How Many players in ESO currently?
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Nocturnalis✭✭✭...time will prove me right in any case, and when that time comes, I'll be here to rub it in your faces, you can count on it
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@magnusnet
Denying will lead us nowhere. Nowhere good at least..
What do you propose the forum do about the declining numbers? Offer some constructive advice, if you really care about ESO players being in denial...
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✭✭Nocturnalis wrote: »...time will prove me right in any case, and when that time comes, I'll be here to rub it in your faces, you can count on it.
@magnusnet
Denying will lead us nowhere. Nowhere good at least..
What do you propose the forum do about the declining numbers? Offer some constructive advice, if you really care about ESO players being in denial...
Constructive advice? Here's a list of threads I've started to try to make this game better (without counting all the /feedback, bot reports and bug reports on PTS and Beta). They may not be always great ideas but at least I'm doing something more than just complaining (and btw, I mostly support what ZOS does, doesn't mean I'm gonna say Amen to everything like some fanboys around here). As for this thread, I just wanted to prove wrong the people in denial that say the game is doing well because fact is: It probably isn't.
Improve grouping which is one of the main reasons a lot of people hate grouping:
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/123968/introducing-grouping-2-0#latest
Asking for optional improvements on the User Interface where even Wykkyd commented to say the "minimalist" user interface is BS:
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/130249/the-future-of-the-user-interface-which-is-currently-awfull#latest
Idea to keep people happy when ZOS does armor sets changes that render sets utterly useless after nerfs:
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/127932/do-you-want-to-recover-all-upgrading-materials-when-deconstructing-legendary-items-after-a-patch#latest
Asking for a server reboot since lag is horrible (there was no maintenance planed untill Update 4 next week but they decided to run maintenance this week):
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/130864/dear-zos-please-reboot-eu-servers-lag-is-worse-than-ever#latest
What have you done besides coming here and judging?
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FlinkeKlinge✭✭✭The EU Server has a more then healthy and growing playerbase.
When im questing in the VR zones with my main, there is always people around, no matter where i´m at and what time of the day it is.
Both my main guilds ( one for pvp and one for pve) gone up in numbers, since i joined them, same with my Trading Guilds.
Made an Alt a few days back, actually looking forward to play on the starter island, as they are a nice place to farm materials, because many people tend to skip it. Well, not so anymore it seems, the island was packed with people, on 2pm on a working day, mind you.
The game is far from dieing, actually it is growing steadily on the EU side.
"When you die, it just instantly robs life of many pleasures."
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JoffyToffy69✭✭✭✭Nocturnalis wrote: »...time will prove me right in any case, and when that time comes, I'll be here to rub it in your faces, you can count on it.
@magnusnet
Denying will lead us nowhere. Nowhere good at least..
What do you propose the forum do about the declining numbers? Offer some constructive advice, if you really care about ESO players being in denial...
To clarify, if the game's population is in decline, I believe it's due to the console gamers who do not like mmos. They were expecting Skyrim and where disappointed. However, console gamers and casual gamers tend to be more 'vocal' in their opinion and like to declare success and failure on their own opinion. They also tend to be sheepish and follow suit. If x many people complain, maybe they're right..?
and with this survey/ hours played program nonsense, it's apparent in this thread that most eso players do not use any of these programs.
It's reasonable to suggest that this is not accurate information to estimate the population of eso.
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He's just trying to get ahead of the game here.
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Rodario✭✭✭✭✭Ok, I'm gonna fabricate some wild estimates based purely on assumptions as well. 83'525 people currently have the first comment badge. Lets assume that only active accounts are counted. Say there's another 16'475 lurkers to get to an even 100k accounts. Assume only 10% of players participate in the forums. That means 1'000'000 active accounts! Not bad at all. Probably wildly inaccurate, but not bad at all.
Allow me to blow your numbers away. You assumed that only active accounts are counted. Your wrong. I no longer have an active sub; it was cancelled, but yet I am still posting and have that badge, so using forums as a means of counting is not going to work.
Your account must still be active @Talrenos (cancelled, but with remaining game time), because every time my subscription renewal payment fails my forum account becomes inaccessible as well.Victoria Lux - Templar Tank
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GamerzElite✭✭✭772,374 subscribers according to SuperData report published on vg247.com. That report published on 18th July. Article link is below:
vg247.com/2014/07/18/elder-scrolls-online-subscription-numbers/Edited by GamerzElite on September 10, 2014 3:39PM0 -
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✭✭JoffyToffy69 wrote: »Nocturnalis wrote: »...time will prove me right in any case, and when that time comes, I'll be here to rub it in your faces, you can count on it.
@magnusnet
Denying will lead us nowhere. Nowhere good at least..
What do you propose the forum do about the declining numbers? Offer some constructive advice, if you really care about ESO players being in denial...
To clarify, if the game's population is in decline, I believe it's due to the console gamers who do not like mmos. They were expecting Skyrim and where disappointed. However, console gamers and casual gamers tend to be more 'vocal' in their opinion and like to declare success and failure on their own opinion. They also tend to be sheepish and follow suit. If x many people complain, maybe they're right..?
and with this survey/ hours played program nonsense, it's apparent in this thread that most eso players do not use any of these programs.
It's reasonable to suggest that this is not accurate information to estimate the population of eso.
#1: It's not due to console gamers. Hard Core gaming guilds left before summer because they ended up hating PVP. Solo Players (that IMO shouldn't be the primary focus of the dev team in an MMORPG) are leaving because they claim they don't have more solo content after VR10 and I agree with you here, they expected something like Skyrim and where extremely disapointed. PVE players are leaving because once you've cleared AA & Hel Ra HM and got all the armor sets there's nothing left to do in PVE (these players will prolly return on Update 4).
#2: Let's use simplistic numbers to try to explain this:
Let's say If there are 100 million gamers in the world and only 5 games available, each gamer only plays ONE game. Game 1 has 30 million users, Game 2: 25 million, game 3: 20 million, game 4: 15 million and game 5: 10 million.
Let's say of those 100 million users, 1 million uses Raptr or any tool that records the time they spend on each game they play. Out of those 1 million and as long as Games 1 to 5 don't push their players to use Raptr, you will have more or less 300K players for game 1, 250k for game 2, 200k for game 3, 150k for game 4 and 100k for game 5 <= And this is a fact, it's maths, it's the way statistics are done.
Of course, in a real situation, some of those players could also play Games 1, 2 and 3. But the important thing here isn't what games they play but how long they play them. And this is why it doesn't matter "how many people in forums claim they use Raptr". Fact is it comes with the software for your video card and that most computer users install stuff without reading or knowing what they install so most casual AMD users will have Raptr installed and that's enough to make statistics and claim that more or less the same % of people playing most video games have it installed.
Proof of this is the top 5 games listed in Raptr are amongst the top played games in the world and I know for sure the top 3 are totally accurate.
Edit: Now that I think of it, this definitively doesn't take into account Mac users. Still more than 90% of the PCS in the world come with WIndows installed so that population is marginal.
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Reinitz✭✭nerevarine1138 wrote: »Are you enjoying the game? Yes? Keep playing. No? Go away and play something else. It's really that simple.
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JoffyToffy69✭✭✭✭Ok, I'm gonna fabricate some wild estimates based purely on assumptions as well. 83'525 people currently have the first comment badge. Lets assume that only active accounts are counted. Say there's another 16'475 lurkers to get to an even 100k accounts. Assume only 10% of players participate in the forums. That means 1'000'000 active accounts! Not bad at all. Probably wildly inaccurate, but not bad at all.
Allow me to blow your numbers away. You assumed that only active accounts are counted. Your wrong. I no longer have an active sub; it was cancelled, but yet I am still posting and have that badge, so using forums as a means of counting is not going to work.
Your account must still be active @Talrenos (cancelled, but with remaining game time), because every time my subscription renewal payment fails my forum account becomes inaccessible as well.
Hahahaha! He just got caught out! That's hilarious!
So maybe he pretends to hate the game like a cool kid, but secretly loves it as much as us haha.
Does this mean that using numbers from the forum could be more accurate?
Since majority in this thread, and most likely the majority of the forum don't use third party survey programs?Fun comes from diversity, balance kills diversity.
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✭✭GamerzElite wrote: »772,374 subscribers according to SuperData report published on vg247.com. That report published on 18th July. Article link is below:
vg247.com/2014/07/18/elder-scrolls-online-subscription-numbers/
That's the 5th or 6th time this is posted, and the same amount of times I reply: SuperData never said where those numbers came from and further on, they are nowhere to be found anymore on their website even tho they where at some point: I saw them when they came out, more or less at the same time people in this same forum agreed it was prolly BS because the only company that has an accurate number is ZOS.Edited by TehMagnus on September 10, 2014 3:46PM1 -
FlinkeKlinge✭✭✭JoffyToffy69 wrote: »Does this mean that using numbers from the forum could be more accurate?
Since majority in this thread, and most likely the majority of the forum don't use third party survey programs?
Well, i can only talk for myself but, even though i´m using an amd card i never heard about raptr, nor do i leave steam open when i play and didn´t know people actually still use xfire.
"When you die, it just instantly robs life of many pleasures."
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JoffyToffy69✭✭✭✭GamerzElite wrote: »772,374 subscribers according to SuperData report published on vg247.com. That report published on 18th July. Article link is below:
vg247.com/2014/07/18/elder-scrolls-online-subscription-numbers/
... the only company that has an accurate number is ZOS.
Aaah, problem solved
The thread is now finished. We can ONLY rely on ZOS for an ACTUAL figureFun comes from diversity, balance kills diversity.
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FlinkeKlinge✭✭✭JoffyToffy69 wrote: »Aaah, problem solved
The thread is now finished. We can ONLY rely on ZOS for an ACTUAL figure
Sky is still falling though, right? RIGHT?!
"When you die, it just instantly robs life of many pleasures."
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✭✭FlinkeKlinge wrote: »JoffyToffy69 wrote: »Does this mean that using numbers from the forum could be more accurate?
Since majority in this thread, and most likely the majority of the forum don't use third party survey programs?
Well, i can only talk for myself but, even though i´m using an amd card i never heard about raptr, nor do i leave steam open when i play and didn´t know people actually still use xfire.
I knew people still used xfire, I read about people having problems with it a few months ago.
I also don't leave steam open when playing a steam game, in fcat I don't even have this game registered as a non-steam game.People believe what they either want to be true or what they are afraid is true!
Wizard's first rule
Passion rules reason
Wizard's third rule
Mind what people Do, not what they say, for actions betray a lie.
Wizard's fifth rule
Willfully turning aside from the truth is treason to one's self
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JoffyToffy69✭✭✭✭FlinkeKlinge wrote: »JoffyToffy69 wrote: »Aaah, problem solved
The thread is now finished. We can ONLY rely on ZOS for an ACTUAL figure
Sky is still falling though, right? RIGHT?!
When you put it like that, I guess we're doooomed!
Hahaha
Doomed to ftp, doomed to be with ftp casuals!
Nooo!
:PFun comes from diversity, balance kills diversity.
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✭✭JoffyToffy69 wrote: »GamerzElite wrote: »772,374 subscribers according to SuperData report published on vg247.com. That report published on 18th July. Article link is below:
vg247.com/2014/07/18/elder-scrolls-online-subscription-numbers/
... the only company that has an accurate number is ZOS.
Aaah, problem solved
The thread is now finished. We can ONLY rely on ZOS for an ACTUAL figure
Not it aint. SuperData was giving an EXACT number. Xfire and Raptr give a % of hours played comparing to other games.
Only the people that count the votes in an election know the exact result. Doesn't stop polls from giving accurate statistics before the counting is done.
People need to learn Math
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You had me afraid for a bit, there. ;PJoffyToffy69 wrote: »FlinkeKlinge wrote: »JoffyToffy69 wrote: »Aaah, problem solved
The thread is now finished. We can ONLY rely on ZOS for an ACTUAL figure
Sky is still falling though, right? RIGHT?!
When you put it like that, I guess we're doooomed!
Hahaha
Doomed to ftp, doomed to be with ftp casuals!
Nooo!
:P
"When you die, it just instantly robs life of many pleasures."
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Nocturnalis✭✭✭As for this thread, I just wanted to prove wrong the people in denial that say the game is doing well because fact is: It probably isn't.
What have you done besides coming here and judging?
Good on making some constructive feedback in other threads. But THIS thread is what I was referring to. Beyond proving people wrong, there is nothing constructive about it. It isn't "hey guys the numbers are down, what can we do about it?...", this is a simple troll post to bring about negativity.
So you think you should judge how people spend their money and the fact they might enjoy the game even if it is possibly on a sinking ship? But we shouldn't judge you... Ok.
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✭✭FlinkeKlinge wrote: »JoffyToffy69 wrote: »Aaah, problem solved
The thread is now finished. We can ONLY rely on ZOS for an ACTUAL figure
Sky is still falling though, right? RIGHT?!
Who cares about the sky falling, it's only air, it's not going to crack your skull or anything.
Now the stock markets falling, there's a worry (they're not as far as I'm aware ).
Have they disabled all the emotes apart from the ones from the menu?, because I can't get any to work.Edited by AlexDougherty on September 10, 2014 4:08PMPeople believe what they either want to be true or what they are afraid is true!
Wizard's first rule
Passion rules reason
Wizard's third rule
Mind what people Do, not what they say, for actions betray a lie.
Wizard's fifth rule
Willfully turning aside from the truth is treason to one's self
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JoffyToffy69✭✭✭✭@magnusnet
You said it yourself;
"The only company that has an accurate number is ZOS."
That seems pretty conclusive to me. It's apparent that the third party programmes are irrelevant.
No need to explain % and statistics.
There are too many variables from the programs that it's safe to assume they're not accurate or applicable.
Stick with the ZOS answer, that's the most accurate.Fun comes from diversity, balance kills diversity.
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✭✭JoffyToffy69 wrote: »@magnusnet
You said it yourself;
"The only company that has an accurate number is ZOS."
That seems pretty conclusive to me. It's apparent that the third party programmes are irrelevant.
No need to explain % and statistics.
There are too many variables from the programs that it's safe to assume they're not accurate or applicable.
Stick with the ZOS answer, that's the most accurate.
@JoffyToffy69 there is no ZOS answer, they may be the only person with the actual numbers but they don't tell anyone.
I can't actually blame them, if I was running an MMO I would tell anyone what the figures (good or bad) were.People believe what they either want to be true or what they are afraid is true!
Wizard's first rule
Passion rules reason
Wizard's third rule
Mind what people Do, not what they say, for actions betray a lie.
Wizard's fifth rule
Willfully turning aside from the truth is treason to one's self
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That's not saying much. SWG, really?Sallington wrote: »What this thread fails to point out is that you can have a thriving game and community with "only" 50k subscribers.
This is by far the best MMO I've been a part of since SWG.
And what community do you mean? I have not found one as of yet. I see guilds where no one knows anyone, guilds of convenience for selling stuff. As far as a community here, well...
You must have picked really sucky guilds.
I'm in 4 right now.
Guild chat is busy. When I've asked for help in a quest I've had vr guildmates come to help me. Someone is making me decon items [one of every staff trait] so I can work on crafting, without gold or materials changing hands. A guildmate has made vr qlyphs for me, for no charge. I've been harvesting material for guildmates, and stocking the guild bank(s). I've given away kuta and other runes to guildmates. I've been sending columbine and other alchemy stuff to guildmates. Then they make stuff and stock the guild bank. When I was looking for motifs, I've had guildmates give them to me. There are groups running Craglorn and doing trials.
I'm not really sure what more you want a guild to do.
As for community here, until some posters get the idea that, whatever their personal viewpoints might be, there are people who have an active account, see there are still problems, glitches, and issues, but are enjoying the game anyway, as well as seeing Zenimax is working on it.
Repeating over and over the game is dying and anyone who doesn't agree is a deluded fool isn't doing much to improve the "community" around here.3 -
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✭Hey magnusnet, can you please STOP using the political polling measure as if it backs up your claim? They don't just call 2,000 people out of the blue and hope they get good results. They actually use a very scientific process that gives them a cross-section of likely voters across the political spectrum.
In contrast, your numbers are coming from a completely un-scientific source. It would be like if those same pollsters only polled un-likely voters in the 18-19 age range and tried to get valid data from that for the general election.6 -
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That's not saying much. SWG, really?Sallington wrote: »What this thread fails to point out is that you can have a thriving game and community with "only" 50k subscribers.
This is by far the best MMO I've been a part of since SWG.
And what community do you mean? I have not found one as of yet. I see guilds where no one knows anyone, guilds of convenience for selling stuff. As far as a community here, well...
You must have picked really sucky guilds.
I'm in 4 right now.
Guild chat is busy. When I've asked for help in a quest I've had vr guildmates come to help me. Someone is making me decon items [one of every staff trait] so I can work on crafting, without gold or materials changing hands. A guildmate has made vr qlyphs for me, for no charge. I've been harvesting material for guildmates, and stocking the guild bank(s). I've given away kuta and other runes to guildmates. I've been sending columbine and other alchemy stuff to guildmates. Then they make stuff and stock the guild bank. When I was looking for motifs, I've had guildmates give them to me. There are groups running Craglorn and doing trials.
I'm not really sure what more you want a guild to do.
As for community here, until some posters get the idea that, whatever their personal viewpoints might be, there are people who have an active account, see there are still problems, glitches, and issues, but are enjoying the game anyway, as well as seeing Zenimax is working on it.
Repeating over and over the game is dying and anyone who doesn't agree is a deluded fool isn't doing much to improve the "community" around here.
The community in game (undecided about the forums though) is one of the greatest communities I've played in. Everyone helps each other, everyones friendly, a simple LFG in zone chat will get you an invite. In many other game communities the word 'noob' gets thrown around. Never heard it murmured in ESO.
The only negative experience (I was only a by stander, not directly involved) is when someone ruins an xp grind by doing something wrong. However people there are normally friendly and hand out invites and teach people how the grind/dungeon/mob etc work.
Really great in game community Fun comes from diversity, balance kills diversity.
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Sindala✭✭✭✭✭JoffyToffy69 wrote: »
That's not saying much. SWG, really?Sallington wrote: »What this thread fails to point out is that you can have a thriving game and community with "only" 50k subscribers.
This is by far the best MMO I've been a part of since SWG.
And what community do you mean? I have not found one as of yet. I see guilds where no one knows anyone, guilds of convenience for selling stuff. As far as a community here, well...
You must have picked really sucky guilds.
I'm in 4 right now.
Guild chat is busy. When I've asked for help in a quest I've had vr guildmates come to help me. Someone is making me decon items [one of every staff trait] so I can work on crafting, without gold or materials changing hands. A guildmate has made vr qlyphs for me, for no charge. I've been harvesting material for guildmates, and stocking the guild bank(s). I've given away kuta and other runes to guildmates. I've been sending columbine and other alchemy stuff to guildmates. Then they make stuff and stock the guild bank. When I was looking for motifs, I've had guildmates give them to me. There are groups running Craglorn and doing trials.
I'm not really sure what more you want a guild to do.
As for community here, until some posters get the idea that, whatever their personal viewpoints might be, there are people who have an active account, see there are still problems, glitches, and issues, but are enjoying the game anyway, as well as seeing Zenimax is working on it.
Repeating over and over the game is dying and anyone who doesn't agree is a deluded fool isn't doing much to improve the "community" around here.
The community in game (undecided about the forums though) is one of the greatest communities I've played in. Everyone helps each other, everyones friendly, a simple LFG in zone chat will get you an invite. In many other game communities the word 'noob' gets thrown around. Never heard it murmured in ESO.
The only negative experience (I was only a by stander, not directly involved) is when someone ruins an xp grind by doing something wrong. However people there are normally friendly and hand out invites and teach people how the grind/dungeon/mob etc work.
Really great in game community
In ESO we don't say 'noob' we say Hodor!!
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JoffyToffy69✭✭✭✭JoffyToffy69 wrote: »
That's not saying much. SWG, really?Sallington wrote: »What this thread fails to point out is that you can have a thriving game and community with "only" 50k subscribers.
This is by far the best MMO I've been a part of since SWG.
And what community do you mean? I have not found one as of yet. I see guilds where no one knows anyone, guilds of convenience for selling stuff. As far as a community here, well...
You must have picked really sucky guilds.
I'm in 4 right now.
Guild chat is busy. When I've asked for help in a quest I've had vr guildmates come to help me. Someone is making me decon items [one of every staff trait] so I can work on crafting, without gold or materials changing hands. A guildmate has made vr qlyphs for me, for no charge. I've been harvesting material for guildmates, and stocking the guild bank(s). I've given away kuta and other runes to guildmates. I've been sending columbine and other alchemy stuff to guildmates. Then they make stuff and stock the guild bank. When I was looking for motifs, I've had guildmates give them to me. There are groups running Craglorn and doing trials.
I'm not really sure what more you want a guild to do.
As for community here, until some posters get the idea that, whatever their personal viewpoints might be, there are people who have an active account, see there are still problems, glitches, and issues, but are enjoying the game anyway, as well as seeing Zenimax is working on it.
Repeating over and over the game is dying and anyone who doesn't agree is a deluded fool isn't doing much to improve the "community" around here.
The community in game (undecided about the forums though) is one of the greatest communities I've played in. Everyone helps each other, everyones friendly, a simple LFG in zone chat will get you an invite. In many other game communities the word 'noob' gets thrown around. Never heard it murmured in ESO.
The only negative experience (I was only a by stander, not directly involved) is when someone ruins an xp grind by doing something wrong. However people there are normally friendly and hand out invites and teach people how the grind/dungeon/mob etc work.
Really great in game community
In ESO we don't say 'noob' we say Hodor!!
Haha that is so awesome!
I [snip] love this game and the community for this exact reason!
[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Cursing & Profanity]Edited by ZOS_UlyssesW on September 11, 2014 1:30PMFun comes from diversity, balance kills diversity.
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✭✭Aett_Thorn wrote: »Hey magnusnet, can you please STOP using the political polling measure as if it backs up your claim? They don't just call 2,000 people out of the blue and hope they get good results. They actually use a very scientific process that gives them a cross-section of likely voters across the political spectrum.
In contrast, your numbers are coming from a completely un-scientific source. It would be like if those same pollsters only polled un-likely voters in the 18-19 age range and tried to get valid data from that for the general election.
Exit poll surveys are totally random just as much as web surveys and phone call surveys. Stop lying. The only thing where scientific process is involved is afterwards to give some sense to the numbers, it's also there when you can make the raw data mean anything you want it to mean and why some polls are BS. The data I provided IS pure raw data.
Besides, as i said, top 4 games are accurate and that can be verified since they publish numbers so can't be that wrong
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✭✭Nocturnalis wrote: »As for this thread, I just wanted to prove wrong the people in denial that say the game is doing well because fact is: It probably isn't.
What have you done besides coming here and judging?
Good on making some constructive feedback in other threads. But THIS thread is what I was referring to. Beyond proving people wrong, there is nothing constructive about it. It isn't "hey guys the numbers are down, what can we do about it?...", this is a simple troll post to bring about negativity.
So you think you should judge how people spend their money and the fact they might enjoy the game even if it is possibly on a sinking ship? But we shouldn't judge you... Ok.
Where am i judging people? I'm just pointing out that people who think this game is going well are delusional and posting proof to back up my claims unlike EVERYBODY ELSE. Guess that's why people are pissed
The only data that supports the claim the game is healthy was removed from the net by the company that published it, the only thing that remains and that people are linking are articles citing that data which is nowhere to be found. Why would SuperData remove the data if it was accurate?.
Claiming I judge how people spend their money is bs since I've been subbed since day 1 and don't plan to unsub any time soon so in fact, I'd be judging myself.
You can try spin it all you want and find excuses to attack me personally: Not gonna work. That being said, I suppose it's easier to do that than to focus your energy into proving the game is healthy and I'm wrong, but if this post has proved one thing, it's that it can't be done Edited by TehMagnus on September 10, 2014 6:13PM4 -
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✭TequilaFire wrote: »I just don't understand why some people spend so much energy trying to prove a game is dying. I mean what is the point?
I believe the Germans call it "Schadenfreude."4