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So, I came back after a couple months hiatus, and 2H is still disgustingly weak.

  • Wicked_Wolf
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    Azzuria wrote: »
    Not sure what class OP is playing.

    My heavy-armor wearing Nord DK uses only 2-handers ( sword for stuff wut bleeds, axe for stuff wut don't, and daedra ) and last night in Eastmarch I was tearing through groups of 3 and 4, ar 3-4 levels above me, like hot snot through cheap kleenex. Bosses, too. If anything, it seems her DPS has been -boosted- with 1.4.3.

    Would you mind posting some details about your build/setup? I want to play a heavy armor 2h nord, but haven't been able to make it work at all. Would appreciate some tips if possible.
  • Sablemane
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    Even before 1.4 two handlers were fine for me. High burst, some survivability, AOE dot....I love it for PvE. These gripes are clearly based on someone getting stomped in PvP which I have only experienced in this game briefly. I am a long time PvP'er and would rather allow the game to mature, before stepping into that mess. So In the case of PvP, maybe the OP has some valid points, but most likely this is a result of resource imbalances and/or poor skill management.
  • Jade1986
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    Sablemane wrote: »
    Even before 1.4 two handlers were fine for me. High burst, some survivability, AOE dot....I love it for PvE. These gripes are clearly based on someone getting stomped in PvP which I have only experienced in this game briefly. I am a long time PvP'er and would rather allow the game to mature, before stepping into that mess. So In the case of PvP, maybe the OP has some valid points, but most likely this is a result of resource imbalances and/or poor skill management.
    Um, no, I don't play pvp, because I hear it is still a lag fest and a mess. I hear they are making it so hitting a target adds stamina to your bar, which makes zero sense, instead a simple fix would make it so stamina attacks are stronger the more you invest into stamina. Its not rocket science.

  • Surfinginhawaii
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    Azzuria wrote: »
    Not sure what class OP is playing.

    My heavy-armor wearing Nord DK uses only 2-handers ( sword for stuff wut bleeds, axe for stuff wut don't, and daedra ) and last night in Eastmarch I was tearing through groups of 3 and 4, ar 3-4 levels above me, like hot snot through cheap kleenex. Bosses, too. If anything, it seems her DPS has been -boosted- with 1.4.3.

    Would you mind posting some details about your build/setup? I want to play a heavy armor 2h nord, but haven't been able to make it work at all. Would appreciate some tips if possible.

    I would also like to please see your build/setup and maybe then I can go back to doing two-hander.
  • smeeprocketnub19_ESO
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    Gillysan wrote: »
    In your post, it's hidden until moused over, little cog pops up in top right corner area.

    Also, I only use FF so not sure if IE11 is having troubles.

    lol the 90s called, they want their browser back.
    Dear Sister, I do not spread rumors, I create them.
  • Azzuria
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    Azzuria wrote: »
    Not sure what class OP is playing.

    My heavy-armor wearing Nord DK uses only 2-handers ( sword for stuff wut bleeds, axe for stuff wut don't, and daedra ) and last night in Eastmarch I was tearing through groups of 3 and 4, ar 3-4 levels above me, like hot snot through cheap kleenex. Bosses, too. If anything, it seems her DPS has been -boosted- with 1.4.3.

    Would you mind posting some details about your build/setup? I want to play a heavy armor 2h nord, but haven't been able to make it work at all. Would appreciate some tips if possible.

    I would also like to please see your build/setup and maybe then I can go back to doing two-hander.

    I'll try to post it when I get home from work. Honestly, theory-craft is not my strong suit. Basically, it's all about the self-heal passive based on fire damage... and then setting every mob on fire.

    ehh-hehehe... firrrre.... firrre.
    Brunhilda Icehammer - Nord Dragonknight, 'Smith & Enchantress 'What is 'ranged? I need to hit something!!'
    Laehl Direthorn - Bosmer Nightblade, Purveyor of fine Clothes, Bows and Staves
    Reeza gra-Zuni - Orc Templar 'War Shaman' and Apothecary
    Noemi Snowpaw - Kajiit Dragon Knight - I laugh... or I'd have to kill you.
    Kitera Dreamon - Breton of The Dominion: Because those Daggers don't appreciate a great Mage.
    Lysara Shadowcroft - Dunmer Bloodmage: This will only hurt a lot.
  • smeeprocketnub19_ESO
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    Azzuria wrote: »
    Azzuria wrote: »
    Not sure what class OP is playing.

    My heavy-armor wearing Nord DK uses only 2-handers ( sword for stuff wut bleeds, axe for stuff wut don't, and daedra ) and last night in Eastmarch I was tearing through groups of 3 and 4, ar 3-4 levels above me, like hot snot through cheap kleenex. Bosses, too. If anything, it seems her DPS has been -boosted- with 1.4.3.

    Would you mind posting some details about your build/setup? I want to play a heavy armor 2h nord, but haven't been able to make it work at all. Would appreciate some tips if possible.

    I would also like to please see your build/setup and maybe then I can go back to doing two-hander.

    I'll try to post it when I get home from work. Honestly, theory-craft is not my strong suit. Basically, it's all about the self-heal passive based on fire damage... and then setting every mob on fire.

    ehh-hehehe... firrrre.... firrre.

    There is nothing in this game that can't be solved by the liberal application of fire.
    Dear Sister, I do not spread rumors, I create them.
  • glitchmaster999
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    laced wrote: »
    laced wrote: »
    Does anyone know if they are EVER going to make it viable to be a pure melee stamina based character? I came back after a hiatus because I was sick of how underpowered pure melee builds are, only to find they are still ridiculously underpowered.....

    Haven't read other comments yet but I use two hander/dual wield on my nightblade, the sneak attack with wrecking blow is about 5k in PVE but you can also get about 800-900 dps with two handed single targe by heavy attack canceling wrecking blow. I'm not saying it isn't weak because it is missing a lot but there are work arounds, I use it in trials for the execute.
    the thing is, we shouldn't have to use work arounds. As someone posted before heavy armor warriors are a staple of fantasy games, and forcing me to use medium armor or MAGIC like others are suggesting is not playing the game like I want to play, its playing it like they want me to play. You know, the whole selling point of this game.

    I completelly agree lol, im not saying its ok, im as upset about the state as anyone but just saying there are ways to have fun with a two hander even if it isn't perfect, I would love to roll around with a two hander on my templar but it is just not good enough to do so.
  • Azzuria
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    Azzuria wrote: »
    Azzuria wrote: »
    Not sure what class OP is playing.

    My heavy-armor wearing Nord DK uses only 2-handers ( sword for stuff wut bleeds, axe for stuff wut don't, and daedra ) and last night in Eastmarch I was tearing through groups of 3 and 4, ar 3-4 levels above me, like hot snot through cheap kleenex. Bosses, too. If anything, it seems her DPS has been -boosted- with 1.4.3.

    Would you mind posting some details about your build/setup? I want to play a heavy armor 2h nord, but haven't been able to make it work at all. Would appreciate some tips if possible.

    I would also like to please see your build/setup and maybe then I can go back to doing two-hander.

    I'll try to post it when I get home from work. Honestly, theory-craft is not my strong suit. Basically, it's all about the self-heal passive based on fire damage... and then setting every mob on fire.

    ehh-hehehe... firrrre.... firrre.

    There is nothing in this game that can't be solved by the liberal application of fire.

    Fireball: Because your first reaction to every problem should be "Kill it with fire!!"
    Brunhilda Icehammer - Nord Dragonknight, 'Smith & Enchantress 'What is 'ranged? I need to hit something!!'
    Laehl Direthorn - Bosmer Nightblade, Purveyor of fine Clothes, Bows and Staves
    Reeza gra-Zuni - Orc Templar 'War Shaman' and Apothecary
    Noemi Snowpaw - Kajiit Dragon Knight - I laugh... or I'd have to kill you.
    Kitera Dreamon - Breton of The Dominion: Because those Daggers don't appreciate a great Mage.
    Lysara Shadowcroft - Dunmer Bloodmage: This will only hurt a lot.
  • GoatKnuckle
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    Gillysan wrote: »
    In your post, it's hidden until moused over, little cog pops up in top right corner area.

    Also, I only use FF so not sure if IE11 is having troubles.

    lol the 90s called, they want their browser back.

    You must be thinking of Netscape Navigator. But you tried ... I guess. One gold star for one special snowflake.
  • smeeprocketnub19_ESO
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    Gillysan wrote: »
    In your post, it's hidden until moused over, little cog pops up in top right corner area.

    Also, I only use FF so not sure if IE11 is having troubles.

    lol the 90s called, they want their browser back.

    You must be thinking of Netscape Navigator. But you tried ... I guess. One gold star for one special snowflake.

    Sorry, but Internet Explorer... maybe early 2000s. I managed to move my parents away from that browser about five years ago, and they aren't exactly computer literate.
    Dear Sister, I do not spread rumors, I create them.
  • Wicked_Wolf
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    Azzuria wrote: »
    Azzuria wrote: »
    Not sure what class OP is playing.

    My heavy-armor wearing Nord DK uses only 2-handers ( sword for stuff wut bleeds, axe for stuff wut don't, and daedra ) and last night in Eastmarch I was tearing through groups of 3 and 4, ar 3-4 levels above me, like hot snot through cheap kleenex. Bosses, too. If anything, it seems her DPS has been -boosted- with 1.4.3.

    Would you mind posting some details about your build/setup? I want to play a heavy armor 2h nord, but haven't been able to make it work at all. Would appreciate some tips if possible.

    I would also like to please see your build/setup and maybe then I can go back to doing two-hander.

    I'll try to post it when I get home from work. Honestly, theory-craft is not my strong suit. Basically, it's all about the self-heal passive based on fire damage... and then setting every mob on fire.

    ehh-hehehe... firrrre.... firrre.

    lol points for the B&B reference. Good old days.

    But yeah, I don't even care if its all min max. Just want to see what people are using that works. This is my favorite playstyle across all MMO's and TES games. So disappointed I haven't been able to make one work. So, yeah would love to see what you're using when you're able to post. Thanks!

  • Surfinginhawaii
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    Azzuria wrote: »
    Azzuria wrote: »
    Not sure what class OP is playing.

    My heavy-armor wearing Nord DK uses only 2-handers ( sword for stuff wut bleeds, axe for stuff wut don't, and daedra ) and last night in Eastmarch I was tearing through groups of 3 and 4, ar 3-4 levels above me, like hot snot through cheap kleenex. Bosses, too. If anything, it seems her DPS has been -boosted- with 1.4.3.

    Would you mind posting some details about your build/setup? I want to play a heavy armor 2h nord, but haven't been able to make it work at all. Would appreciate some tips if possible.

    I would also like to please see your build/setup and maybe then I can go back to doing two-hander.

    I'll try to post it when I get home from work. Honestly, theory-craft is not my strong suit. Basically, it's all about the self-heal passive based on fire damage... and then setting every mob on fire.

    ehh-hehehe... firrrre.... firrre.

    I would sure appreciate it :D . When I was using two-hander I wasn't really using any of the skills from that line but mostly concentrating on the Dragon Knight skill lines and I was only using heavy armor.
  • GoatKnuckle
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    Gillysan wrote: »
    In your post, it's hidden until moused over, little cog pops up in top right corner area.

    Also, I only use FF so not sure if IE11 is having troubles.

    lol the 90s called, they want their browser back.

    You must be thinking of Netscape Navigator. But you tried ... I guess. One gold star for one special snowflake.

    Sorry, but Internet Explorer... maybe early 2000s. I managed to move my parents away from that browser about five years ago, and they aren't exactly computer literate.

    No, I'm sorry. The Goat misread the original post you were replying to. Now I'm the special snowflake. IE was available during that timeframe. But I agree, I prefer Firefox as well.
  • smeeprocketnub19_ESO
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    Gillysan wrote: »
    In your post, it's hidden until moused over, little cog pops up in top right corner area.

    Also, I only use FF so not sure if IE11 is having troubles.

    lol the 90s called, they want their browser back.

    You must be thinking of Netscape Navigator. But you tried ... I guess. One gold star for one special snowflake.

    Sorry, but Internet Explorer... maybe early 2000s. I managed to move my parents away from that browser about five years ago, and they aren't exactly computer literate.

    No, I'm sorry. The Goat misread the original post you were replying to. Now I'm the special snowflake. IE was available during that timeframe. But I agree, I prefer Firefox as well.

    yea I quoted a post replying to the post I wanted to reply to.

    I usually use chrome, despite a general disgust for google. FF is good stuff too, tho.
    Dear Sister, I do not spread rumors, I create them.
  • mar1ano1987nrb18_ESO
    Stx wrote: »
    You can dps in heavy armor currently if you want to... On my stamina character i have about 70% crit. Only 21% of that comes from Medium armor... so if you want to make a Heavy armor dps then do it. You can still max stamina, weapon damage, and stamina regen(regen will be hard to cap in heavy, but doable), and you will have to settle for 45-50% crit, which is still very high in PvE.
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    Well, I play in the Ebonheart Pact (NA) and we almost never have pvp buffs, so ..Im guessing those stats you got came from Cyrodiil. If not ....please tell me how to increase weapon critical to 70% with a DK medium armor/two handed , unbuffed.

    Right now im getting to 60% -63% crit ..only when I use oblivion flames (Inferno Morph), but cant keep it up for long since its stops my magicka recovery

    Stukha - Dragon Knight - Ebonheart Pact
    Bazhinga - Nightblade - Ebonheart Pact
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  • Asys
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    Stx wrote: »
    You can dps in heavy armor currently if you want to... On my stamina character i have about 70% crit. Only 21% of that comes from Medium armor... so if you want to make a Heavy armor dps then do it. You can still max stamina, weapon damage, and stamina regen(regen will be hard to cap in heavy, but doable), and you will have to settle for 45-50% crit, which is still very high in PvE.
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    Well, I play in the Ebonheart Pact (NA) and we almost never have pvp buffs, so ..Im guessing those stats you got came from Cyrodiil. If not ....please tell me how to increase weapon critical to 70% with a DK medium armor/two handed , unbuffed.

    Right now im getting to 60% -63% crit ..only when I use oblivion flames (Inferno Morph), but cant keep it up for long since its stops my magicka recovery

    Does pvp buffs work in pve?
    Proud member of the IDGAF+ community
  • Azzuria
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    Ok, home from work. Here's my set up:

    Nord DK, heavy armor, 2-hander/2-hander set up

    Primary
    Critical Charge (weapon tree) (unmorphed)
    Brawler ( weapon tree)
    Burning Ember (Ardent Flame)
    Stone Giant (Earthen Heart)
    Igneous Weapons (Ardent Flame)

    Secondary
    Same as above, with Silver Bolts (Fighters Guild) in place of Stone Giant

    Ultimate
    Dragnknight Standard (unmorphed)

    Passives
    Nord- Robust 3/3
    Heavy Armor- Constitution 2/2
    2-Hand- Forceful 2/2
    Balanced Blade 2/2
    Battle Rush 1/2
    Ardent Flame- Kindling 2/2


    Basically, I find the caster / healer and charge in, set them on fire with Burning Ember and use Brawler. Focus in turn on each individual mob with Burning Ember until everyone is flaming then focus on one so one other get splash damage from Forceful. Between block-stunning and Stone Giant stunning healers / casters they die pretty fast.

    I also have a level 50 Alchemist so between multi-function Health / Stam Regen and Crit buff and self-heal passive, I'm pretty damned hard to kill in PvE.
    Brunhilda Icehammer - Nord Dragonknight, 'Smith & Enchantress 'What is 'ranged? I need to hit something!!'
    Laehl Direthorn - Bosmer Nightblade, Purveyor of fine Clothes, Bows and Staves
    Reeza gra-Zuni - Orc Templar 'War Shaman' and Apothecary
    Noemi Snowpaw - Kajiit Dragon Knight - I laugh... or I'd have to kill you.
    Kitera Dreamon - Breton of The Dominion: Because those Daggers don't appreciate a great Mage.
    Lysara Shadowcroft - Dunmer Bloodmage: This will only hurt a lot.
  • Surfinginhawaii
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    Azzuria wrote: »
    Ok, home from work. Here's my set up:

    Nord DK, heavy armor, 2-hander/2-hander set up

    Primary
    Critical Charge (weapon tree) (unmorphed)
    Brawler ( weapon tree)
    Burning Ember (Ardent Flame)
    Stone Giant (Earthen Heart)
    Igneous Weapons (Ardent Flame)

    Secondary
    Same as above, with Silver Bolts (Fighters Guild) in place of Stone Giant

    Ultimate
    Dragnknight Standard (unmorphed)

    Passives
    Nord- Robust 3/3
    Heavy Armor- Constitution 2/2
    2-Hand- Forceful 2/2
    Balanced Blade 2/2
    Battle Rush 1/2
    Ardent Flame- Kindling 2/2


    Basically, I find the caster / healer and charge in, set them on fire with Burning Ember and use Brawler. Focus in turn on each individual mob with Burning Ember until everyone is flaming then focus on one so one other get splash damage from Forceful. Between block-stunning and Stone Giant stunning healers / casters they die pretty fast.

    I also have a level 50 Alchemist so between multi-function Health / Stam Regen and Crit buff and self-heal passive, I'm pretty damned hard to kill in PvE.

    Thanks for the time and post, will definitely look into this :D
  • Jade1986
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    Azzuria wrote: »
    Ok, home from work. Here's my set up:

    Nord DK, heavy armor, 2-hander/2-hander set up

    Primary
    Critical Charge (weapon tree) (unmorphed)
    Brawler ( weapon tree)
    Burning Ember (Ardent Flame)
    Stone Giant (Earthen Heart)
    Igneous Weapons (Ardent Flame)

    Secondary
    Same as above, with Silver Bolts (Fighters Guild) in place of Stone Giant

    Ultimate
    Dragnknight Standard (unmorphed)

    Passives
    Nord- Robust 3/3
    Heavy Armor- Constitution 2/2
    2-Hand- Forceful 2/2
    Balanced Blade 2/2
    Battle Rush 1/2
    Ardent Flame- Kindling 2/2


    Basically, I find the caster / healer and charge in, set them on fire with Burning Ember and use Brawler. Focus in turn on each individual mob with Burning Ember until everyone is flaming then focus on one so one other get splash damage from Forceful. Between block-stunning and Stone Giant stunning healers / casters they die pretty fast.

    I also have a level 50 Alchemist so between multi-function Health / Stam Regen and Crit buff and self-heal passive, I'm pretty damned hard to kill in PvE.
    And there we have it, he is using magic. Moving on. No one is saying magic based class attacks don't work. We are saying playing a pure warrior WITHOUT magic does not work.

  • timidobserver
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    IMO, you still have 2-3 months before stamina builds start to even out. They are working on it though.
    V16 Uriel Stormblessed EP Magicka Templar(main)
    V16 Derelict Vagabond EP Stamina DK
    V16 Redacted Ep Stam Sorc
    V16 Insolent EP Magicka Sorc(retired)
    V16 Jed I Nyte EP Stamina NB(retired)

  • Azzuria
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    laced wrote: »
    Azzuria wrote: »
    Ok, home from work. Here's my set up:

    Nord DK, heavy armor, 2-hander/2-hander set up

    Primary
    Critical Charge (weapon tree) (unmorphed)
    Brawler ( weapon tree)
    Burning Ember (Ardent Flame)
    Stone Giant (Earthen Heart)
    Igneous Weapons (Ardent Flame)

    Secondary
    Same as above, with Silver Bolts (Fighters Guild) in place of Stone Giant

    Ultimate
    Dragnknight Standard (unmorphed)

    Passives
    Nord- Robust 3/3
    Heavy Armor- Constitution 2/2
    2-Hand- Forceful 2/2
    Balanced Blade 2/2
    Battle Rush 1/2
    Ardent Flame- Kindling 2/2


    Basically, I find the caster / healer and charge in, set them on fire with Burning Ember and use Brawler. Focus in turn on each individual mob with Burning Ember until everyone is flaming then focus on one so one other get splash damage from Forceful. Between block-stunning and Stone Giant stunning healers / casters they die pretty fast.

    I also have a level 50 Alchemist so between multi-function Health / Stam Regen and Crit buff and self-heal passive, I'm pretty damned hard to kill in PvE.
    And there we have it, SHE is using magic. Moving on. No one is saying magic based class attacks don't work. We are saying playing a pure warrior WITHOUT magic does not work.

    I never claimed otherwise. All class abilities are magika-based and what kinda maroon would give up on all those tasty class abilities? At 34, I've only got 7 points in Magika and that's enough for the abilities I wanted.
    Brunhilda Icehammer - Nord Dragonknight, 'Smith & Enchantress 'What is 'ranged? I need to hit something!!'
    Laehl Direthorn - Bosmer Nightblade, Purveyor of fine Clothes, Bows and Staves
    Reeza gra-Zuni - Orc Templar 'War Shaman' and Apothecary
    Noemi Snowpaw - Kajiit Dragon Knight - I laugh... or I'd have to kill you.
    Kitera Dreamon - Breton of The Dominion: Because those Daggers don't appreciate a great Mage.
    Lysara Shadowcroft - Dunmer Bloodmage: This will only hurt a lot.
  • smeeprocketnub19_ESO
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    Azzuria wrote: »
    laced wrote: »
    Azzuria wrote: »
    Ok, home from work. Here's my set up:

    Nord DK, heavy armor, 2-hander/2-hander set up

    Primary
    Critical Charge (weapon tree) (unmorphed)
    Brawler ( weapon tree)
    Burning Ember (Ardent Flame)
    Stone Giant (Earthen Heart)
    Igneous Weapons (Ardent Flame)

    Secondary
    Same as above, with Silver Bolts (Fighters Guild) in place of Stone Giant

    Ultimate
    Dragnknight Standard (unmorphed)

    Passives
    Nord- Robust 3/3
    Heavy Armor- Constitution 2/2
    2-Hand- Forceful 2/2
    Balanced Blade 2/2
    Battle Rush 1/2
    Ardent Flame- Kindling 2/2


    Basically, I find the caster / healer and charge in, set them on fire with Burning Ember and use Brawler. Focus in turn on each individual mob with Burning Ember until everyone is flaming then focus on one so one other get splash damage from Forceful. Between block-stunning and Stone Giant stunning healers / casters they die pretty fast.

    I also have a level 50 Alchemist so between multi-function Health / Stam Regen and Crit buff and self-heal passive, I'm pretty damned hard to kill in PvE.
    And there we have it, SHE is using magic. Moving on. No one is saying magic based class attacks don't work. We are saying playing a pure warrior WITHOUT magic does not work.

    I never claimed otherwise. All class abilities are magika-based and what kinda maroon would give up on all those tasty class abilities? At 34, I've only got 7 points in Magika and that's enough for the abilities I wanted.

    at 34 you're are not in a position to be able to make any assessment of the game, tbh. Nor really theorycraft anything effectively.
    Dear Sister, I do not spread rumors, I create them.
  • Wicked_Wolf
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    Azzuria wrote: »
    laced wrote: »
    Azzuria wrote: »
    Ok, home from work. Here's my set up:

    Nord DK, heavy armor, 2-hander/2-hander set up

    Primary
    Critical Charge (weapon tree) (unmorphed)
    Brawler ( weapon tree)
    Burning Ember (Ardent Flame)
    Stone Giant (Earthen Heart)
    Igneous Weapons (Ardent Flame)

    Secondary
    Same as above, with Silver Bolts (Fighters Guild) in place of Stone Giant

    Ultimate
    Dragnknight Standard (unmorphed)

    Passives
    Nord- Robust 3/3
    Heavy Armor- Constitution 2/2
    2-Hand- Forceful 2/2
    Balanced Blade 2/2
    Battle Rush 1/2
    Ardent Flame- Kindling 2/2


    Basically, I find the caster / healer and charge in, set them on fire with Burning Ember and use Brawler. Focus in turn on each individual mob with Burning Ember until everyone is flaming then focus on one so one other get splash damage from Forceful. Between block-stunning and Stone Giant stunning healers / casters they die pretty fast.

    I also have a level 50 Alchemist so between multi-function Health / Stam Regen and Crit buff and self-heal passive, I'm pretty damned hard to kill in PvE.
    And there we have it, SHE is using magic. Moving on. No one is saying magic based class attacks don't work. We are saying playing a pure warrior WITHOUT magic does not work.

    I never claimed otherwise. All class abilities are magika-based and what kinda maroon would give up on all those tasty class abilities? At 34, I've only got 7 points in Magika and that's enough for the abilities I wanted.

    at 34 you're are not in a position to be able to make any assessment of the game, tbh. Nor really theorycraft anything effectively.

    In all fairness, she did mention above that she's not theory crafting; just showing what she uses that works after we asked her.

    I will give it a shot but as mentioned above, my big gripe is the forced magic. My main issue is that there is no true pure warrior class. Everyone has to incorporate magic for their class skills; even if you don't level magic at all. To me, this goes against not only the TES games but MMO's in general. There's always the pure warrior non magic character. I'm just not sure I understand why ZOS decided to lean so heavily towards having so much magic and making magic builds much more effective.
  • Gillysan
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    I think the only reason why those DK skills (my first character is a DK 2H) are magic based is because they saw how many things were beginning to rely on Stamina and there was an - oh ***! - moment. I know when I made my DK I had the same reaction.

    It's ok if you use a little bit of magicka. Some of those skills stay up for a fair amount of time and you won't need to use them much during a fight. There is some balancing to do here, but that is why we are paying a sub fee. So to the OP it is not so doom and gloom as you think but OTOH you can't be a "pure" healer, tank, rogue or sorcerer in this game. Keep that in mind, balance your resources, manage them during a fight and don't stop swinging.

    This image is so that other guy knows what he is missing. PS you can run more than one browser on a computer, just quietly install FF and don't set it as the default browser:
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  • Azzuria
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    Brunhilda is my lowest of 3 mains, the others being VR ranked.

    And you're getting all cocksure and strutting over being 'right' about things I never claimed. I said, specifically, that I don't theorycraft. Never claimed to be the best 2-hander wielder evar, just able to have fun and 'play my way'.

    I play my DK as primarily Stamina-based and, as you've seen, I have very few Magika-based abilities and have only spent a few points on Magika. But, given that -all- class skills are Magika-based it really doesn't distract from the game play, I feel, to drop a few points into upping Magika. All my enchantments and set bonuses are to increase Stamina (and, to a lesser degree, health ) because that is the primary resource for my build.

    Now, if, when I reach VR levels and have to put on a dress and carry a staff because 2-handers become absolutely unplayable ( NOT 'underpowered' as deemed by elitist prigs who ONLY play FOTM builds ) then I'll find you and happily proclaim myself mistaken.

    Until then, lighten up, Francis.
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