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i (used to) want to.... Inspect YOU (until this post)
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GnatB✭✭✭✭I dont want the ability in this game to inspect, but I used to use it mainly to inspect cosmetic attire in other games, see what pieces they used to get the look they had. Thought i would throw it out there amongst all the inspect for armor/gear posts , heh
Precisely. I have no interest in being able to inspect your skills/stats. I just want to know what chest piece you have that looks so cool.
As such, I am in favor of equipment inspection.
Second, I don't really have any sympathy for anybody who gets suckered into the hamster wheel that is end game raiding, which is where all the elitism resides. As such all the arguments about how inspection feeds into such elitism falls on deaf ears.
Additionally, chat doesn't work. Most people don't respond. And, to be frank, I don't really want to have to bother people or be bothered to answer a question the game should let them be able to find out on their own.
And finally, one could argue that realistically, we wouldn't be limited to "X" textures, and people would be able to tell what armor is practically on sight. Which is what inspect somewhat replicates.Achievements Suck0 -
MikeBob✭✭✭I dont want the ability in this game to inspect, but I used to use it mainly to inspect cosmetic attire in other games, see what pieces they used to get the look they had. Thought i would throw it out there amongst all the inspect for armor/gear posts , heh
Precisely. I have no interest in being able to inspect your skills/stats. I just want to know what chest piece you have that looks so cool.
As such, I am in favor of equipment inspection.
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You don't have to have the ability to inspect a player character to see what a given item looks like when equipped, because the ability to see what a visible item looks like when equipped and inspecting other toons are two entirely different functionalities.
I've played MMOs where it was possible to view any item's appearance (from inventory, chat links, auction broker listings, etc) - but where it was also not possible to inspect those toons that did not want to be inspected.0 -
GnatB✭✭✭✭Precisely. I have no interest in being able to inspect your skills/stats. I just want to know what chest piece you have that looks so cool.
As such, I am in favor of equipment inspection.
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You don't have to have the ability to inspect a player character to see what a given item looks like when equipped, because the ability to see what a visible item looks like when equipped and inspecting other toons are two entirely different functionalities.
Uhm... I think you managed to miss the point. You're absolutely right in that having the ability to inspect a player character isn't needed to see what a given item looks like when equipped. Heck, it isn't even particularly useful in that regard. But that's not what we're talking about. We want to get the name by the look, not the look by the name.
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✭Precisely. I have no interest in being able to inspect your skills/stats. I just want to know what chest piece you have that looks so cool.
As such, I am in favor of equipment inspection.
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You don't have to have the ability to inspect a player character to see what a given item looks like when equipped, because the ability to see what a visible item looks like when equipped and inspecting other toons are two entirely different functionalities.
Uhm... I think you managed to miss the point. You're absolutely right in that having the ability to inspect a player character isn't needed to see what a given item looks like when equipped. Heck, it isn't even particularly useful in that regard. But that's not what we're talking about. We want to get the name by the look, not the look by the name.
which would be the thing others feel min/maxers would use to exclude people from groups.
Do you not think they know what a given set does or are looking for people with specific sets?Dear Sister, I do not spread rumors, I create them.0 -
Demira✭✭✭nerevarine1138 wrote: »Nope.
Any time someone asks me what my DPS is in a trial, I say this exact sentence, "When I get a DPS meter, I'll let you know. Since that's never happening, you can either have the boss die faster with me, or go play Excel with people who enjoy that."
I have no desire to get in measuring contests with other players. Gear inspection, damage meters, etc. are all for measuring contests. Period.
I totally freaken agree with you about what you wrote! (*)0 -
DarkAedin✭✭✭✭✭elitist here.
First off, if by some off chance we are actually grouped together, i dont give a rats a$$ what you're wearing as long you're doing the job u proclaimed you were able to do. Because, frankly speaking, unless you do something phenomenal, i dont give a ratz a$$ about YOU.
The only time i have ever inspected someone's gear in a negative fashion was several pulls/beyond first boss of the dungeon and it became quite apparent that myself and the rest of my groupmates were carrying this individual.
Please understand, as an elitist, i do not require you to be in the best gear possible, all of us had to start somewhere. HOWEVER, i DO expect you to be meeting the minimum requirements, just like I did when i first started.
ie- When i first started doing trials in this game, all my gear was at epic lvl v12 gear with epic lvl enchants and a few legendaries thrown in.
I also show up to every trial with enough potions/food/soul gems for the night +, i expect that those who run with me are like minded and prepared, and also put in work so as a guild we can progress (i will progress faster if i help everyone else who i run with, and visa versa)
There are many players out there who are hiding their stats/gear because they are wanting to be carried through, just look at the replies to this post. The only nay sayers are the ones who are quite obviously not meeting the requirements, and want to hide the fact that they are bringing down the rest of ur group.
if u meet the requirements, and they want to inspect you, why do u care?
b/c frankly speaking, if you met the minimum requirements, and someone wasnt gonna run with you, do you want to run with that person?
and, if you dont meet the requirements, why should a group of ppl who have already worked on them and achieved them allow you to skip progression?
-or hold them back b/c you havent done the work they did?
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MercyKilling✭✭✭✭✭p_tsakirisb16_ESO wrote: »More madness from those who have no real lives outside the bedroom in their parents house.
I know, right? These "must inspect" people need to go outside once in a while, eh?Actually it is what he is doing and you're clearly preaching to the wrong quire.(it's spelled "choir") The aim of such groups is to to quickly clear runs to get loot and it's a totally acceptable aim (that you loose once you are fully stuffed btw). If you lack DPS, if you use stamina build, you will make it more difficult for the group to accomplish their objective. If your objective is the same as theirs, then, seeing how the game works at the moment, you should wear Light Armor and a stick.
In a game that advertises "play how you want" all the builds should be equally viable when attempting completion of any content. One should not have to wear a dress and poke with a stick to be viable/accepted to a run. EVER.It is not unsubstantiated bias, it's math, based on numbers (which is all games are about and where(I think you mean were, as where refers to place)
I'm sorry, but no. You are wrong. Games are not about math and numbers. Games are about fun and relaxation and escaping stress. What you're doing causes more stress, isn't fun nor relaxing. Well, it may be to you and the other ten or twelve people you run with, but it isn't for a larger percentage of the player base.You don't need to hear how stamina build is bad, you can just try it or, once again, use this "inhuman" math, to realize it can't be as good as magicka.
Once again, I refer you to the "play how you want" advertisement this game utilizes and how every build should be equally viable for all content.As for "quick effortless fix", you fail to understand that 99% of those players didn't have the correct armor set, the correct skills level up, probably not even the correct weapons
I'm sorry...but who the heck are YOU to say what's correct and what isn't? Just because someone doesn't have a cookie cutter build that follows the herd without question does not mean they aren't a skilled player.To sum things up, if you want a group that will accept you for who you are and how you want to play without caring about your DPS, you should join a group of players who are like you
This is perhaps the only truth you've managed to spout in the entire post you made. Kudos for that accomplishment.Edited by MercyKilling on August 14, 2014 11:23PMI am not spending a single penny on the game until changes are made to the game that I want to see.
1) Remove having to be in a guild to sell items to other players at a kiosk.
2) Cosmetic modding for armor and clothing.
3) Difficulty slider.
4) Fully customizable player housing that isn't tied to anything in the game other than having the correct resources and enough gold to build. Don't tie it to PvP, guild membership, or anything at all. Oh, make it instanced so as not to take up world map space, too. Zeni screwed this one up already.
Any /one/ of these things implemented would get me spending again, maybe even subbing.7 -
GnatB✭✭✭✭Just want to say. I, for one, would be perfectly satisfied with inspect if it simply showed the base/unenchanted version of the items w/o even any stats. All I'm generally looking for is the name. (though a lvl requirement couldn't hurt for certain items) so that I can see about obtaining one for myself.Achievements Suck1
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✭MercyKilling wrote: »Actually it is what he is doing and you're clearly preaching to the wrong quire.(it's spelled "choir") The aim of such groups is to to quickly clear runs to get loot and it's a totally acceptable aim (that you loose once you are fully stuffed btw). If you lack DPS, if you use stamina build, you will make it more difficult for the group to accomplish their objective. If your objective is the same as theirs, then, seeing how the game works at the moment, you should wear Light Armor and a stick.
In a game that advertises "play how you want" all the builds should be equally viable when attempting completion of any content. One should not have to wear a dress and poke with a stick to be viable/accepted to a run. EVER.
That is really , really nice on paper , but that is not how the game works at all.
Many players honestly dont care about the game should be enough that they want people using stamina builds in their parties.
They dont want to carry someone that cant pull their weight because the game SHOULD be like this or that , but it isnt.
With all this said , it is quite easy to see that a player is using a magicka or stamina build , if the party doesnt agree with this , they will kick you and this problem is solved.
A player doesnt have the right to force their build over the rest of the party , it is all nice while you are soloing ofc , but you enter a party then others actually have a say in what you are doing , if you dont agree with what they have to say , that is also perfectly fine , but they dont have to play with you really.MercyKilling wrote: »It is not unsubstantiated bias, it's math, based on numbers (which is all games are about and where(I think you mean were, as where refers to place)
I'm sorry, but no. You are wrong. Games are not about math and numbers. Games are about fun and relaxation and escaping stress. What you're doing causes more stress, isn't fun nor relaxing. Well, it may be to you and the other ten or twelve people you run with, but it isn't for a larger percentage of the player base.
Which is perfectly fine , but to those % of the player base that the game is about numbers and being the best of the best ,to them that does not cause stress or anything like it and that is the way they enjoy the game , you have no more say in it , than they have in how you should be playing in your own casual party.MercyKilling wrote: »You don't need to hear how stamina build is bad, you can just try it or, once again, use this "inhuman" math, to realize it can't be as good as magicka.
Once again, I refer you to the "play how you want" advertisement this game utilizes and how every build should be equally viable for all content.
And once again i say that is a very nice sentiment , but that is not how it actually works ingame , so it doesnt really matter much.MercyKilling wrote: »As for "quick effortless fix", you fail to understand that 99% of those players didn't have the correct armor set, the correct skills level up, probably not even the correct weapons
I'm sorry...but who the heck are YOU to say what's correct and what isn't? Just because someone doesn't have a cookie cutter build that follows the herd without question does not mean they aren't a skilled player.
Maybe he is the leader and he is calling elitist players to do a dungeon and requiring top gear to enter.
A player comes foward and lies about what they are using to be carried by said group , then the issue is that liar player , not on the guy pissed because he later found out he is carring someone.
Kicking that guy from the group is the least , hell he should also be reported by the group for disrupting their play time.
Dont lie to enter in a group , there are (apparently by your own statistics) more players that prefer to play the game casually and dont care about gear than players who do, play with those , dont try to make others carry you.MercyKilling wrote: »To sum things up, if you want a group that will accept you for who you are and how you want to play without caring about your DPS, you should join a group of players who are like you
This is perhaps the only truth you've managed to spout in the entire post you made. Kudos for that accomplishment.
Same could be said about you , i mean outside the whole selfish part where you keep saying one player should have the right to be carried by the rest of the party even if they dont want to do so.
In the end , the rule stands:
Play with people you know , if you intend to really run dungeons often and all that and still dont have a closed party , then keep in mind it is really worth it to get to know people for it."Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."
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Aenra✭✭✭✭with the exception of a couple of posters, the rest of you still don't get it
it's not about 'x' game as someone said, it is about a trend.
It is the way you have been trained to think.
It is no longer a game to you as it is to the rest of us people. You have adopted standards, and such is your right, that normal people, with a life outside their parsing files would deem as ludicrous
(hint) having a job equals not having a life
You are entitled to it. To each their own. But to each. Your wants are beyond that, as they will affect others. And if you are so good at it, then you should have an equally good guild you are a member of, and no need to inspect in the first place. It's why you have your guild to do those runs with. Right? No pugging.
On top of it,
1) you -can- petition for gear linking, so people can link when you ask them. See? Your end solved. And no one -unlike- you affected. Petition it, and i will click agree right away, post/bump your thread too
2) we already have a gear score addon in ESOUI.com.
The point however is elsewhere, and does not immediately concern you. Since you are so damn shortsighted. Sorry
The problem is people liking the idea of anonymity, of secrecy, privacy and most of all uniqueness. These are the people that play to chill, relax, escape, roleplay, whatever.
(if that last you fail to comprehend, uniqueness as in i made a very cool appearance outfit, i look unique, no one wears somethign even close, and obviously, i am enjoying this, i worked for it, i do not care sharing it)
These people do not disagree out of gear score fears. They are not in your mindset. They will however be affected by something that has nothing to do with them in the first place.
Someone, in their lack of insight and originality, tried and succeeded at making monkeys out of people. Lacking anything better to do, they put a banana at the end of a corridor, and the monkeys rejoiced in sheer bliss. Pure win, with zero a creative cost. Ever since then, the monkeys have kept chasing that banana to no end.
(HINT) if you are such a person, this is probably the wrong game to be in you know. Case it has escaped you.Pride, honour and purity1 -
loudent✭✭✭Lord_Draevan wrote: »All this reminds of the days of doing Lvl 55 Dread Palace and Dread Fortress Ops in SW:TOR, all the players saying "if you're not specced/geared 'this way', it'll be uncompletable!" Then my group goes in, not specced/geared 'this way' and complete it without the group wiping once.
If you've got a good group that knows the fights, good healers, and well-coordinated in teamspeak, that matters more than your gear and spec. Not to say those are worthless, mind you.
Well, duh! Of course well coordinated groups of familiar players using teamspeak don't need the best loadouts.
But that's not what they're talking about here. They're talking about random PUG people. Some who don't have any TS type software and they certainly aren't well-coordinated. In that scenario you need to level the odds. Making sure the gear + loadout is the best you can get stacks the deck a bit. Sure a crappy player is a crappy player but any player, crappy or awesome, plays better with the right loadouts.
However, that's not my scene. Mostly I want an inspect because the whining about it amuses me.
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AoEnwyr✭✭✭✭I don't want to be able to "inspect" a person's build or stats, that's their business and I am a firm beliver of diversity in gaming. What I would like to see is what armour they are wearing/dyes they have used simply because if I like something I want to be able to hunt it down. I mean I could ask people but that would involve talking to people I don't know *hyperventilates*.1 -
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✭I gotta say, I find some few of the comments here about trials and the rationalizations about build "requirements" rather bizzare and exaggerated frankly. Once you get your timing down to the point of farming, there is really little meaning to completing trials in the same way anyway, especially if you are at all interested in being challenged at least, so the fuss some are kicking up about taking on "sub par" people or "carrying people" from a PuG is really ill placed in that context.
Anyone truly interested in progression raiding - something which is entirely lacking in this game by the way, let's not kid ourselves here.... - is actually rather amused by completing these runs with something other than the stickdress party/min-maxed "optimal" speedy gonzalez build, anyway. Mainly because there is really little else to do right now, lol. Heck, some of us actually thrive on setting things up the "wrong way" just for sh_ts and giggles. To suggest trials cannot be cleared in but only one way, is also total BS by the way - truth is they are not that hard and this was discussed months ago even on the PTS let alone after nerfs hit live. You really think we have been selling gear like hot cakes left and right because trials have been so super hard to get done? lol It is also not difficult to reallocating the ridiculous amount of skillpoints you get into a change out of builds and learning to apply a new rotation to be more effective. Geez five skills, really tough.
Come on, people. Trial and error is a process raiders thrive on to figure things out, so to suggest it is a problem to be overcome to the point of avoiding it altogether by excluding people on the basis of the inspection tells one lot about the experience at this that some claim they have in the first place as opposed to the other way around, and what kind of players they really are - you are just verifying what some here are criticizing you for in the first place. Happily, I don't have to run with such people (and yeah, you don't have to run with me either
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✭tino.antoninieb17_ESO wrote: »I agree that inspect - gear and active loadouts is very attractive option. Each player has to have option to prevent others to inspect him.
As others have said, it doesn't help.
My last mmo, Lotro has an anonymous option, but if you tried to join a raid, first thing that would happen is you would be asked to turn it off so they could inspect you, and if you didn't, you would ge kicked.
As far as the raid leaders were concerned, if you don't want them inspecting you, you must have something to hide.
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Innkwell_ESO✭✭"nerevarine1138 wrote: »
Nope.
Any time someone asks me what my DPS is in a trial, I say this exact sentence, "When I get a DPS meter, I'll let you know. Since that's never happening, you can either have the boss die faster with me, or go play Excel with people who enjoy that."
I have no desire to get in measuring contests with other players. Gear inspection, damage meters, etc. are all for measuring contests. Period."
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lol, people who don't understand the point of A.C.T and other DPS/HPS meters are absolute ***.
When you go to work and they tell you they are doing a performance report to make sure everyone is doing their job and not just along for a free ride... do you sneak out the back for a cigarette???
And before you tell me that an MMO is not a job, you are right... it's not. Unfortunately for you and those like you, when it comes to endgame content people want top notch players who DO CARE about their DPS/HPS and the only way to prove that is by them putting up their numbers.
As someone who enjoys playing a melee sorcerer, do you think I like being pigeon-holed into using a staff/light armor because its leagues beyond anything else for sustained DPS in long engagements??
Hell no, but I suck it up when we need to clear content withing a certain time constraint and ZOS provides no other effective alternatives that don't result in massive wipes and the fights taking ten times longer.
You do what you have to do and you use the tools that help you better understand why you make those decisions.
Please do me a favor and go take the speedometer off of your car, because you don't need to be in competition of anyone else and if you are going 15 on the freeway.. WHO CARES that's how you want to drive... right ???!!
Good Luck getting to do any endgame content w/ players who give a *** about progression.
P. S. In my experience at least 90% of these players who don't like trackers are awful and can't learn a rotation to save their lives, don't even play "endgame group content" so they only get trashed on by people who know their ass from a hole in the ground.
OR ... or they are lazy and think that actually learning proper spell rotation and min/max dps takes too much effort.Edited by Innkwell_ESO on August 15, 2014 4:25AM4 -
RedMiniStapler✭✭✭Innkwell_ESO wrote: »Please do me a favor and go take the speedometer off of your car, because you don't need to be in competition of anyone else and if you are going 15 on the freeway.. WHO CARES that's how you want to drive... right ???!!
Ummm... it's illegal to drive slower than the speed limit**, last time I checked there's no zenimax law stating the "damage limit" those people have abide in game? unless Zenimax changed it in last couple month that i'm not aware of?
**It's not illegal to drive 10-15mph below the speed limit but certainly not legal to drive 15mph on the freeway. Although cops can actually give you tickets for driving at a speed "less than the normal speed of traffic" or Impeding traffic.0 -
Draxuul✭✭✭Attorneyatlawl wrote: »nerevarine1138 wrote: »Nope.
Any time someone asks me what my DPS is in a trial, I say this exact sentence, "When I get a DPS meter, I'll let you know. Since that's never happening, you can either have the boss die faster with me, or go play Excel with people who enjoy that."
I have no desire to get in measuring contests with other players. Gear inspection, damage meters, etc. are all for measuring contests. Period.
And that's when I tell you this....
"Cool, the game requires certain levels of damage to clear the encounters and while I don't expect everyone to be a master theorycrafter, we do expect a certain level of competence and trying to make a proper effort for the other 11 people in the group. I'm sorry but we are not going to be able to take you."
This mentallity is one of the biggest reasons why i quit playing WoW. Now there are many other reasons but this one certainly is a major one.
Those holy trinity purists who act like it's a religion and there is only one way to success kinda crap.
Being yelled at if your build is different than most and being rejected from joining groups for the same reason without anyone giving you a chance to prove that you can get the job done just as well as anyone else.
I absolutly have no respect for that kind of mentallity. And it's also one of the main reasons why i mostly stick to the solo stuff, otherwise i pretty much end up being pissed off . Not because someone in my group fails but because someone in my group is insulting everyone else who doesn't play HIS WAY.Be who you want to be , do what you want to do, play the way you want to play.
The Prophet once said :``There is no perfect choice , there are only other choices. ``
Same goes for your build. There is no perfect build, there are only other builds.
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Anastasia✭✭✭✭I gotta say, I find some few of the comments here about trials and the rationalizations about build "requirements" rather bizzare and exaggerated frankly. Once you get your timing down to the point of farming, there is really little meaning to completing trials in the same way anyway, especially if you are at all interested in being challenged at least, so the fuss some are kicking up about taking on "sub par" people or "carrying people" from a PuG is really ill placed in that context.
Anyone truly interested in progression raiding - something which is entirely lacking in this game by the way, let's not kid ourselves here.... - is actually rather amused by completing these runs with something other than the stickdress party/min-maxed "optimal" speedy gonzalez build, anyway. Mainly because there is really little else to do right now, lol. Heck, some of us actually thrive on setting things up the "wrong way" just for sh_ts and giggles. To suggest trials cannot be cleared in but only one way, is also total BS by the way - truth is they are not that hard and this was discussed months ago even on the PTS let alone after nerfs hit live. You really think we have been selling gear like hot cakes left and right because trials have been so super hard to get done? lol It is also not difficult to reallocating the ridiculous amount of skillpoints you get into a change out of builds and learning to apply a new rotation to be more effective. Geez five skills, really tough.
Come on, people. Trial and error is a process raiders thrive on to figure things out, so to suggest it is a problem to be overcome to the point of avoiding it altogether by excluding people on the basis of the inspection tells one lot about the experience at this that some claim they have in the first place as opposed to the other way around, and what kind of players they really are - you are just verifying what some here are criticizing you for in the first place. Happily, I don't have to run with such people (and yeah, you don't have to run with me either )
Soulshine, you made the part of my day that is involved in TESO with your awesome post! For my part I agree with an inspection feature if there is an opt out. I don't think anyone really has to have that option to set a bar if needed in groups. Its been obtainable in several ways since the beginning.
"Anyone truly interested in progression raiding - something which is entirely lacking in this game by the way, let's not kid ourselves here.... - is actually rather amused by completing these runs with something other than the stickdress party/min-maxed "optimal" speedy gonzalez build, anyway. Mainly because there is really little else to do right now, lol. Heck, some of us actually thrive on setting things up the "wrong way" just for sh_ts and giggles.
To suggest trials cannot be cleared in but only one way, is also total BS by the way - truth is they are not that hard and this was discussed months ago even on the PTS let alone after nerfs hit live. You really think we have been selling gear like hot cakes left and right because trials have been so super hard to get done? lol It is also not difficult to reallocating the ridiculous amount of skillpoints you get into a change out of builds and learning to apply a new rotation to be more effective. Geez five skills, really tough.
Come on, people. Trial and error is a process raiders thrive on to figure things out..."
I'd like to say however, the bit near the end of your post you said about: "It is also not difficult to reallocating the ridiculous amount of skillpoints you get into a change out of builds and learning to apply a new rotation to be more effective." doesn't ring true in this MMO as far as a majority of players go it would seem.
Instead of asking for more, and wanting this dev staff to ADD something relevant to the grouping content they originally designed for mid-to-upper level Vet content, too many players called for nerfing it. I think more choice is almost always better; so some fun content for soloers and some fun and relevant content for grouping up and learning, earning and getting prepped for endgame should be a given in an MMO. In this case it fooled some into not utilizing other choices that were already there.
Elsewise the cries in support of Nerfing Vet+ content INSTEAD of cries and long, long threads of support directed at ZOS to implement excellent reasons FOR grouping up. Or why wasn't there literally hundreds of threads made, added to and highlighted seeking or asking ZOS FOR better group bonus e x p and or BETTER loot, all of which would have led to more people wanting to group, more fun, and more learning along the path toward TESO's endgame. Well that would have happened if the greater majority of players had the capability and interest to put a few extra minutes into figuring out "reallocation of skillpoints, adjustment of gear, or changing up/having a secondary build based on the mob objective they faced."
Instead there were a multitude of threads asking ever so nicely and not, for ZOS to make Vet+ content comfy for soloers. Ergo the July 7th Nerf (*easiest decision for ZOS to make instead of being called out to make the original design work better for their players). You know, the Nerf that directly affects the type of player who arrives at TESO endgame. That was and is being followed up by these same people with additional requests for solo-centric content in parallel with new content coming up as well.
Simultaneously exactly what was easily seen ahead of time as a direct result of the PvE vet nerf is occurring of course. "Gee - why is it so hard to get people to group up for Craglorn?" "Wow, people are so elitist in Trial groups...not fair I can't get a spot in a group because I don't have a certain build. I didn't get the chance to learn and evolve my alternate build along the way in Vet content, so why would I be taxed with knowing I need to have it at endgame when I arrive? Just not fair." o-0
So, I am not so much agreeing with your confidence that being flexible and bothering to take the time to adjust one's strategy so its possible to reign supreme over a challenging quest and/or mobs, is even a factor in this MMO at all. Continuously intriguing to me.Edited by Anastasia on August 15, 2014 8:19AM2 -
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✭So, I am not so much agreeing with your confidence that being flexible and bothering to take the time to adjust one's strategy so its possible to reign supreme over a challenging quest and/or mobs, is even a factor in this MMO at all. Continuously intriguing to me.
Thanks for the reply. I quoted the last bit of your post because I think we actually we are agreeing that it isn't a factor in this game, I just worded it differently to underscore how silly the whole build issue really is since it just wasn't a factor in the game even before the nerfs, let alone now - despite the complaing I see from some. I have read more than a few posts going on and on about how "hard" and "how much work" it is to "learn a new build" which is really just not true in my experience, but then I do not approach solo content and especially not group content in the way that I am reading some here do 2 -
Pendrillion✭✭✭✭And voilà, people who are aggravated because of lacking teamplay... theres a reason. I agree that leeching off a group who is better than you is immoral. Other than that I agree with the whole idea, that elitism is bad for an MMO. DPS meters can be added as far as I hear.
But if you carry weaker players along it definitely adds to your karma. Of course failing the Dungeon because of a "stupid noobz0r" can ruin your day. But somehow I felt that most people kinda know what to do in this game. And well... I keep hearing Tanks are superfluous these days. Are they kicked regularly from raids? Just wondering...2 -
apostate9✭✭✭✭✭Attorneyatlawl wrote: »nerevarine1138 wrote: »Nope.
Any time someone asks me what my DPS is in a trial, I say this exact sentence, "When I get a DPS meter, I'll let you know. Since that's never happening, you can either have the boss die faster with me, or go play Excel with people who enjoy that."
I have no desire to get in measuring contests with other players. Gear inspection, damage meters, etc. are all for measuring contests. Period.
And that's when I tell you this....
"Cool, the game requires certain levels of damage to clear the encounters and while I don't expect everyone to be a master theorycrafter, we do expect a certain level of competence and trying to make a proper effort for the other 11 people in the group. I'm sorry but we are not going to be able to take you."
That's prolly when he says " I don't care. Your insistence on being the arbiter of competence doesn't actually mean you have any, so GLHF I will join the next group, right down the road."3 -
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✭No thank you. I suppose you want them to be able to view your skills as well?
I'd rather keep my super awesome ninja skills and gear a secret0 -
apostate9✭✭✭✭✭Thechemicals wrote: »Um....i can already tell you what everyone is wearing....at least everyone who is good.
Naw, you really can't. This website made you thik that...but you'lre wrong. Ask the AD/DC cross-dressers I've been ROFLPWNing in heavy armor with a sword.
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epoling✭✭✭✭How am I ever going to get better at groups in this game if people aren't willing to "carry" me a few times while I learn?2 -
Michael308✭✭✭A resounding no. If people want to share their builds on a website or whatever to advance the art and science of theorycrafting, that is one thing. But for my preference, in-game you should no more have x-ray glasses to peer under the cloak than we do on the streets in real life.Courage is fear holding on a minute longer.0