Bolt Escape - Just delete it

morvegil · September 2014

Seriously most over used power. Once you get max magicka regen u can just zip around. Last night a guy named [snip] was zipping in and out like a night blade....also doign 500-600 a hit with his little lighting balls. Thats pretty messed up hes doing what a NB does but way better.

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Mondo · September 2014

Yes Sorcerers Scrolls Online

theyancey · September 2014

No, just no.

Pseudonym · September 2014

Okay.

morvegil · September 2014

Mondo wrote: »

Yes Sorcerers Scrolls Online

Lol! I like this.

c0rp · September 2014

Might as well delete fire ring, snipe, ambush, whip, reflective shield, bats, vampires, immovable, harness magicka too since I see them being used a lot. This thread is dumb.

Welka · September 2014

I thought batswarm was the most used ability...

#confused

Can we stop whining about every other ability? It's beyond ridiculous at this stage...

Lag · September 2014

#Catchmeifyoucan™ #Ohwaityoucan't

EdTerra · September 2014

zipping in and out like a night blade

Merlin13KAGL · September 2014

morvegil wrote: »

Seriously most over used power. Once you get max magicka regen u can just zip around. Last night a guy named [snip] was zipping in and out like a night blade....also doign 500-600 a hit with his little lighting balls. Thats pretty messed up hes doing what a NB does but way better.

You understand the 'lightning balls' morphed version doesn't do damage, right? They absorb projectiles?

I also think your numbers might be a touch high.

It's a skill. Not an all-powerful one, not even one that can't be countered.

It's also hardly a finisher.

Learn the distance it involves, just like the Sorc's do, and guess what, guess where he's likely to land next?

You can't cast it infinitely, as there are costs involved. Get thumped on in between and its functionality ceases to be as useful as you make it out to be.

Have you ever played a Sorc? Have you ever seen how it functions from that perspective?

Can't take hits like DK's, can't go invisible and stealth attack like NB's...

If you're dying from nothing but BE, there are other issues at play.

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Nihili · September 2014

morvegil wrote: »

Seriously most over used power. Once you get max magicka regen u can just zip around. Last night a guy named [snip] was zipping in and out like a night blade....also doign 500-600 a hit with his little lighting balls. Thats pretty messed up hes doing what a NB does but way better.

My sorcerer killed you the other night.

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heyguyslol · September 2014

morvegil wrote: »

Seriously most over used power. Once you get max magicka regen u can just zip around. Last night a guy named [snip] was zipping in and out like a night blade....also doign 500-600 a hit with his little lighting balls. Thats pretty messed up hes doing what a NB does but way better.

lol its not overpowered I run nearly the exact same build as him, we just know how to play it well but like all builds there are weaknesses u just have to figure them out. [snip]

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LunaRae · September 2014

So hope that bolt escape bolt's away and never comes back?

heyguyslol · September 2014

LunaRae wrote: »

So hope that bolt escape bolt's away and never comes back?

Not gonna happen, bolt escape has been nerfed twice, if they nerf it anymore zos will break the ability and thankfully they wont do that :P

So either deal with it or go play another game.

Every class has their annoying ability that no body likes, templar has blazing shield, dk has dragons blood, nb has their vanish and sorc has bolt esc.

Vizier · September 2014

I get the frustration and BE is definitely in need of some tweaking, but this notion that it needs to be deleted is a bit ..umm.. how do I say it and still be nice and respectful...it's a bit reactionary and unnecessary.

It needs to be turned into a stun rather than disorient to give CC immunity once broken. The ability is not a finisher as some have said (duh) but it is that ability which allows for a sorc to utterly control their engagements. It sets them up for the killing blows by allowing them to engage totally on their terms and pretty much always have positional advantage.

Turn it into a stun, give CC immunity or limit it's ability to stun within so many seconds of initial bolt so stun is on the first bolt but not continuously applied.

jcost4o · September 2014

Or better yet be a newb sorc using this in Cyrodiil and zap yourself off a wall on accident into the middle of the opposition zerg. Not so fun. Users that have learned how to master this, my hat's off to you...Hate you...but hat's off.

ExiledKhallisi · September 2014

People who think sorcs are OP.... Lol. Have you ever played a sorc? I would say about 70% of their class skills are completely useless.

Stranglehands · September 2014

Rename cyrodiil to cryodiil while you're at it

jelliedsoup · September 2014

Bolt escape and devouring swarm are easily the most used skills. Hell I always see bats and just roll, sometimes by the time the lag kicks in I know whether they're from my side or not.

Problem with BE is it stuns in a very wide corridor, so it's like a stun aoe. Followed by an op aoe like devouring swarm means big damage to many. To be fair if I wanted to be a sorc and vamp I would do the same.

dcincali · September 2014

You do know where is a second or two between bolts where you can shield charge/ambush/javolen/etc etc... Instead of figuring out a counter, lets just cry for a nerf..

NorthernFury · September 2014

OP, this is so horribly ridiculous that I am embarrassed for you.

TheMachineKiller · September 2014

Uh, learn how to play your class man. //complain less about opposing classes.

JessieColt · September 2014

NorthernFury wrote: »

OP, this is so horribly ridiculous that I am embarrassed for you.

QFT!

ExiledKhallisi · September 2014

jelliedsoup wrote: »

Bolt escape and devouring swarm are easily the most used skills. Hell I always see bats and just roll, sometimes by the time the lag kicks in I know whether they're from my side or not.

Problem with BE is it stuns in a very wide corridor, so it's like a stun aoe. Followed by an op aoe like devouring swarm means big damage to many. To be fair if I wanted to be a sorc and vamp I would do the same.

Actual Most Used Skills in PVP:

-Immovable (Needs to be nerfed to where only 5pc heavy wearers can use it)
-Templar Blazing Shield Spam
-Block (Block casting needs to be nerfed and block itself needs to nerfed to frontal attacks only)
-Talons (This skill is fine except Soft CC needs to have Diminishing returns like Hard CC's)
-DK Standard Ultimate
-Silver Bolt spammers (I swear I hear the horrible sound effect in my sleep

Ryzium · September 2014

morvegil wrote: »

Seriously most over used power. Once you get max magicka regen u can just zip around. Last night a guy named [snip] was zipping in and out like a night blade....also doign 500-600 a hit with his little lighting balls. Thats pretty messed up hes doing what a NB does but way better.

LOL! [snip] is a great sorc and is one of top sorcs I have seen. I have no doubt that he was just rolling you and you have to cry about something because actually looking at your build would be so hard. When he shoots 8 light attacks at you from the overload ultimate roll dodge since you are a medium armor hybrid NB or stop crying and put on a sword and shield with the reflect ability or better yet (after you can morph it because im sure you have never even touched S/B) get the morph that absords the damage as health OMFG now you have a heal against sorcs, NBs, and templars. This thread just needs to be closed....Zeni, could you do that for me?

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tordr86b16_ESO · September 2014

Ryzium wrote: »

morvegil wrote: »

Seriously most over used power. Once you get max magicka regen u can just zip around. Last night a guy named [snip] was zipping in and out like a night blade....also doign 500-600 a hit with his little lighting balls. Thats pretty messed up hes doing what a NB does but way better.

LOL! [snip] is a great sorc and is one of top sorcs I have seen. I have no doubt that he was just rolling you and you have to cry about something because actually looking at your build would be so hard. When he shoots 8 light attacks at you from the overload ultimate roll dodge since you are a medium armor hybrid NB or stop crying and put on a sword and shield with the reflect ability or better yet (after you can morph it because im sure you have never even touched S/B) get the morph that absords the damage as health OMFG now you have a heal against sorcs, NBs, and templars. This thread just needs to be closed....Zeni, could you do that for me?

I agree, [snip]. Bolt escape got nerfed already in previous patches so this ability really isn't a big issue anymore.

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dodgehopper_ESO · September 2014

ExiledKhallisi wrote: »

jelliedsoup wrote: »

Bolt escape and devouring swarm are easily the most used skills. Hell I always see bats and just roll, sometimes by the time the lag kicks in I know whether they're from my side or not.

Problem with BE is it stuns in a very wide corridor, so it's like a stun aoe. Followed by an op aoe like devouring swarm means big damage to many. To be fair if I wanted to be a sorc and vamp I would do the same.

Actual Most Used Skills in PVP:

-Immovable (Needs to be nerfed to where only 5pc heavy wearers can use it)
-Templar Blazing Shield Spam
-Block (Block casting needs to be nerfed and block itself needs to nerfed to frontal attacks only)
-Talons (This skill is fine except Soft CC needs to have Diminishing returns like Hard CC's)
-DK Standard Ultimate
-Silver Bolt spammers (I swear I hear the horrible sound effect in my sleep

Tell you what, if they do that to Blazing Shield, I want them to make Radiant Aura heal like Green blooded, and last 20 seconds like green blooded. Until then, this is ridiculous. If Templar Tanks are tough, sorry, that's what a tank is supposed to be. Live with it.

wllstrt75b14_ESO · September 2014

The skill does not need to be deleted, but it should not do everything it does. It is an escape skill and should be that, not a zerg buster that has no AOE cap and generates unlimited amounts of ultimate.

2nd-the nerfs were fixes not nerfs, and much needed fixes. The skill still needs to lose its stun/disorientate if ya ask me.

But you or anyone will never win this argument as 60 plus percent o the chars in PvP are sorcerers and about 85% of them use the skill so in their minds it actually needs to be buffed to cause more damage.

Anyone with any intelligence knows the skill is op and can be used for multiple purposes such as generating mass amounts of ultimate allowing the spamming of bat swarm, of course its intended purpose escape, it is used to easily infiltrate keep gaps bypassing and stunning defenders that otherwise would have made it difficult to get passed.

you cant compare the skill to stealth as stealth is borken, becomes null and void with dots either offensive or defensive, can be undone via the NB's mark target morph making it useless, and the speed at which the skill moves does not cover nearly as much ground as BE.

But that's all logic talking and not some weird sense of sorcerer fantasy.

But they are correct the skill will have minor tweaks that really don't do crap to the efficiency of the skill because this is sorcerers online and zenicrap loves them some sorcerers..

so the solution..roll a sorcerer, quit complaining, or as they will tell you leave their game.

Phinix1 · September 2014

I'm really sorry to say it, because I truly love my Sorcerer, but BE is ridiculously unfair in PVP.

There are no effective counters (1v1 anyway. Groups can spread out to deny them ultimate and get them in a crossfire). I can spam Crippling Grasp (which also has a heavy DoT) and Mass Hysteria all day when their Immovable is down and they are in range and it does absolutely nothing. They just bolt out of it or roll and bolt.

Two bolts out of range, cheese regen their stats, then bolt in spam spam spam... all day. It is the invincible uber class and impossible to counter and I don't know what ZOS can do about it now that they have let it get this far, but it IS incredibly stupid in PVP.

If you see a Sorcerer and are not a Sorcerer, don't even bother thinking about taking them 1v1. It isn't a fair fight no matter how skilled you are. I should know. I just spent 5 minutes screwing around with one on my resto NB and finally got bored and stopped trying.

There is literally nothing you can do to them.

Phinix1 · September 2014

Ryzium wrote: »

morvegil wrote: »

Seriously most over used power. Once you get max magicka regen u can just zip around. Last night a guy named [snip] was zipping in and out like a night blade....also doign 500-600 a hit with his little lighting balls. Thats pretty messed up hes doing what a NB does but way better.

LOL! [snip] is a great sorc and is one of top sorcs I have seen. I have no doubt that he was just rolling you and you have to cry about something because actually looking at your build would be so hard. When he shoots 8 light attacks at you from the overload ultimate roll dodge since you are a medium armor hybrid NB or stop crying and put on a sword and shield with the reflect ability or better yet (after you can morph it because im sure you have never even touched S/B) get the morph that absords the damage as health OMFG now you have a heal against sorcs, NBs, and templars. This thread just needs to be closed....Zeni, could you do that for me?

Of all the classes, of all the builds, this ONE ABILITY requires you to gimp yourself in more areas than any other just to counter it.

Sure, you can create a build that has enough stamina to spam reflect (which reflects ONE attack, and if you read my last post, they can spam for DAYS by simply bolting out of range with two casts, cheese regen all their resources, then come back), but even with a build that is only good for one class and one ability, it STILL isn't enough, because stamina has no where near the regen of any magicka user let alone Sorc.

Stop trying to defend this OP imbalanced BS and just call it like it is. Every class has something that makes them stand out, and for the Sorcerer ZOS decided to give them a God Mode button in PVP.

dcincali wrote: »

You do know where is a second or two between bolts where you can shield charge/ambush/javolen/etc etc... Instead of figuring out a counter, lets just cry for a nerf..

Nope, sorry. Sorcerer has infinite magicka because they can out-range anything to regen, on top of the already superior regen of magicka in general, and they aren't using their stamina for anything but keeping Immovable up, constantly, with maybe the occasional roll-dodge. If they are low on either they bolt out of range and regen. It is god mode. Deal with it.

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Phinix1 · September 2014

Let me break it down for you:

Bar 1:

Healing Ward
Rapid Regen/Mutagen
Harness Magicka
Hardened Ward
Critical Surge
Atronach or situational ultimate

Bar 2:

Endless Fury
Immovable
Crystal Fragments
Streak
Velocious Curse
Soul Assault

Start off by tripple-shielding yourself. That is over 1.2k damage mitigation for the first 6 seconds, 900 or more for an additional 14sec during which all you have to do is streak away to regen a little and re-bubble.

Keep Immovable up constantly. Curse/DoT targets then streak through as big a group as possible. Build ultimate instantly. Use instant proc Crystal Fragment nukes and Endless Fury to finish. Soul Assault primary targets or drop atronach for kicks.

Bolt away when at 1/4 either stamina or magicka and cheese regen since no one is out of combat until you are dead to chase you down on a horse, then rinse and repeat.

Immovable makes sure you aren't knockable. Shields make sure you aren't burstable. Roll as needed.

You're welcome.

I honestly don't mind that Sorcerers have this.

It is a cool class. I just wish some of the other classes could be brought up to this level instead of knee-jerking to the nerf as the go-to solution to everything. Like if Nightblade cloak worked reliably.

I do NOT agree with making Immovable require heavy armor. This will just screw over classes that don't have such godly escape capabilities.

The main advantage Sorcerers have is that nothing has a chance to catch them. They are free to escape any confrontation at will, while the Nightblade, which is SUPPOSED to be the escape artist, gets BONED.

Broken cloak that doesn't even last for three seconds and breaks if someone sneezes at you.

Don't nerf, BALANCE.