Dude- U go away.

There are traditions that bond us as people across continents and cultures. It's OK for Zeni and the Community to share that here if they want. Tie it into lore friendly stuff if you want but I wouldn't be upset to see Saint Nick passing out toys and lumps of coal.

I say bring it on and let folks have their fun.

There are so many TES holidays that ZOS could match some of them up to real holidays without breaking immersion.

http://www.imperial-library.info/content/calendar-tamriel

I, for one, would not mind the inclusion of:

New Life Festival - 25th Evening Star (25th December)

The New Life festival comes a few days early in Wayrest with Saturalia, traditionally held on the 25th of Evening Star. Originally a holiday for a long forgotten god of debauchery, it has become a time of gift giving, parties, and parading. Visitors are encouraged to participate.

My religious feelings, weak as they may be, are somewhat offended by the fact that you describe Christmas and Easter as a pop culture infection.

I understand why you don't want references to real world holidays, and I agree completely. I also understand that some people don't like science fiction in their fantasy (even though TES already is a delightful blend of both, you just haven't dug deep enough). But neither has anything to do with dumbing the game down, really.

Tamriel offers plenty of opportunities for festivals and I look forward to them. Just as many groups on earth celebrate their festivities around the same times each year I do not have a problem Amalexia's birthday bash or the Feast of Arkay happening around these same times though.

Anything that makes me laugh and keeps the game from going stale is fine by me. It shouldn't drag out though. 1 day or maybe a weekend max. Of course, I don't take the game as seriously as others do.

Mondo wrote: »

Robocles wrote: »

How does a festival affect your roleplay exactly?

Tamriel =/= Earth thats why. If you want that kind of stupid crap you have to play stuff like wow

But as many others have already explained, most real world holidays already have equivalents in the TES lore. so what you are really saying is Tamriel =/= Tamriel...

Shunravi wrote: »

j.murro2ub17_ESO wrote: »

Christmas and Easter are not pop culture.

It's not so much that the holidays are in and of themselves pop culture, but the way we celebrate certainly is. Also, not everyone is Christian, so having such an in game holiday can be a real nuisance to those of other faiths. Much better to have lore based holidays.

Right, because certain other aspects aren't currently forced on us in game in efforts to be politically correct now...

Guilds catering to certain groups (as non-lore related as it gets), etc...

Real world crap should be left out of the game entirely, but since it isn't, shouldn't get to pick and choose what is seen and what it not, unless it's a checkbox under the settings.

As in real life, you don't have to agree, and you certainly are not required to participate, whichever way your beliefs sway.

Rosveen wrote: »

My religious feelings, weak as they may be, are somewhat offended by the fact that you describe Christmas and Easter as a pop culture infection.

fromtesonlineb16_ESO wrote: »

I'm totally not religious and despise most religions .. but I find your reference to Christmas as 'pop culture' somewhat disturbing.

I would not get too upset about this. The OP is correct in referring to the pop culture aspect of them.

If Zenimax did a Christmas holiday, we know that it would not be a Christian celebration of the birth of Christ. What we would get would be Elves (not High, of course) dressed in red and white costumes with green shoes. We would get decorated pine trees. We would get lights hanging from every building. We would get presents (ooh, presents) delivered by some fat nord.

For Easter we would get bunnies and eggs with pastels everywhere, not a celebration of the resurrection of Christ.

It is these pop culture items that are within the realm of possibility. These are things that I don't want to see in the game, even disguised as lore friendly and labeled with Tamrielic names.

There is absolutely no chance that they would do a Christian holiday in the game. There is no point in getting worried about that.

We can have fun in the game celebrating holiday events without having to limit ourselves to common holidays celebrated around the world disguised as lore.

Robocles wrote: »

AlexDougherty wrote: »

Robocles wrote: »

How does a festival affect your roleplay exactly?

Um, Roleplay means playing a role, which means immersion, which real world events interfere with.

So a better question would be how does a festival not affect roleplay?

You ignore it.

That's not a better question, that's being too lazy to create a real answer.

I did create a real answer, I just kept it short to avoid a long boring description of what role-playing means.

Roleplaying means getting your head into the character, which means that if the festival is an imitation of a real world festival you are aware of it, which interferes with roleplaying.

Just look at the Star Wars Life Day in SWTOR if you don't believe me, nobody says it's just a wookie holiday, they might refer to it, but it's clearly Christmas to everyone.

Oh and I get there is a difference between playing the game and role-playing, but the awareness that it's just Blah Blah day in disguise does ruin it.

And that's not counting that it alienates any section of your fan base who doesn't have that day. For example, as a non-American I really don't appreciate Independence Day, which USA forgets is them only.

Shunravi wrote: »

As to your 'politically correct' statement... I always find it rather funny how people use that as an argument. Especially when looking at history and how subtly and drastically it can shift. (Slavery and women's rights to name two from modern times.) There are and have been cultures where what you are referring to has not been ostracized. Why should they restrict or allow such things from their game simply for the sake of 'political correctness.' Because it's not in line with your beliefs? As you put it so eloquently;

As in real life, you don't have to agree, and you certainly are not required to participate, whichever way your beliefs sway.

We are not in disagreement as much as you may think.

PC is a term derived from individuals with much greater delicate sensibilities than I. I'd dare say it's a pop-culture term in itself, created to cover the idea of forced acceptance of one idea while absolutely disallowing another.

It's self-contradictory in nature, more often than not.

While not specifying any one thing in particular (fill in the blank with one of a hundred different topics and it still applies), my point is twofold:

1. It needs to be an all or nothing proposition, if part of something is let in, expect it all to be let in.
2. It's a fantasy world. Let it be just that. Most of us come here to get away from the miscellaneous BS IRL has to offer. Keep it separate, no IRL references of any kind required and it is allowed to be what the designers wish it to be, flaws and all. At that point, if you don't like it, don't play.

PC is an absolute joke because it is never absolute. Exactly why I'm saying leave it out - any of it that doesn't fit ESO's world.

Same goes for political, gender, religious, fill in the blank as you please. It's not intended to be a reflection of the real world - it's meant to be a world in its own right.

You wish them to keep certain religious holidays out because it may not be 'in line with your beliefs!?'

Pick a side, stick with it.

EDIT: List spacing messed up.

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

Shunravi wrote: »

As to your 'politically correct' statement... I always find it rather funny how people use that as an argument. Especially when looking at history and how subtly and drastically it can shift. (Slavery and women's rights to name two from modern times.) There are and have been cultures where what you are referring to has not been ostracized. Why should they restrict or allow such things from their game simply for the sake of 'political correctness.' Because it's not in line with your beliefs? As you put it so eloquently;

As in real life, you don't have to agree, and you certainly are not required to participate, whichever way your beliefs sway.

We are not in disagreement as much as you may think.

PC is a term derived from individuals with much greater delicate sensibilities than I. I'd dare say it's a pop-culture term in itself, created to cover the idea of forced acceptance of one idea while absolutely disallowing another.

It's self-contradictory in nature, more often than not.

While not specifying any one thing in particular (fill in the blank with one of a hundred different topics and it still applies), my point is twofold:

1. It needs to be an all or nothing proposition, if part of something is let in, expect it all to be let in.
2. It's a fantasy world. Let it be just that. Most of us come here to get away from the miscellaneous BS IRL has to offer. Keep it separate, no IRL references of any kind required and it is allowed to be what the designers wish it to be, flaws and all. At that point, if you don't like it, don't play.

PC is an absolute joke because it is never absolute. Exactly why I'm saying leave it out - any of it that doesn't fit ESO's world.

Same goes for political, gender, religious, fill in the blank as you please. It's not intended to be a reflection of the real world - it's meant to be a world in its own right.

You wish them to keep certain religious holidays out because it may not be 'in line with your beliefs!?'

Pick a side, stick with it.

EDIT: List spacing messed up.

I don't think we are in complete disagreement either. And I have chosen a side, and I am sticking to it. Maybe you just don't understand what side that is. But, we may end up arguing in a circle here...

But you make some arguments I find... Contradictory.

forced acceptance of one idea while absolutely disallowing another

This is the point I think we agree on the most. It is also the very reason that I am arguing what I am.

It needs to be an all or nothing proposition, if part of something is let in, expect it all to be let in.

Does it? Things are never that black and white. But along that same vein, when companies let in American Christian celebrations, they seldom include others. So it's not really all or nothing in those cases. It becomes very exclusive to that tradition. Which is why I support tamrielic holidays without Santa and Easter eggs.

It's a fantasy world. Let it be just that. Most of us come here to get away from the miscellaneous BS IRL has to offer. Keep it separate, no IRL references of any kind required and it is allowed to be what the designers wish it to be, flaws and all. At that point, if you don't like it, don't play.

Yes, I agree, no irl references. Like Santa. Or colored eggs. Or carved jack-o-lanterns. Things like same sex couples have always been a part of TES (subtle though they may be.) Just as they have always been in the real world despite various.... organization's... efforts to stifle them. Let get away from real world bias and enjoy the game. The game the designers wish it to be, flaws and all.

PC is an absolute joke because it is never absolute. Exactly why I'm saying leave it out - any of it that doesn't fit ESO's world.

I believe the devs have made it quite clear what does and doesn't fit in ESO's world. They made those calls, and created the world they envisioned.

It's not intended to be a reflection of the real world - it's meant to be a world in its own right.

Then let it. Let it be free of irl things like Christian (or any other irl tradition) holidays. Let the people portrayed do and think what their creators designed them to.

You wish them to keep certain religious holidays out because it may not be 'in line with your beliefs!?'

I have not told you what I believe, save for the belief that ZOS should not show favoritism to any one belief or culture except the one they created. They made a world. It has its own customs. Stick to those.

blackweb wrote: »

Thank you Zenimax for not allowing ESO to be infected and dumbed down by the corruption of pop culture including

• Hollidays such as Easter, Thanksgiving, Halloween and Christmas.
• Industrial technology such as guns, motorcycles, helicopters and flying ships of any kind.

Please keep ESO pop-culture free!

Edit: as a roleplayer who leads an rp guild, I really appreciate the lack of pop culture and the purity of the lore in ESO, as does everyone in my guild. We don't need ESO to celebrate earth holidays.

Oh *** off.

Holiday even would be nice but not the real ones and they must fit the lore. Maybe we could have Day of Akatosh in mid summer instead of xmas or Day of Julianos instead of halloween. And yes there are dwemer airships but thread author meant real planes, please dont mix the two.