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Let's keep ESO free from pop-culture corruption!
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✭✭✭✭✭While I do not want to see real world holidays I DO want to see Lore-based holidays start making an appearance. They can add variety and something fun and new to do and can hold a lot of good surprises. I totally want ESO to include them. But no Santa hats please!PAWS (Positively Against Wrip-off Stuff) - Say No to Crown Crates!3 -
Elridge✭✭✭MornaBaine wrote: »While I do not want to see real world holidays I DO want to see Lore-based holidays start making an appearance. They can add variety and something fun and new to do and can hold a lot of good surprises. I totally want ESO to include them. But no Santa hats please!
agreed, was a bit sad when witches' festival came around a couple days ago with nothing going on
hahahamriguy1981 wrote: »I met a nord one time who was in a hot spring and he wanted me to go get him some "bath salts". A quest..... so I guess u know what happens. This may be a pop culture refrence.....(drugs)? Read spoiler to find out what hapeens in quest.you go get these bath salts from someone who took them and guess what? She a zombie now. U kill her. Then u give them to him,(optiinal)....( I did) )and him and his friends die.
I did that quest recently and laughed pretty damn hard, there's no way that wasn't a reference... they could have chosen anything, but they chose bath salts lol.Edited by Elridge on October 16, 2014 4:14PMAccount Name:@Elridge
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GoatKnuckle✭✭✭j.murro2ub17_ESO wrote: »Christmas and Easter are not pop culture.
It's not so much that the holidays are in and of themselves pop culture, but the way we celebrate certainly is. Also, not everyone is Christian, so having such an in game holiday can be a real nuisance to those of other faiths. Much better to have lore based holidays.
I can think of a bigger nuisance.1 -
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✭✭GoatKnuckle wrote: »j.murro2ub17_ESO wrote: »Christmas and Easter are not pop culture.
It's not so much that the holidays are in and of themselves pop culture, but the way we celebrate certainly is. Also, not everyone is Christian, so having such an in game holiday can be a real nuisance to those of other faiths. Much better to have lore based holidays.
I can think of a bigger nuisance.
So can I.This one has an eloquent and well thought out response to tha... Ooh sweetroll!1 -
GoatKnuckle✭✭✭Thank you Zenimax for not allowing ESO to be infected and dumbed down by the corruption of pop cultures.
Too late. Gay marriage and numerous other pop-culture references are already in the game.
But yes, the Goat agrees with your basic premise. Blatant references can be tacky and a bit jarring to immersion and for the most part are not congruent with the tone of this game.
I think they are okay if they are done with tact and are tied someway to the lore.
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KingRebz✭✭✭Thank you Zenimax for not allowing ESO to be infected and dumbed down by the corruption of pop culture including- Hollidays such as Easter, Thanksgiving, Halloween and Christmas.
- Industrial technology such as guns, motorcycles, helicopters and flying ships of any kind.
Please keep ESO pop-culture free!
Edit: as a roleplayer who leads an rp guild, I really appreciate the lack of pop culture and the purity of the lore in ESO, as does everyone in my guild. We don't need ESO to celebrate earth holidays.
Whats wrong with having holidays? Thats not Pop. Youre just dull and boring. There is lore in ESO that celebrates xmas and easter but not necessarily in the exact terms. When runescape used to have the holiday events EVERYBODY had fun, everybody had specific special quests they did with their friends and all celebrated the holiday together.
Edited by KingRebz on October 16, 2014 6:36PMV14 Sorceror [Ebonheart]3 -
jelliedsoup✭✭✭✭✭Why is the concept of holidays OK, but not particular holidays?
Try noy to pretend you have a level of separation from popular culture, this game is a result of it.Edited by jelliedsoup on October 16, 2014 7:00PMwww.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=Ks8_KGHqmO41 -
blackweb✭✭✭✭j.murro2ub17_ESO wrote: »Christmas and Easter are not pop culture.
Celebrating the birth and resurrection of Jesus Christ are not pop culture. Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny are most definitely pop culture.
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GoatKnuckle✭✭✭j.murro2ub17_ESO wrote: »Christmas and Easter are not pop culture.
Celebrating the birth and resurrection of Jesus Christ are not pop culture. Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny are most definitely pop culture.
Well, I guess we're going to have to define pop-culture to further this discussion. LOLs.
To be fair (and not that I care about fairness), both Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny are a part of the pop culture, but not entirely in the meaning that I think you give them.
They are not commercial constructs created out of thin air. Both have historical contexts - both literally and figuratively. They are figures, or concepts, that have been with us for a very, very, very, very, long time.
Santa Claus is loosely based upon an actual person - Saint Nicholas and has significance in many cultures (in particular - the Germans and the Dutch). In fact, a lot of our "modern" traditions/folklore/etc. concerning Christmas come from the Germans. Santa Claus/Kris Kringle/Saint Nick and the Christmas Tree are just a couple.
The Bunny (rabbit or hare), since antiquity has been renowned as a symbol for fertility or even a trickster in some cultures. Fertility ... springtime ... new life .... trickster .... hiding eggs (also a symbol of fertility) .... one can start to see the connection.
My point is why would Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny be pop culture, but celebrating the birth and resurrection of JC not?
They are all still part of the popular culture, despite attempts in the past few decades to foolishly eradicate them.1 -
KingRebz✭✭✭I dont care tbh, funny thing everybody in the Xmas holidays will be wishing everybody a happy xmas..I will be one of them. I will make all my outfits red and white for santa and go find the OP and give him a gift. Lol.V14 Sorceror [Ebonheart]2
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Rhaegon✭✭I don't see a problem with events. There are holidays in Tamriel's calendar, so an event about them would be nice. Also they could make a Halloween or Christmas event without the Halloween and Christmas just by using imagination to create the event, making quests related to it. Such as a ghost problem at halloween or something with gifts for Christmas.1 -
Drazhar14✭✭✭✭✭Thank you Zenimax for not allowing ESO to be infected and dumbed down by the corruption of pop culture including- Hollidays such as Easter, Thanksgiving, Halloween and Christmas.
How dare you compare Christmas to Justin Beiber! Pop culture is things like Gangnam Style, not holidays. Thanksgiving is for being grateful for the food we are fortunate enough to have with. Christmans is for being selfless and giving. Pop culture is all about the self, mindless consumption, and instant pleasure. It's the exact opposite of holidays.
Anyways, yes I am glad there is no pop culture in ESO.4 -
HungerCity✭✭KhajitFurTrader wrote: »What about that Daggerfall Covenant guard who keeps on saying: "I like to crush skulls and eat sweetrolls... and I'm all out of sweetrolls."? If that isn't a reference to the Duke and his bubblegum-chewing, arse-prodding attitude I don't know.
It's from the john carpenter movie they live
Duke nukem got it from their
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✭GoatKnuckle wrote: »Too late. Gay marriage and numerous other pop-culture references are already in the game.
Gay marriage is not a pop culture reference. It is a human rights/civil rights issue in some parts of the world still. I'm pretty sure gay relationships occurred all throughout history and especially in the Greco-Roman world upon which the Imperial culture is based. Classical culture =/= pop culture.
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ThisOnePosts✭✭✭✭✭How does a festival affect your roleplay exactly?
This. Can't you just RP that it isn't happening? If there is no event, all non-RPers should go to RP heavy areas and bunny hop up and down for hours. That's about the equal to this unnecessarily lame thread 'blackweb'.
Edited by ThisOnePosts on October 17, 2014 6:16AM2 -
Sarenia✭✭✭✭✭ViciousWayz wrote: »
It's less about RP, and more about a nuisance.
There's nothing like going to play a gritty fantasy setting game based on a certain theme (in this case TES), and... Oh, hey, there's Santa Claus and his reindeer! Oh, now i get a quest to bake gingerbread men cookies for a candycane sword!
There seem to be these two camps of "Anti-immersion" and "RP/Immersion" that everyone gets bundled into, because it's too darn hard for some people to realize that many players don't care about RP or immersion -- what they really want is lore accuracy and lack of blatant real world religious and cultural influences. If there is a festival, they just want it to be canon to TES, and not a spin-off of Santa Claus and his merry band of gnomes.
Lets put it this way, if you're going to add judeo-christian holidays like Christmas and Easter, then you'd better add holidays for every other culture that plays the game too.
But that sure would lead to a lot of pointless, off-topic content in the game, right?
Personally, I'd rather the devs focus on The Elder Scrolls Online, than wasting time sculpting and texturing meshes for scarecrow costumes and candycane swords, and scripting quests to find Easter eggs.Edited by Sarenia on October 17, 2014 10:10AM[beta_group_85b_9]6 -
GoatKnuckle✭✭✭GoatKnuckle wrote: »Too late. Gay marriage and numerous other pop-culture references are already in the game.
Gay marriage is not a pop culture reference. It is a human rights/civil rights issue in some parts of the world still. I'm pretty sure gay relationships occurred all throughout history and especially in the Greco-Roman world upon which the Imperial culture is based. Classical culture =/= pop culture.
Ah, crap. You got me.
I totally forgot about the heaps of history books in my library mentioning gay marriage back in antiquity or in any other period of history besides this one. Silly me.
Words have meanings. Fortunately, help is on the way. Besides dabbling in homosexual activities now and again throughout history, humans have also been doing far more interesting and beneficial things with their time. For instance, we created these things called dictionaries. I suggest you acquaint yourself with one.
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ThisOnePosts✭✭✭✭✭ViciousWayz wrote: »
It's less about RP, and more about a nuisance.
There's nothing like going to play a gritty fantasy setting game based on a certain theme (in this case TES), and... Oh, hey, there's Santa Claus and his reindeer! Oh, now i get a quest to bake gingerbread men cookies for a candycane sword!
There seem to be these two camps of "Anti-immersion" and "RP/Immersion" that everyone gets bundled into, because it's too darn hard for some people to realize that many players don't care about RP or immersion -- what they really want is lore accuracy and lack of blatant real world religious and cultural influences. If there is a festival, they just want it to be canon to TES, and not a spin-off of Santa Claus and his merry band of gnomes.
Lets put it this way, if you're going to add judeo-christian holidays like Christmas and Easter, then you'd better add holidays for every other culture that plays the game too.
But that sure would lead to a lot of pointless, off-topic content in the game, right?
Personally, I'd rather the devs focus on The Elder Scrolls Online, than wasting time sculpting and texturing meshes for scarecrow costumes and candycane swords, and scripting quests to find Easter eggs.
People don't care about your RP just as much as you don't care about other's enjoyment. That is why it's nice to see Ice Wraiths everywhere, people jumping around and doing silly things, etc.... because it takes those who take the game too seriously and seem to forget it's a video game, and crawls under your skin.
You mention religion one too many times between a few posts of yours and I'm seeing a pattern.
People are looking for an event, during a time that most MMOs want events. If you need to make believe you are entirely someone else to have fun -- and that it be so believable you start to believe it yourself, I don't think it's a video game that you need........... I'll just leave it at that.
There are many things in this game that go against TES lore. Get over it. Ice Wraith pets are just the beginning.... in fact I will be going to stand in the middle of the hot scorching desert with my never-melting Ice Wraith when I get in game later just as a tip of the hat to you.
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✭Luckily Halloween won't be getting an event since it isn't a Tamrielic holiday. Hopefully Christmas and the others follow suit. I also hope Tamrielic holidays eventually do make it in game with festivals, bard songs, lore events and minigames.
I'd much rather see more of the cultures of Tamriel than see yet another MMO shoehorn real world culture in.3 -
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So... Telephones, computers, credit cards and meningococcal vaccines are pop culture as well?GoatKnuckle wrote: »
I totally forgot about the heaps of history books in my library mentioning gay marriage back in antiquity or in any other period of history besides this one. Silly me.GoatKnuckle wrote: »Too late. Gay marriage and numerous other pop-culture references are already in the game.
Gay marriage is not a pop culture reference. It is a human rights/civil rights issue in some parts of the world still. I'm pretty sure gay relationships occurred all throughout history and especially in the Greco-Roman world upon which the Imperial culture is based. Classical culture =/= pop culture.Edited by Rosveen on October 17, 2014 2:34PM3 -
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So... Telephones, computers, credit cards and meningococcal vaccines are pop culture as well?GoatKnuckle wrote: »
I totally forgot about the heaps of history books in my library mentioning gay marriage back in antiquity or in any other period of history besides this one. Silly me.GoatKnuckle wrote: »Too late. Gay marriage and numerous other pop-culture references are already in the game.
Gay marriage is not a pop culture reference. It is a human rights/civil rights issue in some parts of the world still. I'm pretty sure gay relationships occurred all throughout history and especially in the Greco-Roman world upon which the Imperial culture is based. Classical culture =/= pop culture.
Is this really so hard for you? Seriously?
Popular culture (often short "Pop culture") is the entirety of ideas, perspectives, attitudes, memes,[1] images, and other phenomena that are within the mainstream of a given culture, especially Western culture of the early to mid 20th century and the emerging global mainstream of the late 20th and early 21st century. Heavily influenced by mass media, this collection of ideas permeates the everyday lives of the society.2 -
michaelb14a_ESO2✭✭✭✭Arent these "RP'ers" the same people I walk in on in some super out of the way cabin or house in the middle of nowhere basically having cyber?1 -
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✭GoatKnuckle wrote: »GoatKnuckle wrote: »Too late. Gay marriage and numerous other pop-culture references are already in the game.
Gay marriage is not a pop culture reference. It is a human rights/civil rights issue in some parts of the world still. I'm pretty sure gay relationships occurred all throughout history and especially in the Greco-Roman world upon which the Imperial culture is based. Classical culture =/= pop culture.
Ah, crap. You got me.
I totally forgot about the heaps of history books in my library mentioning gay marriage back in antiquity or in any other period of history besides this one. Silly me.
Words have meanings. Fortunately, help is on the way. Besides dabbling in homosexual activities now and again throughout history, humans have also been doing far more interesting and beneficial things with their time. For instance, we created these things called dictionaries. I suggest you acquaint yourself with one.
Love,
The Goat
I doubt most libraries have more than a handful of books on such an obscure topic, but this is the information age so if you want to find out more about it just google it. The wikipedia article that comes up first along with the references at the bottom are a good place to start if you are really into the topic.
I use a dictionary, as well as a medical dictionary quite regularly. I do not think I misused, nor misunderstood any words in the post. Is there a particular word you are suggesting I should look up?3 -
ExiledKhallisi✭✭✭✭✭Thank you Zenimax for not allowing ESO to be infected and dumbed down by the corruption of pop culture including- Hollidays such as Easter, Thanksgiving, Halloween and Christmas.
- Industrial technology such as guns, motorcycles, helicopters and flying ships of any kind.
Please keep ESO pop-culture free!
Edit: as a roleplayer who leads an rp guild, I really appreciate the lack of pop culture and the purity of the lore in ESO, as does everyone in my guild. We don't need ESO to celebrate earth holidays.
If you are referring to wow with your supposed "pop culture" the helicopters and guns and flying ships are part of Warcraft lore.
They are not part of ES lore.
And everyone loves holidays except for some religions...lucky for them holiday events in most mmorpgs are not forced on anyone.>>>>>>>>(DC)Guild Master of Biestas 250+ Active Members<<<<<<<<||||||Vr14 Sorc: Darkened Soul vr14 Templar: Tiffaney||||||“Let your plans be dark and impenetrable as night, and when you move, fall like a thunderbolt.”
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It's less about RP, and more about a nuisance.
There's nothing like going to play a gritty fantasy setting game based on a certain theme (in this case TES), and... Oh, hey, there's Santa Claus and his reindeer! Oh, now i get a quest to bake gingerbread men cookies for a candycane sword!
There seem to be these two camps of "Anti-immersion" and "RP/Immersion" that everyone gets bundled into, because it's too darn hard for some people to realize that many players don't care about RP or immersion -- what they really want is lore accuracy and lack of blatant real world religious and cultural influences. If there is a festival, they just want it to be canon to TES, and not a spin-off of Santa Claus and his merry band of gnomes.
Lets put it this way, if you're going to add judeo-christian holidays like Christmas and Easter, then you'd better add holidays for every other culture that plays the game too.
But that sure would lead to a lot of pointless, off-topic content in the game, right?
Personally, I'd rather the devs focus on The Elder Scrolls Online, than wasting time sculpting and texturing meshes for scarecrow costumes and candycane swords, and scripting quests to find Easter eggs.
Well said Sarenia. I could not have said it better myself
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