So...you nerfed sneak speed stacking of item sets. But not shield stacking?

Kypho · September 2014

Erock25 wrote: »

Kypho wrote: »

Erock25 wrote: »

Shield stacking is good. Just a bunch of nb crying in here apparently. Give nb a class shield and be done with it.

Boo hoo I can't sneak at mount speed anymore. Get over it.

Shieldcerer or OPplar troll? Which one are you

I'm a Shieldcerer. It's funny that you don't hate on DK for shield stacking when they have basically the same exact class shield as a Sorc, but do not use it as often because they don't need to. Heals + Resource management is more powerful than shield stacking.

How is anyone complaining about one of the only widespread mechanics in the game right now that increases the Time to Kill factor? OH YEAH, that's right! Because one class can't use it, which is the NB..... So give NB a shield and all is well in the world, like I said.

eNumbra wrote: »

Erock25 wrote: »

Boo hoo I can't sneak at mount speed anymore. Get over it.

It's going to be a wonderful day when Zenimax destroys everything you love.

They already have when they nerfed streak because of light armor abuse, making it close to useless on my play style of choice which was 2h/bow medium armor Sorc.

I didnt mentioned DK because we know how DK is without shieldstacking. they dont really need that lol.... And dont give us crappy shield. Give us more survivability, or just make the cloak not bugged and better. because you cant kill target because shieldstacking, why should that ... kill NB? Cloak will be annoying, how annoying is your crappy shieldstacking BS.... As for templar who stacking shields while it can heal from 10% to 100% in a blink 10 times in a row, i can just say THIS GAME NEEDS BALLANCE.... who say its not, is need to visit a doctor. And i dont want to mention other classes.... You all know whats up with them.

OFC the Mighty NB can do 1.5k ambush (forgot to mention how it can easy to cut it down with mitigation to half...) on OPlar, he will just heal and heal and charge jab and heal and repeat (without light armor and lulstaff), while NB can forget cloak because it will break. Maybe the allmighty Blur can help you what has 15% chance to miss LoL... Or fear, what will be breaked asap, and you get KB all the time without immunity. And the all mighty NB heals will not help you stand in fight at all... And if enemy blocking....
Well ok. NB has siphoning attack... its really nice... cut your damage down with 22% for 10%!! chance for 15% stam and mag... Really *** great....umm no it is not....

(OFC i left out pijama+Rstaff crap, and vampirism out. too many of that in game to even mention it)

apostate9 · September 2014

Kypho wrote: »

Erock25 wrote: »

Kypho wrote: »

Erock25 wrote: »

Shield stacking is good. Just a bunch of nb crying in here apparently. Give nb a class shield and be done with it.

Boo hoo I can't sneak at mount speed anymore. Get over it.

Shieldcerer or OPplar troll? Which one are you

I'm a Shieldcerer. It's funny that you don't hate on DK for shield stacking when they have basically the same exact class shield as a Sorc, but do not use it as often because they don't need to. Heals + Resource management is more powerful than shield stacking.

How is anyone complaining about one of the only widespread mechanics in the game right now that increases the Time to Kill factor? OH YEAH, that's right! Because one class can't use it, which is the NB..... So give NB a shield and all is well in the world, like I said.

eNumbra wrote: »

Erock25 wrote: »

Boo hoo I can't sneak at mount speed anymore. Get over it.

It's going to be a wonderful day when Zenimax destroys everything you love.

They already have when they nerfed streak because of light armor abuse, making it close to useless on my play style of choice which was 2h/bow medium armor Sorc.

I didnt mentioned DK because we know how DK is without shieldstacking. they dont really need that lol.... And dont give us crappy shield. Give us more survivability, or just make the cloak not bugged and better. because you cant kill target because shieldstacking, why should that ... kill NB? Cloak will be annoying, how annoying is your crappy shieldstacking BS.... As for templar who stacking shields while it can heal from 10% to 100% in a blink 10 times in a row, i can just say THIS GAME NEEDS BALLANCE.... who say its not, is need to visit a doctor. And i dont want to mention other classes.... You all know whats up with them.

So I heard "every class except NB OP!"

Is that about right? When they fix invisibility will NB be OP too? Will we then have 4 OP classes out the total of 4?

eNumbra · September 2014

apostate9 wrote: »

Is that about right? When they fix invisibility will NB be OP too? Will we then have 4 OP classes out the total of 4?

When everyone is OP, you know the game is balanced.

madangrypally · September 2014

I do not think they need to remove shield stacking, but they need to adjust some stacking issues.

1: Change on side effects like Annulment and other effects to wear off after any damage shield absorbs a set amount of damage.

Example: I use Hardened Ward for a 1,000 Damage shield then use Annulment that adds a 500 Damage shield. I now have a 1,500 damage shield, and the first 500 damage done removes the side effect of Annulment.
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2: Fix blazing shield explosion. I play a Templar and have done upwards to 3500 explosions a few times and it makes me want to quit my Templar.

Example:
I use Blazing Shield for 1,000 damage shield. I then take 1,000 damage and it explodes for 520 damage.
I cast Blazing shield again for another 1,000 damage shield and use Shielded Assault for another 500 damage shield. After the first 1,000 damage it explodes for 520 damage.
I cast Blazing shield again for another 1,000 damage shield (the other damage shield has been absorbed so I only have the 1,000 damage shield. I take 500 damage and still have a 500 damage shield left, but recast Blazing shield. It immediately explodes for 260 damage when I had recasted blazing shield since the previous one was overwritten.

This thus solves blazing shield stacking.
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3: Nightblades get Blur which is a nice defensive ability though not many nightblades use it. I would recommend adding a damage shield to one of the morphs. Or to Haste.

Cody · September 2014

nights silence set does not even provide a speed bonus anymore....

the new bonus is so useless.

Cody · September 2014

its still pretty sad how quickly ZOS fixes this, while they ignore actual problems in the game.

Rylana · September 2014

I know this one sorc that can one shot a minotaur, run 3000 miles per hour, and create giant boulders with his bare hands.

Grim13 · September 2014

Cody wrote: »

its still pretty sad how quickly ZOS fixes this, while they ignore actual problems in the game.

ESO is by far the most poorly managed game I have ever been privy to.

The raw potential of the game is undermined at every turn by an inept development team and negligent management.

It almost seems like they are actively trying to drive people from the game.

I've given up hope that they will ever fix my beloved NB class... or that there will ever be balance in PvP.

Cody · September 2014

Rylana wrote: »

I know this one sorc that can one shot a minotaur, run 3000 miles per hour, and create giant boulders with his bare hands.

lemme guess... its you?:D

Paidkilla · September 2014

Been playing a NB since beta, I use to hate BE all i did was complain about it. Then i leveled up a Sorc. You dont get BE till 42 in SC and i can tell you sorcs are almost helpless without it. In Blackwater there is no survivability at all vs guys spamming invasions and nb's spamming ambush. You cant really take BE away while everyone else is spamming gap closers. So i changed my point on Be i really think the class would be unplayable without it. Sorcs can get predictable i always would invasion and hold in block for half a second the minute i connected with them cause i knew they would hit streak. they can be run down, but become fresh meat you take the skill away.

eNumbra · September 2014

Paidkilla wrote: »

nb's spamming ambush.

The difference being NB's get a cast time. Everyone else gets instants. I've watched lots of Sorc's get away with complete impunity because my gap closer has to charge and is interrupted by and becomes useless once the staff swinger is out of range; at which point I could spam Hidden Blade, but I probably don't have much stamina left after having to counter endless amounts of CC or countering streaks CC leaves you enough time to pop it a second time and leave everyone in the dust.

Columba · September 2014

Grim13 wrote: »

Cody wrote: »

its still pretty sad how quickly ZOS fixes this, while they ignore actual problems in the game.

ESO is by far the most poorly managed game I have ever been privy to.

The raw potential of the game is undermined at every turn by an inept development team and negligent management.

It almost seems like they are actively trying to drive people from the game.

I've given up hope that they will ever fix my beloved NB class... or that there will ever be balance in PvP.

Agreed, I thought arenanet was bad, but this is worse. Single most poorly managed game I've ever seen.

Kypho · September 2014

Damn youre right. my sorc and my templar can do better dps, and i can even heal better than NB. Stop complaining NBs. Other classes are better, get over it LOL.

Braidas · September 2014

Kypho wrote: »

Damn youre right. my sorc and my templar can do better dps, and i can even heal better than NB. Stop complaining NBs. Other classes are better, get over it LOL.

if ur temp does better dps you're doing something wrong lol

Ifthir_ESO · September 2014

madangrypally wrote: »

3: Nightblades get Blur which is a nice defensive ability though not many nightblades use it. I would recommend adding a damage shield to one of the morphs. Or to Haste.

Are you high?

No nightblade with any brains is using blur in PvP because it sucks.

Ifthir_ESO · September 2014

Brandeospeedwagon wrote: »

Kypho wrote: »

Damn youre right. my sorc and my templar can do better dps, and i can even heal better than NB. Stop complaining NBs. Other classes are better, get over it LOL.

if ur temp does better dps you're doing something wrong lol

I know maybe 2 nightblades on EP, US server I see that would outdamage me in PVE. So I have built my character around high dps bursting.

I simply cannot burst down shield stackers in PvP. Period. You literally cannot kill a smart shield stacker 1v1.

Ambush for 1k > incapactating strike 1k + or soul tether 1k + and if they survive, they heal/bolt/shield up and lol at your NB.

Saet · September 2014

People have a right to complain when their main class constantly gets broken by the patches. It is taking entirely too long to fix cloak issues in this game. A lot of people picked nightblade because they want to be able to play a stealthy character. Yes I still do pretty well with my NB regardless, and I believe we would be ok if our skills worked as they should, but we have more broken abilities, that have been broken for much longer than any other class.
Mojo you seem to follow the NB threads very closely so you can come troll them.

Columba · September 2014

Breaking cloak and other NB skills is what annoys me. Just fix those. This class is fine otherwise.

Ifthir_ESO · September 2014

Nightblade Mark skill, ignores 75% of spell resistance and 0% of shield stacking. Seems legit...

Dleatherus · September 2014

i think it all boils down to that all-elusive 'balance' that we would like to see but is so difficult to achieve

no QQ here - just my input

For the record I play a NB

was the stealth speed of a vampire NB OP? - yes

did it need a nerf - yes and no - and allow me to explain why

I am finding that there is so much borked regarding pvp balancing that the 'ridiculous' stealth speed of a NB actually balanced him closer to being viable to play against other classes

last night outside Sejanus there was a templar bouncing up and down solo on a rock - obvious bait - so three of us NB's in voice comms all enable 'evil hunter' ability, chug our damage/crit pots, and 'focus aim' him from stealth - should hit for easily about 5k damage - you theorycrafters can figure it out exactly if you want

point is the templars health bar barely flickered - down to maybe 96% full health

so while I think the speed stacking nerf was something needed, addressing it and not other issues is where a lot of the 'complaining' is coming from

admittedly there are other ways to play NB's and there are some amazing builds out there - I am fine with respecing my NB to now play the FOTM NB build in order to be viable

light armor and restostaff it is - much as i dislike it - haven't used that once yet - light armor is still at level 5, and it's at 5 only because i happened across the light armor books whilst doing delves for skyshards

a lot of the resentment i think is coming from many NB's perception that they would be able to be a stealthy dps burst with a reasonable chance of escape if not successful playstyle

with the current broken NB/game stealth mechanics it is still doable, but much less viable/successful - sometimes can't stealth for a minute after your last hit because it says you're still in combat even if running solo = not good when attacking the edge of a siege line and wanting to survive

so YES on it needing to be addressed - but would have been nice if unbreakable cc, broken stealth mechanics could have been addressed as well

D.

Mykah · September 2014

Ifthir_ESO wrote: »

Nightblade Mark skill, ignores 75% of spell resistance and 0% of shield stacking. Seems legit...

Love it.

Here's a great fix: Make NBs mark target ignore the target's shields, viola, a actual assassine class.

yelloweyedemon · September 2014

Two wrongs don't make a right...

Both are problems and it's good to see one of them go. Apparently it was easier to fix the speed bug first...

But what has one thing to do with the other?

Seems like some people lost their godmode speed and find other bugged skills to QQ for.

Gilvoth · September 2014

you continually try to justyfy and say that the nightblade speed made them somehow overpowered when infact there is NOTHING that the speed we had allowed us to be able to do anything in combat because ALL sneak speeds we had are GONE when we come out of stealth.
we cant run scrolls with it because we are obviously out of stealth with a scroll!
nothing about sneak speeds has any effect at all in pvp. or combat of anykind.

Gilvoth · September 2014

oh, and about that thing you said catching up to a horse and killing the guy on a horse,
let me let u in on a secret!
if i see you coming on that horse i dont need no speed to catch you and kill you cause youll run right to me.
so dont try using that as excuse iether!

Ifthir_ESO · September 2014

Right, the nerf to sneak had nothing to do with NB. Had to do with set bonuses + vampire abilities. But people wanted to turn it into a "dont buff NB" thread.

Dleatherus · September 2014

Hlaren_shortsheath wrote: »

oh, and about that thing you said catching up to a horse and killing the guy on a horse,
let me let u in on a secret!
if i see you coming on that horse i dont need no speed to catch you and kill you cause youll run right to me.
so dont try using that as excuse iether!

actually in steath could catch up to a horse that i had seen to one side or the other of me, chase them down from behind, get close enough to draw snipe, which would keep me running in stealth though now at 'normal' speed, and knock them off their horse

i then had a very small window within which to kill them because my stamina would be totally depleted in order to have achieved that speed in the first place

i had to compromise in making my build that i took double damage from fire, got worked by silver bolts etc, and was giving up on some nice combat buffs in wearing a 5 piece set for the speed instead of combat

personally i haven't found it to be as much of a nerf as i thought it would be, and running my stam build NB with 5 piece Hunding's, 4 piece Ravager and 2 piece Night Mother it just makes for adjusting how i have fun is all

my 'issue' if one could call it that is that OP things that make other classes just as OP unbalanced have been around for a lot longer and nothing has been done - no biggie - business and fun as usual

D.

Samadhi · September 2014

yelloweyedemon wrote: »

Two wrongs don't make a right...

Both are problems and it's good to see one of them go. Apparently it was easier to fix the speed bug first...

But what has one thing to do with the other?

Seems like some people lost their godmode speed and find other bugged skills to QQ for.

If by "fix the speed bug" you mean "bug out the set so the bonus no longer works at all," then sure.

This set has been broken since the patch. Those of us who play non-vampires and used the set to keep pace with vampires before the patch are currently sitting on zero 5-piece bonus of any kind.

Great fix. Punish non-vampire players because of the whining people directed at vampires.

Cody · September 2014

Samadhi wrote: »

yelloweyedemon wrote: »

Two wrongs don't make a right...

Both are problems and it's good to see one of them go. Apparently it was easier to fix the speed bug first...

But what has one thing to do with the other?

Seems like some people lost their godmode speed and find other bugged skills to QQ for.

If by "fix the speed bug" you mean "bug out the set so the bonus no longer works at all," then sure.

This set has been broken since the patch. Those of us who play non-vampires and used the set to keep pace with vampires before the patch are currently sitting on zero 5-piece bonus of any kind.

Great fix. Punish non-vampire players because of the whining people directed at vampires.

Yup. nights silence is a total waste of space now. They may as well just remove it from the game and replace it with something else.

Ezareth · September 2014

Ifthir_ESO wrote: »

Brandeospeedwagon wrote: »

Kypho wrote: »

Damn youre right. my sorc and my templar can do better dps, and i can even heal better than NB. Stop complaining NBs. Other classes are better, get over it LOL.

if ur temp does better dps you're doing something wrong lol

I know maybe 2 nightblades on EP, US server I see that would outdamage me in PVE. So I have built my character around high dps bursting.

I simply cannot burst down shield stackers in PvP. Period. You literally cannot kill a smart shield stacker 1v1.

Ambush for 1k > incapactating strike 1k + or soul tether 1k + and if they survive, they heal/bolt/shield up and lol at your NB.

The problem isn't Shield stacking, the problem is block and roll dodge which mitigates all of your burst damage because you chose the worst PVP NB build for stealth attacks.

Ifthir_ESO wrote: »

ezareth_ESO wrote: »

QFT.

I've killed you solo. You are a good player, and if you said something about Sorcerers, I would listen. I feel pretty confident that this information represents that I am not some johnny come lately to the NB class.

I am complaining about nightblades. Am I talking out of my ass, or do I have more experience with the class than you do and therefore have insights you might not be privy to?

Mojomonkeyman wrote: »

lots of bs about a classs he doesn't play

So why dont you post a video showing Sypher or someone losing 1v1 to a nightblade. Post a video of a nightblade 1v6'ing people like DK's and templars can. How about post a video of a nightblade even being remotely scary to a serious player. Show a NB 1v1'ing Mimiron. Or a NB 1v1'ing Vencenzo.

Or how about you post any video that shows you playing a nightblade, period.

Let's be honest here, you've never killed me solo, not even close. You've got the killing blow on me once or twice as I was being chased by a mob of players and had no resources. There isn't an ambush nightblade in the game who could kill me solo and that isn't because I'm some great player, it is because it is a garbage build that is good at killing unskilled players who know how to counter it.

I've fought plenty of amazing nightblades. I just had a 15 minute fight with one of the best nightblades I've fought Ninja San (who I don't think speaks english natively). Flawless play and despite the fact he never used a shield I couldn't kill him and he almost had me a couple times.

Ak'nur is another one of the best nightblades I've fought and you know what? He didn't used to be....now he doesn't even bother stealthing and he's a freaking wrecking ball. We've had several fights that were solo and he's got me a few times and I him and that's more than any other nightblade can say right now.

Brizz (whom is another great nightblade who I think quit) was amazing, and didn't rely on stealth and could fight 6 people at once without breaking a sweat. I've watched him do it to my own side while we were chatting.

Hell some random nightblade with a low rank was shield stacking harness magicka and healing ward on me today and went through 500 of my ultimate before he casually extracted himself from the field and I couldn't kill him.

What I was quoting for truth wasn't that your complaints on whatever you feel isn't working on nightblades. Every person I hear on these forums crying about class imbalance is a nightblade and most of us are sick of hearing about it because there are some damn good nightblades out there who don't have a problem finding a build they enjoy that is very effective in PvP.

Ohh and finally...I can't kill a decent shield stacking player 1 v 1 either so I pick targets who aren't doing it or fight them with more than 1 player. This isn't a 1 v 1 game.

Rylana · September 2014

ezareth_ESO wrote: »

What I was quoting for truth wasn't that your complaints on whatever you feel isn't working on nightblades. Every person I hear on these forums crying about class imbalance is a nightblade and most of us are sick of hearing about it because there are some damn good nightblades out there who don't have a problem finding a build they enjoy that is very effective in PvP.

This is pretty much what I have been saying for months in nightblade threads, and still people throw a fit calling me crap like elitist, a liar, etc.

Those that seem to throw the biggest fits are the ones that want a build that does exactly this in five easy steps.

1. Can never be seen or attacked before they are ready to do step 2, ever, and i mean not even once.
2. Can do enough damage that whenever the nightblade wants to, it can kill anything, with any spec, any time, any place.
3. Can then get away without being caught, not even once.
4. Can then brag to their friends/enemies about how hardcore of a ganker they are with their pro leet hax like other stealthers do in other games
5. Possibly make humiliation youtube videos of their victims.

The reality is, the nightblade class has had some really REALLY good builds associated with it since even back in beta, its just certain really loud individuals that have no creativity and want easy mode handed to them via alpha class level "balancing" never bothered to actually theorycraft past the single target maximum spike damage in 2 seconds build, and forgot that nightblades have some of the most annoying and deadly CC/stuns in the game. Not to mention they are arguably the most powerful HoT healer/survivalist that exists. Id even argue a nightblade can actually outheal a templar or a sorc if they spec all-in to it.

With the recent slew of fixes and buffs to the class, the number of truly viable builds has gotten to the point where the nightblade class is arguably the most diverse in terms of what you can actually accomplish with one, almost any spec works now if you apply it correctly.

There are good players out there, some nightblades that can do things I cant even do, and ive been playing this class for almost as long as youve been playing sorc (i just have alt-itis and dont have the alliance rank street cred)

So you hit the nail more or less right on the head. I am familiar with every single one of those nightblades you mentioned, and they are better than I am, thats for sure. I also know they are using builds that the "common joe looking for an i-win build on the forums" is never going to figure out.

Its not so much a learn to play issue anymore in ESO, its become more of a "learn what you can ACTUALLY do if you try something other than the same three skills you "heard" were the good ones.