i (used to) want to.... Inspect YOU (until this post)

kitsinni

Increased number of subscribers .. really? That is about as far of a reach as you could possibly make. I'm sure there are literally millions of subscribers with their finger on the trigger but have not made the jump to ESO because lack of inspecting players!

Soulshine

xMovingTarget wrote: »

Orchish wrote: »

Just another way for elitist players to kick people from groups.

Thats BS and you know it. What stops a Raidleader to demand a person posting him the gear he has on? It would make no difference. The outcome still stays the same. And its not about being elitist.

I give you a lil perspective here. There are days when we dont get a full 12 Guildrun together. No friends in needed roles online. So i take a random from chat. I ask these players what they are using and having on them. Why would i not?
Because we farm the trials and just run through. We dont want ppl with us that are just leeching or causing us unnecessary Problems. You see the point? And now you tell me whats wrong with it please? So i can understand!

Inspecting or asking to post gear is the same thing with the same outcome. It would just make it less of a hassle and would take less time.

Asking ppl to tell you what they have and how they play is one thing. Assuming they are a sh_it player for not having x-piece of gear, or set up you think they should run is something else altogether... and if you run groups as you claim then you should know exactly what I mean.

I have raided in other games for years. Being able to see a person's build/gear tells you some info you need to see yes, but it is no guarantee that you will not end up carrying their behind when push comes to shove. Happens over and over.

Consider also that at this moment, there are literally tons of players in game who have bought the gear they are wearing instead of earning it themselves since ZoS was goofy enough to make the dropped items from trials BoE... people have a legitimate reason to be concerned about judgement calls being made against them soley on the basis of what gear they have - so, in other words, let's not pretend those concerns are not legitimate.

kitsinni

xMovingTarget wrote: »

Orchish wrote: »

Just another way for elitist players to kick people from groups.

Thats BS and you know it. What stops a Raidleader to demand a person posting him the gear he has on? It would make no difference. The outcome still stays the same. And its not about being elitist.

I give you a lil perspective here. There are days when we dont get a full 12 Guildrun together. No friends in needed roles online. So i take a random from chat. I ask these players what they are using and having on them. Why would i not?
Because we farm the trials and just run through. We dont want ppl with us that are just leeching or causing us unnecessary Problems. You see the point? And now you tell me whats wrong with it please? So i can understand!

Inspecting or asking to post gear is the same thing with the same outcome. It would just make it less of a hassle and would take less time.

Well your situation might be different but say you are in a 12 man pug having players link 11-12 pieces and inspecting everyone, set bonuses and enchants is not really that practical.

The biggest difference is as soon as an inspect feature is in someone makes and addon that assigns a point value to each piece and that is all anyone will look at from then on.

TehMagnus

Please people, stop with the "WOW" references, the entire world doesn't turn about WOW and how much it sucks or how immature it's player base is (guess we got some people traumatized for life because of it).

Aion has this, Lineage II has this, many MMOs have this and it is usually done through websites and it has been working very well without issues.

Pseudonym wrote: »

A lot of people have already mentioned this, but it's used by elitists to boot people from groups.

Don't worry, those groups usually have more than 70% players that know each-other and know they play good which means if something goes wrong, it must be the pugs, in most cases, someone will quickly realize you are clueless about what you're doing.

Personally, as soon as I have someone in my trial group asking time to build ulti between bosses or failing to use an ultimate at the set time because "ulti not up", or failing to stack properly or failing to skip trash(and most of times dying in the process) I know it's a noob. I don't need to check his gear to know this. He might be wearing legendary Aether gear he bought after 1.3, I'd still know it's a noob.

Mind you, I'm all for accepting pugs in raid groups as long as there is enough people to carry them and they accept to come on TS, so usually someone will yell at them "WTF u doing! Ok let's engage the boss, he'll catch up", but I have seen some raid leaders with this kind of behavior and gear inspection will not change the end result: if you're bad and the leader is a ***** he will ask you to post your DPS (because if he's an elitist, he asked for your dps before inviting you). When you fail to do it or show your 800 dps, you will get kicked.

One important thing to take into account: The percentage of **** that act like that is minimal compared to the amount of nice players who (as some have said) just want to get the content done and don't care much about who they are raiding with (and u usally learn much more in those groups than in elitists groups where everybody expects you to just perform). Usually, to check gear, you need to go to the website and you actually loose time. If the raid leader has that much time to waste or is such a maniac to have only elites, he will catch your "noobiness" with or without gear inspection and playing with him is probably not worth your time in any case.


Too bad you don't want gear inspection, because while you where playing with the group (90% won't bother to check your gear), you might have spotted good players whose builds you could have inspected and which would have helped you get better . Or when, in PVP, you get owned by a mechanic or see someone outplaying you in your own class, you could check it out, see what the **** he is doing.



But yeah, I guess dreaming of crashing an "Elite" group (before being kicked for incompetence) is worth the fact nobody can inspect anybody's gear and learn something in the process.

Phinix1

Attorneyatlawl wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

Nope.

Any time someone asks me what my DPS is in a trial, I say this exact sentence, "When I get a DPS meter, I'll let you know. Since that's never happening, you can either have the boss die faster with me, or go play Excel with people who enjoy that."

I have no desire to get in measuring contests with other players. Gear inspection, damage meters, etc. are all for measuring contests. Period.

And that's when I tell you this....
"Cool, the game requires certain levels of damage to clear the encounters and while I don't expect everyone to be a master theorycrafter, we do expect a certain level of competence and trying to make a proper effort for the other 11 people in the group. I'm sorry but we are not going to be able to take you."

Which is when I point out: "But that isn't really what you are doing, is it. You are justifying an unsubstantiated bias based on inhuman and partial numbers that fail to take into account player skill or spec whatsoever, and calling it "science" to feel better about it. You heard someone parroting "Stamina is bad" on the internet, and instead of attempting to broaden your horizons you went with the path of least resistance, opted for the easy out, the quick "fix," requiring the least possible amount of time or effort, and paid forward the trend of banning of anyone not wearing Light Armor and a stick from your elitist epeen raidz."

GG.

technohic

I'm actually ok with people wanting to make sure who they group with are competant, but thats why you have guilds.

As far as inspect player goes; no thanks. I have a weird tick where I do not want someone copying me completely. Even when I see a video of someone doing awesome stuff, I tweak the build to be different. There's really no rhyme or reason, either. Sometimes it might be a little better; other times I wreck the recipe, but I'm still me.

Wow. That seems odd for myself when I type it out like that. Whats next? Am I going to catch myself role playing?

TehMagnus

AlienDiplomat wrote: »

Attorneyatlawl wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

Nope.

Any time someone asks me what my DPS is in a trial, I say this exact sentence, "When I get a DPS meter, I'll let you know. Since that's never happening, you can either have the boss die faster with me, or go play Excel with people who enjoy that."

I have no desire to get in measuring contests with other players. Gear inspection, damage meters, etc. are all for measuring contests. Period.

And that's when I tell you this....
"Cool, the game requires certain levels of damage to clear the encounters and while I don't expect everyone to be a master theorycrafter, we do expect a certain level of competence and trying to make a proper effort for the other 11 people in the group. I'm sorry but we are not going to be able to take you."

Which is when I point out: "But that isn't really what you are doing, is it. You are justifying an unsubstantiated bias based on inhuman and partial numbers that fail to take into account player skill or spec whatsoever, and calling it "science" to feel better about it. You heard someone parroting "Stamina is bad" on the internet, and instead of attempting to broaden your horizons you went with the path of least resistance, opted for the easy out, the quick "fix," requiring the least possible amount of time or effort, and paid forward the trend of banning of anyone not wearing Light Armor and a stick from your elitist epeen raidz."

GG.

Actually it is what he is doing and you're clearly preaching to the wrong quire. The aim of such groups is to to quickly clear runs to get loot and it's a totally acceptable aim (that you loose once you are fully stuffed btw). If you lack DPS, if you use stamina build, you will make it more difficult for the group to accomplish their objective. If your objective is the same as theirs, then, seeing how the game works at the moment, you should wear Light Armor and a stick.

It is not unsubstantiated bias, it's math, based on numbers (which is all games are about and where invented by humans to quantify the world so you should explain how a number can be inhuman) it doesn't fail to take into account player skill since the only thing that counts in trials is your level of DPS and avoiding red circles/areas. The higher your skill, the higher your DPS.

You don't need to hear how stamina build is bad, you can just try it or, once again, use this "inhuman" math, to realize it can't be as good as magicka.

As for "quick effortless fix", you fail to understand that 99% of those players didn't have the correct armor set, the correct skills level up, probably not even the correct weapons and had to put out an enormous amount of work and money to change everything plus an equal amount of time to learn how to spam the skills correctly. You on the other hand, have probably been building the same stamina build for a long time and expect people to carry you till the end of trials to get loot? Who's asking for a quick fix now?

To sum things up, if you want a group that will accept you for who you are and how you want to play without caring about your DPS, you should join a group of players who are like you (and there are a lot of people looking for people to do trials with without requiring an amount of DPS or a specific build). Don't expect to get past 3rd AA boss though . Maybe you'll be happy just doing that, maybe you'll get frustrated and understand why those "Elite" groups (which btw, are far from elite for most of them) didn't want you with them.

smeeprocketnub19_ESO

Rhastar wrote: »

Very interesting on how perspectives vary from game to game. Seems we were approaching it from different perspectives but your loot discrimination point is valid.

All I can say is far enough, I think you all have a strong argument against. fair enough, you convinced me

this is the first time anyone has been convinced of anything on the internet!

*cue ticker tape parade, marching band, and balloon animals*

A leap forward for the internetz, may we have many more!

moxiesauce

We don't need an inspect player system to tell if they are wearing a dress/stick. Seems irrelevant at the time being. Lol

Desdemonte

Absolutely not.

Merlin13KAGL

UnholyPerfection wrote: »

If only you could somehow link gear...

@UnholyPerfection‌, Right or /AskaFrigginQuestion...

If the Inspect were to get implemented (without any consent, at least), I think it should include use of a Magnifying Glass and violation of personal space.

Of course, I think the Inspectee should also be able to clock the individual at that point.

Most people, in most circumstances are willing to pass on a certain amount of information, as long as it's requested respectfully.

Pmarsico9

I don't believe that inspecting should be necessary, but this game clearly need item levels/gearscore implemented as soon as possible.......

>.>

<.<












trollllololol

Pmarsico9

Attorneyatlawl wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

Nope.

Any time someone asks me what my DPS is in a trial, I say this exact sentence, "When I get a DPS meter, I'll let you know. Since that's never happening, you can either have the boss die faster with me, or go play Excel with people who enjoy that."

I have no desire to get in measuring contests with other players. Gear inspection, damage meters, etc. are all for measuring contests. Period.

And that's when I tell you this....
"Cool, the game requires certain levels of damage to clear the encounters and while I don't expect everyone to be a master theorycrafter, we do expect a certain level of competence and trying to make a proper effort for the other 11 people in the group. I'm sorry but we are not going to be able to take you."

Yeah but gear inflation and stat scaling isn't so great that you need to know more than a player's class.

KhajitFurTrader

AlienDiplomat wrote: »

Which is when I point out: "But that isn't really what you are doing, is it. You are justifying an unsubstantiated bias based on inhuman and partial numbers that fail to take into account player skill or spec whatsoever, and calling it "science" to feel better about it. You heard someone parroting "Stamina is bad" on the internet, and instead of attempting to broaden your horizons you went with the path of least resistance, opted for the easy out, the quick "fix," requiring the least possible amount of time or effort, and paid forward the trend of banning of anyone not wearing Light Armor and a stick from your elitist epeen raidz."

I just... just... swooned over your reply! (for want of a better word)

Of course, you wouldn't get invited to the group regardless after such a riposte, because more often than not, group leaders will feel like they have just been called an idiot, and rightly so.

Thechemicals

Um....i can already tell you what everyone is wearing....at least everyone who is good.

DontBeAfraid

Rhastar wrote: »

One aspect I love about some MMOs is the ability to inspect other characters. I love inspecting other characters and seeing what gear they are rocking, especially if they are good. One thing that I think is seriously lacking in this game is the ability to inspect other players and see what kind of gear they're sporting while killing foes and pwning face.

FOR THOSE WHO WANT THE SHORT VERSION...
I want to be able to inspect your gear and see what gear and enchantments you have.

WHY... Inspecting gives people things to look forward to and aim for. Inspires new profession choices. Increased number of subscribers!

We need another central hub where new players and Vets can see one another. This, or a re-purposing of an existing area would work just as well.

MORE BENEFITS OF INSPECTING? Inspire new players, show off cool loot, promote interaction despite level, etc. Something like this in addition to making a better dedicated area where top level players and brand new characters interact will be a great asset for inspiring new players to keep playing and see all the bad ass gear they 'could' get along with all the other potentials made available via your crafting system.

Not too sure if i'd consider this a petition or not, but if you would like to see inspecting in the game show the post some love!

my gear and enchants are NONE of your business.
if i find a new build / way to play - not talking about exploits - then i want to benefit for myself and only for myself.

gear inspect function would make me be a tutorial for everyone. NO THANKS.

pitdemon_ESO

I don't really get it.

If you're in an elitist PVE guild, why are you taking randoms on trial runs?

Evergnar

There would have to be an achievement that went with it, "You have unlocked the creepy peeping tom stalker achievement".

Logan9a

Natjur wrote: »

If they ever add the option to allow players to inspect my gear, I would want an option to disable it to stop players was inspecting my gear.

Here's how that goes.

Natjur: "I want to raid with you guys!"
Elitist: "I can't inspect your gear."
Natjur: "I turned that off."
Elitist: "Next applicant!"

Nope, having inspect only gives problems.

bluesodafizz

Well I don't know if I'd want my stats "inspected", but I would have no problem with someone seeing what the name of the armor or weapon model I have is. Like if they see me wearing Stygian or Way of the Air and don't know what it is.

Francescolg

Guys, please understand, that TESO is also a Console Game and, therefore, many "absolutely cool features you're all used to" simply are not included!!

First of all: the limited 5 skill bar + 1 ultimate, that sucks sooooooo much! So, if you accepted that and still are playing TESO you accept every limitation else!

tino.antoninieb17_ESO

I agree that inspect - gear and active loadouts is very attractive option. Each player has to have option to prevent others to inspect him.

Qalie

What I'd like is inspection from a vanity/fluff perspective. In other words, let me inspect someone, show me their gear but hide the stats. If ZOS wanted they could add an option to reveal them by the player, but what I'd mainly be interested in is seeing the style of armor or weapon, along with the type - heavy, medium, light, and maybe the dye colors. I know some people will say they wouldn't want their look copied, but mostly I use inspiration like that to create my own look, but only parts of it. There have definitely been times where I really wanted to know, though. If i could find out the specific piece, that'd be great for future reference, but even the basics would be awesome.

MikeBob

Vendersleigh wrote: »

Definitely not wanted by me.

Same here.

In MMOs I've played where it was possible to /inspect other player characters, it was no boon to anyone and only served the personal interests of the nosy and/or insecure elitists who did the /inspecting.

Among others it was an annoyance at best (being spammed with 'so-and-so is inspecting you' is no fun at all, in my view), and at worst, it served as a catalyst for the type of elitist attitudes and behavior described elsewhere in this thread.

Thanks but no thanks.

Nox_Aeterna

Logan9a wrote: »

Natjur wrote: »

If they ever add the option to allow players to inspect my gear, I would want an option to disable it to stop players was inspecting my gear.

Here's how that goes.

Natjur: "I want to raid with you guys!"
Elitist: "I can't inspect your gear."
Natjur: "I turned that off."
Elitist: "Next applicant!"

Nope, having inspect only gives problems.

Natjur: "I want to raid with you guys!"
Elitist: "Link your gear."
Natjur: "I dont want to."
Elitist: "Next applicant!"

Assuming you are afraid of the inspect because you dont have good gear to begin with, the only exit here is trying to link something you dont have , so you are just lying to get yourself into a group that would otherwise not welcome you.

IKilled007

I think instead of being able to inspect gear, we should be able to inspect players' stats.

Sighlynce

Nah.. I'd rather you and anyone else stay outta my armor let alone my enchantments

MikeBob

IKilled007 wrote: »

I think instead of being able to inspect gear, we should be able to inspect players' stats.

Absolutely not, because then you have every jack-wagon who's a self-appointed expert on character builds taking the place of those who are self-appointed experts on gear - six of one, half a dozen of another.

Again: thanks but no thanks.

Kvasir Silverpaw

Orchish wrote: »

Just another way for elitist players to kick people from groups.

so its ok to lie to get into said group and no one can check to make sure your not lying until they figure it out much later after many deaths

Lord_Draevan

All this reminds of the days of doing Lvl 55 Dread Palace and Dread Fortress Ops in SW:TOR, all the players saying "if you're not specced/geared 'this way', it'll be uncompletable!" Then my group goes in, not specced/geared 'this way' and complete it without the group wiping once.
If you've got a good group that knows the fights, good healers, and well-coordinated in teamspeak, that matters more than your gear and spec. Not to say those are worthless, mind you.