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p_tsakirisb16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »I find threads by moaning NBs hilarious considering they are probably the best overall class in the game at the moment.
Are you really telling me that as a Nightblade with Ambush, Impale & Dark Cloak at your disposal, you have no means of killing a DK or disengaging?
Sounds like you just want easy, lazy kills to me....
I know mate. Myself as a Khajiit Templar, can kill those "defensive" DKs with 2 skills.
Even monkeys can kill them, if bit brains applied. The only DKs that actually are a challenge, are those who attack back, not the reflect scales vampire bat swarm bombs.
While my level 45 NB, is even more insane than my VR12 Templar. Almost one shots the VR12 DKs from hidden. (level 45 yes).
However as I said on another post, too many monkeys around. They stack critical damage, trying to play as "glass cannons" and break as "glass".
Fyi both my NB and Templar have crit , weapon 17%, magic 20%.
However spell power & weapon power, along with pools and "utilities" are sky high.0 -
bigzz03✭✭here's an idea. How about instead of complaining about a class being too weak or too strong or whining about a nerf or a buff you guys focus on what really needs to be fixed in the game...the combat mechanics. The delay, and at times the no response from pressing a button.
How about ZoS fix the broken combat mechanics, and then let's see what really needs to change per class. Weapon swap is supposedly going to instant...yeah ok, let's see if that's really how it is. So many times while fighting pvp or pve I push a button to activate a skill and nothing happens at all. Let's all focus on what's really important here rather than whining and complaining about class specifics.
How many times have you hit Talons right next to multiple people and all you see is the animation, but no contact?
How many times have you hit Ambush and see your toon raise his arms then just stop?
How many times have you hit endless fury and see the lightning go up, but never come down?
There are so many skills that this happens to, yet people would rather sit here and complain that class X is too OP or too weak...4 -
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Amen mate, amen. And tools are there, but not many read the tooltip description of the abilities applying some brain also....0 -
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What is the link for that video?
Flash player is jacked up on my work computer at the moment so I can not find it myself, but it is Sypher's 1 vs 10 video. Very easy to find if searching on youtube. It is very eye opening to watch and actually break down what is happening.You earned the 500 LOLs badge.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7GuyaQvTx8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eiusig1zOlY&list=UU_q5WZtFp36adwqhKpZzxwQ Edited by bigzz03 on August 1, 2014 7:50PM0 -
Erock25✭✭✭✭✭
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Not the one I was talking about. I believe he is using syrabane in this above video. The one without syrabane is the 1 vs 10.You earned the 500 LOLs badge.
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Obscure✭✭✭✭✭
I believe this is what you're referring to:http://youtu.be/Eiusig1zOlY
Not to detract from the awesomeness that is Sypher, but he is using the very key elements I've mentioned that make DK's effective. Light Armor, Staff, and Invasion. R-staff is extremely abusive as not only does it restore magicka when you attack with it, it restores magicka when you block with it and just feeds the build everything it needs to fight.
P.S. that Nightblade that ganked him sucked. Any decent Nightblade would have nailed him with Impale at that low health and it would've been game over. Again not to detract from the awesomeness of Sypher but even he knew he was screwed in that instance and by sheer poor play on the attackers part, murdered the guys face off.1 -
Erock25✭✭✭✭✭
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I believe this is what you're referring to:http://youtu.be/Eiusig1zOlY
Not to detract from the awesomeness that is Sypher, but he is using the very key elements I've mentioned that make DK's effective. Light Armor, Staff, and Invasion. R-staff is extremely abusive as not only does it restore magicka when you attack with it, it restores magicka when you block with it and just feeds the build everything it needs to fight.
P.S. that Nightblade that ganked him sucked. Any decent Nightblade would have nailed him with Impale at that low health and it would've been game over. Again not to detract from the awesomeness of Sypher but even he knew he was screwed in that instance and by sheer poor play on the attackers part, murdered the guys face off.
Yeah, I know there are a lot of factors going into this and the people he was fighting were not top notch, but the fact can not be denied that once they pop him out of stealth he goes on to kill 5-6 people while casting Reflecting Scales 3-4 times, Burning Talons 3-4 times, Flame Lash a bunch of times, and I think a Dragon Blood or two in there as well and ends that initial skirmish with half magicka and did not use a Resto staff heavy attack or anything. He reflects a ton of projectiles too and his magicka just doesn't go down. I only brought up this video as evidence to go against the claim DKs have that they run out of magicka super quick while Reflecting Scales is up.You earned the 500 LOLs badge.
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Obscure✭✭✭✭✭
There's an interesting bug/unmentioned mechanic to Reflective Scale that expenses the DK's resources on reflect. You can see it on his bar when he reflected incoming shards. Fortunately for him he's got loads of sustain from Light Armor, so it's manageable for the build. He's not once resource starved in fighting them all, which should speak volumes since not a single DK skill improves that. It's all coming from outside the class skills. There's video after video of these types of Light Armor specs and they just blow away any other build style.
I believe this is what you're referring to:http://youtu.be/Eiusig1zOlY
Not to detract from the awesomeness that is Sypher, but he is using the very key elements I've mentioned that make DK's effective. Light Armor, Staff, and Invasion. R-staff is extremely abusive as not only does it restore magicka when you attack with it, it restores magicka when you block with it and just feeds the build everything it needs to fight.
P.S. that Nightblade that ganked him sucked. Any decent Nightblade would have nailed him with Impale at that low health and it would've been game over. Again not to detract from the awesomeness of Sypher but even he knew he was screwed in that instance and by sheer poor play on the attackers part, murdered the guys face off.
Yeah, I know there are a lot of factors going into this and the people he was fighting were not top notch, but the fact can not be denied that once they pop him out of stealth he goes on to kill 5-6 people while casting Reflecting Scales 3-4 times, Burning Talons 3-4 times, Flame Lash a bunch of times, and I think a Dragon Blood or two in there as well and ends that initial skirmish with half magicka and did not use a Resto staff heavy attack or anything. He reflects a ton of projectiles too and his magicka just doesn't go down. I only brought up this video as evidence to go against the claim DKs have that they run out of magicka super quick while Reflecting Scales is up.
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There's an interesting bug/unmentioned mechanic to Reflective Scale that expenses the DK's resources on reflect. You can see it on his bar when he reflected incoming shards. Fortunately for him he's got loads of sustain from Light Armor, so it's manageable for the build. He's not once resource starved in fighting them all, which should speak volumes since not a single DK skill improves that. It's all coming from outside the class skills. There's video after video of these types of Light Armor specs and they just blow away any other build style.
I believe this is what you're referring to:http://youtu.be/Eiusig1zOlY
Not to detract from the awesomeness that is Sypher, but he is using the very key elements I've mentioned that make DK's effective. Light Armor, Staff, and Invasion. R-staff is extremely abusive as not only does it restore magicka when you attack with it, it restores magicka when you block with it and just feeds the build everything it needs to fight.
P.S. that Nightblade that ganked him sucked. Any decent Nightblade would have nailed him with Impale at that low health and it would've been game over. Again not to detract from the awesomeness of Sypher but even he knew he was screwed in that instance and by sheer poor play on the attackers part, murdered the guys face off.
Yeah, I know there are a lot of factors going into this and the people he was fighting were not top notch, but the fact can not be denied that once they pop him out of stealth he goes on to kill 5-6 people while casting Reflecting Scales 3-4 times, Burning Talons 3-4 times, Flame Lash a bunch of times, and I think a Dragon Blood or two in there as well and ends that initial skirmish with half magicka and did not use a Resto staff heavy attack or anything. He reflects a ton of projectiles too and his magicka just doesn't go down. I only brought up this video as evidence to go against the claim DKs have that they run out of magicka super quick while Reflecting Scales is up.
I'm not sure why you are trying to explain to me the exact thing I am talking about, which is the fact that the 'bug' doesn't seem to hurt this guy too much. Light armor is reducing his spell cost by 21% and giving some additional magicka regen (but not much because of the current softcaps). What is making the largest and most noticeable difference is Battle Roar Passive which is restoring massive amounts of magicka, stamina, and health.You earned the 500 LOLs badge.
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Armitas✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭He also has harness magicka feeding him magicka like a syrabane set. Sypher also uses the warlock set when he duels though I don't know if he is using it here.
Also I think the highest level I saw was V11. There were some v1, v2s and a level ~43. One of the night blades just stopped attacking when he could have killed him. The sorcs just sat there and ate it rather than bolting. There was a multitude of poor choices and the fight was not 10v1 at the same time it was progressive. He used a Thermopylae tactic as well. If you are faced with overwhelming numbers you can overcome them by leading them into a narrow opening where they are forced into a smaller group.Edited by Armitas on August 1, 2014 8:53PMRetired.
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Erock25✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭He has harness magicka as well feeding him magica like a syrabane set. Sypher also uses the warlock set when he duels though I don't know if he is using it here.
Also I think the highest level I was was V11. There were some v1, v2s and a level 43.
I could be wrong as I can't rewatch the video now, but I don't believe he was using Harness Magicka. Even if he was, what is your point? He killed 5 VRs and 1 lvl 43 while reflecting many many projectiles and was not out of magicka even without wearing syrabane set. Someone said Reflective Scale is weak because of the 'bug' that drains your magicka when you reflect, but here is video proof that the magicka drain did not affect this guy.You earned the 500 LOLs badge.
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Armitas✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭He has harness magicka as well feeding him magica like a syrabane set. Sypher also uses the warlock set when he duels though I don't know if he is using it here.
Also I think the highest level I was was V11. There were some v1, v2s and a level 43.
I could be wrong as I can't rewatch the video now, but I don't believe he was using Harness Magicka. Even if he was, what is your point? He killed 5 VRs and 1 lvl 43 while reflecting many many projectiles and was not out of magicka even without wearing syrabane set. Someone said Reflective Scale is weak because of the 'bug' that drains your magicka when you reflect, but here is video proof that the magicka drain did not affect this guy.
It's on his bar in the video. He was not out of magicka because of harness magicka, Warlock set, batter roar, combat frenzy, magkica recovery and resto blocking. His opponents did not know what to do and so they did nothing but feed him.
There is so much more to a fight than being present as a veteran with skills on your bar. You are talking about arguably the best DK vs successive underleveled players who are clearly not experienced.Edited by Armitas on August 1, 2014 9:21PMRetired.
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jelliedsoup✭✭✭✭✭People saying l2p implies the game design is fair and every action has a feasible reaction.Edited by jelliedsoup on August 1, 2014 9:07PMwww.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=Ks8_KGHqmO41 -
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✭✭✭@Erock25, Sypher the poster of this video took part in a 1v1 tournament and lost to another poster in this forum (Brandoid). So if this video is acceptable evidence of DKs being unbelievably awesome, then the video of Sypher losing to Brandoid is evidence that Templars are even more awesome and thus deserving of mega-nerf. Yes or No?Edited by Maulkin on August 1, 2014 9:19PMEU | PC | AD3 -
Erock25✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭He has harness magicka as well feeding him magica like a syrabane set. Sypher also uses the warlock set when he duels though I don't know if he is using it here.
Also I think the highest level I was was V11. There were some v1, v2s and a level 43.
I could be wrong as I can't rewatch the video now, but I don't believe he was using Harness Magicka. Even if he was, what is your point? He killed 5 VRs and 1 lvl 43 while reflecting many many projectiles and was not out of magicka even without wearing syrabane set. Someone said Reflective Scale is weak because of the 'bug' that drains your magicka when you reflect, but here is video proof that the magicka drain did not affect this guy.
It's on his bar in the video. He was not out of magicka because of harness magicka, Warlock set, batter roar, combat frenzy, magkica recovery and resto blocking. His opponents did not know what to do and so they did nothing but feed him. Some of them didn't even appear to know what to do without being able to shard him.
There is so much more to a fight than being present as a veteran with skills on your bar. You are talking about arguably the best DK vs successive underleveled players who are clearly not experienced.
I had to bust out my phone but....
A) He doesn't use Harness Magicka
He doesn't block with Resto
C) Obviously the 'bugged' magicka drain on Reflective Scale is not a problem
For the last time I will restate my whole purpose of bringing up this video.
Player A : Reflective Scale is bugged and it drains all your magicka very quickly so it isn't powerful.
Player B: Here is a video of a DK keeping Reflective Scale up and killing six people without running out of magicka.
I don't care about whatever else you want to bring up. I don't care if all of the people attacking him were level 10. I don't care if he had warlock or basically any other magicka utilities besides Syrabane (because that is gone come Monday). I just get annoyed that the go to DK response to anyone questioning Reflective Scale is that it is 'bugged' and it drains magicka.You earned the 500 LOLs badge.
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Maulkin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭jelliedsoup wrote: »People saying l2p implies the game design is fair and every action has a feasible reaction.
You saying it doesn't? You don't have a reaction to another player's action? I'm confused as to what you're trying to say
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✭✭mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »@Erock25, Sypher the poster of this video took part in a 1v1 tournament and lost to another poster in this forum (Brandoid). So if this video is acceptable evidence of DKs being unbelievably awesome, then the video of Sypher losing to Brandoid is evidence that Templars are even more awesome and thus deserving of mega-nerf. Yes or No?
Lots of dense people on today it seems. Video is proof that Reflective Scale DOES NOT drain your magicka super fast. That is all.You earned the 500 LOLs badge.
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Armitas✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭He has harness magicka as well feeding him magica like a syrabane set. Sypher also uses the warlock set when he duels though I don't know if he is using it here.
Also I think the highest level I was was V11. There were some v1, v2s and a level 43.
I could be wrong as I can't rewatch the video now, but I don't believe he was using Harness Magicka. Even if he was, what is your point? He killed 5 VRs and 1 lvl 43 while reflecting many many projectiles and was not out of magicka even without wearing syrabane set. Someone said Reflective Scale is weak because of the 'bug' that drains your magicka when you reflect, but here is video proof that the magicka drain did not affect this guy.
It's on his bar in the video. He was not out of magicka because of harness magicka, Warlock set, batter roar, combat frenzy, magkica recovery and resto blocking. His opponents did not know what to do and so they did nothing but feed him. Some of them didn't even appear to know what to do without being able to shard him.
There is so much more to a fight than being present as a veteran with skills on your bar. You are talking about arguably the best DK vs successive underleveled players who are clearly not experienced.
I had to bust out my phone but....
A) He doesn't use Harness Magicka He doesn't block with Resto
C) Obviously the 'bugged' magicka drain on Reflective Scale is not a problem
For the last time I will restate my whole purpose of bringing up this video.
Player A : Reflective Scale is bugged and it drains all your magicka very quickly so it isn't powerful.
Player B: Here is a video of a DK keeping Reflective Scale up and killing six people without running out of magicka.
I don't care about whatever else you want to bring up. I don't care if all of the people attacking him were level 10. I don't care if he had warlock or basically any other magicka utilities besides Syrabane (because that is gone come Monday). I just get annoyed that the go to DK response to anyone questioning Reflective Scale is that it is 'bugged' and it drains magicka.
A) bar 2 slot 1 This happens even in the first 10seconds of the video. (guess we can't use B semicolon)
C) The bug exists. Without extraneous magicka support a DK cannot both support his opponents cost plus his own reflect cost. He is consuming twice the magkica as anyone else, that is a problem.Edited by Armitas on August 1, 2014 9:26PMRetired.
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✭✭Removing myself from a discussion where DKs are actually suggesting that reflective scale needs to be more powerful than its current form. Please continue with the insanity.You earned the 500 LOLs badge.
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✭no, no, we need to boost GDB to 50% health heal and double banner's aoe range and damage.Dear Sister, I do not spread rumors, I create them.3 -
Obscure✭✭✭✭✭
There's an interesting bug/unmentioned mechanic to Reflective Scale that expenses the DK's resources on reflect. You can see it on his bar when he reflected incoming shards. Fortunately for him he's got loads of sustain from Light Armor, so it's manageable for the build. He's not once resource starved in fighting them all, which should speak volumes since not a single DK skill improves that. It's all coming from outside the class skills. There's video after video of these types of Light Armor specs and they just blow away any other build style.
I believe this is what you're referring to:http://youtu.be/Eiusig1zOlY
Not to detract from the awesomeness that is Sypher, but he is using the very key elements I've mentioned that make DK's effective. Light Armor, Staff, and Invasion. R-staff is extremely abusive as not only does it restore magicka when you attack with it, it restores magicka when you block with it and just feeds the build everything it needs to fight.
P.S. that Nightblade that ganked him sucked. Any decent Nightblade would have nailed him with Impale at that low health and it would've been game over. Again not to detract from the awesomeness of Sypher but even he knew he was screwed in that instance and by sheer poor play on the attackers part, murdered the guys face off.
Yeah, I know there are a lot of factors going into this and the people he was fighting were not top notch, but the fact can not be denied that once they pop him out of stealth he goes on to kill 5-6 people while casting Reflecting Scales 3-4 times, Burning Talons 3-4 times, Flame Lash a bunch of times, and I think a Dragon Blood or two in there as well and ends that initial skirmish with half magicka and did not use a Resto staff heavy attack or anything. He reflects a ton of projectiles too and his magicka just doesn't go down. I only brought up this video as evidence to go against the claim DKs have that they run out of magicka super quick while Reflecting Scales is up.
I'm not sure why you are trying to explain to me the exact thing I am talking about, which is the fact that the 'bug' doesn't seem to hurt this guy too much. Light armor is reducing his spell cost by 21% and giving some additional magicka regen (but not much because of the current softcaps). What is making the largest and most noticeable difference is Battle Roar Passive which is restoring massive amounts of magicka, stamina, and health.
Clarification purposes only. Wasn't my intention to insult your intelligence simply to expand upon the concept for duller minds reading this thread. Clarity and nothing more.
On a side not I'm not certain Reflective Scales is "bugged". I find the resource consuming mechanic/bug/whatever-is-going-on-but-the-devs-won't-comment to be an interesting risk reward to the the skill. Even if it were a bug, I lean towards keeping it a part of the skill anyhow.0 -
jelliedsoup✭✭✭✭✭mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »jelliedsoup wrote: »People saying l2p implies the game design is fair and every action has a feasible reaction.
You saying it doesn't? You don't have a reaction to another player's action? I'm confused as to what you're trying to say
Yes using a aoe NB build is not a viable build to play in small battles against spamming dks.
Away from trying to create a build to counter the spamming dk build, the build is still poor.
Dk defenders can try to defend it all they want and propose aoe builds. As soon as other people need to adjust their builds to counter dks and base it solely on aoes it's gone too far.
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jelliedsoup✭✭✭✭✭p_tsakirisb16_ESO wrote: »mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »I find threads by moaning NBs hilarious considering they are probably the best overall class in the game at the moment.
Are you really telling me that as a Nightblade with Ambush, Impale & Dark Cloak at your disposal, you have no means of killing a DK or disengaging?
Sounds like you just want easy, lazy kills to me....
I know mate. Myself as a Khajiit Templar, can kill those "defensive" DKs with 2 skills.
Even monkeys can kill them, if bit brains applied. The only DKs that actually are a challenge, are those who attack back, not the reflect scales vampire bat swarm bombs.
While my level 45 NB, is even more insane than my VR12 Templar. Almost one shots the VR12 DKs from hidden. (level 45 yes).
However as I said on another post, too many monkeys around. They stack critical damage, trying to play as "glass cannons" and break as "glass".
Fyi both my NB and Templar have crit , weapon 17%, magic 20%.
However spell power & weapon power, along with pools and "utilities" are sky high.
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jelliedsoup✭✭✭✭✭DeleteEdited by jelliedsoup on August 3, 2014 12:02AMwww.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=Ks8_KGHqmO40