_Relic on October 18, 2014 5:29PMAnything that can be exploited will be exploited0 -
Rodario✭✭✭✭✭No, I'd prefer Regional MarketsMornaBaine wrote: »I think a lot of people either did not read or did not understand the Regional option.
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Yes, I think it may have been a mistake to just assume people would follow the link and read the post before voting. I felt like cluttering the poll text by quoting the whole suggestion, now I inserted the general idea at least.
This was amended at 78 votes. There is a good chance the percentage of "regional market" votes would have been a bit higher at that point (6%), but that's an assumption of course. If the total number of votes gets to be high enough, I'll call that possible difference negligible.Victoria Lux - Templar Tank
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Rodario✭✭✭✭✭No, I'd prefer Regional MarketsMy impression of the general mood on the forums is that a lot of people are not happy with the guild trader system and while a global AH is not viewed as the best solution by many players, something has to change.
I have decided to include all the trade systems I can think of in this poll to see where the majority lands.
A few clarifications beforehand:
- Global AH also means cross faction AH
- Regional Markets refers to the system described in this post
TL;DR from that post:
-- No more bidding. All guilds can offer their wares in a regional market of their choice. For a fee, of course.
-- All guild traders within a region are linked and show the same items for sale.
-- Some markets will be more popular than others, this will influence the fee.
I don't expect the outcome of this poll to affect anything, but I'm interested to see the results.
Another equal poll where the system who rewards effort and not lazy only get 1 option to vote for.
But lots of options for: "I want AH!! So I can sell and buy easy! I don't want to look for what I need!"
@Cogo It's got the option "I want things to stay as they are". The other options are simply all the trade systems and variations thereof I could come up with.
I disagree with your perception that there is only one "non-lazy" option. First, because I do not view favoring efficient systems as lazy. Secondly, because there is an even more time consuming option: "Trade chat only". Also, Regional Markets would presumably reduce effort required for most players, but would give those who want to study and play the market even more to do.Edited by Rodario on October 19, 2014 7:18AMVictoria Lux - Templar Tank
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Rodario✭✭✭✭✭No, I'd prefer Regional MarketsAshySamurai wrote: »AshySamurai wrote: »
I don't feel like this is a duplicate, as those polls are just yes/no.
It's just a link to previous discussions. I don't ask you to necro topics. Maybe someone would be interested in reading it.
I misinterpreted your intent @AshySamurai.Edited by Rodario on October 19, 2014 7:37AMVictoria Lux - Templar Tank
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MercutioElessar✭✭✭✭✭Yes, I'm happy with the system as it isMercutioElessar wrote: »a function to LEND items
Holy cow... How would you control a lending system?
Secondly but nevertheless important: This game plays in an age like the middle ages. Lending a sword?
"Hey, Sir Gawain would you please lend me your sword for this fight? You'll get it back after some decapitations eventually".
Big LOL
When you lend an item to a player it comes with a time limit. Once the time has reached the limit the item automatically returns to the owner.
I think youre the only person who would speak like that in an mmo. Thus youre the noob here. BIG BIG LOL.
Well, if it is noobish to think one step further, about someone lending an item and salaging it or selling it before it can be returned to the owner (and don't tell me such things don't happen...) and the problems coming with such behaviour I am proud to be the noob, sweetheart
If I've ever offended you,
just know that from the bottom of my heart,
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Rodario✭✭✭✭✭No, I'd prefer Regional MarketsI really like the guild stores, use them every day. The lost guild traders, standing far way at lonely places... what a crap.
Never create a AH worldwide or factionwide, it ruins the market. Price and market manipulation like WoW or Tera ? Sure a AH is comfortable, but I know enough people who abused it ! Raising prices = AH ! Cause many players with millions of gold, just waiting for it.
@Starwhite I never saw someone successfully manipulate the WoW AH, that may just have been my server.
For the sake of argument, lets say someone tries to control the market for a particular item by setting a much higher price for it, buying all the cheaper offers and reposting them at his price. I don't see the problem with that and here's why:
- That's simply not possible with a listing limit of 30
- Say a guild does it, or the listing limit is removed, the original sellers of these items get what they asked for, so they're happy. The buyers who do not want to pay the manipulated price will turn to WTB messages in chat and will more than likely find someone who will sell the item for the old price. Sellers who want to ruin the manipulator's plan simply start listing the item at one gold less than the manipulator, forcing him to either give up or buy up the undercutting competition at a loss. Problem solved.Edited by Rodario on October 19, 2014 7:30AMVictoria Lux - Templar Tank
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Ilmarthethief✭✭✭No, I'd prefer Regional MarketsGuys, haven't you tried EvE Online? Trade system we have in TESO is some similar to that one - no global auction house but lots of trade hubs. The only thing we need is a regional trader search, to find a trader with the best prices and trade orders (and big trade hub like Jita
). Please do NOT whine for global AH, it will ruin everything. System we have today is much, much better, especially for crafters. 2 -
Tandor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No, I'd prefer factionwide AHsMornaBaine wrote: »I think a lot of people either did not read or did not understand the Regional option.
I don't think people failed to comprehend the regional option. You presumably suggest they did because they're not voting for it. The main reason for that, in my view, is not that they misunderstood it, but that they understood all too well that it retains the present system of having to join a guild in order to sell items, and that is one of the most unpopular aspects of the current trading system.
While I prefer a factional AH system from a lore/role-play polnt of view, a global AH would be a very close second. Either would be a massive improvement on the present system.Edited by Tandor on October 19, 2014 11:12AM1 -
Rodario✭✭✭✭✭No, I'd prefer Regional MarketsMornaBaine wrote: »I think a lot of people either did not read or did not understand the Regional option.
I don't think people failed to comprehend the regional option. You presumably suggest they did because they're not voting for it. The main reason for that, in my view, is not that they misunderstood it, but that they understood all too well that it retains the present system of having to join a guild in order to sell items, and that is one of the most unpopular aspects of the current trading system.
While I prefer a factional AH system from a lore/role-play polnt of view, a global AH would be a very close second. Either would be a massive improvement on the present system.
It was just a link before anyone voted for it and I can tell by the view count vs. vote count that not many followed it to read the description. Also, there is a part about allowing participation without guild membership in the full post.Victoria Lux - Templar Tank
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✭✭✭✭✭No, I'd prefer Regional MarketsMornaBaine wrote: »I think a lot of people either did not read or did not understand the Regional option.
I don't think people failed to comprehend the regional option. You presumably suggest they did because they're not voting for it. The main reason for that, in my view, is not that they misunderstood it, but that they understood all too well that it retains the present system of having to join a guild in order to sell items, and that is one of the most unpopular aspects of the current trading system.
While I prefer a factional AH system from a lore/role-play polnt of view, a global AH would be a very close second. Either would be a massive improvement on the present system.
It was just a link before anyone voted for it and I can tell by the view count vs. vote count that not many followed it to read the description. Also, there is a part about allowing participation without guild membership in the full post.
Yes, one of the main reasons I voted for this option was precisely because those who don't want to take up a guild slot with a trade guild can still buy AND sell under this system while still making it interesting and profitable for those who do want to be more deeply involved in a market system.PAWS (Positively Against Wrip-off Stuff) - Say No to Crown Crates!0 -
Oolou✭✭✭Yes, I'm happy with the system as it isCurrent system works fine for me, but I did join a large trade guild that is well run with active members ... so maybe that is why I'm fine with things? I don't often buy stuff as I'm fairly self-sufficient, and when I want to sell stuff it tends to sell pretty fast. *shrug*0 -
Arizona_Willie✭✭✭No, I'd prefer a global AHIf you add up the numbers ... a fairly LARGE majority would prefer SOME form of Auction House.
Guild Stores are not satisfactory.If I wanted a Signature I would have a Signature --- but i don't want one so I don't have one.3 -
Tandor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No, I'd prefer factionwide AHsMornaBaine wrote: »I think a lot of people either did not read or did not understand the Regional option.
I don't think people failed to comprehend the regional option. You presumably suggest they did because they're not voting for it. The main reason for that, in my view, is not that they misunderstood it, but that they understood all too well that it retains the present system of having to join a guild in order to sell items, and that is one of the most unpopular aspects of the current trading system.
While I prefer a factional AH system from a lore/role-play polnt of view, a global AH would be a very close second. Either would be a massive improvement on the present system.
It was just a link before anyone voted for it and I can tell by the view count vs. vote count that not many followed it to read the description. Also, there is a part about allowing participation without guild membership in the full post.
Perhaps you should have briefly summarised the option yourself then, instead of complaining that people didn't read a long extract and then follow a link to a longer post so as to gain a full understanding of it !
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✭✭✭Yes, I'm happy with the system as it isWhile I prefer the system the way that it is, and I don't really want a global auction house, perhaps a Global Store wouldn't be a bad thing. They could be located one in each of the major cities of the Alliances (one in Wayrest for all of DC for example) and allow players to purchase anything that is available through all of the Guild Traders (cross-faction of course). Your guild would still need to have a Guild Trader, but the Global Stores would simply link all the items listed by Guild Traders in one place for convenience. You could not, however, list items for sale in the Global Store. You'd need to use the Guild Traders for that.
I think that would be a nice compromise. I hope ZOS considers it.Edited by Tabbycat on October 19, 2014 3:20PMFounder and Co-GM of The Psijic Order Guild (NA)
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Rodario✭✭✭✭✭No, I'd prefer Regional MarketsMornaBaine wrote: »I think a lot of people either did not read or did not understand the Regional option.
I don't think people failed to comprehend the regional option. You presumably suggest they did because they're not voting for it. The main reason for that, in my view, is not that they misunderstood it, but that they understood all too well that it retains the present system of having to join a guild in order to sell items, and that is one of the most unpopular aspects of the current trading system.
While I prefer a factional AH system from a lore/role-play polnt of view, a global AH would be a very close second. Either would be a massive improvement on the present system.
It was just a link before anyone voted for it and I can tell by the view count vs. vote count that not many followed it to read the description. Also, there is a part about allowing participation without guild membership in the full post.
Perhaps you should have briefly summarised the option yourself then, instead of complaining that people didn't read a long extract and then follow a link to a longer post so as to gain a full understanding of it !
Yes, I agree I fracked this part up. It's too late now. I don't do summaries very well anyway. I always end up with practically the whole thing again because I feel everything is too relevant to leave out...Victoria Lux - Templar Tank
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AlexDougherty✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭No, I'd prefer a global AH, but leave the guild trader system intact and make their fee lower than the AH'sMornaBaine wrote: »I think a lot of people either did not read or did not understand the Regional option.
I don't think people failed to comprehend the regional option. You presumably suggest they did because they're not voting for it. The main reason for that, in my view, is not that they misunderstood it, but that they understood all too well that it retains the present system of having to join a guild in order to sell items, and that is one of the most unpopular aspects of the current trading system.
While I prefer a factional AH system from a lore/role-play polnt of view, a global AH would be a very close second. Either would be a massive improvement on the present system.
It was just a link before anyone voted for it and I can tell by the view count vs. vote count that not many followed it to read the description. Also, there is a part about allowing participation without guild membership in the full post.
Perhaps you should have briefly summarised the option yourself then, instead of complaining that people didn't read a long extract and then follow a link to a longer post so as to gain a full understanding of it !
Yes, I agree I fracked this part up. It's too late now. I don't do summaries very well anyway. I always end up with practically the whole thing again because I feel everything is too relevant to leave out...
I always find myself writing a summary about three or four times.
First time I leave something out, second time I add something unnecessary, third time I usually get the content right but the style is slightly off, if I do a fourth version I get it right, sometimes I do a fifth or sixth version.
So you're not the only one to struggle with summaries.
Edit~ mispelt summaries lol.Edited by AlexDougherty on October 19, 2014 4:04PMPeople believe what they either want to be true or what they are afraid is true!
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Rodario✭✭✭✭✭No, I'd prefer Regional Markets
@magnusnet You can't have more than one "leave it as it is" option... If you prefer another system, it's automatically a "No".
Right now, the majority does not feel that the current system works very well for them.Victoria Lux - Templar Tank
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Drazhar14✭✭✭✭✭No, I'd prefer Regional MarketsRegional markets sound cool. Running around from kiosk to kiosk is so annoying. I don't even bother with buying or selling because of that. There is really no need to anyways, since as a crafter I am pretty self sustained. There could be no market place at all for all I care.0 -
driosketch✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Yes, I'm happy with the system as it is
So was this poll just to push the idea regional markets or...MornaBaine wrote: »I think a lot of people either did not read or did not understand the Regional option.
I don't think people failed to comprehend the regional option. You presumably suggest they did because they're not voting for it. The main reason for that, in my view, is not that they misunderstood it, but that they understood all too well that it retains the present system of having to join a guild in order to sell items, and that is one of the most unpopular aspects of the current trading system.
While I prefer a factional AH system from a lore/role-play polnt of view, a global AH would be a very close second. Either would be a massive improvement on the present system.
It was just a link before anyone voted for it and I can tell by the view count vs. vote count that not many followed it to read the description. Also, there is a part about allowing participation without guild membership in the full post.
Perhaps you should have briefly summarised the option yourself then, instead of complaining that people didn't read a long extract and then follow a link to a longer post so as to gain a full understanding of it !
Yes, I agree I fracked this part up. It's too late now. I don't do summaries very well anyway. I always end up with practically the whole thing again because I feel everything is too relevant to leave out...
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Rodario✭✭✭✭✭No, I'd prefer Regional Marketsdriosketch wrote: »
So was this poll just to push the idea regional markets or...MornaBaine wrote: »I think a lot of people either did not read or did not understand the Regional option.
I don't think people failed to comprehend the regional option. You presumably suggest they did because they're not voting for it. The main reason for that, in my view, is not that they misunderstood it, but that they understood all too well that it retains the present system of having to join a guild in order to sell items, and that is one of the most unpopular aspects of the current trading system.
While I prefer a factional AH system from a lore/role-play polnt of view, a global AH would be a very close second. Either would be a massive improvement on the present system.
It was just a link before anyone voted for it and I can tell by the view count vs. vote count that not many followed it to read the description. Also, there is a part about allowing participation without guild membership in the full post.
Perhaps you should have briefly summarised the option yourself then, instead of complaining that people didn't read a long extract and then follow a link to a longer post so as to gain a full understanding of it !
Yes, I agree I fracked this part up. It's too late now. I don't do summaries very well anyway. I always end up with practically the whole thing again because I feel everything is too relevant to leave out...
Not really. It was about a choice between all the trade systems I could think of and I felt that regional markets should also be represented. To avoid the poll text being filled by that suggestion I only linked to the post in the beginning. Of course I am in favor of that option, seeing as it's my idea. Victoria Lux - Templar Tank
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driosketch✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Yes, I'm happy with the system as it is
Well from the summary you added, you might be over-complicating it trying to wedge guild functionality into a regional system. That said, it would be preferable as my second choice over a global AH.driosketch wrote: »
So was this poll just to push the idea regional markets or...MornaBaine wrote: »I think a lot of people either did not read or did not understand the Regional option.
I don't think people failed to comprehend the regional option. You presumably suggest they did because they're not voting for it. The main reason for that, in my view, is not that they misunderstood it, but that they understood all too well that it retains the present system of having to join a guild in order to sell items, and that is one of the most unpopular aspects of the current trading system.
While I prefer a factional AH system from a lore/role-play polnt of view, a global AH would be a very close second. Either would be a massive improvement on the present system.
It was just a link before anyone voted for it and I can tell by the view count vs. vote count that not many followed it to read the description. Also, there is a part about allowing participation without guild membership in the full post.
Perhaps you should have briefly summarised the option yourself then, instead of complaining that people didn't read a long extract and then follow a link to a longer post so as to gain a full understanding of it !
Yes, I agree I fracked this part up. It's too late now. I don't do summaries very well anyway. I always end up with practically the whole thing again because I feel everything is too relevant to leave out...
Not really. It was about a choice between all the trade systems I could think of and I felt that regional markets should also be represented. To avoid the poll text being filled by that suggestion I only linked to the post in the beginning. Of course I am in favor of that option, seeing as it's my idea.
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KanedaSyndrome✭✭✭✭No, I'd prefer Regional MarketsVoted for regional markets. I believe this is the best of the listed options. The closer we can get to a system like the one in EVE the happier I'd be. Currently you're out of luck if none of your guilds got a guild trader.KanedaSyndrome's Suggestions For Game Improvements
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KanedaSyndrome✭✭✭✭No, I'd prefer Regional MarketsMornaBaine wrote: »I think a lot of people either did not read or did not understand the Regional option. A global AH is boring and penalizes crafters and pretty much destroys trade guilds, neither of which I want to see happen. The current system certainly isn't helping them either. The more complex but potentially rewarding system of the Regional option would be a boon to crafters and trade guilds while also opening up more goods to buyers in a far more convenient format. I understand what ZoS was trying to do and that they were shooting for more immersion, something I am typically all in favor of. But in a game where you already have a TON of time sinks, while trying to get to the upper Vet levels, having to "shop" in such an inconvenient and time consuming fashion is not something most players really want to do and I don't blame them.
Not to mention that having auction houses (not that they're really auction houses) wouldn't break lore at all.KanedaSyndrome's Suggestions For Game Improvements
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Gythral✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭No, I'd prefer factionwide AHsThe idea of trade guilds would probably work here if:
they were not limited to 500 accounts - 2-5k is a better figure (NOT happening due to the 'Hero' engine)
search worked reliably
search remembered the last settings (yes I know there's an add on but like most stuff ZOS needs to step up and make their idea work not us players)
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Tandor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No, I'd prefer factionwide AHsThe idea of trade guilds would probably work here if:
they were not limited to 500 accounts - 2-5k is a better figure (NOT happening due to the 'Hero' engine)
search worked reliably
search remembered the last settings (yes I know there's an add on but like most stuff ZOS needs to step up and make their idea work not us players)
No trading system can really work if it requires guild membership in order to participate in it. A public trading system should be just that, public, and no economy is really going to viable if its trading system is a restrictive private enterprise that is not open to the public.2 -
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✭✭Yes, I'm happy with the system as it is
@magnusnet You can't have more than one "leave it as it is" option... If you prefer another system, it's automatically a "No".
Right now, the majority does not feel that the current system works very well for them.
The majority here doesn't represent anything, and the current system has the most supporters if you really want to play with numbers, so the majority is for the current system actually.
That's what happens when you dilute the "No" answers.
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Zed✭✭✭Yes, I'm happy with the system as it isYes, more or less. I'd like there to be a chat channel outside of /zone used for trading but I'm not disappointed with the current system.Spend spend spend! 'Cause you don't know any better.0
