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So is porting to a camp behind a closed gate bannable?
Columba
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Just curious. saw camps being placed behind a gate over and over tonight. a gate that has not been open since reset. Enquiring minds want to know. thank ewe!
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Mujuro✭✭✭✭AFAIK, no, it is not bannable. ZOS considers this a "gray area" (I believe this was stated by @ZOS_JessicaFolsom) and, as such, is perfectly acceptable. And let's just say I've seen much, much worse happen and players not get banned. :P6 -
wolfguard101✭✭✭*** if it isn't a bannable offence exploiting any game issue such as that the it should be.
Expected better from couple of the members I saw involved from AD faction... specially the ex long serving emperor from wabbajack they were all trying to tell us was so awesome in other posts on this forum.. But I like many submitted our reports on him and his mates. be nice to see some sort of action this time.. personally I would strip him of emperor title for a start and add the temp ban for first offence.
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✭Zenimax will lose the last shred of honor and credibility if they fail to take action on these types of things. really ruining the game when blatant cheaters are never banned. shame, shame shame. PERMA banning would be poetically just...just saying.3 -
wolfguard101✭✭✭Exploiting glitches in game code is a bannable offence if you do so knowing its an exploit.. the group that got the scroll knew this,.. its just like the old duping bug they banned many involved eventually so this is no different.
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Edited by ZOS_JoanaL on August 6, 2014 6:27AM1 -
Sharee✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Porting to such a camp probably should not be bannable, as the guy doing the porting usually (i mean it in a general sense) has no way to know whether the camp was placed there legally or not.
However getting behind a gate that is currently locked to place that camp in the firstplace should be bannable. As the one doing it definitely knows that he's doing someting that was not intended.10 -
Columba✭✭✭✭✭
✭Well. Since it's illegal to PLACE. A camp there, it would be logical to get banned for PORTING to an illegally placed camp, would it not?1 -
Sharee✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Well. Since it's illegal to PLACE. A camp there, it would be logical to get banned for PORTING to an illegally placed camp, would it not?
The problem is there is no clear way to know whether it has been placed illegally or not.
Say a player just logged in. He sees a camp. He might assume the gate was recently closed. He takes the advantage of the camp to get to a skyshard he was trying to collect. Should he be banned?
A rule for banning needs to take all possible scenarios into account, so that innocent players won't end up banned.Edited by Sharee on August 6, 2014 6:21AM7 -
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✭Can people prove that everyone that teleported to said camp knew it was a exploit?
If not , then nothing will come from this other than at most an warning.Porting to such a camp probably should not be bannable, as the guy doing the porting usually (i mean it in a general sense) has no way to know whether the camp was placed there legally or not.
However getting behind a gate that is currently locked to place that camp in the firstplace should be bannable. As the one doing it definitely knows that he's doing someting that was not intended.
Pretty much this.Well. Since it's illegal to PLACE. A camp there, it would be logical to get banned for PORTING to an illegally placed camp, would it not?
You assume too much. Not everybody would even know you can have a "illegally placed camp" to begin with. People see a camp , they just use it and that is it."Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."
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Columba✭✭✭✭✭
✭Well. Since it's illegal to PLACE. A camp there, it would be logical to get banned for PORTING to an illegally placed camp, would it not?
And how are you supposed to know it has been placed illegally?
Say a player just logged in. He sees a camp. He might assume the gate was recently closed. He takes the advantage of the camp to get to a skyshard he was trying to collect. Should he be banned?
If you make a rule for banning, it nees to take all possible scenarios into account, so that you won't end up banning innocent players.
Lol any camp behind a closed gate is suspect. There is no way 20+ players all happened to log on at once and just happen to notice a camp. It strains credulity, seriously.
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✭✭✭✭✭Well. Since it's illegal to PLACE. A camp there, it would be logical to get banned for PORTING to an illegally placed camp, would it not?
And how are you supposed to know it has been placed illegally?
Say a player just logged in. He sees a camp. He might assume the gate was recently closed. He takes the advantage of the camp to get to a skyshard he was trying to collect. Should he be banned?
If you make a rule for banning, it nees to take all possible scenarios into account, so that you won't end up banning innocent players.
Lol any camp behind a closed gate is suspect. There is no way 20+ players all happened to log on at once and just happen to notice a camp. It strains credulity, seriously.
Suspect or not, as long as there is some way to place that camp there legally, i have the right to assume it is legal.Edited by Sharee on August 6, 2014 6:28AM4 -
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✭Nox_Aeterna wrote: »Can people prove that everyone that teleported to said camp knew it was a exploit?
If not , then nothing will come from this other than at most an warning.Porting to such a camp probably should not be bannable, as the guy doing the porting usually (i mean it in a general sense) has no way to know whether the camp was placed there legally or not.
However getting behind a gate that is currently locked to place that camp in the firstplace should be bannable. As the one doing it definitely knows that he's doing someting that was not intended.
Pretty much this.Well. Since it's illegal to PLACE. A camp there, it would be logical to get banned for PORTING to an illegally placed camp, would it not?
You assume too much. Not everybody would even know you can have a "illegally placed camp" to begin with. People see a camp , they just use it and that is it.
Umm, they were playing for several hours before the camp went up. At no point during that period was the gate down. We saw them in game. We saw the AD hacking through the gate. Pretty open and shut case. I guess cheaters defend cheaters. Sorry your idols got busted.
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✭✭✭✭✭Nox_Aeterna wrote: »Can people prove that everyone that teleported to said camp knew it was a exploit?
If not , then nothing will come from this other than at most an warning.Porting to such a camp probably should not be bannable, as the guy doing the porting usually (i mean it in a general sense) has no way to know whether the camp was placed there legally or not.
However getting behind a gate that is currently locked to place that camp in the firstplace should be bannable. As the one doing it definitely knows that he's doing someting that was not intended.
Pretty much this.Well. Since it's illegal to PLACE. A camp there, it would be logical to get banned for PORTING to an illegally placed camp, would it not?
You assume too much. Not everybody would even know you can have a "illegally placed camp" to begin with. People see a camp , they just use it and that is it.
Umm, they were playing for several hours before the camp went up. We saw them in game. We saw the ap hacking through the gate. I guess cheaters defend cheaters. Sorry your idols got busted.
Dude. Keep those personal insults in your closet. There are no cheaters here defending anything. There are people who see the bigger picture explaining to you why a blanket 'you will be banned if you respawn at a camp that's behind a gate' rule might end up banning innocent people.2 -
Hello everyone. If there's ever a question as to what you believe to be permissible or not in-game, you can report the incident or the players in question and we will investigate each report fully and take the appropriate actions. Reporting incidents in-game is the preferred method for reporting violations, as the in-game reports contain important information that help in the investigation process.
See our Support article for more information on reporting players in-game.3 -
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✭Dude, I already explained the situation. They were either knowingly participating in the hack or tragically stupid not to realize that it was place by a hacker. I don't believe the latter is possible, having watched them play.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Dude, I already explained the situation. They were either knowingly participating in the hack or tragically stupid not to realize that it was place by a hacker. I don't believe the latter is possible, having watched them play.
We are talking about a general rule for banning here(see thread subject). Such a rule would be applicable to everyone, not just those 20 guys that you saw.
If you make a rule for banning, you must make sure there is no way some innocent player will get banned by it 3 months from now.
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✭Nox_Aeterna wrote: »Can people prove that everyone that teleported to said camp knew it was a exploit?
If not , then nothing will come from this other than at most an warning.Porting to such a camp probably should not be bannable, as the guy doing the porting usually (i mean it in a general sense) has no way to know whether the camp was placed there legally or not.
However getting behind a gate that is currently locked to place that camp in the firstplace should be bannable. As the one doing it definitely knows that he's doing someting that was not intended.
Pretty much this.Well. Since it's illegal to PLACE. A camp there, it would be logical to get banned for PORTING to an illegally placed camp, would it not?
You assume too much. Not everybody would even know you can have a "illegally placed camp" to begin with. People see a camp , they just use it and that is it.
Umm, they were playing for several hours before the camp went up. At no point during that period was the gate down. We saw them in game. We saw the AD hacking through the gate. Pretty open and shut case. I guess cheaters defend cheaters. Sorry your idols got busted.
:P I wont even bother responding to this.
The mod gave you the answer you wanted , report them ingame and then leave them to check case by case."Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."
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✭So, playing for several hours, seeing a camp mysteriously pop up behind a gate that's been closed all day, and merrily porting to camp is peachy? Ok, I think I got my answer.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭So, playing for several hours, seeing a camp mysteriously pop up behind a gate that's been closed all day, and merrily porting to camp is peachy? Ok, I think I got my answer.
No, it's not peachy, but what you should do is report those people you believe are cheating instead of inventing blanket rules that will do more harm than good in the long term.1 -
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@ZOS_AlexDHello everyone. If there's ever a question as to what you believe to be permissible or not in-game, you can report the incident or the players in question and we will investigate each report fully and take the appropriate actions. Reporting incidents in-game is the preferred method for reporting violations, as the in-game reports contain important information that help in the investigation process.
See our Support article for more information on reporting players in-game.
Wow, all that and you didn't even remotely answer the actual question. Quite impressive, in a depressing sort of way ...
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✭✭✭✭✭Enforcing rules in their game doesn't seem to be their strong point, probably the worst game moderation/policing of any MMO I have ever played.
They should just state "This is an exploit, use it and you'll be banned" then actually ban someone for a month and stick by that decision, others wont follow when they know it happens.
Honestly I think ZOS are going to drive away most of their PVP player base by not bothering to address exploits.
*post edited to conform with code of conduct for forums*Edited by Turelus on August 6, 2014 8:09PM@Turelus - EU PC Megaserver
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✭Not sure if I understand what happened exactly. Is this about a Forward camp inside an enemy keep courtyard?!
I know DK's can get inside closed keeps (ab)using their ultimate (don't think it was intended to be used that way?).. but I thought even if they get inside, that they'd be unable to place a Forward Camp due to it being "too close to an enemy keep" ?!
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✭✭✭✭✭This particular issue would be fixable by not allowing Camps behind gates ever, regardless of whether they're open or not, and/or by making it so that only those within the Radius of the Forward Camp can use it.UESP: The Unofficial Elder Scrolls Pages - A collaborative source for all knowledge on the Elder Scrolls series since 1995
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dbishop✭✭✭So I saw what was happening and the first time and on AD there was a small discussion on zone whether or not to help the scroll runners. I can only assume that as it took no time at all to get the scroll back by EP, that was that.
However not much later it happened on the DC side behind the gates with not much discussion at all and the scroll never left the gated area.
Farmers gunna farm. Zergers gunna zerg.
If the gates are going to be open 24/7 then at least let all three sides know that's the case cos sure as *** the AD crew will be in here qq'ing when it happens to us.0 -
Lowbei✭✭✭✭✭lol people would probably take you more seriously if you werent crying wolf everyday, like you do in zone chat about bots and spies in pvpEdited by Lowbei on August 6, 2014 2:11PM0
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✭lol people would probably take you more seriously if you werent crying wolf everyday, like you do in zone chat about bots and spies in pvp
Can't stand people who cry spy and X and X is ganging up on X! so stupid -_-
On topic, If you just clicked it because it was an option went in and got rolled then NO
If you went in with a group of 20 and grieved players then YES
as the dev said case by case.Edited by KBKB on August 6, 2014 2:16PM0 -
Lowbei✭✭✭✭✭the spy thing is really funny to me because the two big dc zergs rage in zone chat when i randomly check their position.
paranoid i guess. its almost as if they are getting farmed by some people who know their location.
perhaps they should stop zerging.Edited by Lowbei on August 6, 2014 2:22PM3 -
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✭lol spies.
This message totally brought to you by NOT a spy.... seriously... I am not a spy.... I swearEdited by Huntler on August 6, 2014 2:39PM0