i (used to) want to.... Inspect YOU (until this post)

andersvaeldsb16_ESO

In my guild there is already certain standards you have to full fill for to be invited to raids. 2k health unbuffed and a full item set (five pieces). Character inspection will come - and make it easier for raid leaders to find appropriate raid members. No reason to carry the weight of a nuub who will become one shot and perform badly due to low dps.

reggielee

I dont want the ability in this game to inspect, but I used to use it mainly to inspect cosmetic attire in other games, see what pieces they used to get the look they had. thought i would throw it out there amongst all the inspect for armor/gear posts , heh

PBpsy

Aenra wrote: »

No inspection.

You have allowed yourself to be "trained" in such a way. I am sorry for that.

This is a game, not a e-peen competition. I know they taught you to look at it thus, which is really sad though, isn't it. This is all about escapism, not competing and bragging and trying to push yourself to be "b3tt3r"

Is it curiosity? If so, should not curiosity have its limits? How is it that you find yourself entitled to be able to tell everything about someone at any given a time? Since when is this something we have allowed to become a standard?

And in regards to the central hub where all the complexed people can gather and play the success pretense (to put it kindly)..are you absolutely sure you want those people, or the mentality they carry with them in this game? Have you not seen where it can, without fail, lead to?

Yes this is a game . Games can be enjoyed at at very low level just for *** and giggles or at a competitive and organized level.There is no problem with either type of player.However one should not disrupt the other group.
A theorycrafter should not join a casual group and attempt to change the other players gameplay, a just for fun player shouldn't try be in an organized group that tries to set a time or farm something fast or anything if he is unable and unwilling to work towards that goal. Doing that is ridiculously selfish,disruptive and rude, even if it is a game. Anyone ca play chess with their friends for fun but that doesn't mean they should be allowed in a chess team tournament because it is a game.

I am not even in a competitive group since I do not have the time but I do respect people that want to play that way.

Aenra

PBpsy wrote: »

I am not even in a competitive group since I do not have the time but I do respect people that want to play that way.

yes dear, but they do not respect you;
they also fail to comprehend, let alone support, your wants and needs.

since they usually oppose their own

PBpsy

Aenra wrote: »

PBpsy wrote: »

I am not even in a competitive group since I do not have the time but I do respect people that want to play that way.

yes dear, but they do not respect you;
they also fail to comprehend, let alone support, your wants and needs.

since they usually oppose their own

First don't call me 'dear'.

Second the rest of your post is incomprehensible .

NorthernFury

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

Nope.

Any time someone asks me what my DPS is in a trial, I say this exact sentence, "When I get a DPS meter, I'll let you know. Since that's never happening, you can either have the boss die faster with me, or go play Excel with people who enjoy that."

I have no desire to get in measuring contests with other players. Gear inspection, damage meters, etc. are all for measuring contests. Period.

LOL I read your post, and immediately went to

Inspect feature =

Aenra

PBpsy wrote: »

First don't call me 'dear'.

Second the rest of your post is incomprehensible .

in some ways, your two sentences say the exact same thing, but i will leave that to you to figure out. A very good day to you

kijima

No, just no.

This isn't WoW.

Nox_Aeterna

Attorneyatlawl wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

Nope.

Any time someone asks me what my DPS is in a trial, I say this exact sentence, "When I get a DPS meter, I'll let you know. Since that's never happening, you can either have the boss die faster with me, or go play Excel with people who enjoy that."

I have no desire to get in measuring contests with other players. Gear inspection, damage meters, etc. are all for measuring contests. Period.

And that's when I tell you this....
"Cool, the game requires certain levels of damage to clear the encounters and while I don't expect everyone to be a master theorycrafter, we do expect a certain level of competence and trying to make a proper effort for the other 11 people in the group. I'm sorry but we are not going to be able to take you."

I agree with this.

In the end , there are groups and groups.

If it is a group that wants everything maxed , everything top , everything the best ... And you dont have/meet those standards , then you have no place playing with them. End of story.

They dont have to carry other player that dont make an effort to reach this same level.

Like i said multiple times , it is perfectly fine to kick a person right now because you just think they are below your standards , this feature would just give you the tool to confirm it.

There are also casual groups that run the content just to beat it , doesnt matter if you die a few times or if takes a lot longer ... All that is fine as long as in the end of the day you win the dungeon. Which is also perfectly fine, it is just another way to play the same game.

An actual argument about this issue , is that by having this feature it becomes a more common practice to check this. Right now since we lack such feature the number of groups that will just kick you as soon as they think you are lacking are much smaller than the number after this feature gets implemented.

UnholyPerfection

If only you could somehow link gear...

Uisi

Why do you want to see my undies? You perv ...!

RedMiniStapler

Uisi wrote: »

Why do you want to see my undies? You perv ...!

With my x-ray vision shows that you forgot to wear yours today

Azraeel

This is turning out like WoW, NO! I don't like the idea of inspecting nor gear score crap. If you want those two, then why did you leave WoW in the first place? I want to play a game that rewards people with good gear in the tough content, but doesn't rotate everything around gear as much as builds and skills.

Just like you would want to inspect others for inspiration, people would use that to deny others into dungeons and raids. I'm pretty sure if people inspect my tank, they won't let me tank considering I wear 7 light armor, but guess what? All is working out well.

Less raids, more coop content, that's what I like to see.

RedMiniStapler

*decked in heroic warforged gear, and ride on most ridiculous and obnoxious mount, then just hover in front of AH or any other area in orgrimmar. *

"Casuals and newbs, you may bask in the awesomeness oozing Outta my heroic warforged gears. And I shall idle here and stroke my epeen "

Kos

My vote is NO. I used to play WoW. I remember being about level 30 on my paladin and waiting for other people outside a low level dungeon. While I was waiting two random a-holes showed up and started inspecting me and laughing out loud about how I distributed some of my talent points... I DON'T want to see this in ESO.

Circuitous

So the reason I want inspect is so I can see what a certain style of gear is, or get a peek at someone's build quickly. Not for elitism purposes, but so I can take their options into consideration for myself later. Not everyone gives enough of a crap to link their gear for your curiosity.

If it shows skills and stuff, too? Awesome, I can help someone with their build without asking them which skills they have one at a time. Yeah, that's a real problem that's come up for me, believe it or not.

Those of you scared that it would just make elitism easier: a party leader can already ask you to link all your gear in chat and kick you for not complying or having an inferior build already. This would just make it slightly faster, saving everyone valuable time.

Ojustaboo

While I do agree with all the people not wanting to be inspected, sometimes it would be nice if I could show another guild member whose nowhere near me, what I'm wearing, from a cosmetic pov.

tengri

Requests like that are the main reason I even wear a crappy costume over my (now beautifully dyed I dare to say) armor.
If you want any information about my char... ask me nicely. Or gtfo.

KhajitFurTrader

Attorneyatlawl wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

Nope.

Any time someone asks me what my DPS is in a trial, I say this exact sentence, "When I get a DPS meter, I'll let you know. Since that's never happening, you can either have the boss die faster with me, or go play Excel with people who enjoy that."

I have no desire to get in measuring contests with other players. Gear inspection, damage meters, etc. are all for measuring contests. Period.

And that's when I tell you this....
"Cool, the game requires certain levels of damage to clear the encounters and while I don't expect everyone to be a master theorycrafter, we do expect a certain level of competence and trying to make a proper effort for the other 11 people in the group. I'm sorry but we are not going to be able to take you."

Taking this attitude further, ZOS should totally add a mandatorily viewable player competence score, so anyone can see at first glance whether an applicant for grouping is worth inviting or not. No inspection, not even an interview needed.

Hell, they should then go right ahead and build a "minimum PCS" filter into the group finder. Obvious result: players complain that the group finder has become broken, since it seems to not find anyone worth to group with anymore...

Noctisse

Nope! I'm against this. If I wanted my gear to be visible, I wouldn't be wearing a civilian attire disguise on top of it. It is always some set that compliments my build, I keep it polished and up to date; that's all there is to it.
Oh well, I'll admit that 2 hours ago I cleared a public instance of my lvl with severely damaged armor, but nobody minded that because hey, I was solo.
Of course, out of respect towards fellow groupies, I wouldn't be wearing rags when in group, but the point is that gear is not the most important determinant of performance, especially in a game with so many class/weapon/armor/skill/enchantment/buff/potion combination possibilities.

michaelb14a_ESO2

I think it's really funny hearing people refer to wow "elitist players". Wow is the easiest, most hand held themepark mmo of its time! It's why it did so well. These posers pretend that the game their playing imposes some type of punishment for not doing well?

GTFO Wow-leetz. Go play vanilla ULTIMA Online with its open world PVP, death penalty, full open pvp loot. Or even Everquest, where you not only have a death penalty to skills and experience, you also had to retrieve your corpse if you wanted your sh*t back. Raids were 100+ people events that took real leadership and organization.

My point. Both of these "hardcore" games had full on player inspect. I would never see a raid leader inspecting gear tier. These wow-elites don't inspect gear to improve their party they gear discriminate to get their little epeen hard. I love inspecting players gear..,, getting too see other equipment thought processes and builds is fun and mostly gets down out of envy win win

phaneub17_ESO

I agree with the option of being able to disable others from inspecting me or at least give me a notification when someone does it.

ipong926

NO I do not want to be naked
I want my secret!

xMovingTarget

Orchish wrote: »

Just another way for elitist players to kick people from groups.

Thats BS and you know it. What stops a Raidleader to demand a person posting him the gear he has on? It would make no difference. The outcome still stays the same. And its not about being elitist.

I give you a lil perspective here. There are days when we dont get a full 12 Guildrun together. No friends in needed roles online. So i take a random from chat. I ask these players what they are using and having on them. Why would i not?
Because we farm the trials and just run through. We dont want ppl with us that are just leeching or causing us unnecessary Problems. You see the point? And now you tell me whats wrong with it please? So i can understand!

Inspecting or asking to post gear is the same thing with the same outcome. It would just make it less of a hassle and would take less time.

p_tsakirisb16_ESO

More madness from those who have no real lives outside the bedroom in their parents house.

TequilaFire

Oh great elitist leaders, don't like my equipment?
Why not just challenge me to to a 1v1 and see who kicks who's behind. (sarcasm)
Good equipment is required to an extent, however I would rather have someone who knows what he/she is doing and knows how to play his/her class in the group.

Pseudonym

A lot of people have already mentioned this, but it's used by elitists to boot people from groups.

Phinix1

Not no, but HELL no. This is not only another way for elitist Excel fappers to discriminate against others based on numbers they may not fully comprehend rather than skill, but it also further dehumanizes the MMO experience.

Here is a perfect example:

"Hey bro, sweet looking gear. Mind telling me what it is?"
"Sure man. It's [Blah] that I crafted and use to blah blah blah..."

Compare that potentially useful conversation with this:

Random guy runs up and stands on your face so he is close enough to inspect you, then runs off without saying a word since he got what he needed and has no desire to engage in useless human contact. Me me me...

Yeah. No.

Azraeel

Circuitous wrote: »

So the reason I want inspect is so I can see what a certain style of gear is, or get a peek at someone's build quickly. Not for elitism purposes, but so I can take their options into consideration for myself later. Not everyone gives enough of a crap to link their gear for your curiosity.

If it shows skills and stuff, too? Awesome, I can help someone with their build without asking them which skills they have one at a time. Yeah, that's a real problem that's come up for me, believe it or not.

Those of you scared that it would just make elitism easier: a party leader can already ask you to link all your gear in chat and kick you for not complying or having an inferior build already. This would just make it slightly faster, saving everyone valuable time.

Here is a simple workaround, COMMUNICATION. Just ask the person what type of armor he/she is wearing, I'm sure they would answer. Who knows, you might just make a new friend in the process!

TehMagnus

Attorneyatlawl wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

Nope.

Any time someone asks me what my DPS is in a trial, I say this exact sentence, "When I get a DPS meter, I'll let you know. Since that's never happening, you can either have the boss die faster with me, or go play Excel with people who enjoy that."

I have no desire to get in measuring contests with other players. Gear inspection, damage meters, etc. are all for measuring contests. Period.

And that's when I tell you this....
"Cool, the game requires certain levels of damage to clear the encounters and while I don't expect everyone to be a master theorycrafter, we do expect a certain level of competence and trying to make a proper effort for the other 11 people in the group. I'm sorry but we are not going to be able to take you."

That's a very very nice answer, most people would just say:
"K ++".