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Seriously Disappointed
Super_Sonico
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I've played since beta. Started my main at early launch. Played through all three factions on the same character. I though being able to do the other factions on one character was cool. Took my time. Explored all the areas. I've avoided PvP because of the imbalance issues, but now that I'm half way through VR11 I can probably survive enough to solo around Cyrodiil and find the things to do solo (dungeons, skyshards, etc.) So there's a little left to do there. Cool.
Having finished the primary game though, I took my first trip to Craglorn. I resisted the temptation to go when it was launched because I wanted to experience the intended (?) progression of the game. (At least the intended progression in the way I perceived it.)
After all this wonderful content that I could make my way through, mostly solo, but with the options of grouping up with nearby allies, I find Craglorn to be a huge disappointment.
I get all starter quests in town. I know Craglorn requires grouping. Ok. Hit up zone chat for a group. Grind groups and time trials. No one interested in running quests. No one interested in just exploring. No one having fun playing the game. But rather low level VR's running in circles between the same 3 mobs, in a group of 12, getting 30k+ exp every 5 minutes. I don't even see how a group running quests in that area could even get to the quest content. The grind groups were competing for the spawns.
This is endgame? What a let down. All that glorious progression through the 3 alliances at my own pace. All to come to a screeching halt, with plenty more road to be traveled, but impassable due to a drastic shift in how the content is presented. And the crappy behavior of the community.
Sorry, but this is hugely disappointing. I'm sure this will fall on deaf ears. I know most of the community doesn't suck. Only the vocal ones. But Craglorn was filled with it tonight. The way the community was acting was awful. To have that overlap with such a drastic shift in how the game is played is just saddening. Because there's so much more content to experience, but no way to do it for players such as myself.
I guess after I find the skyshards and delve the dungeons in Cyrodiil the game really is over. Sad.
Having finished the primary game though, I took my first trip to Craglorn. I resisted the temptation to go when it was launched because I wanted to experience the intended (?) progression of the game. (At least the intended progression in the way I perceived it.)
After all this wonderful content that I could make my way through, mostly solo, but with the options of grouping up with nearby allies, I find Craglorn to be a huge disappointment.
I get all starter quests in town. I know Craglorn requires grouping. Ok. Hit up zone chat for a group. Grind groups and time trials. No one interested in running quests. No one interested in just exploring. No one having fun playing the game. But rather low level VR's running in circles between the same 3 mobs, in a group of 12, getting 30k+ exp every 5 minutes. I don't even see how a group running quests in that area could even get to the quest content. The grind groups were competing for the spawns.
This is endgame? What a let down. All that glorious progression through the 3 alliances at my own pace. All to come to a screeching halt, with plenty more road to be traveled, but impassable due to a drastic shift in how the content is presented. And the crappy behavior of the community.
Sorry, but this is hugely disappointing. I'm sure this will fall on deaf ears. I know most of the community doesn't suck. Only the vocal ones. But Craglorn was filled with it tonight. The way the community was acting was awful. To have that overlap with such a drastic shift in how the game is played is just saddening. Because there's so much more content to experience, but no way to do it for players such as myself.
I guess after I find the skyshards and delve the dungeons in Cyrodiil the game really is over. Sad.
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sagitter✭✭✭✭✭Craglorn is fun, squests ,encounters and dungeons, but you must find some friend and group up, like all the group contents. You can choose if you want to grind or not.8 -
Aedh✭✭✭Your best bet is to find a few friends/guildmates who haven't started questing in the zone yet, and do everything with them.
You probably won't find a lot of people available to do so in zone chat (well, maybe, but you will have to ask for an hour or more). Phasing doesn't help too, as someone who already started can't give you a hand unless they abandon their quest and go back to the start.3 -
Zaenidd✭✭✭find a group for craglorn quests, they're 95% away from grind group (guild should help you), do some trials or vet dg (guild should help you)Edited by Zaenidd on September 12, 2014 7:32AMServeur EU - Pacte
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Super_Sonico✭✭✭✭*sigh*Super_Sonico wrote: »... I get all starter quests in town. I know Craglorn requires grouping. Ok. Hit up zone chat for a group. Grind groups and time trials. No one interested in running quests. No one interested in just exploring. No one having fun playing the game. ...Craglorn is fun, ... but you must find some friend and group up ...Your best bet is to find a few friends/guildmates who haven't started questing in the zone yet, and do everything with them.tlegrandb16_ESO wrote: »find a group for craglorn quests,
I mean really. Did you people even read my post?
Yeah, I don't even...
Just...
wow...
*sigh*
Seriously disappointed.Edited by Super_Sonico on September 12, 2014 7:50AM14 -
thelordoffelines✭✭✭✭✭Super_Sonico wrote: »*sigh*Super_Sonico wrote: »... I get all starter quests in town. I know Craglorn requires grouping. Ok. Hit up zone chat for a group. Grind groups and time trials. No one interested in running quests. No one interested in just exploring. No one having fun playing the game. ...Craglorn is fun, ... but you must find some friend and group up ...Your best bet is to find a few friends/guildmates who haven't started questing in the zone yet, and do everything with them.tlegrandb16_ESO wrote: »find a group for craglorn quests,
I mean really. Did you people even read my post?
Yeah, I don't even...
Just...
wow...
*sigh*
Seriously disappointed.
they all said find friends/guildmates not randoms in zone chat
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Darthryan✭✭✭Dude do pvp. At vr 11 you'll do just fine. If
Your a dk or sorc it will be easy mode. Pvp has been the funnest thing about this game for me. Even as a nb where I get pwned by dks. Sniping people down before they know what's happening is an awesome feeling or sieging a castle for three hours to finally get it is just great. Do pvp. Craglorn is boring anyways. Its just the same crap but with a group.5 -
Tenofas✭✭✭Your mistake is trying to group with people who is farming for xp, and probably already did all the quests.
You need to find a group that shares your interest in Craglorn: doing the quests.
Being in a guild will help, since you can organize things for group content.
If you play solo and think that you can face Craglorn content in "solo mode" by joining random pugs, then you are doing it wrong.TenofasRedguard stamina Nightblade (CP 810) - Daggerfall Covenant
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Good-luck.2 -
bertenburnyb16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭yes we all know the forced craglon group quests are a big failure, but dont dispair, upper craglorn is comming... with more... forced group questing... and then murkmire... with even more ... forced group questing...
seriously ZOS, atleast questing needs to be soloable content, introduce a scaling system if you do em in groups it scales to the group size or someting, but this forced BS is not workingHaze Ramoran Dunmer Dragonknight Tank/Dps – Smoked-Da-Herb Saxheel Templar Tank/Healer
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Gillysan✭✭✭✭One hour is nothing. I remember PUG's in EQ taking 2, 3 or 4 hours to get. There was no grouping tool, it was all in zone chat. LOL
Weeknights are for soloing unless you have a steady group of people already.Edited by Gillysan on September 12, 2014 10:37AMCrafting Services http://tinyurl.com/GillysansStore Organizational Guide http://tinyurl.com/GillysansEnchanterLeveling
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stefan.gustavsonb16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭Your mistake is trying to group with people who is farming for xp, and probably already did all the quests.
I would bet that the majority of players grinding XP in Craglorn has never even considered doing the quests. Ask in zone chat and you will probably be scoffed at for even suggesting it. To be honest, Craglorn is the unfriendliest and most depressing place I have been to in the game. Nothing but grind groups treating the game as a boring job, probably watching YouTube on the side and hardly paying any attention to what they are doing. Absolutely nobody interested in questing.
As pointed out by several others, you need to find a group of friends and just ignore the grinders.
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✭I have been playing since way back beta, I have one vr12 and have not stepped foot in crag yet, I run with a staic group of friends, and we will play crag like every other zone, crag might be end game now but it will not be all the time, as the game expands new areas will be released, crag will just be a passing zone, at least to me, I think all mmo's suffer from some sort of end game syndrome, it is never enough for some or just the wrong stuff for others, /shrug1 -
MrMT✭✭✭...or, maybe the simple truth, as you suggested, is that you have finished the content in this game that interests you.
Sounds like you had a good run.
No content can last forever. Move on, and check back in a few months.2 -
GaldorP✭✭✭✭✭It's a shame that it's so hard to find groups to do quests and just explore delves.
Part of it is the direct result of the game's design (rewards for completing quests and daily quests are not good when compared to the VP reward you get from killing any random boss that you can kill fast with up to 12 people; some quests can only be done once and only with people who are at the exact same stage of the quest you are).
Part of it is just players being lazy and not liking to take any risks. The exp reward you get for clearing a delve in Craglorn for the first time is good! And doing the quests and delves is actually fun.
I do the daily quests from time to time and join groups when I see someone asking in chat (daily quests are Seeker's Archive, Supreme Power, Critical Mass, Trials of Rahni-Za, Shada's Tear). Unfortunately I can't help people with the other quests as I've already completed them once
You see so many people trying to find 3 others that are at the same stage to do the final quest "The Missing Guardian" 0 -
Super_Sonico✭✭✭✭I don't have any friends (save my husband and my son who don't play). I've never been good at making them or keeping them. Even people I know at work who game don't play ESO.6
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serenenightmare✭✭✭Super_Sonico wrote: »I don't have any friends (save my husband and my son who don't play). I've never been good at making them or keeping them. Even people I know at work who game don't play ESO.
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Don't know what to tell you there. Casual guild or PvE guild is your best bet then. Craglorn right now is, sadly, a place for grinding.
Edited by serenenightmare on September 12, 2014 12:22PMv14 Sorcerer: Aerendyl Merith
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✭I'll say this again...to force grouping on a crowd of people with a server that has so many group instancing issues is the worst decision ZoS has made in this game.Edited by c0rp on September 12, 2014 1:52PMForce weapon swap to have priority over EVERYTHING. Close enough.
Make stamina builds even with magicka builds.
Disable abilities while holding block.
Give us a REASON to do dungeons more than once.
Remove PVP AoE CAP. It is ruining Cyrodiil.
Fix/Remove Forward Camps. They are ruining Cyrodiil.
Impenetrability needs to REDUCE CRIT DAMAGE. Not negate entire builds.
Werewolf is not equal to Vamps/Bats.12 -
Brother_Numsie✭✭✭I'll say this again...to force grouping on a crowd of people with a server that has so many group instancing issues is the worse decision ZoS has made in this game.
/Agree
They really should have worked on the grouping issues first before releasing Craglorn. (Or the fix should have been released with Craglorn.)0 -
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✭Super_Sonico wrote: »I don't have any friends (save my husband and my son who don't play). I've never been good at making them or keeping them. Even people I know at work who game don't play ESO.
Likewise. Bring the mercs
Edited by Rune_Relic on September 12, 2014 1:52PMAnything that can be exploited will be exploited3 -
jambam817_ESO✭✭✭I play(ed) with 2 friends. Tank, Healer, DPS (me). We rocked stuff, we even did pre vet dungeon runs with just us three.
At vet levels, we were excited to try Craglorn. We arrived at a point in our first quest where you must have 4 people interact with objects at the same time. We could not complete it.
They stopped playing after this, and I can't say I've logged in much either. It was a huge let down, finally getting to do something fun with my friends and being restricted.
I refuse to grind. If i want to do that, i'll just go log on to Everquest (which I have, a lot lately).5 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I've done a couple of the Craglorn delves, but I went with guildies and we grouped up before we went there.
What I dislike about Craglorn is that all the delves are 4-person dungeons rather than the regular delves where you can have any number of people in them. A couple of times when I first went there, another player asked to join our group and we had to decline because we were already 4. Which sucks, because usually we don't mind grouping with other players at all.
But yes, if you can join a social guild, they are probably running regular events which include Craglorn quests/delves.The Moot Councillor1 -
Morvoldo✭✭Super_Sonico wrote: »I've played since beta. Started my main at early launch. Played through all three factions on the same character. I though being able to do the other factions on one character was cool. Took my time. Explored all the areas. I've avoided PvP because of the imbalance issues, but now that I'm half way through VR11 I can probably survive enough to solo around Cyrodiil and find the things to do solo (dungeons, skyshards, etc.) So there's a little left to do there. Cool.
Having finished the primary game though, I took my first trip to Craglorn. I resisted the temptation to go when it was launched because I wanted to experience the intended (?) progression of the game. (At least the intended progression in the way I perceived it.)
After all this wonderful content that I could make my way through, mostly solo, but with the options of grouping up with nearby allies, I find Craglorn to be a huge disappointment.
I get all starter quests in town. I know Craglorn requires grouping. Ok. Hit up zone chat for a group. Grind groups and time trials. No one interested in running quests. No one interested in just exploring. No one having fun playing the game. But rather low level VR's running in circles between the same 3 mobs, in a group of 12, getting 30k+ exp every 5 minutes. I don't even see how a group running quests in that area could even get to the quest content. The grind groups were competing for the spawns.
This is endgame? What a let down. All that glorious progression through the 3 alliances at my own pace. All to come to a screeching halt, with plenty more road to be traveled, but impassable due to a drastic shift in how the content is presented. And the crappy behavior of the community.
Sorry, but this is hugely disappointing. I'm sure this will fall on deaf ears. I know most of the community doesn't suck. Only the vocal ones. But Craglorn was filled with it tonight. The way the community was acting was awful. To have that overlap with such a drastic shift in how the game is played is just saddening. Because there's so much more content to experience, but no way to do it for players such as myself.
I guess after I find the skyshards and delve the dungeons in Cyrodiil the game really is over. Sad.
and this is one reason why i have now Unsubbed as i spent hours trying to get groups, as i dont wanna Grind..it sucks and the next couple of expansions are all group stuff also so that will turn into a grindfest. shame really as 1-50 is Awsome, Vet 1 to (well i got to 9 1/2 after cadwells) 10 or 11 is Passable (tho couldnt do it twice or more as it gets boring).
I was soo looking forward to completing these quests but tis soo hard to get anyone to do these quests and if you do find someone they gotta be on Exactly the same point of the quest as you or you cant see them as of the phasing, such a let down
such a shame as this game was/is really good but once you get to a specific points its just a borfest full of players doing nothing but grinding a set of bosses or dungeon (that you need expert DPS to be able to do Oh and Now not forgetting Need the ACHIEVEMENT.
i love this game but now i've unsubbed to come back in a couple of months Maby.
so i feel for you as was/am in the same stateEdited by Morvoldo on September 12, 2014 2:25PM2 -
purple-magicb16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭+agree Solo content finishes in early VR. Craglorn needs to have more solo option. Btw reading other posts, afaik pvp still unbalanced. I very "play your way" and rite now pvp is not pyw. Its very clicky & elitist. Nothing at all like the lore immersion and freedom that I signed up for. Not opposed to grouping either, just that I find it doesn't always work well. I love playing with others, just more in pugs.I don't comment here often but when I do, I get [snip]1
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Super_Sonico✭✭✭✭mriguy1981 wrote: »Dude do pvp. At vr 11 you'll do just fine.
Meanwhile in Cyrodiil.
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This needs to stop. There are no groups to be had without TS? WTF? I played for the last 8 hours in Cyrodiil and managed to find 2 groups. 2. In 8 hours. Because people not allowing folks without TS in a group. As I explained to them, I have a 3 year old. I can't use headphones because I have to hear him. I can't have TS through the speakers because the kids can't watch their language.
Seriously disappointed in end game.
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Put the three-year-old on teamspeak. He / she will fit right in!Super_Sonico wrote: »*Snip*
Wait, no, I don't mean to insult your child like that. I just mean the age level corresponds to the attitudes displayed by these elitist groups in PVP.
Edited by jrgray93 on September 12, 2014 4:57PMEP: Slania Isara : Harambe Was an Inside Job6 -
Xeres14✭✭✭The advice I'd suggest is forming your group. This way you can dictate how the group should be in terms of TS and such. That may help.2
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✭✭✭✭Super_Sonico wrote: »mriguy1981 wrote: »Dude do pvp. At vr 11 you'll do just fine.
Meanwhile in Cyrodiil.
(Full size here if you can't read that: http://oi59.tinypic.com/2chi1c.jpg )
This needs to stop. There are no groups to be had without TS? WTF? I played for the last 8 hours in Cyrodiil and managed to find 2 groups. 2. In 8 hours. Because people not allowing folks without TS in a group. As I explained to them, I have a 3 year old. I can't use headphones because I have to hear him. I can't have TS through the speakers because the kids can't watch their language.
Seriously disappointed in end game.
There's no way to be as coordinated as you need to be without some type of voice-chat. That goes for any type of competitive PvE and PvP. If a group is counting on the cooperation of everyone in a constantly changing environment, one person who doesn't hear a command or follow an order could screw it up for the rest of the group.
Groups/guilds shouldn't feel the need to change their (proven effective) policies because you have a small child.Edited by Sallington on September 12, 2014 5:10PMDaggerfall Covenant
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Super_Sonico✭✭✭✭Sallington wrote: »There's no way to be as coordinated as you need to be without some type of voice-chat. That goes for any type of competitive PvE and PvP. If a group is counting on the cooperation of everyone in a constantly changing environment, one person who doesn't hear a command or follow an order could screw it up for the rest of the group.
Nobody is following orders. People are just flocking together like a herd. I was in that group for 45 minutes doing just fine until, oh, no TS. Kick. Stupid. Not needed at all.
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✭✭✭✭Super_Sonico wrote: »Sallington wrote: »There's no way to be as coordinated as you need to be without some type of voice-chat. That goes for any type of competitive PvE and PvP. If a group is counting on the cooperation of everyone in a constantly changing environment, one person who doesn't hear a command or follow an order could screw it up for the rest of the group.
Nobody is following orders. People are just flocking together like a herd. I was in that group for 45 minutes doing just fine until, oh, no TS. Kick. Stupid. Not needed at all.
I've run with that group many many times where we had to be very coordinated. It's very obvious who wasn't paying attention or wasn't in TS.Daggerfall Covenant
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Super_Sonico✭✭✭✭Sallington wrote: »I've run with that group many many times where we had to be very coordinated. It's very obvious who wasn't paying attention or wasn't in TS.
Sorry, but that's a BS excuse for a herd mentality. Watch the group icons on the map. For 'everyone being coordinated because of TS' there were 3 groups at different spots on the map not even playing together, and even the group leader was running around by himself half the time.
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