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Super_Sonico
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I've played since beta. Started my main at early launch. Played through all three factions on the same character. I though being able to do the other factions on one character was cool. Took my time. Explored all the areas. I've avoided PvP because of the imbalance issues, but now that I'm half way through VR11 I can probably survive enough to solo around Cyrodiil and find the things to do solo (dungeons, skyshards, etc.) So there's a little left to do there. Cool.

Having finished the primary game though, I took my first trip to Craglorn. I resisted the temptation to go when it was launched because I wanted to experience the intended (?) progression of the game. (At least the intended progression in the way I perceived it.)

After all this wonderful content that I could make my way through, mostly solo, but with the options of grouping up with nearby allies, I find Craglorn to be a huge disappointment.

I get all starter quests in town. I know Craglorn requires grouping. Ok. Hit up zone chat for a group. Grind groups and time trials. No one interested in running quests. No one interested in just exploring. No one having fun playing the game. But rather low level VR's running in circles between the same 3 mobs, in a group of 12, getting 30k+ exp every 5 minutes. I don't even see how a group running quests in that area could even get to the quest content. The grind groups were competing for the spawns.

This is endgame? What a let down. All that glorious progression through the 3 alliances at my own pace. All to come to a screeching halt, with plenty more road to be traveled, but impassable due to a drastic shift in how the content is presented. And the crappy behavior of the community.

Sorry, but this is hugely disappointing. I'm sure this will fall on deaf ears. I know most of the community doesn't suck. Only the vocal ones. But Craglorn was filled with it tonight. The way the community was acting was awful. To have that overlap with such a drastic shift in how the game is played is just saddening. Because there's so much more content to experience, but no way to do it for players such as myself.

I guess after I find the skyshards and delve the dungeons in Cyrodiil the game really is over. Sad.
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  • Aedh
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    Your best bet is to find a few friends/guildmates who haven't started questing in the zone yet, and do everything with them.

    You probably won't find a lot of people available to do so in zone chat (well, maybe, but you will have to ask for an hour or more). Phasing doesn't help too, as someone who already started can't give you a hand unless they abandon their quest and go back to the start.
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  • Zaenidd
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    find a group for craglorn quests, they're 95% away from grind group (guild should help you), do some trials or vet dg (guild should help you)
    Edited by Zaenidd on September 12, 2014 7:32AM
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  • Pseudonym
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    Find a casual friendly guild. There are plenty about, even here on the forums.

    Good-luck.
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  • Gillysan
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    One hour is nothing. I remember PUG's in EQ taking 2, 3 or 4 hours to get. There was no grouping tool, it was all in zone chat. LOL

    Weeknights are for soloing unless you have a steady group of people already.
    Edited by Gillysan on September 12, 2014 10:37AM
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  • stefan.gustavsonb16_ESO
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    Your mistake is trying to group with people who is farming for xp, and probably already did all the quests.

    I would bet that the majority of players grinding XP in Craglorn has never even considered doing the quests. Ask in zone chat and you will probably be scoffed at for even suggesting it. To be honest, Craglorn is the unfriendliest and most depressing place I have been to in the game. Nothing but grind groups treating the game as a boring job, probably watching YouTube on the side and hardly paying any attention to what they are doing. Absolutely nobody interested in questing.

    As pointed out by several others, you need to find a group of friends and just ignore the grinders.
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  • kevlarto_ESO
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    I have been playing since way back beta, I have one vr12 and have not stepped foot in crag yet, I run with a staic group of friends, and we will play crag like every other zone, crag might be end game now but it will not be all the time, as the game expands new areas will be released, crag will just be a passing zone, at least to me, I think all mmo's suffer from some sort of end game syndrome, it is never enough for some or just the wrong stuff for others, /shrug
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  • MrMT
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    ...or, maybe the simple truth, as you suggested, is that you have finished the content in this game that interests you.

    Sounds like you had a good run.

    No content can last forever. Move on, and check back in a few months.
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  • GaldorP
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    It's a shame that it's so hard to find groups to do quests and just explore delves.

    Part of it is the direct result of the game's design (rewards for completing quests and daily quests are not good when compared to the VP reward you get from killing any random boss that you can kill fast with up to 12 people; some quests can only be done once and only with people who are at the exact same stage of the quest you are).

    Part of it is just players being lazy and not liking to take any risks. The exp reward you get for clearing a delve in Craglorn for the first time is good! And doing the quests and delves is actually fun.

    I do the daily quests from time to time and join groups when I see someone asking in chat (daily quests are Seeker's Archive, Supreme Power, Critical Mass, Trials of Rahni-Za, Shada's Tear). Unfortunately I can't help people with the other quests as I've already completed them once :/ You see so many people trying to find 3 others that are at the same stage to do the final quest "The Missing Guardian" :/
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  • serenenightmare
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    Super_Sonico wrote: »
    I don't have any friends (save my husband and my son who don't play). I've never been good at making them or keeping them. Even people I know at work who game don't play ESO.

    ...

    Don't know what to tell you there. Casual guild or PvE guild is your best bet then. Craglorn right now is, sadly, a place for grinding.
    Edited by serenenightmare on September 12, 2014 12:22PM
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  • Brother_Numsie
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    c0rp wrote: »
    I'll say this again...to force grouping on a crowd of people with a server that has so many group instancing issues is the worse decision ZoS has made in this game.

    /Agree

    They really should have worked on the grouping issues first before releasing Craglorn. (Or the fix should have been released with Craglorn.)
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    Super_Sonico wrote: »
    I don't have any friends (save my husband and my son who don't play). I've never been good at making them or keeping them. Even people I know at work who game don't play ESO.

    Likewise. Bring the mercs :)
    Edited by Rune_Relic on September 12, 2014 1:52PM
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  • AlnilamE
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    I've done a couple of the Craglorn delves, but I went with guildies and we grouped up before we went there.

    What I dislike about Craglorn is that all the delves are 4-person dungeons rather than the regular delves where you can have any number of people in them. A couple of times when I first went there, another player asked to join our group and we had to decline because we were already 4. Which sucks, because usually we don't mind grouping with other players at all.

    But yes, if you can join a social guild, they are probably running regular events which include Craglorn quests/delves.
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  • Morvoldo
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    Super_Sonico wrote: »
    I've played since beta. Started my main at early launch. Played through all three factions on the same character. I though being able to do the other factions on one character was cool. Took my time. Explored all the areas. I've avoided PvP because of the imbalance issues, but now that I'm half way through VR11 I can probably survive enough to solo around Cyrodiil and find the things to do solo (dungeons, skyshards, etc.) So there's a little left to do there. Cool.

    Having finished the primary game though, I took my first trip to Craglorn. I resisted the temptation to go when it was launched because I wanted to experience the intended (?) progression of the game. (At least the intended progression in the way I perceived it.)

    After all this wonderful content that I could make my way through, mostly solo, but with the options of grouping up with nearby allies, I find Craglorn to be a huge disappointment.

    I get all starter quests in town. I know Craglorn requires grouping. Ok. Hit up zone chat for a group. Grind groups and time trials. No one interested in running quests. No one interested in just exploring. No one having fun playing the game. But rather low level VR's running in circles between the same 3 mobs, in a group of 12, getting 30k+ exp every 5 minutes. I don't even see how a group running quests in that area could even get to the quest content. The grind groups were competing for the spawns.

    This is endgame? What a let down. All that glorious progression through the 3 alliances at my own pace. All to come to a screeching halt, with plenty more road to be traveled, but impassable due to a drastic shift in how the content is presented. And the crappy behavior of the community.

    Sorry, but this is hugely disappointing. I'm sure this will fall on deaf ears. I know most of the community doesn't suck. Only the vocal ones. But Craglorn was filled with it tonight. The way the community was acting was awful. To have that overlap with such a drastic shift in how the game is played is just saddening. Because there's so much more content to experience, but no way to do it for players such as myself.

    I guess after I find the skyshards and delve the dungeons in Cyrodiil the game really is over. Sad.

    and this is one reason why i have now Unsubbed as i spent hours trying to get groups, as i dont wanna Grind..it sucks and the next couple of expansions are all group stuff also so that will turn into a grindfest. shame really as 1-50 is Awsome, Vet 1 to (well i got to 9 1/2 after cadwells) 10 or 11 is Passable (tho couldnt do it twice or more as it gets boring).

    I was soo looking forward to completing these quests but tis soo hard to get anyone to do these quests and if you do find someone they gotta be on Exactly the same point of the quest as you or you cant see them as of the phasing, such a let down

    such a shame as this game was/is really good but once you get to a specific points its just a borfest full of players doing nothing but grinding a set of bosses or dungeon (that you need expert DPS to be able to do Oh and Now not forgetting Need the ACHIEVEMENT.

    i love this game but now i've unsubbed to come back in a couple of months Maby.

    so i feel for you as was/am in the same state
    Edited by Morvoldo on September 12, 2014 2:25PM
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  • purple-magicb16_ESO
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    +agree Solo content finishes in early VR. Craglorn needs to have more solo option. Btw reading other posts, afaik pvp still unbalanced. I very "play your way" and rite now pvp is not pyw. Its very clicky & elitist. Nothing at all like the lore immersion and freedom that I signed up for. Not opposed to grouping either, just that I find it doesn't always work well. I love playing with others, just more in pugs.
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  • Xeres14
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    The advice I'd suggest is forming your group. This way you can dictate how the group should be in terms of TS and such. That may help.
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    Sallington wrote: »
    There's no way to be as coordinated as you need to be without some type of voice-chat. That goes for any type of competitive PvE and PvP. If a group is counting on the cooperation of everyone in a constantly changing environment, one person who doesn't hear a command or follow an order could screw it up for the rest of the group.

    Nobody is following orders. People are just flocking together like a herd. I was in that group for 45 minutes doing just fine until, oh, no TS. Kick. Stupid. Not needed at all.

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    Super_Sonico wrote: »
    Sallington wrote: »
    There's no way to be as coordinated as you need to be without some type of voice-chat. That goes for any type of competitive PvE and PvP. If a group is counting on the cooperation of everyone in a constantly changing environment, one person who doesn't hear a command or follow an order could screw it up for the rest of the group.

    Nobody is following orders. People are just flocking together like a herd. I was in that group for 45 minutes doing just fine until, oh, no TS. Kick. Stupid. Not needed at all.

    I've run with that group many many times where we had to be very coordinated. It's very obvious who wasn't paying attention or wasn't in TS.
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    Sallington wrote: »
    I've run with that group many many times where we had to be very coordinated. It's very obvious who wasn't paying attention or wasn't in TS.

    Sorry, but that's a BS excuse for a herd mentality. Watch the group icons on the map. For 'everyone being coordinated because of TS' there were 3 groups at different spots on the map not even playing together, and even the group leader was running around by himself half the time.


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