DanteVFenris wrote: »

Nox_Aeterna wrote: »

R1ckyDaMan wrote: »

They need to tie spellcrafting to the mages guild imo, the higher your rank in the mages guild the better the spells you can craft etc.

and to the op anything that takes us further away from a pigeon hole class system the better.

You know , i always found funny how people talk like it is a major feat to get to the max lvl of the mages guild.

With that lorebook addon , it is quite simple , you know where are all the books , it only takes you a little effort to go gather them , even more if you do this while you lvl.

Some people don't use addons, I'd go as far as saying that's cheating and ruining your experience. I have searched for every one I've found with no help, and a lot of other I bet do the same. Don't treat an addon as if it's part of the game

It is irrelevant if it is part of the game or not.

It is a tool you can use if you are having trouble to find the books and that makes the task trivial.

My point is quite simple , to anyone that wants it to be , the task is really really easy, even if some will want to do it hard mode.

PS: i dont really it is cheating or running my experience , before i had the addon i just checked on google for the skyshards and books , it took more time if anything.

Raash wrote: »

DeLindsay wrote: »

Shunravi wrote: »

I think it more along the lines of; for such up close and personal combat, we are still burning through our defensive stat in order to do damage.

This is why many of us have made comments and even started threads aksing ZoS to remove Defensive moves from Stamina and make a new stat called Endurance to tie all Defensive abilities to like Roll Dodge, Block, Break Free, Sprint, etc.

Good explaining there, I could not agree more with you. I do have a feeling that once z-max add this feature (since it would be one of the most logical steps to take), its gonna be an outrage for stepping away from Elder Scroll core mechanics since in the SP games block etc been tied to stamina.
I hope people can be big enough to understand that in this MMO they have group content that is of competative art and that without a balancing on this stamina users wont have the same shot of being able to compete with rest of the playerbase for spots in the raids.

I was very much in favor of adding a new resource "endurance", I even started threads for it. After seeing what the new champion system is bringing to the game I feel it will be a solution to the problem w/o adding endurance. So ZoS can stay true to TES.

fromtesonlineb16_ESO wrote: »

Logan9a wrote: »

fromtesonlineb16_ESO wrote: »

Shaun98ca2 wrote: »

RequiemofMastema wrote: »

kewl wrote: »

I hope raising thralls is part of the conjuration craft line!

Same, I want a necromancer type character.

You know I WOUDLNT be surprised if they did add necromancy to learnable skills with a Necro pet to summon. This HAS been requested a LOT on the forums they would be dumb to over look. With the Dark Brotherhood and Thieves Guild being added to the game I would like to see some Necromancy.

It would also be HUGELY lore-breaking considering the point in time this game is taking place.

Curious, how so? (Lore-breaking)

At the point in the TES historical time-line ESO is set, Necromancy was rarely practiced and very largely condemned. It was usually a secretive affair, for example I think it is mentioned in the game Veran got Mannimarco expelled from a guild due to some of his practices.

So, hundreds of PCs running about a zone as Necromancers would fly in the face of Tamriel at the time this game is taking place.

It'd be similar to vampires in this game, in that in the lore they're supposed to be sneaky villains of society that go to great lengths to hide their true form, yet every 6th person you meet is a blood-starved vampire that's whiter than porcelain.

I actually think it might be a good thing for classes to become obsolete. Like others have said before, it was meant as a template and nothing more. I don't think this will happen anytime soon, or should at least. I think ZOS should add many more skill lines and abilities (which I think they will over time) but I don't think the spell crafting system alone will make class skills obsolete. I still use 3 of my class skills, and don't think that will change just because of spell crafting. I do see myself going away from class skills after many more skills and skill lines are added, both magicka and stamina based. At that point, ZOS stays true to the ES theme of play how you want, and their goal of making the classes just a template becomes just that.

I do see the concern of class passives, and everyone eventually just going with whatever class has the "best" passives, but I still don't think this will happen much, as each class has very specific passives that help you make your character into a unique person. If you are going for crit, you may want to look into picking a class with a lot of crit bonuses, while others may be looking for passives that offer something else. I don't think a few new skill lines are going to make everyone choose the same class or make them an irrelevant part of character development.

Though I don't think ZOS will make the class skills obsolete with the new spells from spell crafting. I think one of the examples here was invisibility from the illusion school of magic. I play a nightblade, so this would be a concern for me, but I think ZOS will balance the new spell to be weaker than or somehow different than shadow cloak, or change things and add effects to shadow cloak to stand out more than the new illusion spells.

It seems that most of the concern here is that these new abilities will be poorly balanced, creating a ultimate build that is better than all others. If I were any of you, I wouldn't make the "ultimate build" if there is one, because ZOS can and probably will nerf some of your critical abilities that make that build better than all the others.

None of that is to say that it will be perfect when they launch the system, but like everything else it will evolve over time to be more in line with every other ability in the game. Do I think this will make stamina builds more useless than they already are? yep, I sure do.

I hope it's a glorious mess

I know there will be balance issues. I expect them -- that's fine. If they allow me to create a variety of different spells and have truly customized skill bar, I'll be in build-tinker heaven.

I hope ZOS has the courage to go big on this. Don't stick your toes in the water. Dive in head first.

I wouldn't expect classes to be removed but for the most part all a class will be is a starting point. Easy access to abilities in the game so you can start playing from the word go as spellcrafting is going to be NOT easy to acquire a large assortment of spells PLUS there will be different qualities of the same spells.

Anastasia wrote: »

Malpherian wrote: »

DanteVFenris wrote: »

My biggest fear is what will happen to staves and mages guild. They seem totally useless compared to what this system is offering. While I'm all for this spell crafting it's going to be awsome. What's going to stop from everyone playing these abilities? Why should I be a night blade if I can get a list of illusion spells.

So it's a double edged sword, it frees up the classes but also might make classes not as valuable. Though there are some class abilities that will stand out. I'm mostly worried about the mages guild.

I also I want to hear what they have to make stamina abilities just as badass. They need a version for stamina builds. Like "disciple training" or something where you seek out masters in certain arms.

Though again on a side note I do think it's for the best.

Like I said, this is TES game, classes are not supposed to have "Value". They are simply something to give you a nudge in the direction you want to develop your character in, with some starting abilities, Nothing else.

Character development is a personal thing, and rather then most games where you pick a class and play that class and playing that class is "the game" and never goes beyond such.

With a TES game it's the opposite, the game is about "YOU" and "YOUR" journey to develop your character into whoever, or whatever you want them to be, pretty much without limit or restriction.

Hence the reason many TES fans refused to buy the game when it released with restricted clases, as we classified it as "just another wow clone". Now, once this has been implemented it wil become something far more, and greater then WoW could ever be.

And hey, maybe the TES fans will come back.

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>>>***"With a TES game it's the opposite, the game is about "YOU" and "YOUR" journey to develop your character into whoever, or whatever you want them to be, pretty much without limit or restriction."

Except, this is an MMORPG in a future ES setting with a modicum of ES-familiar features and easter eggs. This is NOT the next release in the ES franchise, remember?

Yes it is. According to Matt Frior.

Classes will always give you their unique 3 skill lines. That's really all they ever did.

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

fromtesonlineb16_ESO wrote: »

At the point in the TES historical time-line ESO is set, Necromancy was rarely practiced and very largely condemned. It was usually a secretive affair, for example I think it is mentioned in the game Veran got Mannimarco expelled from a guild due to some of his practices.

So, hundreds of PCs running about a zone as Necromancers would fly in the face of Tamriel at the time this game is taking place.

There's tons of NPCs in tons of areas that summon/raise zombies or skeletons to fight for them. Necromancy is already in the game, just not available for the player.

Also the trailer to the game features a guy that is quite clearly a Necromancer with an undead army in toe.

Remember the lore is what ZOS Bethesda make it to be. Whatever they write/insert into the game becomes lore.

So with that in mind, Necromancy would not be out of place at all, I feel.

Actually, I'm pretty sure that Necromantic army is being headed up by Mannimarco or one of his generals. Arguing that the main enemy of the game uses it, isn't a good point for your argument. With that being said I personally don't care if other players pick up this skill line, I do think it should have a stigma associated with it, however, both within the Mages Guild and on the city streets. Don't be summoning zombies and skeletons in town. About the only people who would be semi comfortable with this are the Dunmer of Morrowind, and they have particular rules and guidelines for it (relating to ancestry).

That aside, I think spellcrafting both for stamina and magicka based skills would be great. I think its unfortunate that such a large amount of fire spells are out there, and a sliver of Lightning (Sorc), and no Ice. This makes FIre the clear winner for any kind of personal resistance against a large number of classes. Particularly when Fire has the most imposing damage. If there were proper Ice spells out there that drained stamina like they did in Skyrim, I think we'd see it getting used more... but as it is that would just be on a stave with a few choices, and hardly the same as having a class built around it like Fire has (two classes use fire. DK and Templar).

From the point of view of Fun I also think this is good. Our characters START the game as Templars, DK's, etc. We become 'the hero' from the perspective of the story. Growing beyond your initial limitations and styles is a big part of TES games. I'm all for this. I'd also like to see them find a way to use this to make Combat skills more interesting, and maybe allow us to learn weapon combinations (tap tap hold type mechanics) which might offer certain status effects or boost damage on following attacks, etc.

fromtesonlineb16_ESO wrote: »

Logan9a wrote: »

fromtesonlineb16_ESO wrote: »

Shaun98ca2 wrote: »

RequiemofMastema wrote: »

kewl wrote: »

I hope raising thralls is part of the conjuration craft line!

Same, I want a necromancer type character.

You know I WOUDLNT be surprised if they did add necromancy to learnable skills with a Necro pet to summon. This HAS been requested a LOT on the forums they would be dumb to over look. With the Dark Brotherhood and Thieves Guild being added to the game I would like to see some Necromancy.

It would also be HUGELY lore-breaking considering the point in time this game is taking place.

Curious, how so? (Lore-breaking)

At the point in the TES historical time-line ESO is set, Necromancy was rarely practiced and very largely condemned. It was usually a secretive affair, for example I think it is mentioned in the game Veran got Mannimarco expelled from a guild due to some of his practices.

So, hundreds of PCs running about a zone as Necromancers would fly in the face of Tamriel at the time this game is taking place.

this is why I think necromancy should be introduced as a guild after the justice system comes out. If you practice necromancy you should be barred from entering cities and maybe have a small coven area where you would do your town stuff.

The inconvenience would be very immersive and really make you feel like a necromancer while simultaneously keeping the numbers down.

I also think the justice system should make it where if someone enters town as a stage four vampire they should be attacked or at the very least they should refuse to buy or trade with you.