Thornblade (NA) has gone off the deep end

Xsorus · August 2014

Absinthe wrote: »

Sad state of affairs for everyone concerned. For those who wish to insult Oceanic players from AD (or DC/EB) - what are they supposed to do? They pay to play like the lot of you. And having the luxury of playing with many of them I can guarantee that they do not like the current state of Thornblade either. It is not as if they enjoy fighting against NPC's and rolling people over and over. Should they all reroll to another faction so that your pixels are not bruised? Why should they move to another campaign when they are invested in gaining AP on Thornblade or where ever they call home?

The current system is not optimal but it is what we have to deal with atm. Stop blaming players and have fun.

The campaigns was fairly even for a long time, then all of a sudden AD started night capping constantly over and over again..this leads me to believe most of those oceanic players specifically guested or homed over to TB.

Dleatherus · August 2014

Rallick71 wrote: »

The nature of people is to take the easy road. Always will be. It definitely sucked that we had such a great start to the campaign and the race was pretty even. Then all of a sudden it took a huge turn and AD night capping threw the points out the window. There was absolutely no way that we could keep up with a 2-5k over night point gain.

night capping is no more ridiculous than blues and reds working together in prime time to undo the 'damage' done during the night - it's all a part of 24/7 AvAvA - this isn't some kind of FPS/arena style 10 minute death match

the DC/EP feeling 'doom' that the AD Oceanic contingent will undo any of the 'work' done by them is misplaced - the leaderboards being so close for the first few weeks is testimony to that

the EP bailing to Chillrend would be equivalent to prime time AD bailing because 'we get owned by the Purple Alliance during prime time almost every day'

but guess what - we didn't bail - we hung in while reds would siege a keep from one side and blue would siege from the other - why? - because the challenge was fun

those who didn't like the challenge bailed - blame THEM for hitting the 'easy button' - and not those who stayed - because until that point the campaign alliance leaderboards were balanced

D.

Absinthe · August 2014

The group that I run with have all been on TB from the start.

If Agrippa's idea was implemented I would reroll. It isn't much fun waiting for something to be attacked just so you can find a fight. Hell most of the time I run into groups just to see how many I can kill (out of boredom) or try to encourage the other side by giving them some AP.

There is no conspiracy here - it is an unfortunate player imbalance during certain hours. This isn't fun for anyone.

Rallick71 · August 2014

The whole Green/Purple/Orange alliance stuff is mostly crap and what the other people think is happening.

I can say that whenever I was playing (I'm DC) nowhere is Zone chat was it ever said to NOT attack EP. We attacked whoever was there at the time.

Agrippa_Invisus · August 2014

Absinthe wrote: »

The group that I run with have all been on TB from the start.

If Agrippa's idea was implemented I would reroll. It isn't much fun waiting for something to be attacked just so you can find a fight. Hell most of the time I run into groups just to see how many I can kill (out of boredom) or try to encourage the other side by giving them some AP.

There is no conspiracy here - it is an unfortunate player imbalance during certain hours. This isn't fun for anyone.

I find that you typically earn more with the carrot than the stick in regards to MMO gaming.

Dark Age of Camelot (hint hint Brian Wheeler) used a similar system to help out their underdog factions in their three way servers. It helped immensely. As a former Albion player (the typical overpopulated faction) it became VERY obvious when Hibernia got the first wave of /levels to 50. They went from sparsely populated to a powerhouse on Percival. No more easy roflstompings for them.

Tintinabula · August 2014

OR...as far as PvP is concerned..If you sign up for a campaign as a group..you will be assigned your "PvP Faction' then. This way ZoS could have control over the amount of ppl representing each faction and population locks would be easier to maintain.

Absinthe · August 2014

Rallick71 wrote: »

The whole Green/Purple/Orange alliance stuff is mostly crap and what the other people think is happening.

I can say that whenever I was playing (I'm DC) nowhere is Zone chat was it ever said to NOT attack EP. We attacked whoever was there at the time.

I've seen it first hand where a group of blue and red were truly working in unison. This happened on the bridge south of Sejanus. Red would push out and fall back then blue would try to push through so that the larger red force could push out again. The only way this would have been possible, as both red and blue were controlling the bridge, is if they were working together - that is just one instance.

I have NO issues with two sides working together as this provides a target rich environment when it happens. Quite frankly if I were either DC or EB I would be doing the same thing. Kudos to you if you can coordinate it properly and I would highly encourage you to do so.

What gets me is the "hatred" many of you display on this forum towards people of another faction. I have had the pleasure to speak (in TS and /whisper) with many of my supposed "enemies" and ya know what? They all, without exception, have been gamers just like me and were actually a joy to converse with.

Agrippa_Invisus · August 2014

Absinthe wrote: »

Rallick71 wrote: »

The whole Green/Purple/Orange alliance stuff is mostly crap and what the other people think is happening.

I can say that whenever I was playing (I'm DC) nowhere is Zone chat was it ever said to NOT attack EP. We attacked whoever was there at the time.

I've seen it first hand where a group of blue and red were truly working in unison. This happened on the bridge south of Sejanus. Red would push out and fall back then blue would try to push through so that the larger red force could push out again. The only way this would have been possible, as both red and blue were controlling the bridge, is if they were working together - that is just one instance.

I have NO issues with two sides working together as this provides a target rich environment when it happens. Quite frankly if I were either DC or EB I would be doing the same thing. Kudos to you if you can coordinate it properly and I would highly encourage you to do so.

What gets me is the "hatred" many of you display on this forum towards people of another faction. I have had the pleasure to speak (in TS and /whisper) with many of my supposed "enemies" and ya know what? They all, without exception, have been gamers just like me and were actually a joy to converse with.

Because.... GRRRR!

And -- reasons.

Absinthe · August 2014

Haha - fair enough.

Huntler · August 2014

Bramir wrote: »

Huntler wrote: »

riverdragon72 wrote: »

s7732425ub17_ESO wrote: »

Unfortunately, PvP needs to be restricted to 12 hours a day to avoid the lopsided time zone issue. During primetime when all populations are locked, things are very balanced. Once people get off for the night, then AD starts to steamroll.

Explain the logic in this statement plz.

There is no logic, chalk it up to self-entitlement bs

And what makes your entitlement more important than anyone elses? Totally ridiculous, hypocritical argument that I am sick of seeing...

Night capping is destroying pvp competition. It is not entitled to ask that something be done to at least mitigate the problem.

Where in any of my post am I acting entitled? Do you just parrot things back to people in response to things you don't disagree because you can't form a coherent logical argument? Regardless of the overnight capping you have no right to basically say well sucks to be a population that lives in a different time zone, my 15 dollars is more important! Thats entitlement. Night capping isn't destroying pvp competition, people are using this as an excuse. Since all of you complaining aren't even on during night capping, the competition is there when you log on. Sure you might not have your keeps or scrolls, but take them back! Who cares that you don't have all your keeps or scrolls the even competition is there when you are on, its just a video game... play it, leave your ego at the door and get over it that there are people who night cap. Or quit for all I care because if it wasn't this you'd be bitching about something else completely inconsequential.

LonePirate · August 2014

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

Rallick71 wrote: »

The nature of people is to take the easy road. Always will be. It definitely sucked that we had such a great start to the campaign and the race was pretty even. Then all of a sudden it took a huge turn and AD night capping threw the points out the window. There was absolutely no way that we could keep up with a 2-5k over night point gain.

It didn't help that a large number of EP went for the "easy" win on Chillrend.

I am proud to be a member of EP who has kept Thornblade as their home campaign since 1.3 went live. I won't begrudge anyone from EP who did switch to Chillrend, as I understand the frustration of logging in and seeing your faction not owning a single keep or scroll. I would much rather players switch to a different campaign than unsubscribe as we all lose when that happens.

Bramir · August 2014

Huntler wrote: »

Bramir wrote: »

Huntler wrote: »

riverdragon72 wrote: »

s7732425ub17_ESO wrote: »

Unfortunately, PvP needs to be restricted to 12 hours a day to avoid the lopsided time zone issue. During primetime when all populations are locked, things are very balanced. Once people get off for the night, then AD starts to steamroll.

Explain the logic in this statement plz.

There is no logic, chalk it up to self-entitlement bs

And what makes your entitlement more important than anyone elses? Totally ridiculous, hypocritical argument that I am sick of seeing...

Night capping is destroying pvp competition. It is not entitled to ask that something be done to at least mitigate the problem.

Where in any of my post am I acting entitled? Do you just parrot things back to people in response to things you don't disagree because you can't form a coherent logical argument? Regardless of the overnight capping you have no right to basically say well sucks to be a population that lives in a different time zone, my 15 dollars is more important! Thats entitlement. Night capping isn't destroying pvp competition, people are using this as an excuse. Since all of you complaining aren't even on during night capping, the competition is there when you log on. Sure you might not have your keeps or scrolls, but take them back! Who cares that you don't have all your keeps or scrolls the even competition is there when you are on, its just a video game... play it, leave your ego at the door and get over it that there are people who night cap. Or quit for all I care because if it wasn't this you'd be bitching about something else completely inconsequential.

You think you are entitled to night-capping apparently, and that everyone else should just deal with it. Of course, since it is mathematically impossible to just 'deal with it' and have any chance of winning, I call *** whenever I see this hypocritical argument. This has nothing to do with egos, but with a desire for fair competition where the winner is decided by beating the other team, and not a bunch of npcs.

Need me to spell it out again for you? I'm very patient...

Huntler · August 2014

Bramir wrote: »

Huntler wrote: »

Bramir wrote: »

Huntler wrote: »

riverdragon72 wrote: »

s7732425ub17_ESO wrote: »

Unfortunately, PvP needs to be restricted to 12 hours a day to avoid the lopsided time zone issue. During primetime when all populations are locked, things are very balanced. Once people get off for the night, then AD starts to steamroll.

Explain the logic in this statement plz.

There is no logic, chalk it up to self-entitlement bs

And what makes your entitlement more important than anyone elses? Totally ridiculous, hypocritical argument that I am sick of seeing...

Night capping is destroying pvp competition. It is not entitled to ask that something be done to at least mitigate the problem.

Where in any of my post am I acting entitled? Do you just parrot things back to people in response to things you don't disagree because you can't form a coherent logical argument? Regardless of the overnight capping you have no right to basically say well sucks to be a population that lives in a different time zone, my 15 dollars is more important! Thats entitlement. Night capping isn't destroying pvp competition, people are using this as an excuse. Since all of you complaining aren't even on during night capping, the competition is there when you log on. Sure you might not have your keeps or scrolls, but take them back! Who cares that you don't have all your keeps or scrolls the even competition is there when you are on, its just a video game... play it, leave your ego at the door and get over it that there are people who night cap. Or quit for all I care because if it wasn't this you'd be bitching about something else completely inconsequential.

You think you are entitled to night-capping apparently, and that everyone else should just deal with it. Of course, since it is mathematically impossible to just 'deal with it' and have any chance of winning, I call *** whenever I see this hypocritical argument. This has nothing to do with egos, but with a desire for fair competition where the winner is decided by beating the other team, and not a bunch of npcs.

Need me to spell it out again for you? I'm very patient...

I like my sleep and I live in NA so no I am not part of the night capping, to be clear. What everyone is entitled to, however, is to play when they want. By a side note that means night capping is possible and you telling someone how to play the game is not your place. This is a 24 hr game and simply put if there are night cappers that is their prerogative. What you fail to understand is these aren't people who are somehow sinister and want to night cap, they are just people who live in a time zone where few people are on and they want to play. We can argue they should try and fight the other oceanic time zone players and we can debate all day the reasons for why each side doesnt, but if they avoid the fights they avoid the fights. Regardless changing the game so that someone can't play this game at certain times is not your right and everyone is entitled to play the game when they want and how they want as its their 15 dollars, not yours.

Bramir · August 2014

Huntler wrote: »

Bramir wrote: »

Huntler wrote: »

Bramir wrote: »

Huntler wrote: »

riverdragon72 wrote: »

s7732425ub17_ESO wrote: »

Unfortunately, PvP needs to be restricted to 12 hours a day to avoid the lopsided time zone issue. During primetime when all populations are locked, things are very balanced. Once people get off for the night, then AD starts to steamroll.

Explain the logic in this statement plz.

There is no logic, chalk it up to self-entitlement bs

And what makes your entitlement more important than anyone elses? Totally ridiculous, hypocritical argument that I am sick of seeing...

Night capping is destroying pvp competition. It is not entitled to ask that something be done to at least mitigate the problem.

Where in any of my post am I acting entitled? Do you just parrot things back to people in response to things you don't disagree because you can't form a coherent logical argument? Regardless of the overnight capping you have no right to basically say well sucks to be a population that lives in a different time zone, my 15 dollars is more important! Thats entitlement. Night capping isn't destroying pvp competition, people are using this as an excuse. Since all of you complaining aren't even on during night capping, the competition is there when you log on. Sure you might not have your keeps or scrolls, but take them back! Who cares that you don't have all your keeps or scrolls the even competition is there when you are on, its just a video game... play it, leave your ego at the door and get over it that there are people who night cap. Or quit for all I care because if it wasn't this you'd be bitching about something else completely inconsequential.

You think you are entitled to night-capping apparently, and that everyone else should just deal with it. Of course, since it is mathematically impossible to just 'deal with it' and have any chance of winning, I call *** whenever I see this hypocritical argument. This has nothing to do with egos, but with a desire for fair competition where the winner is decided by beating the other team, and not a bunch of npcs.

Need me to spell it out again for you? I'm very patient...

I like my sleep and I live in NA so no I am not part of the night capping, to be clear. What everyone is entitled to, however, is to play when they want. By a side note that means night capping is possible and you telling someone how to play the game is not your place. This is a 24 hr game and simply put if there are night cappers that is their prerogative. What you fail to understand is these aren't people who are somehow sinister and want to night cap, they are just people who live in a time zone where few people are on and they want to play. We can argue they should try and fight the other oceanic time zone players and we can debate all day the reasons for why each side doesnt, but if they avoid the fights they avoid the fights. Regardless changing the game so that someone can't play this game at certain times is not your right and everyone is entitled to play the game when they want and how they want as its their 15 dollars, not yours.

I am very aware of all of this, and I think they should be allowed to play when or how they want. There are numerous suggestions floating around for minimizing the effect on the scoreboard without harming anyone.

Acting like it is an unsolvable problem and NA EP and DC should just suck it up and never expect to win is going to cause even more people to stop bothering with pvp.

Aoe_Barbecue · August 2014

I say we ban Australians from playing all video games, ever, of all time. Let them play with their kangaroos and koalas and man eating spiders and stuff. But nightcap my keeps in my server? Well that's downright un-American. Stupid fascist strayas.

Dleatherus · August 2014

Bramir wrote: »

Huntler wrote: »

Bramir wrote: »

Huntler wrote: »

Bramir wrote: »

Huntler wrote: »

riverdragon72 wrote: »

s7732425ub17_ESO wrote: »

Unfortunately, PvP needs to be restricted to 12 hours a day to avoid the lopsided time zone issue. During primetime when all populations are locked, things are very balanced. Once people get off for the night, then AD starts to steamroll.

Explain the logic in this statement plz.

There is no logic, chalk it up to self-entitlement bs

And what makes your entitlement more important than anyone elses? Totally ridiculous, hypocritical argument that I am sick of seeing...

Night capping is destroying pvp competition. It is not entitled to ask that something be done to at least mitigate the problem.

Where in any of my post am I acting entitled? Do you just parrot things back to people in response to things you don't disagree because you can't form a coherent logical argument? Regardless of the overnight capping you have no right to basically say well sucks to be a population that lives in a different time zone, my 15 dollars is more important! Thats entitlement. Night capping isn't destroying pvp competition, people are using this as an excuse. Since all of you complaining aren't even on during night capping, the competition is there when you log on. Sure you might not have your keeps or scrolls, but take them back! Who cares that you don't have all your keeps or scrolls the even competition is there when you are on, its just a video game... play it, leave your ego at the door and get over it that there are people who night cap. Or quit for all I care because if it wasn't this you'd be bitching about something else completely inconsequential.

You think you are entitled to night-capping apparently, and that everyone else should just deal with it. Of course, since it is mathematically impossible to just 'deal with it' and have any chance of winning, I call *** whenever I see this hypocritical argument. This has nothing to do with egos, but with a desire for fair competition where the winner is decided by beating the other team, and not a bunch of npcs.

Need me to spell it out again for you? I'm very patient...

I like my sleep and I live in NA so no I am not part of the night capping, to be clear. What everyone is entitled to, however, is to play when they want. By a side note that means night capping is possible and you telling someone how to play the game is not your place. This is a 24 hr game and simply put if there are night cappers that is their prerogative. What you fail to understand is these aren't people who are somehow sinister and want to night cap, they are just people who live in a time zone where few people are on and they want to play. We can argue they should try and fight the other oceanic time zone players and we can debate all day the reasons for why each side doesnt, but if they avoid the fights they avoid the fights. Regardless changing the game so that someone can't play this game at certain times is not your right and everyone is entitled to play the game when they want and how they want as its their 15 dollars, not yours.

I am very aware of all of this, and I think they should be allowed to play when or how they want. There are numerous suggestions floating around for minimizing the effect on the scoreboard without harming anyone.

Acting like it is an unsolvable problem and NA EP and DC should just suck it up and never expect to win is going to cause even more people to stop bothering with pvp.

except for the fact that the scoreboards were so even that barely 500 points separated 1st and second place and the leader changed on a daily basis - amazingly competitve

until .... EP bailed for chillrend

so it wasn't the AD Oceanic contingent that 'ruined' the scoring and made it unbalanced, it was the pansy berries who couldn't hang in and bailed

D.

Insurrektion · August 2014

Absinthe wrote: »

Sad state of affairs for everyone concerned. For those who wish to insult Oceanic players from AD (or DC/EB) - what are they supposed to do? They pay to play like the lot of you. And having the luxury of playing with many of them I can guarantee that they do not like the current state of Thornblade either. It is not as if they enjoy fighting against NPC's and rolling people over and over. Should they all reroll to another faction so that your pixels are not bruised? Why should they move to another campaign when they are invested in gaining AP on Thornblade or where ever they call home?

The current system is not optimal but it is what we have to deal with atm. Stop blaming players and have fun.

Let me show you a highlight reel:
"... they do not like the current state of Thornblade either.." - Agreement that something should be done so that all people on Thornblade can enjoy the game.
"Should they all reroll to another faction so that your pixels are not bruised?" -Points the finger at everyone else, saying "everyone else" does not like the current sad state of affairs, when in the very previous sentence it shows agreement toward things needing to be changed from the perspective of the overnight AD Aussie crew on Thornblade(NA).

You, sir, make me lol. Truly a "Sad state of affairs for everyone concerned."
I've said it before and I'll say it again: If you're on the overnight AD Aussie crew on Thornblade(NA), and you want competition, you're going to have to face Aussies to find it, since people here in the states are sleeping. Logic dictates that if you all roll for 1 faction expecting to find competition, you need to go back to school and get some general mathematics courses. The smart thing to do would be to split your damned crew up and pvp against eachother so you actually have competition. Not hating on you guys for being aussie, for being in a different timezone, etc. Just stating those simple facts - you won't find any meaningful competition from Americans when they're sleeping. Look to yourselves for the competition at those hours of your day.

Sallington · August 2014

All in favor of daily 8-hour campaigns, 6PM-2AM EST say 'aye'.

Bramir · August 2014

Dleatherus wrote: »

Bramir wrote: »

Huntler wrote: »

Bramir wrote: »

Huntler wrote: »

Bramir wrote: »

Huntler wrote: »

riverdragon72 wrote: »

s7732425ub17_ESO wrote: »

Unfortunately, PvP needs to be restricted to 12 hours a day to avoid the lopsided time zone issue. During primetime when all populations are locked, things are very balanced. Once people get off for the night, then AD starts to steamroll.

Explain the logic in this statement plz.

There is no logic, chalk it up to self-entitlement bs

And what makes your entitlement more important than anyone elses? Totally ridiculous, hypocritical argument that I am sick of seeing...

Night capping is destroying pvp competition. It is not entitled to ask that something be done to at least mitigate the problem.

Where in any of my post am I acting entitled? Do you just parrot things back to people in response to things you don't disagree because you can't form a coherent logical argument? Regardless of the overnight capping you have no right to basically say well sucks to be a population that lives in a different time zone, my 15 dollars is more important! Thats entitlement. Night capping isn't destroying pvp competition, people are using this as an excuse. Since all of you complaining aren't even on during night capping, the competition is there when you log on. Sure you might not have your keeps or scrolls, but take them back! Who cares that you don't have all your keeps or scrolls the even competition is there when you are on, its just a video game... play it, leave your ego at the door and get over it that there are people who night cap. Or quit for all I care because if it wasn't this you'd be bitching about something else completely inconsequential.

You think you are entitled to night-capping apparently, and that everyone else should just deal with it. Of course, since it is mathematically impossible to just 'deal with it' and have any chance of winning, I call *** whenever I see this hypocritical argument. This has nothing to do with egos, but with a desire for fair competition where the winner is decided by beating the other team, and not a bunch of npcs.

Need me to spell it out again for you? I'm very patient...

I like my sleep and I live in NA so no I am not part of the night capping, to be clear. What everyone is entitled to, however, is to play when they want. By a side note that means night capping is possible and you telling someone how to play the game is not your place. This is a 24 hr game and simply put if there are night cappers that is their prerogative. What you fail to understand is these aren't people who are somehow sinister and want to night cap, they are just people who live in a time zone where few people are on and they want to play. We can argue they should try and fight the other oceanic time zone players and we can debate all day the reasons for why each side doesnt, but if they avoid the fights they avoid the fights. Regardless changing the game so that someone can't play this game at certain times is not your right and everyone is entitled to play the game when they want and how they want as its their 15 dollars, not yours.

I am very aware of all of this, and I think they should be allowed to play when or how they want. There are numerous suggestions floating around for minimizing the effect on the scoreboard without harming anyone.

Acting like it is an unsolvable problem and NA EP and DC should just suck it up and never expect to win is going to cause even more people to stop bothering with pvp.

except for the fact that the scoreboards were so even that barely 500 points separated 1st and second place and the leader changed on a daily basis - amazingly competitve

until .... EP bailed for chillrend

so it wasn't the AD Oceanic contingent that 'ruined' the scoring and made it unbalanced, it was the pansy berries who couldn't hang in and bailed

D.

When the new campaigns started, I joined Chillrend hoping to have a less laggy experience. When Chillrend essentially became the EP buff server, I moved to Thornblade. On the day I transferred, the score was even, as you say, but has gotten more and more out of hand in favor of AD since then, despite the fact that at prime time NA, when all pops are locked (or EP even had 3 bars), AD would be lucky to hold on to one emperor keep while losing everything else. I imagine this situation reduced the desire of many EP and DC players to bother with a campaign that was totally out of their control unless they gave up their real lives to play in the middle of night, and so the situation continued to worsen along with the score.

We did have a good number of people going for EP last night, but I bet when they realize today that their efforts didn't even slow down the AD lead, many won't bother again.

frozywozy · August 2014

LonePirate wrote: »

riverdragon72 wrote: »

I play mostly evenings to midnight/1 am est, and it is a constant dc/ep against ad.

Do you mean like last night's AD and DC joint attacks against EP at Ash while a different DC group took three keeps, an outpost and several resources from EP in the north?

It's EP's fault to be at Ash in the first place. They should never be there unless they are going for emperor. In this case, Ash should be one of the last if not the last keep to hit.

Now, as an EP player, if you control Ash, you HAVE to expect to be double team by both DC and AD since you are obviously controlling a keep sitting in the middle of their battlefield. Ash is just as worse as Brindle is for EP, except that Ash is needed to get emperor. You should never be there otherwise.

Krinaman wrote: »

Meh, I just farm AP while I look for another game.

ESO is becoming "so very 3 months ago". With the unbearable lag, frequent crashes, scrollbacks, so many balance issues it's impossible to list them all, bugs, broken skills being abused by the "elite" FOTM build guilds, and completely lopsided campaigns I just reached that point.

I like the game and all, but damn. You can only take so much before you say screw it and move on.

This is the nature of every mmorpg. Be patient and deal with it or begone. I know it's hard sometimes, I do *** and whine alot about it, but in the end, we just have to wait until the game gets better.

LonePirate · August 2014

frozywozy wrote: »

LonePirate wrote: »

riverdragon72 wrote: »

I play mostly evenings to midnight/1 am est, and it is a constant dc/ep against ad.

Do you mean like last night's AD and DC joint attacks against EP at Ash while a different DC group took three keeps, an outpost and several resources from EP in the north?

It's EP's fault to be at Ash in the first place. They should never be there unless they are going for emperor. In this case, Ash should be one of the last if not the last keep to hit.

Now, as an EP player, if you control Ash, you HAVE to expect to be double team by both DC and AD since you are obviously controlling a keep sitting in the middle of their battlefield. Ash is just as worse as Brindle is for EP, except that Ash is needed to get emperor. You should never be there otherwise.

I definitely agree that unless EP is pushing for Emperor, then there is no reason to take Ash. I went Ash that night because EP already held the Emperor keeps to the north and Ash was where the current action was. I suspect many other EP members felt the same.

I usually don't pay much attention to the map or chat while engaged in a keep battle, especially when on defense. Unfortunately, the real estate to the north had already changed hands by the time Ash settled down. About the best positive spin I can place on that time at Ash is that it was a nice change of pace to defend a keep that wasn't Chalman, Arrius or Blue Road.

frozywozy · August 2014

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

The campaigns was fairly even for a long time, then all of a sudden AD started night capping constantly over and over again..this leads me to believe most of those oceanic players specifically guested or homed over to TB.

Like I stated in another thread, the answer to this question from an EP player who used to play every night (EST time) is very simple. AD started doing objectives and capping keeps during offhours (4:00am to noon EST) only one week ago. Before, they would rather spend their time farming strategic locations such as Arrius mine. The population of AD didn't really increase on Thornblade, they just simply decided to start doing objectives. DiE and TAW had the power since the second week of the campaign to handle the hand of pugs EP and DC have to offer as a challenge.

Note that the last two days, AD population during off hours decreased to 2bars vs 1bar for us. They also decided to focus only on emp keeps and let our home keeps alone. If this can last until the end of the campaign, I would be fine with that. As long as I don't have to lead a pug group every morning to recap Arrius, Farra and Kings and spend 300k AP everytime.. It's been painful and I think that starting with our home keeps and one scroll everyday is encouraging even if we don't stand a chance to win the campaign. We can still focus on objectives and get better for the next campaign.

demonlkojipub19_ESO · August 2014

kentgreigrwb17_ESO wrote: »

Can't be fixed. It's a design problem in a game played by humans.

Only solution is to change the design.

E.g.
1: Arenas that fire when players sign up evenly (XvX battlegrounds as in other games)
2: Campaigns that fill to cap in a similar way to Arena, without a home campaign, meaning you don't campaign surf.

Not saying they should do these things, just that the surfing problem won't be fixed without it.

yea I was talking in zone chat that it would be better if campaign selection was Done like WoW battlegrounds. You queue solo or as a group and the server puts you in one that will keep alliances the most balanced.

Get rid of homing and guesting, because the players will never spread themselves out evenly. Campaign durations stop being different, and your reward tier stays the same no matter what campaign you wind up in.

Cody · August 2014

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

Rallick71 wrote: »

The nature of people is to take the easy road. Always will be. It definitely sucked that we had such a great start to the campaign and the race was pretty even. Then all of a sudden it took a huge turn and AD night capping threw the points out the window. There was absolutely no way that we could keep up with a 2-5k over night point gain.

It didn't help that a large number of EP went for the "easy" win on Chillrend.

I heard that the group from Bow of Shadows moved to chillrend. wish they would move to thornblade.....

Cody · August 2014

Absinthe wrote: »

Sad state of affairs for everyone concerned. For those who wish to insult Oceanic players from AD (or DC/EB) - what are they supposed to do? They pay to play like the lot of you. And having the luxury of playing with many of them I can guarantee that they do not like the current state of Thornblade either. It is not as if they enjoy fighting against NPC's and rolling people over and over. Should they all reroll to another faction so that your pixels are not bruised? Why should they move to another campaign when they are invested in gaining AP on Thornblade or where ever they call home?

The current system is not optimal but it is what we have to deal with atm. Stop blaming players and have fun.

They can move to a different campaign and help their fellow AD comrades if they do care, like you said. instead of investing all of their guilds into one campaign. that's a good start

DaisyK · August 2014

i haven't read this latest page but i'm getting sick of AD being blamed.. sorry but when i wake up my map is RED, when i play in the evening pop is hardly ever full.. in the afternoon we're just *** pop wise, yet there's always teams of red gankers waiting for us at every turn, can't even freakin move, literally. it's not fun. one hit kill, respawn, two hit kill, respawn, try that for two hours and then try to blame us for nightcapping.

nightcapping is normal, but when you can't even breathe cause your own gates are impossible to leave.. where's the challenge in that, where's the strategy, and especially where's the fun. when it's just about killing players and not objectives i lose intrest. not trying to blame one faction but it's defenitely not my style

Agrippa_Invisus · August 2014

DaisyK wrote: »

i haven't read this latest page but i'm getting sick of AD being blamed.. sorry but when i wake up my map is RED, when i play in the evening pop is hardly ever full.. in the afternoon we're just *** pop wise, yet there's always teams of red gankers waiting for us at every turn, can't even freakin move, literally. it's not fun. one hit kill, respawn, two hit kill, respawn, try that for two hours and then try to blame us for nightcapping.

So... you're saying that your inability to progress during primetime (when populations are even) justifies the population disparity (and resultant score disparity) largely brought about by players that are in a different time zone than the NA population as a whole?

I'm just checking to be sure this is what you're implying.

The real issue is that oceanic population being incentivized (winning!) to stack in one faction. ZOS needs to incentivize de-stacking so they spread out to the other two factions and the Oceanics fight each other when they're online instead of walls and doors.

Cody wrote: »

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

Rallick71 wrote: »

The nature of people is to take the easy road. Always will be. It definitely sucked that we had such a great start to the campaign and the race was pretty even. Then all of a sudden it took a huge turn and AD night capping threw the points out the window. There was absolutely no way that we could keep up with a 2-5k over night point gain.

It didn't help that a large number of EP went for the "easy" win on Chillrend.

I heard that the group from Bow of Shadows moved to chillrend. wish they would move to thornblade.....

There may be some new faces on Thorn, I hear. Hopefully they're able to help.

DaisyK · August 2014

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

DaisyK wrote: »

i haven't read this latest page but i'm getting sick of AD being blamed.. sorry but when i wake up my map is RED, when i play in the evening pop is hardly ever full.. in the afternoon we're just *** pop wise, yet there's always teams of red gankers waiting for us at every turn, can't even freakin move, literally. it's not fun. one hit kill, respawn, two hit kill, respawn, try that for two hours and then try to blame us for nightcapping.

So... you're saying that your inability to progress during primetime (when populations are even) justifies the population disparity (and resultant score disparity) largely brought about by players that are in a different time zone than the NA population as a whole?

i'm saying it ain't fun when it's all about ganking players, i edited my post.. yes it's frustrating when it's too hard to win your own keeps back, but it's not the nightcapping i dislike it's the inability to win them back.. or win more then just our keeps. i dislike the way it's played, often dirty. i realise there are different timezones and i'm fine with people taking over when i go to bed, it's normal.. but all i read here is AD this and that, when the reality is different. i don't like blaming one faction for nightcapping, it's the nature of the game. i do blame people who won't even let you leave your own gates because they care more about killing people then doing objectives.

Agrippa_Invisus · August 2014

DaisyK wrote: »

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

DaisyK wrote: »

i haven't read this latest page but i'm getting sick of AD being blamed.. sorry but when i wake up my map is RED, when i play in the evening pop is hardly ever full.. in the afternoon we're just *** pop wise, yet there's always teams of red gankers waiting for us at every turn, can't even freakin move, literally. it's not fun. one hit kill, respawn, two hit kill, respawn, try that for two hours and then try to blame us for nightcapping.

So... you're saying that your inability to progress during primetime (when populations are even) justifies the population disparity (and resultant score disparity) largely brought about by players that are in a different time zone than the NA population as a whole?

i'm saying it ain't fun when it's all about ganking players, i edited my post.. yes it's frustrating when it's too hard to win your own keeps back, but it's not the nightcapping i dislike it's the inability to win them back.. or win more then just our keeps. i dislike the way it's played, often dirty. i realise there are different timezones and i'm fine with people taking over when i go to bed, it's normal.. but all i read here is AD this and that, when the reality is different. i don't like blaming one faction for nightcapping, it's the nature of the game. i do blame people who won't even let you leave your own gates because they care more about killing people then doing objectives.

I understand your frustration -- I really do, being a Bloodthorn original -- and I'm sorry it's the case for you. I hope you can understand though that there's a certain animosity bred over the nightcapping the other factions (EP/DC) are fairly unforgiving about it.

I do hope your time in game improves, at least for you, and you are able to capture some fun. I really want the game to be fun for all three factions.

That's the goal, right?

Jaxom · August 2014

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

DaisyK wrote: »

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

DaisyK wrote: »

i haven't read this latest page but i'm getting sick of AD being blamed.. sorry but when i wake up my map is RED, when i play in the evening pop is hardly ever full.. in the afternoon we're just *** pop wise, yet there's always teams of red gankers waiting for us at every turn, can't even freakin move, literally. it's not fun. one hit kill, respawn, two hit kill, respawn, try that for two hours and then try to blame us for nightcapping.

So... you're saying that your inability to progress during primetime (when populations are even) justifies the population disparity (and resultant score disparity) largely brought about by players that are in a different time zone than the NA population as a whole?

i'm saying it ain't fun when it's all about ganking players, i edited my post.. yes it's frustrating when it's too hard to win your own keeps back, but it's not the nightcapping i dislike it's the inability to win them back.. or win more then just our keeps. i dislike the way it's played, often dirty. i realise there are different timezones and i'm fine with people taking over when i go to bed, it's normal.. but all i read here is AD this and that, when the reality is different. i don't like blaming one faction for nightcapping, it's the nature of the game. i do blame people who won't even let you leave your own gates because they care more about killing people then doing objectives.

I understand your frustration -- I really do, being a Bloodthorn original -- and I'm sorry it's the case for you. I hope you can understand though that there's a certain animosity bred over the nightcapping the other factions (EP/DC) are fairly unforgiving about it.

I do hope your time in game improves, at least for you, and you are able to capture some fun. I really want the game to be fun for all three factions.

That's the goal, right?

Fun is definitely the goal and it what I try to accomplish every night. Some times frustration sets in due to bugs and the like but, in the end, the points only really tell us who gets what for gold. Although, getting killed by you 3 times in the matter of 5 minutes is not always fun.

I really hope they fix the glaring issues with Cyrodiil and the Imperial City, sooner rather than later. It will be refreshing and maybe the population imbalances will fix itself by then (this coming from AD). No one likes wins handed them to them just because we happen to have a certain time zone covered.