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Suggestion - Inspect Player
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MercyKilling✭✭✭✭✭No thanks.I am not spending a single penny on the game until changes are made to the game that I want to see.
1) Remove having to be in a guild to sell items to other players at a kiosk.
2) Cosmetic modding for armor and clothing.
3) Difficulty slider.
4) Fully customizable player housing that isn't tied to anything in the game other than having the correct resources and enough gold to build. Don't tie it to PvP, guild membership, or anything at all. Oh, make it instanced so as not to take up world map space, too. Zeni screwed this one up already.
Any /one/ of these things implemented would get me spending again, maybe even subbing.2 -
Ninnghizhidda✭✭✭✭Being able to "inspect" a character, their gear, and possibly stats, skills and whatever else, can be a double-edged sword.
While in some ways it is useful for information purposes, it can indeed lead to "elitism" and discrimination. This is nothing new. Other games have it, and although not everyone is using the feature strictly to judge and "recruit", eventually it can lead to people being left out and unable to do content and participate in groups.
Also, the way ESO is so terribly biased at the moment, certain builds already have trouble, even without "inspection". I can already see how a "warrior" with their silly Stamina and weapon skills build, would never ever be a part of any group, save for friends and guildies, maybe.
If there would be actual balance in ESO, and not this totally wretched situation, maybe, your item level, choice of skills and game play, would not have such a great impact.
As it is, I would dare anyone that is looking to do some of the more "challenging" content, or even just instances, to honestly tell me what chances someone in "lowly" Green or Blue grade gear, or without the "proper" set, or with not good enough glyphs, etc etc, never mind the "wrong" build / skills, would have on actually ever finding a group.
Next to zero, because "mature community" or not (bs in my opinion) most "competent" players want to do stuff with the least effort in the least time with the least danger. Might be "logical", but this is how "elitism" is manifested and having the option to inspect people in a second would only make things worse further .
So... I guess, no, probably not a very good idea, until ESO manages to sort out the mess, clean its act, introduce "fair play" for everyone, at least by giving people choices, real ones, that would not make them arbitrary "useless". In a few words: anyone not a "Harry Potter" with an evening dress and a broomstick, or one in "disguise".2 -
rotiferuk✭✭✭Hello fellow players,
My suggesting is when you want to interact with a player you bring up a menu which has all the options (Add friend, Report player etc.)
Why not add another option "Inspect player" This would allow you to view what armour and weapons they have equipped, The player can decide whether they would like to share their armour and weapons by enabling it within the settings menu.
I think this would make the game a teeny tiny bit more interesting and also allow us to view their armour.
Many thanks,
Jordon
IMHO this is a silly idea. I would not be happy seeing it implemented unless I could toggle it off (prevent other players from inspecting my character) in user settings.
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cracker81✭✭✭Ninnghizhidda wrote: »Being able to "inspect" a character, their gear, and possibly stats, skills and whatever else, can be a double-edged sword.
While in some ways it is useful for information purposes, it can indeed lead to "elitism" and discrimination. This is nothing new. Other games have it, and although not everyone is using the feature strictly to judge and "recruit", eventually it can lead to people being left out and unable to do content and participate in groups.
Also, the way ESO is so terribly biased at the moment, certain builds already have trouble, even without "inspection". I can already see how a "warrior" with their silly Stamina and weapon skills build, would never ever be a part of any group, save for friends and guildies, maybe.
If there would be actual balance in ESO, and not this totally wretched situation, maybe, your item level, choice of skills and game play, would not have such a great impact.
As it is, I would dare anyone that is looking to do some of the more "challenging" content, or even just instances, to honestly tell me what chances someone in "lowly" Green or Blue grade gear, or without the "proper" set, or with not good enough glyphs, etc etc, never mind the "wrong" build / skills, would have on actually ever finding a group.
Next to zero, because "mature community" or not (bs in my opinion) most "competent" players want to do stuff with the least effort in the least time with the least danger. Might be "logical", but this is how "elitism" is manifested and having the option to inspect people in a second would only make things worse further .
So... I guess, no, probably not a very good idea, until ESO manages to sort out the mess, clean its act, introduce "fair play" for everyone, at least by giving people choices, real ones, that would not make them arbitrary "useless". In a few words: anyone not a "Harry Potter" with an evening dress and a broomstick, or one in "disguise".
What do you mean by stamina builds?
Do you mean everything in action bar is stamina?
Then you want ppl to take ppl to vet dungeons, when player has a horrible set up or white gear?
Then it seems to me that you are the person that has no enchantments, no food buff, no pots, no trait items, has a restro staff to try and do stamina attacks. Play how you like but I would not invite you to a group.Edited by cracker81 on July 28, 2014 6:09AM5 -
KhajitFurTrader✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭What do you mean by stamina builds?
Do you mean everything in action bar is stamina?
Then you want ppl to take ppl to vet dungeons, when player has a horrible set up or white gear?
Then it seems to me that you are the person that has no enchantments, no food buff, no pots, no trait items, has a restro staff to try and do stamina attacks. Play how you like but I would not invite you to a group.
Wonderful. This is the perfect reason why gear inspection should never be implemented. ^_^6 -
Ninnghizhidda✭✭✭✭What do you mean by stamina builds?
Do you mean everything in action bar is stamina?
Then you want ppl to take ppl to vet dungeons, when player has a horrible set up or white gear?
Then it seems to me that you are the person that has no enchantments, no food buff, no pots, no trait items, has a restro staff to try and do stamina attacks. Play how you like but I would not invite you to a group.
Nothing personal, but your way of thinking makes a perfect example of what I was saying.
Also, maybe it is not the "people" exactly, primarily it is the horrible design in ESO and all the shortcomings of the "devs" who managed to create some awesome mess and unbalance, while they had in their hands enough superb material for far better things (i.e. the Elder Scrolls series legacy).
And "Stamina attacks" doesn't actually mean trying to clobber some mob with a staff, how about trying to fight with a 2-hander or 1-h / shield, like a warrior, meaning using your freaking weapon, instead of pretending to be one, meaning only yielding the weapon while using magic.
Exactly. By trying to do what has been available in gaming for decades, you automatically put yourself at a disadvantage. Because this is ESO after all.
So, there you go. Before you even need an inspect option, a "warrior" is already branded "useless".5 -
Hypertionb14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭I know from experience that this can cause issues, There will be "elilte" groups that will not accept you because of your gear.
However there would be this even without them adding an "inspect" function. Those groups will always exist, and unless you bend over backwards to keep up with every new op trend will never accept you.
Adding the gear inspect option does not really make this any worse or better... people will E-peen stroke regardless since you can post your items in chat. when it comes to "elite groups", It would be the difference from having to prostrate yourself in order to impress or be rejected vs a mere glance via the inspect which reveals everything instantly.
Some of the examples here tho make no sense... decent gear drops like candy from a pinata. you can easily get a good dropped set just farming, and be up to date at least in that respect... Crafted gear is pretty easy to get too... its so easy to pick up a craft and just make your own that im surprised more people dont do so already.
and you would be surprised how many people who are in those Elite groups, tend to use the option to hide the details of their equipment.. Not all Elites are "snobbish E-peen strokers". Many prefer to be left alone.
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RedMiniStapler✭✭✭"LFM tanks and dps for flex 1, ilvl 560+ achievement must"
Like you want that in eso, having good gears doesn't mean a person is a good player, I think good skill is more important than good gears.3 -
cracker81✭✭✭Ninnghizhidda wrote: »What do you mean by stamina builds?
Do you mean everything in action bar is stamina?
Then you want ppl to take ppl to vet dungeons, when player has a horrible set up or white gear?
Then it seems to me that you are the person that has no enchantments, no food buff, no pots, no trait items, has a restro staff to try and do stamina attacks. Play how you like but I would not invite you to a group.
Nothing personal, but your way of thinking makes a perfect example of what I was saying.
Also, maybe it is not the "people" exactly, primarily it is the horrible design in ESO and all the shortcomings of the "devs" who managed to create some awesome mess and unbalance, while they had in their hands enough superb material for far better things (i.e. the Elder Scrolls series legacy).
And "Stamina attacks" doesn't actually mean trying to clobber some mob with a staff, how about trying to fight with a 2-hander or 1-h / shield, like a warrior, meaning using your freaking weapon, instead of pretending to be one, meaning only yielding the weapon while using magic.
Exactly. By trying to do what has been available in gaming for decades, you automatically put yourself at a disadvantage. Because this is ESO after all.
So, there you go. Before you even need an inspect option, a "warrior" is already branded "useless".
I do us a sword and shield. I am talking about players that actually used a restro staff to hit a boss, physically hit the boss. I understand gear does not make the player but if someone is using the gear wrong, it shows they have no idea how to play. One Time in a dungeon I had a player trying to heal with 2 wpns equipped and you know the sad part he was not the first. If you fall into this area you need to read on how to player your toon and gear. One guy whispered me saying I don't think he is healing. Of course not he has 2 daggers equipped. Then I am sure the ppl that do this ask for nerfs.... How do ppl die on molag bal? That is one of many reasons stated above. You hate when ppl say L2P, well they mean it.Edited by cracker81 on July 28, 2014 12:32PM0 -
Artemiisia✭✭✭✭✭
✭nerevarine1138 wrote: »Artemiisia wrote: »it is the group/raid leader responsibility to assure that its possible to complete and not wipe every time, so he/she of course will need to be able to demand some sort of level of gear to make sure everybody pulls their weight, and that the other 11 guys in the raid dont wipe because one is there to get the end game loot way to fast.
I have seen this going on in Age of Conan, where some people try to go tier 3-4 with tier 1 gear and they never make past first boss due to lack of dps/armor
Thats why pugs never make it, and right now many here only do AA first boss
This isn't a game where gear impacts performance that significantly. Unfortunately, most players are used to gear being the only thing that determines performance, instead of, you know, skill. Gear inspection just encourages that mindset.
of course it does, if I can see with your gear you only have like 500 mag to use spells for, you wont be able to pull your weight in heavy dungeons.
if I can see you only have 500 armor or spell residence I know healers wont be able to keep you alive
if you are a vampire in a heavy fire dungeon without flame residence again, healers not to blame if you die.
or stamina, if its so small you will run out of it the first 20 secs of holding block and die.
Gear matters a lot in the game, though I do agree SKILL of the player goes a long way for sure.1 -
Artemiisia✭✭✭✭✭
✭and I know this post will get lots of flame/troll or set off some people
If you wanna hide your gear, well then you are one of those people that want to take short cuts, and want others to do the work for you.
no other reason is there for hiding gear....
and again I really dont care if the feature comes or not, I have the guilds I play with and rarely do pugz4 -
fromtesonlineb16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
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LOL my privacy, it's a pixelated character in a video game, not you.KhajitFurTrader wrote: »Liquid_Time wrote: »I don't care if they add this or not, but if you don't want the function and are getting angry by simply the idea of it.. then please think of some better reasons other then "elitism".
I'd like to have and retain control about who can get my character's information. An anonymous inspection feature would violate my privacy.
You're welcome.
Edited by fromtesonlineb16_ESO on July 28, 2014 1:21PM2 -
fromtesonlineb16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
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Cool, ZOS can do what Square Enix do .. you get a message "xxx inspects you", there, anonymity gone, your excuse for disagreeing no longer applies.KhajitFurTrader wrote: »
An anonymous inspection feature would violate my privacy.Liquid_Time wrote: »I don't care if they add this or not, but if you don't want the function and are getting angry by simply the idea of it.. then please think of some better reasons other then "elitism".
Edited by fromtesonlineb16_ESO on July 28, 2014 1:36PM1 -
nerevarine1138✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Artemiisia wrote: »nerevarine1138 wrote: »Artemiisia wrote: »it is the group/raid leader responsibility to assure that its possible to complete and not wipe every time, so he/she of course will need to be able to demand some sort of level of gear to make sure everybody pulls their weight, and that the other 11 guys in the raid dont wipe because one is there to get the end game loot way to fast.
I have seen this going on in Age of Conan, where some people try to go tier 3-4 with tier 1 gear and they never make past first boss due to lack of dps/armor
Thats why pugs never make it, and right now many here only do AA first boss
This isn't a game where gear impacts performance that significantly. Unfortunately, most players are used to gear being the only thing that determines performance, instead of, you know, skill. Gear inspection just encourages that mindset.
of course it does, if I can see with your gear you only have like 500 mag to use spells for, you wont be able to pull your weight in heavy dungeons.
if I can see you only have 500 armor or spell residence I know healers wont be able to keep you alive
if you are a vampire in a heavy fire dungeon without flame residence again, healers not to blame if you die.
or stamina, if its so small you will run out of it the first 20 secs of holding block and die.
Gear matters a lot in the game, though I do agree SKILL of the player goes a long way for sure.
Gear inspection doesn't show you my attributes or overall character stats. So tell me again how you'd know whether I have enough magicka to be competitive (and let's just ignore the fact that there are viable builds that balance magicka and stamina in order to have uptime on all abilities).
Gear means jack-squat compared to skill. I have run Craglorn dungeons with more success in groups with VR1 players who know what they're doing than will well-geared VR12 players who don't. Stop trying to make this WoW. Gear is the last thing that affects a player's performance.----
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rotiferuk✭✭✭fromtesonlineb16_ESO wrote: »
It's MY pixelated character. Paid for by MY subscription and created in MY time.EU Server.4 -
rotiferuk✭✭✭Artemiisia wrote: »and I know this post will get lots of flame/troll or set off some people
If you wanna hide your gear, well then you are one of those people that want to take short cuts, and want others to do the work for you.
no other reason is there for hiding gear....
and again I really dont care if the feature comes or not, I have the guilds I play with and rarely do pugz
I would like to be open and honest in my response to you. Unfortunately, if I did this a moderator would remove my post -they really care about our delicate sensibilities. So I will just say........ NO.EU Server.4 -
Artemiisia✭✭✭✭✭
✭nerevarine1138 wrote: »Artemiisia wrote: »nerevarine1138 wrote: »Artemiisia wrote: »it is the group/raid leader responsibility to assure that its possible to complete and not wipe every time, so he/she of course will need to be able to demand some sort of level of gear to make sure everybody pulls their weight, and that the other 11 guys in the raid dont wipe because one is there to get the end game loot way to fast.
I have seen this going on in Age of Conan, where some people try to go tier 3-4 with tier 1 gear and they never make past first boss due to lack of dps/armor
Thats why pugs never make it, and right now many here only do AA first boss
This isn't a game where gear impacts performance that significantly. Unfortunately, most players are used to gear being the only thing that determines performance, instead of, you know, skill. Gear inspection just encourages that mindset.
of course it does, if I can see with your gear you only have like 500 mag to use spells for, you wont be able to pull your weight in heavy dungeons.
if I can see you only have 500 armor or spell residence I know healers wont be able to keep you alive
if you are a vampire in a heavy fire dungeon without flame residence again, healers not to blame if you die.
or stamina, if its so small you will run out of it the first 20 secs of holding block and die.
Gear matters a lot in the game, though I do agree SKILL of the player goes a long way for sure.
Gear inspection doesn't show you my attributes or overall character stats. So tell me again how you'd know whether I have enough magicka to be competitive (and let's just ignore the fact that there are viable builds that balance magicka and stamina in order to have uptime on all abilities).
Gear means jack-squat compared to skill. I have run Craglorn dungeons with more success in groups with VR1 players who know what they're doing than will well-geared VR12 players who don't. Stop trying to make this WoW. Gear is the last thing that affects a player's performance.
of course I can, if I can see you have 1900hp and you doing trails, there is something seriously wrong with your gear/attributes
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MornaBaine✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Implementing this is actually the main reason I quit WoW back in the day. No thank you. It is not at all necessary nor does it add anything to gameplay.PAWS (Positively Against Wrip-off Stuff) - Say No to Crown Crates!1 -
Horrum✭✭✭martinhpb16_ESO wrote: »It will also add to the social aspects of the game etc. Inspecting guildies etc.
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Artemiisia✭✭✭✭✭
✭One thing I came across yesterday in-game, was that someone suddenly whisper to me, what my out fit was, and where to find it.
So I can see the social aspect of not being able to see other peoples gear, you will have to interact with them.
Back to story, 15 mins after we were still talking and having fun, so I can see a upside from not being able to see others gear.
and in the end, if you in a trail run, and wont show gear, well then its a clear sign you think you aint geared yet anyways, so you will actually say more by not showing if asked
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Aenra✭✭✭✭no
no inspect, no parser addons ^^
i could explain further, but i have yet to receive a mod warning and would like to keep it so.Pride, honour and purity1 -
Artemiisia✭✭✭✭✭
✭I have yet seen a single good comment for not being able to inspect, the one with the elitist will kick me, aint a valid reason, not even close, if thats the reason you dont even belong in that group in the first place.
As I said I dont care if its there or not, I just havent seen any people that are against it, coming here and really convince the others in the game, why it shouldn't be there.
other that like Aenra, Im gonna get banned if I say my opinion kinda comments....
I would luv instead to hear, one single good reason why it shouldn't be there?
and I mean one single good reason, not a 10 hour rant2 -
Tabbycat✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Most players don't want inspect because it creates a negative atmosphere. All you need to do is look at WoW to get your answer.Founder and Co-GM of The Psijic Order Guild (NA)
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Artemiisia✭✭✭✭✭
✭I haven't played WoW, only Age of Conan/the secret world, and in age of conan we can see gear, and it seems like there aint any negative atmosphere there, maybe its more an adult audience player AoC, then WoW and that makes the difference0 -
Tabbycat✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Artemiisia wrote: »I haven't played WoW, only Age of Conan/the secret world, and in age of conan we can see gear, and it seems like there aint any negative atmosphere there, maybe its more an adult audience player AoC, then WoW and that makes the difference
In WoW it was common to see players kicked from lowbie dungeon groups because others in a group thought they weren't geared correctly. Lowbie dungeons... seriously. In WoW I played as a healer and saw tanks and dps get kicked for stupid reasons. They didn't pull too many mobs, the group wasn't getting killed, but because they weren't all dressed in greens or blues or whatever, they got kicked. And usually the group was worse off afterwards.
It's that kind of behavior that leaves a bad taste in players mouths. And it's that kind of thing that we don't want to see in ESO. If ZOS themselves want to gate content based on the equipment that we have, that's fine. But other players shouldn't have the ability to do so because they will abuse it.
Raiders don't need to inspect others. They should be part of their own raiding guild that has put their members through an application and interview process. If they need to pug,they are likely going to try members of other raiding guilds first or friends who are experienced before even attempting to pug it with others.
Players who are forming pugs only ask for inspect in order to make sure that they can easily be carried by the others in the group or because they want an easy group run. The only reason to inspect is to PUG.
If you like what someone has on you can ask them. If you admire how good they are at the game, inspect won't tell you why. You need to actually talk to them in order to get tips on how to improve your own gameplay. Two players can wear the exact same thing and one will still be better than the other. This isn't WoW. Gear won't carry you all the way to victory in this game.Edited by Tabbycat on August 1, 2014 12:31PMFounder and Co-GM of The Psijic Order Guild (NA)
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Artemiisia✭✭✭✭✭
✭thx TabbyCat, that the first real good written post of why not to have the inspect gear in the game post I have seen, and that I can relate to.
Kicking people from lowbie dungeons, sucks, most can be done naken anyways....and you right about trails, im only doing them within my two trail guilds, where we know each other. I dont dare to do pugz for the reason you listed already
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Kingdinguhling✭✭✭KhajitFurTrader wrote: »There are 3 reasons why inspecting people could be implemented :
- 1°) For looks : what is this look ? where is it from ?
- 2°) For gear check : does he have purple gear ? green ?
- 3°) Curiosity : this guy is using this set and this weapon. Why ? it seems interesting. Why shouldn't I use it ?
All 3 reasons are valid.
Very true and also for people who think the grouping feature is already broken this could help in some ways. atm people do what they want and shout for groups because the freedom of the grouping function is broken. this could create a little more drive to obtain certain gear and choosing a "party filling role" (DPS Heal Tank Support) at higher lvls.
Also you don't have to enable it for low lvls 1-49
This game needs some sort of check whether its player based or item lvl based. I'm not really for the item lvl thing because that's too much like the main stream but a pretty basic UI in any MMO is being able to inspect other players to gather ideas. This would be a sort of soft check for higher lvls.
Truthfully I wasn't too worried about purple or gold gear until I got to VR1so honestly my lack knowledge of gear is shameful (what is best for which class and situation). some of what helps with this is being able to examine other players. It allows you to also put a look to the item and stats.
Knowledge of the loot and seeing it in action gives a certain urgency to want to go back and obtain it.
Now yes this would probably lead to some cookie cutter classes but right now lack of knowledge of other builds and gear sets makes this game really tough for some.
Yea you'll have certain elitest groups who will try to inspect players for there group but I know for any dungeon below 49 I never really cared what my own gear was let alone others. only reason I would have been examining others was to get ideas for my own knowledge of how to build my character.
this game is so mysterious and I think it would really help with these tough veteran dungeons and give people a reason to ask "hey where did you get that" and go back and repeat a dungeon to obtain it. Which could highlight or reinforce one of the best things of this game ...... THE DUNGEONS!!!!Edited by Kingdinguhling on January 31, 2015 9:59AM1 -
kongkim✭✭✭✭✭No thanks.. it will only allow people in rainds to look at your gear and kick people they dont agree with in item build.1