Bolt Escape - Just delete it

Ryzium

morvegil wrote: »

Seriously most over used power. Once you get max magicka regen u can just zip around. Last night a guy named [snip] was zipping in and out like a night blade....also doign 500-600 a hit with his little lighting balls. Thats pretty messed up hes doing what a NB does but way better.

@Shunravi‌

This discussion is beyond idiotic. I have no problems with reasonable buff to NBs in certain areas so that they can be a more viable class in areas besides the resto staff + sword and shield. I want everyone to be able to play a build they enjoy and have fun. DO NOT confuse this with me saying that all builds should be viable in PvP and trials. This is END GAME content. If you do this with a build that doesnt have good synergy with your class, race, and weapon skill lines then it is your own fault that you arent having fun. This is a competitive game. This isnt a single player TES game where you can run around as a sneaky guy in heavy armor who uses bound weapons and likes to 1 shot people. MMOs dont work that way.

When you go into PvP with a stamina build you will almost always lose an extended fight. Not because you are a bad player but because everyone else is using light armor, bubbles and shields so either you burst them, or they survive and kill you...or you or them run away. This is not a NB problem, this is a stamina build problem. If you could get the stamina back that you do for magicka stamina builds would be much more viable. But they have to be careful. Stamina abilities are much easier to get a lower cost with than magicka on top of magicka abilities costing more generally across the board.

Crying about players who understand how to get the best synergy in their build is not only rude to those players but makes you out to be a fool as well. Complain about stamina build being under powered, they are, complain about some abilities in the NB skill line not working correctly, they aren't, complain about ZOS being slow to react to players feedback in certain areas, they are, BUT FOR THE LOVE OF AKATOSH STOP COMPLAINING ABOUT GOOD PLAYERS MAKING THE BEST BUILD THEY CAN

In closing, just because someones build is better than yours, FOR WHATEVER REASON, does not give you the right to complain about it or ask to bring them down to your level. BRING YOURSELF UP TO THEIR LEVEL

[Moderator Note: Edited quote to match moderated version]

renton1x1x1

i hear hello kiitty online has a new expansion coming out that might be a better fit for you.

Phinix1

Ryzium wrote: »

@Shunravi‌

This discussion is beyond idiotic. I have no problems with reasonable buff to NBs in certain areas so that they can be a more viable class in areas besides the resto staff + sword and shield. I want everyone to be able to play a build they enjoy and have fun. DO NOT confuse this with me saying that all builds should be viable in PvP and trials. This is END GAME content. If you do this with a build that doesnt have good synergy with your class, race, and weapon skill lines then it is your own fault that you arent having fun. This is a competitive game. This isnt a single player TES game where you can run around as a sneaky guy in heavy armor who uses bound weapons and likes to 1 shot people. MMOs dont work that way.

When you go into PvP with a stamina build you will almost always lose an extended fight. Not because you are a bad player but because everyone else is using light armor, bubbles and shields so either you burst them, or they survive and kill you...or you or them run away. This is not a NB problem, this is a stamina build problem. If you could get the stamina back that you do for magicka stamina builds would be much more viable. But they have to be careful. Stamina abilities are much easier to get a lower cost with than magicka on top of magicka abilities costing more generally across the board.

Crying about players who understand how to get the best synergy in their build is not only rude to those players but makes you out to be a fool as well. Complain about stamina build being under powered, they are, complain about some abilities in the NB skill line not working correctly, they aren't, complain about ZOS being slow to react to players feedback in certain areas, they are, BUT FOR THE LOVE OF AKATOSH STOP COMPLAINING ABOUT GOOD PLAYERS MAKING THE BEST BUILD THEY CAN

In closing, just because someones build is better than yours, FOR WHATEVER REASON, does not give you the right to complain about it or ask to bring them down to your level. BRING YOURSELF UP TO THEIR LEVEL

The point is well taken.

However, to be fair, I don't think anyone here was suggesting being able to sneak around in heavy armor with bound weapons 1-shotting people.

Of course a certain amount of it comes down to skill, both in your command of your character in battle as well as your command of their abilities when theorycrafting your build.

The problem here isn't some hypothetical skill gap. The issue many have with this particular ability occurs when one can assume an equal level of skill and intelligent design of class synergies build for build

The problem with the Sorcerer, if it is really a problem, is what you yourself have pointed out: REGEN. He who sustains, reigns.

Show my ANY other class that, when the going gets tough, can simply bolt out of range and completely regen their resources? Not even the Nightblade can pull that off.

Your other point is somewhat invalidated by the fact that Sorcerers also happen to have some of if not the best burst capabilities in the game. Velocious Curse plus a Streak or two with some Endless Fury and instant proc Crystal Fragments... That's a nasty combination to try and counter when they are already out of range by the time you realize what hit you.

Maybe level 1 to vet 12 was meant to teach you something:

TAB-TARGET FOCUS FIRE THE SORCERER DOWN FIRST.

Ryzium

AlienDiplomat wrote: »

Ryzium wrote: »

@Shunravi‌

This discussion is beyond idiotic. I have no problems with reasonable buff to NBs in certain areas so that they can be a more viable class in areas besides the resto staff + sword and shield. I want everyone to be able to play a build they enjoy and have fun. DO NOT confuse this with me saying that all builds should be viable in PvP and trials. This is END GAME content. If you do this with a build that doesnt have good synergy with your class, race, and weapon skill lines then it is your own fault that you arent having fun. This is a competitive game. This isnt a single player TES game where you can run around as a sneaky guy in heavy armor who uses bound weapons and likes to 1 shot people. MMOs dont work that way.

When you go into PvP with a stamina build you will almost always lose an extended fight. Not because you are a bad player but because everyone else is using light armor, bubbles and shields so either you burst them, or they survive and kill you...or you or them run away. This is not a NB problem, this is a stamina build problem. If you could get the stamina back that you do for magicka stamina builds would be much more viable. But they have to be careful. Stamina abilities are much easier to get a lower cost with than magicka on top of magicka abilities costing more generally across the board.

Crying about players who understand how to get the best synergy in their build is not only rude to those players but makes you out to be a fool as well. Complain about stamina build being under powered, they are, complain about some abilities in the NB skill line not working correctly, they aren't, complain about ZOS being slow to react to players feedback in certain areas, they are, BUT FOR THE LOVE OF AKATOSH STOP COMPLAINING ABOUT GOOD PLAYERS MAKING THE BEST BUILD THEY CAN

In closing, just because someones build is better than yours, FOR WHATEVER REASON, does not give you the right to complain about it or ask to bring them down to your level. BRING YOURSELF UP TO THEIR LEVEL

The point is well taken.

However, to be fair, I don't think anyone here was suggesting being able to sneak around in heavy armor with bound weapons 1-shotting people.

Of course a certain amount of it comes down to skill, both in your command of your character in battle as well as your command of their abilities when theorycrafting your build.

The problem here isn't some hypothetical skill gap. The issue many have with this particular ability occurs when one can assume an equal level of skill and intelligent design of class synergies build for build

The problem with the Sorcerer, if it is really a problem, is what you yourself have pointed out: REGEN. He who sustains, reigns.

Show my ANY other class that, when the going gets tough, can simply bolt out of range and completely regen their resources? Not even the Nightblade can pull that off.

Your other point is somewhat invalidated by the fact that Sorcerers also happen to have some of if not the best burst capabilities in the game. Velocious Curse plus a Streak or two with some Endless Fury and instant proc Crystal Fragments... That's a nasty combination to try and counter when they are already out of range by the time you realize what hit you.

Maybe level 1 to vet 12 was meant to teach you something:

TAB-TARGET FOCUS FIRE THE SORCERER DOWN FIRST.

The heavy armor thing was about other TES games not this game. Sorcerer have magicka recovery and almost no stamina recovery. If you are saying they can just run away and regen they are built to be able to. They do have good burst sorcs have the best in combat bursting. Blocking streak + mages fury + crystal frags is only about 600 damage velocious will hit for another 500 because you can't block it. PvP is all about tanking their burst and setting up your own. A character than can't last in combat for more than 20 seconds against an equally skilled opponent is either a bad player or has a terrible build. My argument has nothing to do with how good sorcs are. Sorcs are very good. NBs are good too of you play the as a magic build. Stamina builds aren't good right now. I hope that changes but until then this is what we have. Adapt to what is good or die and get upset just don't vent on the forums it should be used for more constructive discussions.

Makkir

In the words of Dr. Evil, how bout nooooooo

Junkogen

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

morvegil wrote: »

Seriously most over used power. Once you get max magicka regen u can just zip around. Last night a guy named [snip] was zipping in and out like a night blade....also doign 500-600 a hit with his little lighting balls. Thats pretty messed up hes doing what a NB does but way better.

You understand the 'lightning balls' morphed version doesn't do damage, right? They absorb projectiles?

I also think your numbers might be a touch high.

It's a skill. Not an all-powerful one, not even one that can't be countered.

It's also hardly a finisher.

Learn the distance it involves, just like the Sorc's do, and guess what, guess where he's likely to land next?

You can't cast it infinitely, as there are costs involved. Get thumped on in between and its functionality ceases to be as useful as you make it out to be.

Have you ever played a Sorc? Have you ever seen how it functions from that perspective?

Can't take hits like DK's, can't go invisible and stealth attack like NB's...

If you're dying from nothing but BE, there are other issues at play.

NBs can't go invisible and stealth like NBs either. Our skills are broken.

[Moderator Note: Edited quote to match moderated version]

Phinix1

Junkogen wrote: »

NBs can't go invisible and stealth like NBs either. Our skills are broken.

This more than anything else is what has me a little miffed.

I dueled a VERY good Sorc on my resto NB today... Wish I remembered their name because I do respect good play and they were very good. Querv or something like that...

Anyway, they executed everything I mentioned above perfectly. Shield stacking, burst waves, always keeping Immovable up, double bolting away to regen and set up the next wave...

I was able to keep up a similar rotation, though without their 1k damage Hardened Ward which in itself is a little silly, especially since it lasts 20 seconds...

I would Healing Ward, Rapid Regen, stealth. Then try to get my position set up before Immovable, Mass Hysteria, Crippling Grasp, Funnel Health with light attack weaving, Impale at lower health, Soul Assault or Soul Tether for an ultimate, blocking during their waves...

The problem was, cloak kept breaking. It would break when they would take damage from MY Crippling grasp. Apparently they will be fixing this in Update 4. Gods I hope so because the class is broken as it is.

I might have stood a chance otherwise, even though Mass Hysteria NEVER feared them, Crippling Grasp NEVER rooted them, and Soul Tether NEVER stunned them. That is immunity to ALL CC.

Immovable prevents hard CC, BE removes soft CC.

Still, with the ability to cloak and get distance for stealth, combined with intelligent placement, I MIGHT have been able to outlast them. But that is only because I am built for EXTREME regen.

As it is, I would have to play my character MUCH better than they played theirs in order to prevail, and even then, they would probably have just picked an opportune moment to Soul Assault or simply bolt away.

People need to keep in mind that NB is limited to sneak speed when they cloak. Even if cloak actually ever worked for the full 2.9 seconds, you can't cover a third of the distance of a single Sorcerer BE in that time.

Reveal potions, the detection morph for Mage Light, and several gear sets basically negate OUR escape capabilities, since we are moving too slow to get out of that 20 yards extra detection radius.

I can't simply drink a potion to completely negate any other class's archetypal power skill. O.o

Vizier

ExiledKhallisi wrote: »

People who think sorcs are OP.... Lol. Have you ever played a sorc? I would say about 70% of their class skills are completely useless.

People blinded by their brilliance... +1 LOL.

If you needed any other class skills I might shed a tear.

Asking for the skill to be Deleted, though is too much QQ as well...shrug.

Draxuul

don`t you all just love it when people come here to rant after they see a good player using a good build in pvp.

OMG there is no way i could ever kill this guy so i better go to forums and ask the dev to nerf him , he`s way too good , he should be illegal .

reminds me of a post i saw some time ago where a guy got reported after almost killing another guy with one hit .

I`m really glad the word pathetic was invented because i really love to use it in situations likes these .

Edit: i forgot to add that there is a difference between knowing how to press a key to use an ability and knowing when to press that key to use the ability. And that difference is what makes some players look OP to the eyes of others.
Player skill for the win.

Draxuul

Mondo

BE is ok but its not expensive enough. It shouldnt be spammable like it is

Teargrants

Bolt Escape so OP, totally the most unbalanced aspect of the entire game. Sorcs just burst everything down in seconds, nothing can defend against it. Mhm.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5DZUlLBjqU

Mendoze

Heh, and yet another "I don't know how to use block and I don't over exaggerate at all" -player's nerf bolt escape thread turned to "I can't spam my opponent full of DoTs and go invis" thread. Could moderator just close this? We already have like 5 of these.

Artis

Nerfs in previous patched don't mean anything now, when they raised soft caps. BE needs to be nerfed again.

Teargrants

Artemis wrote: »

Nerfs in previous patched don't mean anything now, when they raised soft caps. BE needs to be nerfed again.

I have 400 more magicka now, that equates to the cost of 1 additional BE w/ the cost increase debuff. And I get about 33 more in combat magicka regen which equates to 1 additional BE about every 25 seconds.

How does this make the previous nerfs meaningless, or is that just what you tell yourself?

Cathrin

Always the same, delete this, nerf that!

Really, let's remove all skills from the game. Only light and heavy attacks + block.

Sorry, but these threads from people whining about other classes skills are just annoying.

Every class has something, that is bad for another class so in the end, all is balanced.

Mondo

Cathrin wrote: »

Always the same, delete this, nerf that!

Really, let's remove all skills from the game. Only light and heavy attacks + block.

Sorry, but these threads from people whining about other classes skills are just annoying.

Every class has something, that is bad for another class so in the end, all is balanced.

Light attack is instant pls nerf

okraus

Wait, wait...

Can i too make a list of all abilities and/or classes who annoy me and then go ask ZOS to delete those?

Sorry but one of the dumbest threads i saw on these forums for a long time...

Just to let you know... the concept of "blink" or "teleportation" for mages is very old and was used in the past in ton of games. It is mostly a core mechanic for glass cannons / cloth-wearer / soft targets to move around the battlefield and having a slightly little chance to stay alive when being caught in the middle of a fight. One of the most important tools for positioning and re-positioning and of course escaping.
Take that away from Sorcs and you would wipe out a big part of the whole sorcerer population. You could have asked maybe to reduce the damage of streak or discuss about the cc effect (disorient) but asking to delete is just stupid!
But anyway... when i see you mentioning the little lightning balls i can estimate that you know nearly nothing about sorc game mechanics or morphs at all.

I am annoyed by ambush, i am annoyed by vamipres - nearly in every death report i get there is at least 1 cloud swarm in it, i am annoyed of ppl running around in stealth nearly as fast as myself in a horse, i am annoyed by every player who owns me in 1vs1 situation, i am annoyed by zergballs/bombsquads, i am annoyed being overrun by a zerg... ah wait... can we actually delete zergs please?
But please... do i ask this stuff to get deleted?!

Phinix1

Mendoze wrote: »

Heh, and yet another "I don't know how to use block and I don't over exaggerate at all" -player's nerf bolt escape thread turned to "I can't spam my opponent full of DoTs and go invis" thread. Could moderator just close this? We already have like 5 of these.

Cathrin wrote: »

Always the same, delete this, nerf that!

Really, let's remove all skills from the game. Only light and heavy attacks + block.

Sorry, but these threads from people whining about other classes skills are just annoying.

Every class has something, that is bad for another class so in the end, all is balanced.

You guys... While I DON'T agree with the OP, and as I have said I do NOT support nerfing as the only way to balance, I DO support balance. I am sorry but being snarky and sarcastic back at the OP doesn't help your case.

Try reading some of my previous posts. The ability is OP, not by itself, but for what it allows.

Artemis wrote: »

Nerfs in previous patched don't mean anything now, when they raised soft caps. BE needs to be nerfed again.

THIS GUY understands. As I tried to say, it is NOT an issue of L2P it is an issue of fairness in resources. A person will run out of stamina trying to block LONG before a Sorc will run out of magicka.

Just watch that video above for a perfect example.

The Sorcerer is never in any real danger. They just peck away at the block spammer (which is incredibly BORING by the way), while regenerating magicka three times faster than their opponent can regenerate stamina.

Sure they can drag the fight out, but in the end, however long it takes, their oponent will only delay the inevitable because the longer they turtle, the less stamina they have not only to block, but to attack. The longer the fight lasts, the less danger the Sorcerer is in.

As it is now, either you get the jump on the Sorc out of stealth and burn them down before they can move, or you lose. Worst case scenario, they bolt out of your charge range and taunt you while they regen.

Get mad and call me names if you must, but I'm just calling it like it is. I think ZOS's many nerfs have made people gun shy and they fear their favorite god mode class will be ruined if people talk about it, and they may be right.

Personally, I would rather ZOS do something to give other classes a chance. Easier said than done though.

morvegil

[snip] There is no "l2P" factor here. If a dude can keep hiz around me and im supposed to "predict where he'll go"....im not a damn Jedi. Whats messed up is I did Ambush and hit him for like 300 dmg...then he whizzes off and no matter what damage i do its barely 200-300...yet hes hitting me for 400-700 which crystal fragments...or the OVERPOWERED OVERLOAD LIGHT ATTACK.

Such a crock...stop making excuses...I've played MMO's since the 90's...i know a broke class when i see it.

My hope is Zenimax is waiting to bump the NB with the Dark Brotherhood ***.

[edited for flaming]

morvegil

AlienDiplomat wrote: »

I'm really sorry to say it, because I truly love my Sorcerer, but BE is ridiculously unfair in PVP.

There are no effective counters (1v1 anyway. Groups can spread out to deny them ultimate and get them in a crossfire). I can spam Crippling Grasp (which also has a heavy DoT) and Mass Hysteria all day when their Immovable is down and they are in range and it does absolutely nothing. They just bolt out of it or roll and bolt.

Two bolts out of range, cheese regen their stats, then bolt in spam spam spam... all day. It is the invincible uber class and impossible to counter and I don't know what ZOS can do about it now that they have let it get this far, but it IS incredibly stupid in PVP.

If you see a Sorcerer and are not a Sorcerer, don't even bother thinking about taking them 1v1. It isn't a fair fight no matter how skilled you are. I should know. I just spent 5 minutes screwing around with one on my resto NB and finally got bored and stopped trying.

There is literally nothing you can do to them.

You are correct. If people dont see that most of PVP are sorcs...they are just blind...

Sorceror Scrolls Online.

Junkogen

AlienDiplomat wrote: »

Junkogen wrote: »

NBs can't go invisible and stealth like NBs either. Our skills are broken.

This more than anything else is what has me a little miffed.

I dueled a VERY good Sorc on my resto NB today... Wish I remembered their name because I do respect good play and they were very good. Querv or something like that...

Anyway, they executed everything I mentioned above perfectly. Shield stacking, burst waves, always keeping Immovable up, double bolting away to regen and set up the next wave...

I was able to keep up a similar rotation, though without their 1k damage Hardened Ward which in itself is a little silly, especially since it lasts 20 seconds...

I would Healing Ward, Rapid Regen, stealth. Then try to get my position set up before Immovable, Mass Hysteria, Crippling Grasp, Funnel Health with light attack weaving, Impale at lower health, Soul Assault or Soul Tether for an ultimate, blocking during their waves...

The problem was, cloak kept breaking. It would break when they would take damage from MY Crippling grasp. Apparently they will be fixing this in Update 4. Gods I hope so because the class is broken as it is.

I might have stood a chance otherwise, even though Mass Hysteria NEVER feared them, Crippling Grasp NEVER rooted them, and Soul Tether NEVER stunned them. That is immunity to ALL CC.

Immovable prevents hard CC, BE removes soft CC.

Still, with the ability to cloak and get distance for stealth, combined with intelligent placement, I MIGHT have been able to outlast them. But that is only because I am built for EXTREME regen.

As it is, I would have to play my character MUCH better than they played theirs in order to prevail, and even then, they would probably have just picked an opportune moment to Soul Assault or simply bolt away.

People need to keep in mind that NB is limited to sneak speed when they cloak. Even if cloak actually ever worked for the full 2.9 seconds, you can't cover a third of the distance of a single Sorcerer BE in that time.

Reveal potions, the detection morph for Mage Light, and several gear sets basically negate OUR escape capabilities, since we are moving too slow to get out of that 20 yards extra detection radius.

I can't simply drink a potion to completely negate any other class's archetypal power skill. O.o

Amen. What has me miffed is that all this is going on and then high-level developers come out and say how they always play as a night blade and what not. I'm not sure they're playing the same game then. Dark cloak is worthless in combat right now. It always breaks for me.

The thing with night blades, as many have said before me, is that all our abilities don't work properly or they have steep costs/negative effects associated with using them, while other classes just get straight up buffs from their abilities and they actually work. If this is the result of the developers' playing as night blades so much, then I wish they would stop playing nightblade and play something else so other classes could get "balanced" in such a way.

morvegil

Thts right...i wish i didnt get the "Sit around for 5 minutes until you can sneak again" *** either.

Zhoyzu

the hard counter to bolt escape is not chasing.

if they're gonna *** out and run with their tail between their legs let them.

bolt escape is only OP as all hell if you arent smart enough to not chase them. GGWP

Vatter

hahaha so funny that such a large amount of forum viewers are sorc players and defend to the death that BE is not the most overused and op skill in the game that can be spammed over and over and over and over.

I think they can solve all of this by putting the skill as is in the mages skill line for everyone to use. and make no mistake, EVERY SINGLE PLAYER WOULD use it.

I can already hear the crying from people as I would be zipping around the battle field while spamming blazing shield and devouring swarm.

Vahrokh

Kirsika wrote: »

Bolt Escape so OP, totally the most unbalanced aspect of the entire game. Sorcs just burst everything down in seconds, nothing can defend against it. Mhm.

"Burst everything in seconds..."

That video shows a sorc using all his skills flawlessy and spamming pots for 1:50 without the other guy health budging more than a flinch. That's hardly "bursting everything down in seconds".

So, a guy is nipping at somebody else's health for close to 2 minutes, without bolt he'd get 3 shot if he did not have shields (something which is not exclusive of sorcs).

Il looks like the other PvP games forums: "WHAA clothies won't stand nice and still while I whack at them => NERF!"

Vahrokh

morvegil wrote: »

You are correct. If people dont see that most of PVP are sorcs...they are just blind...

Sorceror Scrolls Online.

Sorcs flood PvP because in PvE they are only useful for fresh starting up guilds. Doing AA? First attempts you bring 4 sorcs, then 3. Then once the last boss is down you only bring 1 with good gear or 2 tops. More than that, you are just hurting your raid performance because their sustained DPS is the lowest out there except templars.

At the same time everybody finds holy right and fair that 5-6 NBs have a fixed spot in the raid and finds just fitting to invite any DK because they can tank or DPS blowing sorcs out of the water as much as they want.

If you get 5-6 NBs in a raid and only 1-2 sorcs, guess where the other sorcs are going to go? To PvP. It's not like in this game there's anything else to do at end game besides trials or PvP.

smeeprocketnub19_ESO

AlienDiplomat wrote: »

I'm really sorry to say it, because I truly love my Sorcerer, but BE is ridiculously unfair in PVP.

There are no effective counters (1v1 anyway. Groups can spread out to deny them ultimate and get them in a crossfire). I can spam Crippling Grasp (which also has a heavy DoT) and Mass Hysteria all day when their Immovable is down and they are in range and it does absolutely nothing. They just bolt out of it or roll and bolt.

Two bolts out of range, cheese regen their stats, then bolt in spam spam spam... all day. It is the invincible uber class and impossible to counter and I don't know what ZOS can do about it now that they have let it get this far, but it IS incredibly stupid in PVP.

If you see a Sorcerer and are not a Sorcerer, don't even bother thinking about taking them 1v1. It isn't a fair fight no matter how skilled you are. I should know. I just spent 5 minutes screwing around with one on my resto NB and finally got bored and stopped trying.

There is literally nothing you can do to them.

yes but naturally they have to nerf night's silence into the ground. If I don't get my speed buff, they shouldn't either, make it a stun that doesn't displace you.

Also, I had a kickass fight with a sorcerer recently, and she only used bolt escape to get out of my grasp before coming back into the fight. I suspect she would have stayed in range to die if I had beaten her. We were at a standstill so I started trying some risky tactics, and it didn't work.

Teargrants

Vahrokh wrote: »

"Burst everything in seconds..."

That video shows a sorc using all his skills flawlessy and spamming pots for 1:50 without the other guy health budging more than a flinch. That's hardly "bursting everything down in seconds".

So, a guy is nipping at somebody else's health for close to 2 minutes, without bolt he'd get 3 shot if he did not have shields (something which is not exclusive of sorcs).

Il looks like the other PvP games forums: "WHAA clothies won't stand nice and still while I whack at them => NERF!"

LOL dude that was my point, I was being sarcastic: I'm the sorc in the vid. And the fight had actually been going on for about 4-5 minutes before the point you see in the vid.

PlagueMonk

Junkogen wrote: »

AlienDiplomat wrote: »

Junkogen wrote: »

NBs can't go invisible and stealth like NBs either. Our skills are broken.

This more than anything else is what has me a little miffed.

I dueled a VERY good Sorc on my resto NB today... Wish I remembered their name because I do respect good play and they were very good. Querv or something like that...

Anyway, they executed everything I mentioned above perfectly. Shield stacking, burst waves, always keeping Immovable up, double bolting away to regen and set up the next wave...

I was able to keep up a similar rotation, though without their 1k damage Hardened Ward which in itself is a little silly, especially since it lasts 20 seconds...

I would Healing Ward, Rapid Regen, stealth. Then try to get my position set up before Immovable, Mass Hysteria, Crippling Grasp, Funnel Health with light attack weaving, Impale at lower health, Soul Assault or Soul Tether for an ultimate, blocking during their waves...

The problem was, cloak kept breaking. It would break when they would take damage from MY Crippling grasp. Apparently they will be fixing this in Update 4. Gods I hope so because the class is broken as it is.

I might have stood a chance otherwise, even though Mass Hysteria NEVER feared them, Crippling Grasp NEVER rooted them, and Soul Tether NEVER stunned them. That is immunity to ALL CC.

Immovable prevents hard CC, BE removes soft CC.

Still, with the ability to cloak and get distance for stealth, combined with intelligent placement, I MIGHT have been able to outlast them. But that is only because I am built for EXTREME regen.

As it is, I would have to play my character MUCH better than they played theirs in order to prevail, and even then, they would probably have just picked an opportune moment to Soul Assault or simply bolt away.

People need to keep in mind that NB is limited to sneak speed when they cloak. Even if cloak actually ever worked for the full 2.9 seconds, you can't cover a third of the distance of a single Sorcerer BE in that time.

Reveal potions, the detection morph for Mage Light, and several gear sets basically negate OUR escape capabilities, since we are moving too slow to get out of that 20 yards extra detection radius.

I can't simply drink a potion to completely negate any other class's archetypal power skill. O.o

Amen. What has me miffed is that all this is going on and then high-level developers come out and say how they always play as a night blade and what not. I'm not sure they're playing the same game then. Dark cloak is worthless in combat right now. It always breaks for me.

The thing with night blades, as many have said before me, is that all our abilities don't work properly or they have steep costs/negative effects associated with using them, while other classes just get straight up buffs from their abilities and they actually work. If this is the result of the developers' playing as night blades so much, then I wish they would stop playing nightblade and play something else so other classes could get "balanced" in such a way.

hear hear! Not that I want to derail this thread (well I don't agree with removal) but NBs put up wit a lot of crap.

- Broken Dark Cloak that either doesn't wipe negative effects (I have been slowed and gone invisible and...nothing or had a NPC mender cast unstable core on me, I go DC and.......it's still on me?!). And why exactly does purge remove reaper's but our DC ability doesn't wipe our OWN abilities?
- All of our CC abilities can just be negated by one roll out or outright just do not work (this is both in PvP and PvE). I use Incap Strike and in PvP it has NEVER stunned anyone. An ultimate should not be so easily marginalized.
- Why does the NB class have no general "sneak" passive? (conceal weapon is the only place we can increase it but what if I don't take that skill?) We should, as a class, be able to sneak better and faster than a Vamp Templar.
- Why are ALL classes able to negate our damage by just throwing up a block? (not to mention what you listed above for Sorc!). If I see a Temp with Blazing Shield up or put it up I just leave because it's like beating your head against a brick wall.

I can see attacking someone in plate armor with a shield to be an uphill battle but a blocking skirt wearer should be at a decided disadvantage. You have demonstrated otherwise.

- Why are NBs the only class with no good defensive ability like say Dragon Blood? (even if DC worked as intended, 2.9 secs of invisibility is not what I would consider great esp with all of the ways to negate invisibility)

There is more, much more but I experience these problems on a daily basis. We need to have the same synergy that the DK or Sorc classes have.

RSram

Bolt escape and overlord combo are my world boss killers, can't live with out them