Reflecting....

jelliedsoup · July 2014

You fall over as my point is you cannot range or melee. Is this where my focus on damage and attacking is taking over?

jelliedsoup · July 2014

Obscure wrote: »

jelliedsoup wrote: »

Talons and standard with non-projectiles.

You need specifics, not generalities and analogies. There is a group ive fought against many many times and they spam reflect, talons and standard. They're all vr12 and primarily a combo of dks and sorcs.

Obscure wrote: »

Plenty of skills at your disposal that you're choosing not to use. A player who has both a projectile and non projectile is fully within his rights to use the projectile to attack a reflecting DK, but he is not within his rights to expect that to be effective. Wrong skill for that job.

*snip since it was apparently to complex* . You have a projectile reflecting DK to fight? Use non-projectiles. It's literally the same vein of common sense.

I lack the ability to make it any simpler than that. If you still can't get it I may as well write the any other posts to you in ancient Sumerian Sanskrit.

Oh you mean use skills in the game. Oh now I get it.

A tip for the future, try knowing something about what you're writing and show it by using examples and specifics.

Justifying your perspective by saying they're going to use skills available to them to protect from melee and ranged. Perhaps you destroy vr12 with bombard, I don't have that luxury.

Soliss · July 2014

For all the people saying wait 4 seconds... What if.... the DK casts reflective scales again after the 4 seconds is over? OMG and then again? What then?

That's 8+ seconds and you're probably dead now if you're not doing any damage to your opponent.

The odd part of course being the tooltip says "spell projectiles" and it treats non-spell weapon attacks like bows as spells.

I'd like to see Zenimax clean up the tooltips to accurately reflect what the ability does or fix the abilities to match the tooltips. Right now we have no idea what these skills are supposed to do because they are so inconsistent.

@ZOS_GinaBruno‌

Obscure · July 2014

jelliedsoup wrote: »

Obscure wrote: »

jelliedsoup wrote: »

Talons and standard with non-projectiles.

You need specifics, not generalities and analogies. There is a group ive fought against many many times and they spam reflect, talons and standard. They're all vr12 and primarily a combo of dks and sorcs.

Obscure wrote: »

Plenty of skills at your disposal that you're choosing not to use. A player who has both a projectile and non projectile is fully within his rights to use the projectile to attack a reflecting DK, but he is not within his rights to expect that to be effective. Wrong skill for that job.

*snip since it was apparently to complex* . You have a projectile reflecting DK to fight? Use non-projectiles. It's literally the same vein of common sense.

I lack the ability to make it any simpler than that. If you still can't get it I may as well write the any other posts to you in ancient Sumerian Sanskrit.

Oh you mean use skills in the game. Oh now I get it.

A tip for the future, try knowing something about what you're writing and show it by using examples and specifics.

Justifying your perspective by saying they're going to use skills available to them to protect from melee and ranged. Perhaps you destroy vr12 with bombard, I don't have that luxury.

I am VR12... I've been using bow since before beta as a PTS tester, I know exactly what I'm talking about. I don't feel the need to whip out an e-peen instead of simply stating you need to learn to play. It's been done, continues to be done, and there are builds (particularly Sorcs) that can completely crush DK's Reflect or not (and no, they aren't built to specifically counter them). I literally don't know how to be more specific than stating "time your shots" , "use non-projectiles", and " use your head ". If you need further clarification than that, the reflecting DK is a much lower priority of problem than the ones you should be resolving first. Learn the non projectile skills. Learn what the timing of reflective scales is. Learn how to use your skills strategically rather than throwing " 50% of them" back into your own face.

If your problem with it is that they can spam it then your problem isn't with the skill, it's with Light Armor specs making a mockery of game balance as they, and only they, can spam every class skill.

jelliedsoup · August 2014

The non projectile skills are melee, here we get into talons and standard. The option is to not attack. It's really that simple.

My problem is with that skill in conjunction with the benefits with being a dk anyway makes it ridiculous. A group of dks spamming these set skills makes it very easy for 50% to be reflected.

That you don't seem to understand this is not my problem and doesn't require me to use my head. You understand there are flaws in the game design, but seem to be applying an all things are equal principle.

Obscure · August 2014

jelliedsoup wrote: »

The non projectile skills are melee, here we get into talons and standard. The option is to not attack. It's really that simple.

My problem is with that skill in conjunction with the benefits with being a dk anyway makes it ridiculous. A group of dks spamming these set skills makes it very easy for 50% to be reflected.

That you don't seem to understand this is not my problem and doesn't require me to use my head. You understand there are flaws in the game design, but seem to be applying an all things are equal principle.

1. Every melee skill is a non projectile, but not every non projectile is a melee skill. Melee doesn't own the market on non projectile. Bombard, Volley, Fire Rune, Shrouded Daggers, and Entropy are just a few of the ranged non projectiles, not to mention the R-Staff basics are non-projectile.

2. The benefits of being a DK don't lend themselves at all to ranged combat. Beyond a single particularly "meh" pull, there are no DK skills for ranged combat nor disengagement. They simply can't survive as a class at range and expect to do anything. It's all about getting in close. Also worth noting the Reflect expenses the cost in Stamina or Magicka of the skill being reflected. Even if you are smacking yourself with your own attacks your burning out the DK's resources.

3. I understand your problem, I had to solve it as I learned, and continue to learn, to be a solid bow user. To expect not to have to learn and point at the problem without attempting to seek a solution is not doing you any favors.

jelliedsoup · August 2014

Obscure wrote: »

jelliedsoup wrote: »

The non projectile skills are melee, here we get into talons and standard. The option is to not attack. It's really that simple.

My problem is with that skill in conjunction with the benefits with being a dk anyway makes it ridiculous. A group of dks spamming these set skills makes it very easy for 50% to be reflected.

That you don't seem to understand this is not my problem and doesn't require me to use my head. You understand there are flaws in the game design, but seem to be applying an all things are equal principle.

1. Every melee skill is a non projectile, but not every non projectile is a melee skill. Melee doesn't own the market on non projectile. Bombard, Volley, Fire Rune, Shrouded Daggers, and Entropy are just a few of the ranged non projectiles, not to mention the R-Staff basics are non-projectile.

2. The benefits of being a DK don't lend themselves at all to ranged combat. Beyond a single particularly "meh" pull, there are no DK skills for ranged combat nor disengagement. They simply can't survive as a class at range and expect to do anything. It's all about getting in close. Also worth noting the Reflect expenses the cost in Stamina or Magicka of the skill being reflected. Even if you are smacking yourself with your own attacks your burning out the DK's resources.

3. I understand your problem, I had to solve it as I learned, and continue to learn, to be a solid bow user. To expect not to have to learn and point at the problem without attempting to seek a solution is not doing you any favors.

Still not convinced. Putting Bombard and any other AoE is a waste of space on my bar as these skills are pretty weak. I have to hammer a DK from stealth anyway to kill them, using an AoE will not do anything. If I don't stun them, then if they're higher enough level I won't bother and just dark cloak away. They can use a Bow as well, DKs in open melee are the best class by miles. The reflect option just gives them an option to have their cake and eat it too, on top of that they don't even absorb my damage but flipping send it back to me. Zos has a hard0n for DKs, simple as that.

The Bow AoE skills are crap, I'm a DPS NB, VR12 DKs are hard enough to kill as it is let alone by AoE. Are you saying that you will kill a VR12DK spamming reflect, talons and standard with AoEs? That I would like to see.

hamon · August 2014

Obscure wrote: »

jelliedsoup wrote: »

BRogueNZ wrote: »

works well, why wouldn't you use it to counter 'over used' ranged spell spam'mage'?

You wouldn't. All it does is remove the option to attack dks. Can't range, can't melee. The devs sure love dks.

You're factually incorrect. Players that have learned to play continue to effectively attack DK's while they have reflect up. I do it personally. Your inability to do so is a subjective experience correlating directly to your understanding, or better termed, lack of understanding, of how Reflective Scale functions.

Plenty of tools at your disposal that you're choosing not to use. A man who has both a screwdriver and hammer is fully within his rights to use the screwdriver to drive nails, but he is not within his rights to expect that to be effective. Wrong tool for that job.

You have a nail to drive? Use a hammer. You have a projectile reflecting DK to fight? Use non-projectiles. It's literally the same vein of common sense.

your answer is simplistic. yes there are abilities that dont get reflected. but it just so happens that they are all poor choices for ordinary use. for example if on a sorc you can use your dots but not your main nuke . all the dots in this game are weak (except talons)
if your using a bow yes you can use bombard. which has a very high cost limited range for low dps. again hardly a winning formula against the dk who can use anything he chooses while reflecting anything.

plus if you have ot run around with all those weak dots. or bombard slotted just to have something to fire at a reflect spammer your sacrificing precious slots just to counter one class. while that class sacrifices nothing to be able to reflect all the main nukes from templars. sorcs and bow uses at the same time , reducing them to firing weak dots or auto attck on a resto staff, or tempt you into commiting suicide by trying to get close and melee him.

Cody · August 2014

again. when 4 seconds expire, shoot the player. when they cast it again, wait 4 more seconds, attack em, rince and repeat. they can't cast it continually, and the syrabane crap wont work if it has nothing to reflect. switch to a melee weapon.... grab a melee teammate to help you...... use deathstroke after about 3 seconds to knock them down and pummel them..... there are quite a few ways to deal with this.

coryevans_3b14_ESO · August 2014

Obscure wrote: »

jelliedsoup wrote: »

By l2p you mean adorn a staff and light armour. I'm good thanks.

I use Bow + DW and medium armor. Always have, always will. The difference between you and I is instead of stopping at seeing the reflect as a problem I invented a solution. Time your shots, slot Bombard, and use your head. There's no short cuts here. You learn to play or you don't, your choice.

Dude, you sir are a pot full of insight. If I could I would give you the interweb award for insight-fullness. Oh, and I agree. I'm a bow/dw user. My templar isn't but he's a pure temp healer that doesn't work on any kind of dps so the skirt/stick thing doesn't apply. And then there's my imperial dk tank. Pure tank. could care less about dps on that one.

Point being, with every action in the game there is a viable reaction. PERIOD.

I hate to say it, but the L2P thing kind of does apply here.

Cody · August 2014

The problem you are REALLY having, im sure; is that they spam it quite a lot. the reason why(or I think) is the syrabane set. if you get 5(or whatever the max requirement is) pieces, you gain 150 magicka for every ranged attacked reflected(it may just be spells, but most people these days use spells anyway). I have a DK; right now, the ability costs me about 93 magicka to cast. so I could get the set, put up scales, and if I were to find a group with a bunch of ranged players, and if they were to continue to hit me with their ranged attacks, my magicka would be virtually limitless. so its not the ability that is the "problem" its a set of armor/equipment(in my opinion anyway)

Obscure · August 2014

jelliedsoup wrote: »

Still not convinced.

I'm not here to convince you. I'm here to present the counter argument. Whether or not you find the facts compelling has nothing to do with the facts and everything to do with your inability to accept them.

hamon wrote: »

your answer is simplistic. yes there are abilities that dont get reflected. but it just so happens that they are all poor choices for ordinary use.

I don't need to disagree. Mages Fury and Impale do all the disagreeing for me. People who should be here whining are Templar and Dragonknight players who don't have high damage non-projectile ranged attacks. Odd how both those classes have a reflect though... couldn't possibly think of a reason why...

jelliedsoup · August 2014

Obscure wrote: »

jelliedsoup wrote: »

Still not convinced.

I'm not here to convince you. I'm here to present the counter argument. Whether or not you find the facts compelling has nothing to do with the facts and everything to do with your inability to accept them.

You have not presented any facts. You've made a vague suggestion of using aoe to counter the reflect, talons combo, and not provided any means of facts or figures beyond conjecture that aoe can contend with a dk spamming these skills. You descend into "using your head" without remotely demonstrating that youve used yours.

Make a claim that your opinion is fact without even attempting to verify your statements is very weak, you may as well say " cos I said so".

SienneYviete · August 2014

What really grinds my gears is those pesky NB archers that come out of stealth with camouflaged hunter, lethal arrow and a light attack anim canc combo and put you down before you can reach your reflect and then won't let you heal with green dragon blood because of the poisoned status and drops your 3k health instantly with boss crits......... Just sayin! Nerf NB

Obscure · August 2014

jelliedsoup wrote: »

You have not presented any facts.

Obscure wrote: »

1. Every melee skill is a non projectile, but not every non projectile is a melee skill. Melee doesn't own the market on non projectile. Bombard, Volley, Fire Rune, Shrouded Daggers, and Entropy are just a few of the ranged non projectiles, not to mention the R-Staff basics are non-projectile.

2. The benefits of being a DK don't lend themselves at all to ranged combat. Beyond a single particularly "meh" pull, there are no DK skills for ranged combat nor disengagement. They simply can't survive as a class at range and expect to do anything. It's all about getting in close. Also worth noting the Reflect expenses the cost in Stamina or Magicka of the skill being reflected. Even if you are smacking yourself with your own attacks your burning out the DK's resources.

3. I understand your problem, I had to solve it as I learned, and continue to learn, to be a solid bow user. To expect not to have to learn and point at the problem without attempting to seek a solution is not doing you any favors.

Obscure wrote: »

100% of resto staff attacks give no ***'s about reflect.

100% of PBAoE's give no ***'s about reflect.

100% of people who whine about reflect need to learn to play.

That last one I find to be the most self evident of the presented facts.

Perhaps I should define fact for you?

Fact (fakt)
noun
noun: fact; plural noun: facts
"a thing that is indisputably the case."

jelliedsoup · August 2014

Obscure wrote: »

jelliedsoup wrote: »

You have not presented any facts.

Obscure wrote: »

1. Every melee skill is a non projectile, but not every non projectile is a melee skill. Melee doesn't own the market on non projectile. Bombard, Volley, Fire Rune, Shrouded Daggers, and Entropy are just a few of the ranged non projectiles, not to mention the R-Staff basics are non-projectile.

2. The benefits of being a DK don't lend themselves at all to ranged combat. Beyond a single particularly "meh" pull, there are no DK skills for ranged combat nor disengagement. They simply can't survive as a class at range and expect to do anything. It's all about getting in close. Also worth noting the Reflect expenses the cost in Stamina or Magicka of the skill being reflected. Even if you are smacking yourself with your own attacks your burning out the DK's resources.

3. I understand your problem, I had to solve it as I learned, and continue to learn, to be a solid bow user. To expect not to have to learn and point at the problem without attempting to seek a solution is not doing you any favors.

Obscure wrote: »

100% of resto staff attacks give no ***'s about reflect.

100% of PBAoE's give no ***'s about reflect.

100% of people who whine about reflect need to learn to play.

That last one I find to be the most self evident of the presented facts.

Perhaps I should define fact for you?

Fact (fakt)
noun
noun: fact; plural noun: facts
"a thing that is indisputably the case."

Relevant facts.

If countering a spamming vr12 the skills you propose may do damage but it will be limited. And expose an already squishy build.

I'm a NB who uses a bow, dks can use bows too. See how your use of irrelevant facts causes you confusion? It takes a certain type of mind to make the simple complicated.

Don't use staffs and aoes are weak.

Perhaps define relevant to make the inclusion of facts definition, relevant?
Ive asked this before and will give it another shot, with the expectation you can't answer it.

Are you saying you can take down a spamming reflect, talons vr12 dk with aoe?
I do hope so.

Obscure · August 2014

jelliedsoup wrote: »

Obscure wrote: »

jelliedsoup wrote: »

You have not presented any facts.

Obscure wrote: »

1. Every melee skill is a non projectile, but not every non projectile is a melee skill. Melee doesn't own the market on non projectile. Bombard, Volley, Fire Rune, Shrouded Daggers, and Entropy are just a few of the ranged non projectiles, not to mention the R-Staff basics are non-projectile.

2. The benefits of being a DK don't lend themselves at all to ranged combat. Beyond a single particularly "meh" pull, there are no DK skills for ranged combat nor disengagement. They simply can't survive as a class at range and expect to do anything. It's all about getting in close. Also worth noting the Reflect expenses the cost in Stamina or Magicka of the skill being reflected. Even if you are smacking yourself with your own attacks your burning out the DK's resources.

3. I understand your problem, I had to solve it as I learned, and continue to learn, to be a solid bow user. To expect not to have to learn and point at the problem without attempting to seek a solution is not doing you any favors.

Obscure wrote: »

100% of resto staff attacks give no ***'s about reflect.

100% of PBAoE's give no ***'s about reflect.

100% of people who whine about reflect need to learn to play.

That last one I find to be the most self evident of the presented facts.

Perhaps I should define fact for you?

Fact (fakt)
noun
noun: fact; plural noun: facts
"a thing that is indisputably the case."

Relevant facts.

If countering a spamming vr12 the skills you propose may do damage but it will be limited. And expose an already squishy build.

I'm a NB who uses a bow, dks can use bows too. See how your use of irrelevant facts causes you confusion? It takes a certain type of mind to make the simple complicated.

Don't use staffs and aoes are weak.

Perhaps define relevant to make the inclusion of facts definition, relevant?
Ive asked this before and will give it another shot, with the expectation you can't answer it.

Everything I've said is relevant.

Relevant(ˈreləvənt)
adjective
"closely connected or appropriate to the matter at hand."

...your welcome...

DK's use bows. I know first hand. This causes me no confusion. They have no ranged high damage non projectile class skill (hell that don't even have a moderate damage projectile class skill). Nightblades do. The only thing that confuses me is how DK's using a bow is relevant to projectile Reflecting. They get just as reflected by Reflective Scale as you do. They don't have special magic unreflectible bows because they're DK's. Difference between them and you is they have no high damage option against reflect, you do, and you deliberately choose not to use it.

Yeah, they can peg you with projectiles. Projectiles that require a target. You happen to play a class that can deny them a target by becoming literally invisible. They can reflect, you can simply become untargetable. I don't see a problem here other than an unwillingness to learn to play.

jelliedsoup wrote: »

Are you saying you can take down a spamming reflect, talons vr12 dk with aoe?
I do hope so.

I'll do you one better. You find one that wants to 1 v 1 me and you can watch the twitch feed. Your move.

Fi'yra · August 2014

Honestly, PvP is about competitive play, and the fact you're talking about a skill that is only around 50% OP, considering the situations..

Reflecting scales is easily countered..
When he casts Reflecting Scales, use snipe because of timer, and he'll keep using reflecting scales..
therefore = mana drained to around 300, so you can *** with him all you want via auto attacks.

gg

L2P

BRogueNZ · August 2014

jelliedsoup wrote: »

BRogueNZ wrote: »

works well, why wouldn't you use it to counter 'over used' ranged spell spam'mage'?

You wouldn't. All it does is remove the option to attack dks. Can't range, can't melee. The devs sure love dks.

Blazing shield and Eclipse?.. they must love-ish Templars as well.. or not..its so (painfully) obvious when not to cast or land a large swinging something, where as you could blink and miss a DK's wings flap and well we all know and love the talons and standard combo..

Xsorus · August 2014

NookyZooky wrote: »

The problem you are REALLY having, im sure; is that they spam it quite a lot. the reason why(or I think) is the syrabane set. if you get 5(or whatever the max requirement is) pieces, you gain 150 magicka for every ranged attacked reflected(it may just be spells, but most people these days use spells anyway). I have a DK; right now, the ability costs me about 93 magicka to cast. so I could get the set, put up scales, and if I were to find a group with a bunch of ranged players, and if they were to continue to hit me with their ranged attacks, my magicka would be virtually limitless. so its not the ability that is the "problem" its a set of armor/equipment(in my opinion anyway)

I would like to see how ya get Reflective Scale down to 93 Magicka to Cast.

Chubbaz · August 2014

As a DK since beta I can't take your post seriously. You're whining about perhaps the ONLY ability us DK's can use to stop being spammed by missiles? No, leave it alone.

jelliedsoup · August 2014

Obscure wrote: »

jelliedsoup wrote: »

Obscure wrote: »

jelliedsoup wrote: »

You have not presented any facts.

Obscure wrote: »

1. Every melee skill is a non projectile, but not every non projectile is a melee skill. Melee doesn't own the market on non projectile. Bombard, Volley, Fire Rune, Shrouded Daggers, and Entropy are just a few of the ranged non projectiles, not to mention the R-Staff basics are non-projectile.

2. The benefits of being a DK don't lend themselves at all to ranged combat. Beyond a single particularly "meh" pull, there are no DK skills for ranged combat nor disengagement. They simply can't survive as a class at range and expect to do anything. It's all about getting in close. Also worth noting the Reflect expenses the cost in Stamina or Magicka of the skill being reflected. Even if you are smacking yourself with your own attacks your burning out the DK's resources.

3. I understand your problem, I had to solve it as I learned, and continue to learn, to be a solid bow user. To expect not to have to learn and point at the problem without attempting to seek a solution is not doing you any favors.

Obscure wrote: »

100% of resto staff attacks give no ***'s about reflect.

100% of PBAoE's give no ***'s about reflect.

100% of people who whine about reflect need to learn to play.

That last one I find to be the most self evident of the presented facts.

Perhaps I should define fact for you?

Fact (fakt)
noun
noun: fact; plural noun: facts
"a thing that is indisputably the case."

Relevant facts.

If countering a spamming vr12 the skills you propose may do damage but it will be limited. And expose an already squishy build.

I'm a NB who uses a bow, dks can use bows too. See how your use of irrelevant facts causes you confusion? It takes a certain type of mind to make the simple complicated.

Don't use staffs and aoes are weak.

Perhaps define relevant to make the inclusion of facts definition, relevant?
Ive asked this before and will give it another shot, with the expectation you can't answer it.

Everything I've said is relevant.

Relevant(ˈreləvənt)
adjective
"closely connected or appropriate to the matter at hand."

...your welcome...

DK's use bows. I know first hand. This causes me no confusion. They have no ranged high damage non projectile class skill (hell that don't even have a moderate damage projectile class skill). Nightblades do. The only thing that confuses me is how DK's using a bow is relevant to projectile Reflecting. They get just as reflected by Reflective Scale as you do. They don't have special magic unreflectible bows because they're DK's. Difference between them and you is they have no high damage option against reflect, you do, and you deliberately choose not to use it.

Yeah, they can peg you with projectiles. Projectiles that require a target. You happen to play a class that can deny them a target by becoming literally invisible. They can reflect, you can simply become untargetable. I don't see a problem here other than an unwillingness to learn to play.

jelliedsoup wrote: »

Are you saying you can take down a spamming reflect, talons vr12 dk with aoe?
I do hope so.

I'll do you one better. You find one that wants to 1 v 1 me and you can watch the twitch feed. Your move.

Copying and pasting a definition and then writing "your welcome" illustrates your perspective.

My move, how dramatic. I don't believe your claim, why would expend any energy on a random who can't even begin to quantify a claim they make. If you want to prove it, record it.

jelliedsoup · August 2014

BRogueNZ wrote: »

jelliedsoup wrote: »

BRogueNZ wrote: »

works well, why wouldn't you use it to counter 'over used' ranged spell spam'mage'?

You wouldn't. All it does is remove the option to attack dks. Can't range, can't melee. The devs sure love dks.

Blazing shield and Eclipse?.. they must love-ish Templars as well.. or not..its so (painfully) obvious when not to cast or land a large swinging something, where as you could blink and miss a DK's wings flap and well we all know and love the talons and standard combo..

Not really, templars are beatable in melee. Dks , I don't bother.

jelliedsoup · August 2014

BenS1337 wrote: »

Honestly, PvP is about competitive play, and the fact you're talking about a skill that is only around 50% OP, considering the situations..

Reflecting scales is easily countered..
When he casts Reflecting Scales, use snipe because of timer, and he'll keep using reflecting scales..
therefore = mana drained to around 300, so you can *** with him all you want via auto attacks.

gg

L2P

Spamming reflect and snipe doesn't work. You realise that reflect hits the archer don't you.

Chubbaz · August 2014

jelliedsoup wrote: »

BenS1337 wrote: »

Honestly, PvP is about competitive play, and the fact you're talking about a skill that is only around 50% OP, considering the situations..

Reflecting scales is easily countered..
When he casts Reflecting Scales, use snipe because of timer, and he'll keep using reflecting scales..
therefore = mana drained to around 300, so you can *** with him all you want via auto attacks.

gg

L2P

Spamming reflect and snipe doesn't work. You realise that reflect hits the archer don't you.

I can confirm this, and as well as the other guys tactic about trying to mana drain the DK, good luck with that, with food buffs plus the PVP buff that might take awhile.

Obscure · August 2014

jelliedsoup wrote: »

BRogueNZ wrote: »

jelliedsoup wrote: »

BRogueNZ wrote: »

works well, why wouldn't you use it to counter 'over used' ranged spell spam'mage'?

You wouldn't. All it does is remove the option to attack dks. Can't range, can't melee. The devs sure love dks.

Blazing shield and Eclipse?.. they must love-ish Templars as well.. or not..its so (painfully) obvious when not to cast or land a large swinging something, where as you could blink and miss a DK's wings flap and well we all know and love the talons and standard combo..

Not really, templars are beatable in melee. Dks , I don't bother.

http://youtu.be/kiAZahhrVbM

jelliedsoup wrote: »

I don't believe your claim, why would expend any energy on a random who can't even begin to quantify a claim they make. If you want to prove it, record it.

You pick the DK so you know it's not a rigged fight. Ill be waiting. Or are you so against learning to play you can't even bring yourself to self educating?

Said it before bit I'll say it again:

Obscure wrote: »

You learn to play or you don't, your choice.

heng14rwb17_ESO · August 2014

When u saw a dk with reflect,just bend down on your knee & beg for mercy.
You can't win.

Teargrants · August 2014

hamon wrote: »

for example if on a sorc you can use your dots but not your main nuke . all the dots in this game are weak (except talons)

Speaking as a sorc, what is with all of these assertions of DKs spamming scales 24/7? This is simply not possible, it will burn through their magica quite handily unless they spam resto heavy attacks constantly - which leaves them open for streak through them, ect.

As a sorc, it doesn't matter that I can't spam shards at a reflecting DK, the only difference that makes is that the fight will be more drawn out. Sorcs have easy counters for scales: Curse + Streak + Fury + resto heavy attacks. And the easiest counter of all - which is open to all classes, soul assault. A DK spamming scales is likely to be OOM after you force him to spam dragons blood w/ soul assault. Guess what, then he can't keep scales up consistently anymore.

If it's 1v1 w/ a scale spammer, it generally goes like this:
DK - spams scales
Sorc - curse + resto heavy atks
DK - invasion to counter resto atk
Sorc - streak shuts down invasion & stuns, curse pops
Throw in shard procs when scales is down.
Repeat until DK OOS, then soul assault.

The DKs that are truly dangerous wont spam scales at all when you start fighting. They wait until they see the shards leave your hands, then use scales to force you to block the reflect and give them free time to make a play.

This is the jist of how you counter scale spamming DKs as a sorc. I don't play a NB, so I'll let others who do provide the counter plays w/ that.

suelothvar · August 2014

Killed the Titans at Molag Bal lastnight on my NB, while blocking and watching all the reflects, all I could think of was "is this how a DK feels in pvp" :P

p_tsakirisb16_ESO · August 2014

Any Templar worth his salt, should have Blazing Spear and Puncturing Sweep/Biting Jabs on his "combat" qbar.

Or else begone, leave the ranks of this great class, and stop complaining.
I will not tell you why, how. Figure it out. I personally like beating "Reflecting" Dragonknights like they are skeevers, so no secrets from me. Easy to figure out, and I want them to keep slaughtering them as such, for as long at it takes, until they realise the folly of their tactics.