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Dragons? (or some other epic battle, doesn't have to be a dragon, that is just an example)
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AlexDougherty✭✭✭✭✭
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Lore is the basis of continuity, and without continuity it isn't Elder Scrolls (or any other MMO based on a previous game.).
We want fun, but lets not totally ruin the feel of the game.
Now as I said earlier, there is nothing stopping things like THIRTY FOOT ATTRONACHS, or Monsters the size of a house.People believe what they either want to be true or what they are afraid is true!
Wizard's first rule
Passion rules reason
Wizard's third rule
Mind what people Do, not what they say, for actions betray a lie.
Wizard's fifth rule
Willfully turning aside from the truth is treason to one's self
Wizard's tenth rule0 -
R1ckyDaMan✭✭✭✭R1ckyDaMan wrote: »Please no I hated the world bosses in gw2 because my whole screen became a blob.MrDenimChicken wrote: »R1ckyDaMan wrote: »Please no I hated the world bosses in gw2 because my whole screen became a blob.
Also the game is designed in a way for old hardware to play it ok, these fights would be content that alot of players would not be able to do.
omg boo hoo. So you would rather prevent other people from playing a better game with more content, because some people don't want or can't invest in a better computer? How selfish.
I play ultra at 60fps 100% of time, to me its not a problem, but to alot of people it would be.0 -
ItsRejectz✭✭✭✭✭The isn't DAoC and no to dragonsXbox EU - GT: o69 Woody 69o
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Pristia✭✭ItsRejectz wrote: »The isn't DAoC and no to dragons
Have you not read all the posts that say It doesn't have to be dragons, something more lore friendly would work. People must have blinders on when they read this, or don't read the entire post and just see the word dragon and say no... some people need to read a bit further before posting.Edited by Pristia on August 9, 2014 10:29PMYou have to learn the rules of the game. And then you have to play better than anyone else.
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Nox_Aeterna✭✭✭✭✭
✭Nah , dragons in TES lore , atleast the ones in skyrim , are actually a bunch of wyverns.
We could have some actual dragons , but they would be called something else since the wyverns are already called "dragons" here :P."Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."
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WraithAzraiel✭✭✭✭✭
✭ZOS already stated prior to launch that there would be no dragons.Shendell De'Gull - V14 Vampire Nightblade
Captain of the Black Howling
"There's no such thing as overkill..."
"No problem on the face of the Earth exists what can't be fixed with the proper application of enough duct tape and 550 cord."
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Royalroacho✭✭✭Dragons have kinda lost their aspect of mystery or awe inspiring nature or whatever for me. It probly has something to do with having played wow through cataclysm. Everyone and their uncle was riding dragons, or comparing their dragon to your dragon at the dragonwash, or in disguise as a dragon, or a dragon in disguise, or selling t-shirts with pictures of dragons on them, or attending seminars about how they could improve their efficiency at aquiring more dragons. Outside of that game too, its a very popular fantasy theme. Giant world bosses still make an impression on me, though. Id like to see an entire town decimated, and their corpses used to create an enormouse grotesque necro monster mountain or something. The "that's no moon..." kinda feeling.
Also, I think nomatter what they do, itll feel a little lore breaking. Most events in tamriel were meticulously recorded and represented in game literature. Its one of the greatest parts of es games, to me. Its gotta make it really hard to come up with new content without offending the fans...Edited by Royalroacho on August 10, 2014 4:10AM0 -
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✭^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^Shendell De'Gull - V14 Vampire Nightblade
Captain of the Black Howling
"There's no such thing as overkill..."
"No problem on the face of the Earth exists what can't be fixed with the proper application of enough duct tape and 550 cord."
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#Tamriel_BETA_Team
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xxslam48xxb14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭There could actually be dragons in eso, the blades didn't find and kill every dragon. Some went in to hiding like paarthurnax and then you have Vulthuryol chilling out in the blackreach doing.......... um idk why he was stuck down there. Talos had a dragon that helped him conquer shortly after this game takes place so NO it would not be lore breaking as many assume. Considering not much is known about this time period zos can absolutely put dragons in(not like a common enemy, maybe like 1 boss).
Ahbiilok is supposedly not dead and fled to morrowind, says the skyrim book "Atlas of dragons". Future Content maybe? Idk we dont fight him in skyrim and he is only ever mentioned in books.
Oh god yeah that really rustles my jimmies. Why have a distinction between the two if everyone just ignores it and calls wyverns dragons? Heres a lesson for everyone, dragons have four legs and wyverns have two! You can look it up in a google search if you don't believe me. I know neither really exist, but come on would it make sense to call an ogre a minotaur?Nox_Aeterna wrote: »Nah , dragons in TES lore , atleast the ones in skyrim , are actually a bunch of wyverns.
We could have some actual dragons , but they would be called something else since the wyverns are already called "dragons" here :P.Edited by xxslam48xxb14_ESO on August 10, 2014 5:29AMI wrote a poem that I titled, "The ganker's delight."
As you lay upon the ground, cry not little pawn.
The pain will pass as quickly as my blade did take you,
but my delight will last and you will respawn.
My heart simply cannot contain my joy, when I ply my trade.
The fault lies with you, your skill was lacking.
Now your salt is mine forever, can't you hear the laughing?
Once you were so proud and now you are reduced to this.
A miserable, loud deuced fool.
With every tear you drip, with every excuse you let slip.
All of your insecurities and worries bring a smile to my lip.
From your despair I have ripped endless glories,
but our affair is over now. Be afraid for I will return for more.
I have received many titles, to my allies I am The sniper Emperor and Grand champion hero of the Pact. However these titles mean little to me, it is the ones given to me by my victims that I prefer. To them I am "Xv1er", "trash", "no balls", "zerger", "noob", "cringe", "no skill", "camper", "100% new", "the reason this game is dying", "pathetic", "a sack of piece of [snip]", "mediocre", "absolute inbred", "beyond a virgin", "ganky dork", "fat smelly 40yr old virgin", "little girl", "daddy", "exploiting loser", and every [snipped] word known to man.0 -
AngryNord✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Super_Sonico wrote: »What are the dragons that are in the final mission on the way toward Molag Bal? There's a huge dragon near a bridge in Cyrodil...
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AlexDougherty✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭xxslam48xxb14_ESO wrote: »There could actually be dragons in eso, the blades didn't find and kill every dragon. Some went in to hiding like paarthurnax and then you have Vulthuryol chilling out in the blackreach doing.......... um idk why he was stuck down there. Talos had a dragon that helped him conquer shortly after this game takes place so NO it would not be lore breaking as many assume. Considering not much is known about this time period zos can absolutely put dragons in(not like a common enemy, maybe like 1 boss).
Ahbiilok is supposedly not dead and fled to morrowind, says the skyrim book "Atlas of dragons". Future Content maybe? Idk we dont fight him in skyrim and he is only ever mentioned in books.
Oh god yeah that really rustles my jimmies. Why have a distinction between the two if everyone just ignores it and calls wyverns dragons? Heres a lesson for everyone, dragons have four legs and wyverns have two! You can look it up in a google search if you don't believe me.Nox_Aeterna wrote: »Nah , dragons in TES lore , atleast the ones in skyrim , are actually a bunch of wyverns.
We could have some actual dragons , but they would be called something else since the wyverns are already called "dragons" here :P.
Different universe, different rules.
In TES universe dragons only have two legs, and nothing is called a wyvern.
Don't blend universes like that.
And prior to Dungeons and Dragons there were millions of definitions for dragons, no two of which agreed. In the old definitions Dragons could have two legs, four legs, or even no legs. The might or might not have breathed fire. And came in all sizes. Most where lizards though, but not all.
Google won't tell you that.People believe what they either want to be true or what they are afraid is true!
Wizard's first rule
Passion rules reason
Wizard's third rule
Mind what people Do, not what they say, for actions betray a lie.
Wizard's fifth rule
Willfully turning aside from the truth is treason to one's self
Wizard's tenth rule1 -
xxslam48xxb14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
Im not talking about dungeons and dragons im talking about the original myths. Google wyvern and check out the wikepedia page.AlexDougherty wrote: »xxslam48xxb14_ESO wrote: »There could actually be dragons in eso, the blades didn't find and kill every dragon. Some went in to hiding like paarthurnax and then you have Vulthuryol chilling out in the blackreach doing.......... um idk why he was stuck down there. Talos had a dragon that helped him conquer shortly after this game takes place so NO it would not be lore breaking as many assume. Considering not much is known about this time period zos can absolutely put dragons in(not like a common enemy, maybe like 1 boss).
Ahbiilok is supposedly not dead and fled to morrowind, says the skyrim book "Atlas of dragons". Future Content maybe? Idk we dont fight him in skyrim and he is only ever mentioned in books.
Oh god yeah that really rustles my jimmies. Why have a distinction between the two if everyone just ignores it and calls wyverns dragons? Heres a lesson for everyone, dragons have four legs and wyverns have two! You can look it up in a google search if you don't believe me.Nox_Aeterna wrote: »Nah , dragons in TES lore , atleast the ones in skyrim , are actually a bunch of wyverns.
We could have some actual dragons , but they would be called something else since the wyverns are already called "dragons" here :P.
Different universe, different rules.
In TES universe dragons only have two legs, and nothing is called a wyvern.
Don't blend universes like that.
And prior to Dungeons and Dragons there were millions of definitions for dragons, no two of which agreed. In the old definitions Dragons could have two legs, four legs, or even no legs. The might or might not have breathed fire. And came in all sizes. Most where lizards though, but not all.
Google won't tell you that.
I wrote a poem that I titled, "The ganker's delight."
As you lay upon the ground, cry not little pawn.
The pain will pass as quickly as my blade did take you,
but my delight will last and you will respawn.
My heart simply cannot contain my joy, when I ply my trade.
The fault lies with you, your skill was lacking.
Now your salt is mine forever, can't you hear the laughing?
Once you were so proud and now you are reduced to this.
A miserable, loud deuced fool.
With every tear you drip, with every excuse you let slip.
All of your insecurities and worries bring a smile to my lip.
From your despair I have ripped endless glories,
but our affair is over now. Be afraid for I will return for more.
I have received many titles, to my allies I am The sniper Emperor and Grand champion hero of the Pact. However these titles mean little to me, it is the ones given to me by my victims that I prefer. To them I am "Xv1er", "trash", "no balls", "zerger", "noob", "cringe", "no skill", "camper", "100% new", "the reason this game is dying", "pathetic", "a sack of piece of [snip]", "mediocre", "absolute inbred", "beyond a virgin", "ganky dork", "fat smelly 40yr old virgin", "little girl", "daddy", "exploiting loser", and every [snipped] word known to man.0 -
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✭prototypefb wrote: »game is called ELDER SCROLLS online, one thing scrolls can do is twist time and space so dragons shouldn't be a problem to introduce in game through some sort of time travel event(dunegeon?).
no, just stop. People need to stop suggesting time travel for everything.
Stop leaning on ridiculous deus ex machina to solve your problems.
There are no records of contact with dragons during this time. This means they weren't seen. If everyone has a chance to interact with them, that no longer becomes the case.
The scrolls are busy being bandied about by faction forces anyway.Dear Sister, I do not spread rumors, I create them.1 -
Nox_Aeterna✭✭✭✭✭
✭AlexDougherty wrote: »xxslam48xxb14_ESO wrote: »There could actually be dragons in eso, the blades didn't find and kill every dragon. Some went in to hiding like paarthurnax and then you have Vulthuryol chilling out in the blackreach doing.......... um idk why he was stuck down there. Talos had a dragon that helped him conquer shortly after this game takes place so NO it would not be lore breaking as many assume. Considering not much is known about this time period zos can absolutely put dragons in(not like a common enemy, maybe like 1 boss).
Ahbiilok is supposedly not dead and fled to morrowind, says the skyrim book "Atlas of dragons". Future Content maybe? Idk we dont fight him in skyrim and he is only ever mentioned in books.
Oh god yeah that really rustles my jimmies. Why have a distinction between the two if everyone just ignores it and calls wyverns dragons? Heres a lesson for everyone, dragons have four legs and wyverns have two! You can look it up in a google search if you don't believe me.Nox_Aeterna wrote: »Nah , dragons in TES lore , atleast the ones in skyrim , are actually a bunch of wyverns.
We could have some actual dragons , but they would be called something else since the wyverns are already called "dragons" here :P.
Different universe, different rules.
In TES universe dragons only have two legs, and nothing is called a wyvern.
Don't blend universes like that.
And prior to Dungeons and Dragons there were millions of definitions for dragons, no two of which agreed. In the old definitions Dragons could have two legs, four legs, or even no legs. The might or might not have breathed fire. And came in all sizes. Most where lizards though, but not all.
Google won't tell you that.
You are right to a point , there are indeed many definitions of what could be a dragon , we dont even need to look hard , the chinese dragon is quite different to the D&D dragon standard. I know that Pathfinder on the main bestiaries for example has both kinds of dragons actually and both are named dragon even if they look totally different.
I believe WoW for example called their wyverns "proto dragons" actually , but im not sure.
Still , i think we can agree that TES dragons are really well know with the name of wyvern by tons of RPG players."Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."
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Nocturnalfox✭✭✭To be frank it has been stated that according to lore the dragon was heavily in decline at this point.
HOWEVER
That does not mean they were completely gone, the door is not open but ajar for them to have maybe 1-2 dragon or dragon like bosses, or have the daedra bring one through some portal to lead the armies of daedra, we know they exist in other dimensions (Skyrims expansion).
What they can not do is have a continent of dragons for us to go slaying. It literally has to be 1-2, no more.Vasiliya Vet 8 DK -NA DC-
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✭✭✭✭✭Doesn't have to be dragons. A Daedric Prince would suffice. The only reason the hero (you as the player) was able to defeat Molag Bal was because you had the influence of the Amulet of Kings. Fight another Daedric Prince without it, and a huge raid could be made out of it. And since a Daedric Prince can pretty much take on any appearance they want, no reason they couldn't look like a dragon.0 -
AlexDougherty✭✭✭✭✭
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D&D standardised the dragons (yes they were being standardised before that, but D&D was the nail in the diversity coffin), but my point was the ORIGINAL myths had no standard definition for a dragon, let alone for wyverns. Every dragon story had a different type of dragon. I had a childrens book of them, and there was no common form/size/anything for a dragon.xxslam48xxb14_ESO wrote: »
Im not talking about dungeons and dragons im talking about the original myths. Google wyvern and check out the wikepedia page.AlexDougherty wrote: »xxslam48xxb14_ESO wrote: »There could actually be dragons in eso, the blades didn't find and kill every dragon. Some went in to hiding like paarthurnax and then you have Vulthuryol chilling out in the blackreach doing.......... um idk why he was stuck down there. Talos had a dragon that helped him conquer shortly after this game takes place so NO it would not be lore breaking as many assume. Considering not much is known about this time period zos can absolutely put dragons in(not like a common enemy, maybe like 1 boss).
Ahbiilok is supposedly not dead and fled to morrowind, says the skyrim book "Atlas of dragons". Future Content maybe? Idk we dont fight him in skyrim and he is only ever mentioned in books.
Oh god yeah that really rustles my jimmies. Why have a distinction between the two if everyone just ignores it and calls wyverns dragons? Heres a lesson for everyone, dragons have four legs and wyverns have two! You can look it up in a google search if you don't believe me.Nox_Aeterna wrote: »Nah , dragons in TES lore , atleast the ones in skyrim , are actually a bunch of wyverns.
We could have some actual dragons , but they would be called something else since the wyverns are already called "dragons" here :P.
Different universe, different rules.
In TES universe dragons only have two legs, and nothing is called a wyvern.
Don't blend universes like that.
And prior to Dungeons and Dragons there were millions of definitions for dragons, no two of which agreed. In the old definitions Dragons could have two legs, four legs, or even no legs. The might or might not have breathed fire. And came in all sizes. Most where lizards though, but not all.
Google won't tell you that.People believe what they either want to be true or what they are afraid is true!
Wizard's first rule
Passion rules reason
Wizard's third rule
Mind what people Do, not what they say, for actions betray a lie.
Wizard's fifth rule
Willfully turning aside from the truth is treason to one's self
Wizard's tenth rule0 -
AlexDougherty✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Nox_Aeterna wrote: »AlexDougherty wrote: »xxslam48xxb14_ESO wrote: »There could actually be dragons in eso, the blades didn't find and kill every dragon. Some went in to hiding like paarthurnax and then you have Vulthuryol chilling out in the blackreach doing.......... um idk why he was stuck down there. Talos had a dragon that helped him conquer shortly after this game takes place so NO it would not be lore breaking as many assume. Considering not much is known about this time period zos can absolutely put dragons in(not like a common enemy, maybe like 1 boss).
Ahbiilok is supposedly not dead and fled to morrowind, says the skyrim book "Atlas of dragons". Future Content maybe? Idk we dont fight him in skyrim and he is only ever mentioned in books.
Oh god yeah that really rustles my jimmies. Why have a distinction between the two if everyone just ignores it and calls wyverns dragons? Heres a lesson for everyone, dragons have four legs and wyverns have two! You can look it up in a google search if you don't believe me.Nox_Aeterna wrote: »Nah , dragons in TES lore , atleast the ones in skyrim , are actually a bunch of wyverns.
We could have some actual dragons , but they would be called something else since the wyverns are already called "dragons" here :P.
Different universe, different rules.
In TES universe dragons only have two legs, and nothing is called a wyvern.
Don't blend universes like that.
And prior to Dungeons and Dragons there were millions of definitions for dragons, no two of which agreed. In the old definitions Dragons could have two legs, four legs, or even no legs. The might or might not have breathed fire. And came in all sizes. Most where lizards though, but not all.
Google won't tell you that.
You are right to a point , there are indeed many definitions of what could be a dragon , we dont even need to look hard , the chinese dragon is quite different to the D&D dragon standard. I know that Pathfinder on the main bestiaries for example has both kinds of dragons actually and both are named dragon even if they look totally different.
I believe WoW for example called their wyverns "proto dragons" actually , but im not sure.
Still , i think we can agree that TES dragons are really well know with the name of wyvern by tons of RPG players.
Yes, I can agree to that.People believe what they either want to be true or what they are afraid is true!
Wizard's first rule
Passion rules reason
Wizard's third rule
Mind what people Do, not what they say, for actions betray a lie.
Wizard's fifth rule
Willfully turning aside from the truth is treason to one's self
Wizard's tenth rule0 -
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✭We don't need dragons. The dude who was the last boss in veteran Elden Hollow is epic enough. Looks even more scary than a dragon.0 -
poodlemasterb16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭The cool thing about Skyrim dragons is that any time you teleported to a Wayshire you had a good chance of having one there waiting.
A lot people hated that, but not me.
Hears scream in sky ... smiles ... here lizard, come to poppa ... switch out the Vampire Sword for the Dragon Sword. OK lets rock!
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✭poodlemasterb16_ESO wrote: »The cool thing about Skyrim dragons is that any time you teleported to a Wayshire you had a good chance of having one there waiting.
A lot people hated that, but not me. Hears scream in sky ... smiles ... here lizard, come to poppa ... switch out the Vampire Sword for the Dragon Sword. OK lets rock!
they kept killing merchants and quest NPCs when I'd fight them. Drove me nuts.
I needed all the merchants I could get to sell loot to and buy potions from.Dear Sister, I do not spread rumors, I create them.0 -
xxslam48xxb14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭Ok slightly off topic but I am ending this!
"A wyvern (/ˈwaɪvərn/ weye-vərn), sometimes spelled wivern, is a legendary winged creature with a dragon's head (which may be said to breathe fire or possess a venomous bite) and wings; a reptilian body; two legs (sometimes none); and a barbed tail. A sea-dwelling variant, dubbed the sea-wyvern, has a fish tail in place of a barbed dragon's tail. The wyvern in its various forms is important to heraldry, frequently appears as a mascot of schools and athletic teams (chiefly in the United States and United Kingdom), and occasionally appears in medieval and modern European and British literature as well as a multitude of video games."
OK I did the google search for you and I wont hold it against you because even wikipedia knows its a common mistake, "It is often mistaken for a dragon, which often has four legs and a pair of wings, as opposed to a wyvern, which has no more than two legs and a pair of wings." It really doesn't matter in the end though because people will ignore what is true and it is their right as a creator. However this does not make them right and the elderscrolls is unfortunately wrong on this minor naming issue. It really is minor, but none the less it annoys me and will probably continue to until the day I die.
Ok on topic though like I said earlier in the thread there is one "dragon"
unaccounted for named Ahbiilok and he is said to be somewhere in morrowind. He is mentioned in a skyrim book titled "Atlas of Dragons" for anyone interested in the possibility of a potential dragon encounter. This doesn't mean there can be skyrim levels of dragon activity, but just fighting him for whatever reason zos can think up would be totally within reason. Maybe he terrorizes Vvardenfell opening the island up to a future expansion? Who knows, but at least we have a chance right?
Since he is just one dragon maybe we would fight him in the open world as a world boss where he attacks a random settlement and we have to repel him. Then later maybe a trial to slay him in his lair where he no doubt will be stronger.Edited by xxslam48xxb14_ESO on August 11, 2014 2:55AMI wrote a poem that I titled, "The ganker's delight."
As you lay upon the ground, cry not little pawn.
The pain will pass as quickly as my blade did take you,
but my delight will last and you will respawn.
My heart simply cannot contain my joy, when I ply my trade.
The fault lies with you, your skill was lacking.
Now your salt is mine forever, can't you hear the laughing?
Once you were so proud and now you are reduced to this.
A miserable, loud deuced fool.
With every tear you drip, with every excuse you let slip.
All of your insecurities and worries bring a smile to my lip.
From your despair I have ripped endless glories,
but our affair is over now. Be afraid for I will return for more.
I have received many titles, to my allies I am The sniper Emperor and Grand champion hero of the Pact. However these titles mean little to me, it is the ones given to me by my victims that I prefer. To them I am "Xv1er", "trash", "no balls", "zerger", "noob", "cringe", "no skill", "camper", "100% new", "the reason this game is dying", "pathetic", "a sack of piece of [snip]", "mediocre", "absolute inbred", "beyond a virgin", "ganky dork", "fat smelly 40yr old virgin", "little girl", "daddy", "exploiting loser", and every [snipped] word known to man.0