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Why can't I kill cats?
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Dekkameron✭✭✭✭✭Maybe those cats are actually one of the Khajiit species the Alfiq. So are classed as npcs.Alfiq
A quadrupedal form of Khajiit, the Alfiq is, in many respects, similar to a common housecat. Although diminutive in form, the Alfiq retain the keen intelligence of the Khajiiti, having the ability to understand the spoken word of others, although unable to respond. It is possible that they can cast spells.Edited by Dekkameron on August 10, 2014 11:14PM- Veteran Combat Librarian -0 -
Requiemslove✭✭✭All life is sacred. Not all life is understandable for why this is so but it is regardless. Human's are not superior to any creature, or organism or anything that registers as alive. Adaptation and invention makes us dominant but then, we need to be as physically we are inferior to many different creatures. It is our nature to seek dominance, and to seek rule, over one another, and over other life. It is contentious that it is right or not to be so, but regardless to our way, our nature. All life is precious. No life is inferior to other life. It is just different.1 -
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✭Edited by GreySix on August 11, 2014 2:59AMCrotchety Old Man Guild
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ThisOnePosts✭✭✭✭✭Kids should never be able to be harmed in games, not without you first revealing your address incase any funny business happens we know whose door to kick in first.
As far as animals go.. sure. Cats should be killable so we can use their guts for fishing. Wahhhhhhhh don't hurt cats it's easy to tell who the people are in this thread that are lonely IRL. LOL2 -
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✭You may as well load up a trebuchet full of diseased cats and be able to zing them across the wall of the keep you are trying to take. The cats when landed then damage enemy players inside the keep with disease as a result.
That suggestion is on par with some of the crazy suggestions I've seen as of late like flying mounts, guns and being able to kill children.
Been here since Feb 2014 - You'd think I'd be half reasonable at this game by now...3 -
AoEnwyr✭✭✭✭You may as well load up a trebuchet full of diseased cats and be able to zing them across the wall of the keep you are trying to take. The cats when landed then damage enemy players inside the keep with disease as a result.
That suggestion is on par with some of the crazy suggestions I've seen as of late like flying mounts, guns and being able to kill children.
I believe the OP has specifically asked people to stop talking about killable children on this thread.1 -
isengrimb16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭If cultural relativity demands that we tolerate cat and dog eating cultures, then those who eat cats and dogs must tolerate cultures who despise such behaviour.
[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Inappropriate Content]
Edited by ZOS_MichelleA on August 11, 2014 8:00AM0 -
isengrimb16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭isengrimb16_ESO wrote: »If cultural relativity demands that we tolerate cat and dog eating cultures, then those who eat cats and dogs must tolerate cultures who despise such behaviour.aipex8_ESO wrote: »aipex8_ESO wrote: »aipex8_ESO wrote: »DaedricCheese wrote: »DaedricCheese wrote: »My cat is on my lap right now.
...i mean, i don't think he would like to see me killing his brethren
You dont havto slay cats, but why not let us who want to? Sounds a bit selfish?
Oh wait you're serious aren't you?
Well, maybe they should be killable with the Justice System update (and may as well make the bounty for killing each 9999999g).
Ofc im serious, there is very little difference between a cat and a mudcrab really.I dont see why cat & dogs couldnt be part of cooking & alchemy recepies etc. Would make sense really.
Because most people's RL cats and dogs are important members of their family and seeing people running around killing them in game would be just as distasteful as seeing people running around killing children. RL crabs are something you eat at the sea food restaurant. Pretty simple really. As a cat lover I'd like to thank ZOS for that!
I dont buy that. If people cant distinguish between whats real life and fiction they should perhaps find some other hobby and not be playing games or watch movies either really.
Just because it's fictional, and not real life, doesn't mean that it doesn't illicit an emotional response. That is the definition of good fiction. I'm not in favor of censorship, and of course there are going to be games and movies where children and animals are tortured and killed, but those are going to illicit a very different emotional response than what ZOS is going for in this game.
Yes, but we are talking about cat & dog npcs in a game here, last time i played skyrim i coud hunt for deer, rabbits and rats and what not. Rabbits are a common pet aswell as rats?
I see what you are saying, but this really boils down to an emotional issue, and you can't apply straight logic to it. Yes, rabbits and rats CAN be pets, but they are more often food or pests in Western society. Dogs and cats are almost exclusively pets, and very beloved pets. I'm usually a very logical person, but am very close to my pets and find it emotionally distressing to see cats or dogs killed or tortured in movies. I understand that movies where that happens are usually dark and trying to illicit that response. I understand that, I'm not confusing real life with fantasy. I'm saying ZOS isn't going for a dark/horror feel where we see gore and beheadings and children and pets being killed.
Well, many trite stories also go for the "kid in danger" angle, because that elicits an emotional response from most humans.
My tabletop group made a point of avoiding "kid in danger" hooks in all our various games, because it was just too hackneyed and trite.
Oh, and where I live, pet rats are illegal, and you'll get your butt hit harder being caught with one of them than with an ounce of marijuana.
[Moderator Note: Edited quote to match moderated version]Edited by ZOS_JuhoJ on August 11, 2014 9:10AM0 -
Araflin✭✭✭Thanks @AngryNord, If you'd have read more than the title you'd have seen I covered that in the OP.
" Brave Clarice. You will let me know when those Nirnroot stop screaming, won't you?"0 -
isengrimb16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭isengrimb16_ESO wrote: »isengrimb16_ESO wrote: »If cultural relativity demands that we tolerate cat and dog eating cultures, then those who eat cats and dogs must tolerate cultures who despise such behaviour.
I'm expected to put up with dog and cat eaters, as well as those whose cultural slogan is "girls are for breeding, boys are for fun."
Well, others can suffer my ethics, too.aipex8_ESO wrote: »aipex8_ESO wrote: »aipex8_ESO wrote: »DaedricCheese wrote: »DaedricCheese wrote: »My cat is on my lap right now.
...i mean, i don't think he would like to see me killing his brethren
You dont havto slay cats, but why not let us who want to? Sounds a bit selfish?
Oh wait you're serious aren't you?
Well, maybe they should be killable with the Justice System update (and may as well make the bounty for killing each 9999999g).
Ofc im serious, there is very little difference between a cat and a mudcrab really.I dont see why cat & dogs couldnt be part of cooking & alchemy recepies etc. Would make sense really.
Because most people's RL cats and dogs are important members of their family and seeing people running around killing them in game would be just as distasteful as seeing people running around killing children. RL crabs are something you eat at the sea food restaurant. Pretty simple really. As a cat lover I'd like to thank ZOS for that!
I dont buy that. If people cant distinguish between whats real life and fiction they should perhaps find some other hobby and not be playing games or watch movies either really.
Just because it's fictional, and not real life, doesn't mean that it doesn't illicit an emotional response. That is the definition of good fiction. I'm not in favor of censorship, and of course there are going to be games and movies where children and animals are tortured and killed, but those are going to illicit a very different emotional response than what ZOS is going for in this game.
Yes, but we are talking about cat & dog npcs in a game here, last time i played skyrim i coud hunt for deer, rabbits and rats and what not. Rabbits are a common pet aswell as rats?
I see what you are saying, but this really boils down to an emotional issue, and you can't apply straight logic to it. Yes, rabbits and rats CAN be pets, but they are more often food or pests in Western society. Dogs and cats are almost exclusively pets, and very beloved pets. I'm usually a very logical person, but am very close to my pets and find it emotionally distressing to see cats or dogs killed or tortured in movies. I understand that movies where that happens are usually dark and trying to illicit that response. I understand that, I'm not confusing real life with fantasy. I'm saying ZOS isn't going for a dark/horror feel where we see gore and beheadings and children and pets being killed.
Well, many trite stories also go for the "kid in danger" angle, because that elicits an emotional response from most humans.
My tabletop group made a point of avoiding "kid in danger" hooks in all our various games, because it was just too hackneyed and trite.
Oh, and where I live, pet rats are illegal, and you'll get your butt hit harder being caught with one of them than with an ounce of marijuana.
And I will always fail to understand why it's OK to fear APBTs, but it's wrong for me to cross the street when I see a suspicious looking human wearing a suspicious looking Hefty bag.
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✭Thanks @AngryNord, If you'd have read more than the title you'd have seen I covered that in the OP.
Reading more than tittle?
Aint nobody got time for that. :P"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."
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Raash✭✭✭✭I think it has been proven time and time again that killable cats & dogs in game would be both logical and an addition to crafting etc. And for the sake of those who wants to protect them by all means, make the damn critters marriable
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smeeprocketnub19_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭I think it has been proven time and time again that killable cats & dogs in game would be both logical and an addition to crafting etc. And for the sake of those who wants to protect them by all means, make the damn critters marriable
I didn't realize crafting was an angle we could go for with this.
Kitten-hide jacks, anyone?Dear Sister, I do not spread rumors, I create them.0 -
Araflin✭✭✭smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »I didn't realize crafting was an angle we could go for with this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsFHEK_o9U8 " Brave Clarice. You will let me know when those Nirnroot stop screaming, won't you?"1 -
Raash✭✭✭✭smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »I think it has been proven time and time again that killable cats & dogs in game would be both logical and an addition to crafting etc. And for the sake of those who wants to protect them by all means, make the damn critters marriable
I didn't realize crafting was an angle we could go for with this.
Kitten-hide jacks, anyone?
I have mentioned lucky charms such as cat paws & teeth or a dog tail/teeth, you could have feathers from the birds and lots of stuff that would enchance crafting.Edited by Raash on August 11, 2014 1:15PM1 -
Raash✭✭✭✭isengrimb16_ESO wrote: »I think it has been proven time and time again that killable cats & dogs in game would be both logical and an addition to crafting etc. And for the sake of those who wants to protect them by all means, make the damn critters marriable
Same goes for kids, maybe? Not every country has minimum age of marriage laws you know - so in the name of multiculturalism ...(some countries that do, set it as low as 9 for girls for religio-historical reasons - if we're going to bring in cultures that think it's OK to eat cats and dogs, then let's by all means bring in cultures that don't recognize the same marriage laws we do. And after all, hippies have been bellyaching since the 1960s about how old-fashioned and restrictive our marriage/sexual ethos is, and have been begging us to be freer like those more enlightened, sexually free cultures where they marry kids and have sex with everything that walks because it's a right to.)
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I think we should leave out IRL stuff such as personal, political & religious moral views etc really, this is a game based on fictional lore and takes place in a fantasy setting. You should learn to keep such stuff apart from each other.Edited by Raash on August 11, 2014 1:27PM1 -
Zouni✭✭✭Horses...! Make them part of a cooking recipe!!Nyxtes - NB
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Araflin✭✭✭I live in France. That, @Zouni, is normal. There's even a small section of the chilled meat counter in Supermarkets for "Cheval". I'm sure the re-work of Provisioning may include it. Edited by Araflin on August 11, 2014 1:56PM" Brave Clarice. You will let me know when those Nirnroot stop screaming, won't you?"0
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✭They might as well, maggots and plump rodent toes are already ingredients.Dear Sister, I do not spread rumors, I create them.0 -
Araflin✭✭✭I do see a repeated defence here of, "Because they may be a Khajiit relation or sub-species". Fine, come a Justice system, if any Khajiit's spot me killing one so I can go fishing with it's guts / use its pelt in crafting then I guess I am in for a fine. As long as there IS a discernible difference between one of these Alfiq and a domestic cat so my guilt or innocence can be proven." Brave Clarice. You will let me know when those Nirnroot stop screaming, won't you?"0
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✭I do see a repeated defence here of, "Because they may be a Khajiit relation or sub-species". Fine, come a Justice system, if any Khajiit's spot me killing one so I can go fishing with it's guts / use its pelt in crafting then I guess I am in for a fine. As long as there IS a discernible difference between one of these Alfiq and a domestic cat so my guilt or innocence can be proven.
Maybe all cats are alfiq, we can never know. So we just have to assume you're a murderer either way.Dear Sister, I do not spread rumors, I create them.0 -
seaef✭✭✭✭✭Lancillotto wrote: »Because cats are the rulers of the universe.
My seven hunting dogs would disagree.
Cats are food.
"The Illuminati are very achievement focused. It's like Xbox - only everything is hardcore."
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✭✭✭✭All for being able to target anything...so long as its' kind can target you.
I find some amusement in the prospect of some bored Bow wielder experiencing a Sleepwalkers moment in the middle of town square.Just because you don't like the way something is doesn't necessarily make it wrong...
Earn it.
IRL'ing for a while for assorted reasons, in forum, and in game.I am neither warm, nor fuzzy...
Probably has checkbox on Customer Service profile that say High Aggro, 99% immunity to BS0
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