i (used to) want to.... Inspect YOU (until this post)

Rhastar · August 2014

One aspect I love about some MMOs is the ability to inspect other characters. I love inspecting other characters and seeing what gear they are rocking, especially if they are good. One thing that I think is seriously lacking in this game is the ability to inspect other players and see what kind of gear they're sporting while killing foes and pwning face.

FOR THOSE WHO WANT THE SHORT VERSION...
I want to be able to inspect your gear and see what gear and enchantments you have.

WHY... Inspecting gives people things to look forward to and aim for. Inspires new profession choices. Increased number of subscribers!

We need another central hub where new players and Vets can see one another. This, or a re-purposing of an existing area would work just as well.

MORE BENEFITS OF INSPECTING? Inspire new players, show off cool loot, promote interaction despite level, etc. Something like this in addition to making a better dedicated area where top level players and brand new characters interact will be a great asset for inspiring new players to keep playing and see all the bad ass gear they 'could' get along with all the other potentials made available via your crafting system.

Not too sure if i'd consider this a petition or not, but if you would like to see inspecting in the game show the post some love!

Natjur · August 2014

If they ever add the option to allow players to inspect my gear, I would want an option to disable it to stop players was inspecting my gear.

Vendersleigh · August 2014

Definitely not wanted by me.

Orchish · August 2014

Just another way for elitist players to kick people from groups.

nerevarine1138 · August 2014

Nope.

Any time someone asks me what my DPS is in a trial, I say this exact sentence, "When I get a DPS meter, I'll let you know. Since that's never happening, you can either have the boss die faster with me, or go play Excel with people who enjoy that."

I have no desire to get in measuring contests with other players. Gear inspection, damage meters, etc. are all for measuring contests. Period.

OrangeTheCat · August 2014

NO, a thousand times NO. No inspection. There is already too much WoW-esqe elitism.

Nox_Aeterna · August 2014

There are good and bad points to this like everything else really.

It opens the gate for people checking each others gear and thus judging who can do what , which is fine by me , it isnt like we already dont kick anyone that doesnt appear to fit the required standard anyway , atleast with this one would be able to be sure :P.

Rhoric · August 2014

No. no. no. no. this is another topic horse beaten to death. an inspect feature is abused by elitists. if you don't have what they want you to have then you are kicked.

PBpsy · August 2014

I don't want the inspect for various reasons. Not getting the chance of being carried when using a crappy build by people who don't want to carry people with crappy builds Is not one of those reasons. Preposterous.

I will usually tell anyone what I am using or doing If the asks politely though.A show gear,build option would be more appropriate.

Rhastar · August 2014

Very interesting on how perspectives vary from game to game. Seems we were approaching it from different perspectives but your loot discrimination point is valid.

All I can say is far enough, I think you all have a strong argument against. fair enough, you convinced me

ChrisGoesAFK · August 2014

I can see where looking at someone’s gear/items/spec might be a good tool for learning and adjusting what you are doing. And I would be all for this if there was a way that it could be implemented where it would not be abused. I think many of us have seen the bad side of character inspection where someone else is suddenly telling you what you MUST have and in some guilds you may even be blocked from raids until you meet their requirements.

Rhastar · August 2014

ChrisGoesAFK wrote: »

I can see where looking at someone’s gear/items/spec might be a good tool for learning and adjusting what you are doing. And I would be all for this if there was a way that it could be implemented where it would not be abused. I think many of us have seen the bad side of character inspection where someone else is suddenly telling you what you MUST have and in some guilds you may even be blocked from raids until you meet their requirements.

Exactly. My intent was curiosity just like you said. I have experienced games with gear discrimination and being an active raiding/pvp healer I never had much of a problem, but I know others have had some harsh times because of it.

dmarkle70b14_ESO · August 2014

No..all that elitist wowtard crap can stay in Panda Land

Arsenic_Touch · August 2014

Don't worry, they'll add it after they add pvp arenas, along with gear score.

This is what they said at quakecon about the lot.

Inspect player feature? If we had infinite resources we would totally add it. Not on the horizon anytime soon. (wasn't a no, but it's not a priority, expect to see it though)

Champion rating – Look at your gear as well as all your points in the champion system to see if you can take on a certain content or not. The Champion rating will be introducing some divide in the community but it based more on gear rather than your points to make it easier to catch up. (will have the same effect as inspect)

What about having arenas giving you different rewards from Cyrodiil? It is definitely something we have looked at it but the key is to make sure the different rewards play nice with each other. Arenas are definitely something you can expect not too far off. (pillar hopping is in our future)

So calm your pretty little heads, they'll ruin things soon enough.

ThisOnePosts · August 2014

Natjur wrote: »

I they ever add the option to allow players to inspect my gear, I would want an option to disable it to stop players was inspecting my gear.

Agreed. I don't want people having my super secret secrets unless I am willingly sharing!!!

Beotor · August 2014

no inspection

epoling · August 2014

I have said it before but I will say it again. It opens the door for all the idiots who think they can tell me how to play my class even if they have never played it before. The idiot inspects, sees everything that is listed on inspect, and then gives me a litany of what I can do to improve based on something they read on their favorite website. Who knows if said website is right, but they will drone on and on to anybody who will listen about how they know what's wrong with each person's build from the inspect window. Bleah - rather have the NSA read my e-mail.

Rhastar · August 2014

Arsenic_Touch wrote: »

Don't worry, they'll add it around the time they add pvp arenas, along with gear score.

This is what they said at quakecon about the lot.

Inspect player feature? If we had infinite resources we would totally add it. Not on the horizon anytime soon.

Champion rating – Look at your gear as well as all your points in the champion system to see if you can take on a certain content or not. The Champion rating will be introducing some divide in the community but it based more on gear rather than your points to make it easier to catch up.

What about having arenas giving you different rewards from Cyrodiil? It is definitely something we have looked at it but the key is to make sure the different rewards play nice with each other. Arenas are definitely something you can expect not too far off.

So calm your pretty little heads, they'll ruin things soon enough.

I clearly have never experienced the amount of discrimination a lot of people who replied to this post have given I generally play supporting roles and healers and didn't have the fierce competition for spots like some of the other classes.

This forum discussion has convinced me otherwise, and now I feel ya and think I might rename the title of this post.

Nocturnalfox · August 2014

Con of inspecting- people can see your gear, get kicked from group for not "equipping right stuff"
- I will agree to it provided you have the option to turn it off and REFUSE other players from looking

arkansas_ESO · August 2014

This would encourage elitism, even if gear inspecting was an opt-in feature. "Oh, not fully geared with VR12 gold quality gear of X set? Kick."

LongHammer · August 2014

No inspection, but I would like a page where a person may write something about their character. for RP or Non RP purpose.

Zorrashi · August 2014

I considered it at one point, then I remembered the bad stuff. It is unfortunate, but it is an elitist's dream to be able to inspect other to make sure their raid/trial group is at the optimal capacity.
I may be able to tolerate an implementation if it the toggle was set to 'off' by default, but then that would appease very, very little of me. I just don't want there to be any type of opportunity for elitist to abuse system like that. In this sense, to me at least, the negatives outweigh the positives.

Nox_Aeterna · August 2014

Nocturnalfox wrote: »

Con of inspecting- people can see your gear, get kicked from group for not "equipping right stuff"
- I will agree to it provided you have the option to turn it off and REFUSE other players from looking

*Try to check the gear* -> *Locked* -> Please open your inspect so we can see it. -> Nope , i dont want to allow you to see it -> *Kick*.

Dont get me wrong , as long as you are playing alone , i think anyone has the right to play anyway they want , but if a group wants only top geared people rolling with them and you try to trick them so they carry you , i really think they should show no patience at all.

So like i said , even now , if the player appears to be under the standard , kick. This feature would only make this more common pratice.

In the like any other MMO really , you are always better off rolling with people you know than with random pubs or even random guildies.

stefan.gustavsonb16_ESO · August 2014

an inspect feature is abused by elitists. if you don't have what they want you to have then you are kicked.

I wouldn't consider that much of a loss. I would not want to play the game with those people anyway. I would simply not have anything in common with people who take a game that seriously. There are plenty of nice people in this game who just want to get through group challenges successfully and without too many wipes, and who are playing to have fun, not to compete with others for some imaginary prize or just for the bragging rights.

However, I don't really see the point in inspecting other people's gear. To learn anything useful from other players, you also need to inspect their ability bars and see how they use their abilities and attacks to be effective in combat. I find this game to be very much more dependent on skill than gear. It would be fun to have a way to peek over someone's shoulder, like a spectator mode, to see how other people play the game, but if you want that kind of advice you would be better off joining a friendly and helpful guild where people use TeamSpeak. Asking people playing the same class for advice and having them show you how they do their stuff is a great way of learning new ways to play the game.

Inversus · August 2014

Please no

It's already been said, elitism - if someone wants to show off their gear they can link it in chat

LordEcks · August 2014

Nox_Aeterna wrote: »

In the like any other MMO really , you are always better off rolling with people you know than with random pubs or even random guildies.

The reality is that a lot of people play these games because they dont have friends like that. Especially ESO, quite possibility the most anti-social MMO trek from 0 to max level that I've ever seen.

Draxuul · August 2014

i`m sure this is something that half the people will want and half the people will absolutly not want .

As far as i`m concerned , i consider that an invasion of privacy lol .

I like to be unique and i don`t like for people to copy my builds or copy the way i enchant my gear and stuff . I like to keep those things private.

I like to test different combinations and builds on my own and then create a build that fits my play style . I will never ask for advice in that department and i will never copy a build that i`ve seen online or on youtube . I never look at player guides for anything .

I play my own way and i like to be original and in most cases , my builds are solid , strong builds. I`m never going to claim that my builds are overpowered or that they are the best . I will only claim that they are good .

And i don`t like people copying my builds or my play style . So if they ever do add the option to inspect people , i only wish that we can choose to disable it and make it impossible for people to inspect us if we wish it .

Draxuul

ItsMeToo · August 2014

A solution to the group kick problem is to form your own group.

As for the inspection, I say NO!

UrQuan · August 2014

ItsMeToo wrote: »

A solution to the group kick problem is to form your own group.

Well, with the current grouping bugs that's not always a solution. I've seen myself randomly become the group leader, and I've seen myself randomly lose group leader to another group member. I've also seen the group suddenly have no leader at all...

Theoretically, though, you're right that is a solution.

Aenra · August 2014

No inspection.

You have allowed yourself to be "trained" in such a way. I am sorry for that.

This is a game, not a e-peen competition. I know they taught you to look at it thus, which is really sad though, isn't it. This is all about escapism, not competing and bragging and trying to push yourself to be "b3tt3r"

Is it curiosity? If so, should not curiosity have its limits? How is it that you find yourself entitled to be able to tell everything about someone at any given a time? Since when is this something we have allowed to become a standard?

And in regards to the central hub where all the complexed people can gather and play the success pretense (to put it kindly)..are you absolutely sure you want those people, or the mentality they carry with them in this game? Have you not seen where it can, without fail, lead to?

Attorneyatlawl · August 2014

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

Nope.

Any time someone asks me what my DPS is in a trial, I say this exact sentence, "When I get a DPS meter, I'll let you know. Since that's never happening, you can either have the boss die faster with me, or go play Excel with people who enjoy that."

I have no desire to get in measuring contests with other players. Gear inspection, damage meters, etc. are all for measuring contests. Period.

And that's when I tell you this....
"Cool, the game requires certain levels of damage to clear the encounters and while I don't expect everyone to be a master theorycrafter, we do expect a certain level of competence and trying to make a proper effort for the other 11 people in the group. I'm sorry but we are not going to be able to take you."