Reflecting....

jelliedsoup · July 2014

Is overused. Now at the point where around 50% of ranged attacks reflect
Go on for melee and you will get standard and talons.

Kronosphere · July 2014

roll dodge op?

Orchish · July 2014

50% ? Right.

Potenza · July 2014

hmm, use the reflect skill and standard with talons - sounds like it is effective.
Thanks for the tip.

Obscure · July 2014

100% of resto staff attacks give no ***'s about reflect.

100% of PBAoE's give no ***'s about reflect.

100% of people who whine about reflect need to learn to play.

jelliedsoup · July 2014

By l2p you mean adorn a staff and light armour. I'm good thanks.

jelliedsoup · July 2014

By l2p you mean adorn a staff and light armour. I'm good thanks.

Obscure · July 2014

jelliedsoup wrote: »

By l2p you mean adorn a staff and light armour. I'm good thanks.

I use Bow + DW and medium armor. Always have, always will. The difference between you and I is instead of stopping at seeing the reflect as a problem I invented a solution. Time your shots, slot Bombard, and use your head. There's no short cuts here. You learn to play or you don't, your choice.

CheesyDaedra · July 2014

Obscure wrote: »

100% of resto staff attacks give no ***'s about reflect.

100% of PBAoE's give no ***'s about reflect.

100% of people who whine about reflect need to learn to play.

Against a crushing shock spamming player resto staffs are pretty much useless, as every heavy attack with it can be interrupted with a bash.

Obscure · July 2014

DaedricCheese wrote: »

Obscure wrote: »

100% of resto staff attacks give no ***'s about reflect.

100% of PBAoE's give no ***'s about reflect.

100% of people who whine about reflect need to learn to play.

Against a crushing shock spamming player resto staffs are pretty much useless, as every heavy attack with it can be interrupted with a bash.

We can play what if all day, such as what if your using Unstoppable and a Crushing Shock is meaningless.

My point is about reflect, and how it's not nearly as effective as the OP is making it out to be with the 50% of all ranged attacks being reflected nonsense.

Cody · July 2014

just time your shots. it only lasts 4 seconds, and they cant ALWAYS cast it, as DKs have to use other abilities as well. heck if you have just one teammate with you, its not a problem. bash them if you have to!!! what I've done a few times.

jelliedsoup · July 2014

Obscure wrote: »

jelliedsoup wrote: »

By l2p you mean adorn a staff and light armour. I'm good thanks.

I use Bow + DW and medium armor. Always have, always will. The difference between you and I is instead of stopping at seeing the reflect as a problem I invented a solution. Time your shots, slot Bombard, and use your head. There's no short cuts here. You learn to play or you don't, your choice.

Really? Your 'solution' is bombard? What if they have more than 100 health?

jelliedsoup · July 2014

Bash

Obscure wrote: »

DaedricCheese wrote: »

Obscure wrote: »

100% of resto staff attacks give no ***'s about reflect.

100% of PBAoE's give no ***'s about reflect.

100% of people who whine about reflect need to learn to play.

Against a crushing shock spamming player resto staffs are pretty much useless, as every heavy attack with it can be interrupted with a bash.

We can play what if all day, such as what if your using Unstoppable and a Crushing Shock is meaningless.

My point is about reflect, and how it's not nearly as effective as the OP is making it out to be with the 50% of all ranged attacks being reflected nonsense.

When I do most of my damage via snipe, poison arrows and basic attacks it's very effective.

dcincali · July 2014

*grabs popcorn* Is this another one of those nerf this skill thread? :cD

jelliedsoup · July 2014

dcincali wrote: »

*grabs popcorn* Is this another one of those nerf this skill thread? :cD

Nah buff ranged so they go through reflect. As an NB I get a faulty dark cloak to escape attackers. A dk gets reflect which reflects their damage onto the attacker. Hmmmm..dark cloak it is. Makes me laugh that ppl wanted to nerf this.

makkon · July 2014

was reported alot of time. just relax there is 2 opposite sides:
1-th who used it. they will tell you something like "l2p", "noob" etc
2-th who not used it. they are opening topics like this sometimes.

perfect balance if perfect

jelliedsoup · July 2014

I'm used to it. The band of vr 12s who play when I'm on have been running with this the past few weeks. Makes PvP pointless for me.

Obscure · July 2014

jelliedsoup wrote: »

Bash

Obscure wrote: »

DaedricCheese wrote: »

Obscure wrote: »

100% of resto staff attacks give no ***'s about reflect.

100% of PBAoE's give no ***'s about reflect.

100% of people who whine about reflect need to learn to play.

Against a crushing shock spamming player resto staffs are pretty much useless, as every heavy attack with it can be interrupted with a bash.

We can play what if all day, such as what if your using Unstoppable and a Crushing Shock is meaningless.

My point is about reflect, and how it's not nearly as effective as the OP is making it out to be with the 50% of all ranged attacks being reflected nonsense.

When I do most of my damage via snipe, poison arrows and basic attacks it's very effective.

You know what? Do whatever you please. You want to continue getting ripped apart by your own attacks? Keep on doing what your doing and ignore me. Clearly you've acheived the apex of skill and build design and there's nothing for me to add.

jelliedsoup · July 2014

Obscure wrote: »

jelliedsoup wrote: »

Bash

Obscure wrote: »

DaedricCheese wrote: »

Obscure wrote: »

100% of resto staff attacks give no ***'s about reflect.

100% of PBAoE's give no ***'s about reflect.

100% of people who whine about reflect need to learn to play.

Against a crushing shock spamming player resto staffs are pretty much useless, as every heavy attack with it can be interrupted with a bash.

We can play what if all day, such as what if your using Unstoppable and a Crushing Shock is meaningless.

My point is about reflect, and how it's not nearly as effective as the OP is making it out to be with the 50% of all ranged attacks being reflected nonsense.

When I do most of my damage via snipe, poison arrows and basic attacks it's very effective.

You know what? Do whatever you please. You want to continue getting ripped apart by your own attacks? Keep on doing what your doing and ignore me. Clearly you've acheived the apex of skill and build design and there's nothing for me to add.

Apart from bombard what have you offered?
The amount of skill in this game is minimal. It's about what skill you select. I'm serious tell me how bombard would help, beyond a limited snare and minor damage.

Obscure · July 2014

jelliedsoup wrote: »

Obscure wrote: »

jelliedsoup wrote: »

Bash

Obscure wrote: »

DaedricCheese wrote: »

Obscure wrote: »

100% of resto staff attacks give no ***'s about reflect.

100% of PBAoE's give no ***'s about reflect.

100% of people who whine about reflect need to learn to play.

Against a crushing shock spamming player resto staffs are pretty much useless, as every heavy attack with it can be interrupted with a bash.

We can play what if all day, such as what if your using Unstoppable and a Crushing Shock is meaningless.

My point is about reflect, and how it's not nearly as effective as the OP is making it out to be with the 50% of all ranged attacks being reflected nonsense.

When I do most of my damage via snipe, poison arrows and basic attacks it's very effective.

You know what? Do whatever you please. You want to continue getting ripped apart by your own attacks? Keep on doing what your doing and ignore me. Clearly you've acheived the apex of skill and build design and there's nothing for me to add.

Apart from bombard what have you offered?
The amount of skill in this game is minimal. It's about what skill you select. I'm serious tell me how bombard would help, beyond a limited snare and minor damage.

Obscure wrote: »

jelliedsoup wrote: »

By l2p you mean adorn a staff and light armour. I'm good thanks.

Time your shots, slot Bombard, and use your head. There's no short cuts here. You learn to play or you don't, your choice.

To reiterate:

Step 1: Time your shots. There's only a 4 second window Reflective Scales scales reflects.
Step 2: Bombard isn't for damage, it's a non-projectile conal AoE immobilize. If you can't see beyond damage numbers you've already lost.
Step 3: Use your head means what it implies: Think. The fight is a puzzle that you have to learn to solve.

jelliedsoup · July 2014

If you didn't convince me the first time, reiterating it won't work. Try beyond that. Everything is damage related in PvP, that's how it works. For example, I go into stealth to do increased damage, use piercing mark, heal to recoup damage etc.

BRogueNZ · July 2014

works well, why wouldn't you use it to counter 'over used' ranged spell spam'mage'?

jelliedsoup · July 2014

BRogueNZ wrote: »

works well, why wouldn't you use it to counter 'over used' ranged spell spam'mage'?

You wouldn't. All it does is remove the option to attack dks. Can't range, can't melee. The devs sure love dks.

Obscure · July 2014

jelliedsoup wrote: »

BRogueNZ wrote: »

works well, why wouldn't you use it to counter 'over used' ranged spell spam'mage'?

You wouldn't. All it does is remove the option to attack dks. Can't range, can't melee. The devs sure love dks.

You're factually incorrect. Players that have learned to play continue to effectively attack DK's while they have reflect up. I do it personally. Your inability to do so is a subjective experience correlating directly to your understanding, or better termed, lack of understanding, of how Reflective Scale functions.

Plenty of tools at your disposal that you're choosing not to use. A man who has both a screwdriver and hammer is fully within his rights to use the screwdriver to drive nails, but he is not within his rights to expect that to be effective. Wrong tool for that job.

You have a nail to drive? Use a hammer. You have a projectile reflecting DK to fight? Use non-projectiles. It's literally the same vein of common sense.

jelliedsoup · July 2014

Talons and standard with non-projectiles.

You need specifics, not generalities and analogies. There is a group ive fought against many many times and they spam reflect, talons and standard. They're all vr12 and primarily a combo of dks and sorcs.

bosmern_ESO · July 2014

Not if you use a bow

jelliedsoup · July 2014

Bows are reflected. Bombard apparently works not damage wise but snares them sufficiently to what you have to do, whatever that may be. E.g. hammering in a screwdriver etc.

bgoldbeck21_ESO · July 2014

All DKs can do to defend their class abilities that are considered very powerful which 9/10 of them all slot is say things like "l2play" or "why are you not using 'xy' gear set?" or "dodge more".

The problem is 99% of these DKs have ALL of these powerful abilities on their bar at their disposal. Each ability comes with a 'l2play' to counter it.

What happens is you have to start taking night classes to learn how to counter each skill individually and then to pass the exam you have to put it all together in the middle of the fight without making ANY mistakes. Making a mistake is game over.

Is it really fair every other class has to build themselves up in such a specific way in order to fight DKs because 9/10 build the exact same way?

I mean c'mon. How to counter 90% of NBs? Hold block. Class dismissed. You're welcome.

moxiesauce · July 2014

j.murro2ub17_ESO wrote: »

hmm, use the reflect skill and standard with talons - sounds like it is effective.
Thanks for the tip.

Don't forget chains grip for those pesky dodge rollers !!!

jelliedsoup · July 2014

bgoldbeck21_ESO wrote: »

All DKs can do to defend their class abilities that are considered very powerful which 9/10 of them all slot is say things like "l2play" or "why are you not using 'xy' gear set?" or "dodge more".

The problem is 99% of these DKs have ALL of these powerful abilities on their bar at their disposal. Each ability comes with a 'l2play' to counter it.

What happens is you have to start taking night classes to learn how to counter each skill individually and then to pass the exam you have to put it all together in the middle of the fight without making ANY mistakes. Making a mistake is game over.

Is it really fair every other class has to build themselves up in such a specific way in order to fight DKs because 9/10 build the exact same way?

I mean c'mon. How to counter 90% of NBs? Hold block. Class dismissed. You're welcome.

Sad but true. Ever other build should change their build to counter dks. What does that tell you about dks? Nothing, we should just learn to play.

Obscure · July 2014

jelliedsoup wrote: »

Talons and standard with non-projectiles.

You need specifics, not generalities and analogies. There is a group ive fought against many many times and they spam reflect, talons and standard. They're all vr12 and primarily a combo of dks and sorcs.

Obscure wrote: »

Plenty of skills at your disposal that you're choosing not to use. A player who has both a projectile and non projectile is fully within his rights to use the projectile to attack a reflecting DK, but he is not within his rights to expect that to be effective. Wrong skill for that job.

*snip since it was apparently to complex* . You have a projectile reflecting DK to fight? Use non-projectiles. It's literally the same vein of common sense.

I lack the ability to make it any simpler than that. If you still can't get it I may as well write the any other posts to you in ancient Sumerian Sanskrit.